Hi Kerry, Yes, the baby was only a few hours old so daddy buried it. I guess it happened quite often in those days. Maybe the grave was never marked? Or maybe it was well away from the house. One of the Myrtleford burials my gg-grandfather didn't organise! Cheers, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [HC] More Spare Deaths > I spent a lot of my childhood playing on that farm, my grandparents lived next door, never seen graves there. > > K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] More Spare Deaths > > > Wendy - Pini is of interest but please don't send the whole thing - why do > you suspect the baby was born on farm? Does the D/C indicate something? > regards > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:15 PM > Subject: [HC] More Spare Deaths > > > > Here are a few more death registrations. Again I am including my > > gg-grandparents in case any other descendants are hiding out there. > > I'm having great fun - and hope you are too! > > Wendy > > > > DEATHS - BEECHWORTH and WOORAGEE 1887 (MCW) > > > > Antoinette Frances LA POUPLE ? (Born Wooragee, Vic) > > Father: William LA POUPLE > > Mother: Margaret Rose Ann BARRON ? not sure > > > > George CHAPMAN (Born England) > > Father: George CHAPMAN > > Mother: Anne HOLMES > > > > Marous ? STEIN (Born Hungary) > > Father: Joseph STEIN > > Mother: Not Known > > > > George MORAN (Born London, England) > > Father: John MORAN > > Mother: Elizabeth HANSHAW > > > > Margaret WOOD (Born Lanark, Scotland) > > Father: Thomas Robertson > > Mother: Jane Gold > > > > DEATHS - MYRTLEFORD and MUDGEGONGA 1888 (JW) > > > > William James GRANT (Born Myrtleford) > > Father: Charles GRANT > > Mother: Mary GREEN > > > > Douglas Norman CULPH (Born Myrtleford) > > Father: Robert CULPH > > Mother: Ann KENNEDY > > > > Nicholas TONER (Born Mudgegonga) * baby buried on farm I suspect > > Father: Denis TONER > > Mother: Mary PINI > > > > Charles MARONEY (Born Myrtleford) > > Father: Patrick James MARONEY > > Mother: Agnes McALPINE > > > > John WOOD (Born Co Monohan, Ireland) > > Father: John WOOD > > Mother: Incorrect on registration > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005 > >

I spent a lot of my childhood playing on that farm, my grandparents lived next door, never seen graves there. K ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [HC] More Spare Deaths Wendy - Pini is of interest but please don't send the whole thing - why do you suspect the baby was born on farm? Does the D/C indicate something? regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [HC] More Spare Deaths > Here are a few more death registrations. Again I am including my > gg-grandparents in case any other descendants are hiding out there. > I'm having great fun - and hope you are too! > Wendy > > DEATHS - BEECHWORTH and WOORAGEE 1887 (MCW) > > Antoinette Frances LA POUPLE ? (Born Wooragee, Vic) > Father: William LA POUPLE > Mother: Margaret Rose Ann BARRON ? not sure > > George CHAPMAN (Born England) > Father: George CHAPMAN > Mother: Anne HOLMES > > Marous ? STEIN (Born Hungary) > Father: Joseph STEIN > Mother: Not Known > > George MORAN (Born London, England) > Father: John MORAN > Mother: Elizabeth HANSHAW > > Margaret WOOD (Born Lanark, Scotland) > Father: Thomas Robertson > Mother: Jane Gold > > DEATHS - MYRTLEFORD and MUDGEGONGA 1888 (JW) > > William James GRANT (Born Myrtleford) > Father: Charles GRANT > Mother: Mary GREEN > > Douglas Norman CULPH (Born Myrtleford) > Father: Robert CULPH > Mother: Ann KENNEDY > > Nicholas TONER (Born Mudgegonga) * baby buried on farm I suspect > Father: Denis TONER > Mother: Mary PINI > > Charles MARONEY (Born Myrtleford) > Father: Patrick James MARONEY > Mother: Agnes McALPINE > > John WOOD (Born Co Monohan, Ireland) > Father: John WOOD > Mother: Incorrect on registration -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005

Hi Denise Many thanks for the transcript, which is greatly appreciated. Still don't know of a connection to him (darn...missed out of the juicy goss again...), however will certainly keep on file just in case!! Kind Regards Roz roz@voullaire.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [HC] OMA 31.8.1867 - O'BRIEN > Roz hi > Denis O'Brien was found dead by the road on Wedn 28th August. > well known in the neighbourhood as a stonebreaker but lately been fencing > on Kilferra station which job he had only just been paid off. > He had been drinking on Tues in the township and last seen considerably > under the influence > Inquest held - manslaughter against the two men in whose company deceased > left town. > > Inquest tells of Denis --- > Denis known by James Gaffney for 7 years. worked 5 weeks on fence on > Kilfeera. > Left station yesterday with Thomas Armstrong an Thomas Leary - all went to > Liverpool arms > Denis - Irish about 28 years of age, > No other information on the deceased Roz. > > > >> Hi Denise >> >> I don't know if he connects, however I would be most appreciative of a >> transcript of Denis O'BRIEN's death (in the OMA dated 31.8.1867) when >> your time permits. >> >>

And even at Black Springs a certain coach company was known to leave the road before the toll, go bush bashing (very comfortable ride ensured for passengers) and come out past the toll and continue on. HQ > Hi Anne, > Being an old Beechworth identity, you will recall "White Post" Rd, > going off the B'Worth to Wang Rd, at Everton (left coming from B'worth) > That is where Battley town was situated,Hotel on th B'worth side on the > corner, racecourse behind hotel. Originally set up as "Toll gate" town. > But being very astute "gentlemen" the miners and others swung away either > side of the toll house, so it was later removed to Black Springs. > Cheers Ray. >

Wendy - Pini is of interest but please don't send the whole thing - why do you suspect the baby was born on farm? Does the D/C indicate something? regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [HC] More Spare Deaths > Here are a few more death registrations. Again I am including my > gg-grandparents in case any other descendants are hiding out there. > I'm having great fun - and hope you are too! > Wendy > > DEATHS - BEECHWORTH and WOORAGEE 1887 (MCW) > > Antoinette Frances LA POUPLE ? (Born Wooragee, Vic) > Father: William LA POUPLE > Mother: Margaret Rose Ann BARRON ? not sure > > George CHAPMAN (Born England) > Father: George CHAPMAN > Mother: Anne HOLMES > > Marous ? STEIN (Born Hungary) > Father: Joseph STEIN > Mother: Not Known > > George MORAN (Born London, England) > Father: John MORAN > Mother: Elizabeth HANSHAW > > Margaret WOOD (Born Lanark, Scotland) > Father: Thomas Robertson > Mother: Jane Gold > > DEATHS - MYRTLEFORD and MUDGEGONGA 1888 (JW) > > William James GRANT (Born Myrtleford) > Father: Charles GRANT > Mother: Mary GREEN > > Douglas Norman CULPH (Born Myrtleford) > Father: Robert CULPH > Mother: Ann KENNEDY > > Nicholas TONER (Born Mudgegonga) * baby buried on farm I suspect > Father: Denis TONER > Mother: Mary PINI > > Charles MARONEY (Born Myrtleford) > Father: Patrick James MARONEY > Mother: Agnes McALPINE > > John WOOD (Born Co Monohan, Ireland) > Father: John WOOD > Mother: Incorrect on registration

Here are a few more death registrations. Again I am including my gg-grandparents in case any other descendants are hiding out there. I'm having great fun - and hope you are too! Wendy DEATHS - BEECHWORTH and WOORAGEE 1887 (MCW) Antoinette Frances LA POUPLE ? (Born Wooragee, Vic) Father: William LA POUPLE Mother: Margaret Rose Ann BARRON ? not sure George CHAPMAN (Born England) Father: George CHAPMAN Mother: Anne HOLMES Marous ? STEIN (Born Hungary) Father: Joseph STEIN Mother: Not Known George MORAN (Born London, England) Father: John MORAN Mother: Elizabeth HANSHAW Margaret WOOD (Born Lanark, Scotland) Father: Thomas Robertson Mother: Jane Gold DEATHS - MYRTLEFORD and MUDGEGONGA 1888 (JW) William James GRANT (Born Myrtleford) Father: Charles GRANT Mother: Mary GREEN Douglas Norman CULPH (Born Myrtleford) Father: Robert CULPH Mother: Ann KENNEDY Nicholas TONER (Born Mudgegonga) * baby buried on farm I suspect Father: Denis TONER Mother: Mary PINI Charles MARONEY (Born Myrtleford) Father: Patrick James MARONEY Mother: Agnes McALPINE John WOOD (Born Co Monohan, Ireland) Father: John WOOD Mother: Incorrect on registration

Roz hi Denis O'Brien was found dead by the road on Wedn 28th August. well known in the neighbourhood as a stonebreaker but lately been fencing on Kilferra station which job he had only just been paid off. He had been drinking on Tues in the township and last seen considerably under the influence Inquest held - manslaughter against the two men in whose company deceased left town. Inquest tells of Denis --- Denis known by James Gaffney for 7 years. worked 5 weeks on fence on Kilfeera. Left station yesterday with Thomas Armstrong an Thomas Leary - all went to Liverpool arms Denis - Irish about 28 years of age, No other information on the deceased Roz. > Hi Denise > > I don't know if he connects, however I would be most appreciative of a > transcript of Denis O'BRIEN's death (in the OMA dated 31.8.1867) when your > time permits. > >

Ho! Ho! Ho! It seems a Margaret CASEY married a Francis MARTELL in Prahran in 1880 (see below). Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: CASEY Given Names: Margaret Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: MARTELL Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Francis Age: Sex: F Birth Place: PRAHRAN Death Place: Year: 1880 Reg Number: 2937 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Margaret MARTELL according to the Wil Wil Rook Cemetery Index died aged 46 in 1905 and was a Presbyterian. Was our Francis MARTELL a Presbyterian. Cheers Anne

Hi Anne, Being an old Beechworth identity, you will recall "White Post" Rd, going off the B'Worth to Wang Rd, at Everton (left coming from B'worth) That is where Battley town was situated,Hotel on th B'worth side on the corner, racecourse behind hotel. Originally set up as "Toll gate" town. But being very astute "gentlemen" the miners and others swung away either side of the toll house, so it was later removed to Black Springs. Cheers Ray. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 5:52 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: FW: [HC] Battley Hi All, Am cleaning up my e-mails - arduous task and came across the one below. As a so called Beechworth 'local' I'm wondering where this Battley Town was because I've never heard of it. So I'd be grateful if someone could enlighten me. Oh by the way if any of you ever read that the Beechworth Courthouse was made of sandstone - you have my permission to go poo hoo because it was made of local honey coloured granite which I think came from Fiddes Quarry. The only reason I bring this up is because last night I read in a book written by a local Beechworth author that the courthouse was made of sandstone - I nearly fell out of my wheelchair in surprise. Cheers Anne -----Original Message----- From: Denise [mailto:denisem@powerup.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2005 10:22 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Battley Ray Mr. Robert Battley of Battley town via Beechworth died on 4.2..1863 d

Hi Denise, I knew Evans Bros had Hurdle Creek for a short time, but was led to believe that they purchased from Daniel Evans,(a cousin), with David Evans Divesting of his share (50%)of the flour mill, Murphy Street Wangaratta, as part of the payment. Wm. Clarke and David Evans built the mill. The price of L5000.00.00, would be quite reasonable as the property was of 15000 acres, therefore 6 shillings & 8 pence per acre. I have spoken to John and David Evans (not the one that bought the property) since you put in this snippet and enquiry, and both believed that E.Bros. had bought from Daniel Evans, so they are both very thankful for your information. Cheers Ray. -----Original Message----- From: Denise [mailto:denisem@powerup.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2005 10:58 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Hurdle Creek Station I know there are a few on the list including myself who are interested for one reason or another, --- OMA 23.4.1867 Hurdle Ck Oxley Plains owned by Walter Burton sold to Evans Bros of Whitfield Station. £5000 I would be interested to know if this property was worth this money in 1884-1890 timeframe when members of the Crawford family were on it. D

Sitting at the computer - just want a very quiet day today pp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [HC] What is this? > PP I'm delighted at your response > and so quickly too! > > So Henley wanted someone who could do both jobs! > > Pay rise if you aren't careful. > > d > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Dean" <Deans@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [HC] What is this? > > > > Boss > > a Rubbler was a person who sorted the small stones in the quarries > > a Waller was a person who built walls with bricks or dry stone. > > So my guess - he made walls out of stone, or rubble as you said > > pp > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:30 PM > > Subject: [HC] What is this? > > > > > >> Seeing the question was solved as to what a pentice was - how about > >> this - > >> > >> Wanted a good RUBBLE WALLER > >> > >> Is this a wall maker using rubble? > >> > >> d > >> > >> > > > >

Hi Denise Thank you again. I tremble at the thought that there could possibly be two of him !! One RATH family was quite enough for Beechworth to put up with at a time. Regards Irene R Rees/Dowsett Family Page http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44 -------Original Message------- From: Denise Date: 01/01/06 11:28:36 To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] 31.8.1867 OMA Pat Rath in Beechworth Police court for illegally detaining a heifer. It appears Pat was summonsed to appear, turned up, and it was found that he was the wrong man. A narrow escape no doubt and a quick retreat I bet from Police Court but not before he made the house laugh. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/05

Boss a Rubbler was a person who sorted the small stones in the quarries a Waller was a person who built walls with bricks or dry stone. So my guess - he made walls out of stone, or rubble as you said pp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: [HC] What is this? > Seeing the question was solved as to what a pentice was - how about this - > > Wanted a good RUBBLE WALLER > > Is this a wall maker using rubble? > > d > >

PP I'm delighted at your response and so quickly too! So Henley wanted someone who could do both jobs! Pay rise if you aren't careful. d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Dean" <Deans@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [HC] What is this? > Boss > a Rubbler was a person who sorted the small stones in the quarries > a Waller was a person who built walls with bricks or dry stone. > So my guess - he made walls out of stone, or rubble as you said > pp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:30 PM > Subject: [HC] What is this? > > >> Seeing the question was solved as to what a pentice was - how about >> this - >> >> Wanted a good RUBBLE WALLER >> >> Is this a wall maker using rubble? >> >> d >> >> >

Seeing the question was solved as to what a pentice was - how about this - Wanted a good RUBBLE WALLER Is this a wall maker using rubble? d

Where would anyone be without the ever efficient pp Martell, Francis Place - Broadmeadows State - Victoria Date - 1 Aug 1921 Event - Death Source - Cemetery Transcript Unspecified Reference - C7/11/3 P57 Held by - Society of Australian Genealogists 120 Kent Street Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Baptism Martell Now that there is a date it would be worth checking the newspapers around that date pp > He's not in Altona Cemetery either I checked that. > Denise > > > > Bryan. > > > > I spent some time yesterday afternoon trying to find a birth registration > > for Francis Martell b. 1859 using the Victorian BDM cds that I have and > > was > > spectacularly unsuccessful. After I found his death 1921, Essendon, - I > > did > > do a search on the Fawkner Memorial Park, Springvale and St. Kilda > > Cemeteries and came up with zilch. It might be worth putting a message on > > either the Vic Rootsweb or Melbourne Rootsweb mailing list and asking what > > cemetery someone might be buried in if they died in Essendon. If you could > > find where he is buried and what section he is buried in, e.g., Church of > > England, that will help you in relation to locating his baptism. > > > > Another thought is - could his birth have been registered in his mother's > > name, that is Trimble. > > > > Cheers > > > > Anne > > > >

Pat Rath in Beechworth Police court for illegally detaining a heifer. It appears Pat was summonsed to appear, turned up, and it was found that he was the wrong man. A narrow escape no doubt and a quick retreat I bet from Police Court but not before he made the house laugh.

Anne According to El Dorado Gold, Francis Jr is buried at Will Will Rook Cemetery, Broadmeadows. Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2006 8:56 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HC] Baptism Martell Bryan. I spent some time yesterday afternoon trying to find a birth registration for Francis Martell b. 1859 using the Victorian BDM cds that I have and was spectacularly unsuccessful. After I found his death 1921, Essendon, - I did do a search on the Fawkner Memorial Park, Springvale and St. Kilda Cemeteries and came up with zilch. It might be worth putting a message on either the Vic Rootsweb or Melbourne Rootsweb mailing list and asking what cemetery someone might be buried in if they died in Essendon. If you could find where he is buried and what section he is buried in, e.g., Church of England, that will help you in relation to locating his baptism. Another thought is - could his birth have been registered in his mother's name, that is Trimble. Cheers Anne -----Original Message----- From: Hotmail [mailto:fataussie214@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 6:05 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Baptism Martell Hi Anne Yes these are from Francis Martell's marriage to Agnes Cahoon. We are trying to find a record of his illegitimate son Francis Martell's birth in 1859 to Anne Trimble. Cheers Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Baptism Martell > Bryan: > > I presume you've seen all these entries but in case you haven't: > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: MARTELL Given Names: Lewis Cahoon Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Francis Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Agnes CAHOON Age:

Denis O'Brien found dead in Benalla If anyone connects - please quote above date - I'll be happy to transcribe the article for you. Sorry - This offer is not open to searches through the archives. d

Hi Denise I don't know if he connects, however I would be most appreciative of a transcript of Denis O'BRIEN's death (in the OMA dated 31.8.1867) when your time permits. Many Thanks Roz roz@voullaire.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: [HC] OMA 31.8.1867 > Denis O'Brien found dead in Benalla > If anyone connects - please quote above date - I'll be happy to transcribe > the article for you. > > Sorry - This offer is not open to searches through the archives. > d >