I for one, use the free download from the LDS. I am happy with it. Other have the free download from legacy. It's your personal tastes. Maybe another lister's could lead you to the legacy downloads. But for the download I have, just go to the laterday saints web page, and follow the links. Happy new year. Peggy & Max Swan Hill researching, ABBOTT,BELL,BIDDISCOMBE,BLOXHAM,FELLOWS,MOORE, GIDDENS,PHIPPS,ROWLSTONE,BLOXHAM, Australia, & England

Gruber sounds German to me. They use a letter called a gauss I think, that looks rather like a Greek beta or a scrawly B that is often substituted by s or ss. Have you tried this alternate spelling? Not to mention, perhaps the u had an accent over it in German and was changed to another vowel in English. Just a thought Dawn -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 1:54 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HC] Sands Directory - technical chat Denise, GRUBER does not appear in 1861 Sands, Kenny directory Melbourne 1861 - doesn't appear in Melbourne Commercial & Squatters Directory 1854. Sorry Anne -----Original Message----- From: jnnyb@aol.com [mailto:jnnyb@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 12:36 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] Sands Directory - technical chat Hi Denise, Just tried my own Sands and realised it doesn't work with Windows XP. Seems it needs Netscape 4.5 but this old version of Netscape looks like it isn't compatible with XP. Has anyone come up with an answer to this one? Or can direct a techno peasant in simple language? Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:39:57 +1000 Subject: [HC] Sands or other Directory Melbourne during the 1853-1857 Hoping someone has access to a Directory at home for the name GRUBER in Melbourne My own Sands is 'dead' Thanks Denise -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005

Better late than never, here are my great grandmothers, two from NE Vic. Jane Christina JENNER born: 03 Jan 1878; Barraba, NSW died:01 Jun 1945; Wangaratta, NSW marr: 23 Oct 1895; Barraba, NSW ' Wm. Jas. WYE' (lived most of her married life in Stanley, Vic) Elizabeth Theresa DALEY born: 18 Jan 1865; One Mile, (Beechworth) Vic died: 20 Mar 1930; Beechworth, Vic marr:29 Sep 1896; Beechworth, Vic 'Jas. Henderson GUTHRIE' Jane FARRELL born: 01 Feb 1835; Shanagolden, Ireland died: 30 Apr 1899; Deloraine, Tas. marr: 11 Feb 1869; Launceston, Tas 'Terence McMAHON' Susanna Martha EDWARDS born: 28 Mar 1864; Kingston, Tas died: 12 Dec 1922; Latrobe, Tas marr: 1949, Latrobe, Tas 'Thomas William HARKNESS' It has been very interesting learning about list members interests through their great grandmothers. Denise (NSW)

Please could everyone keep an eye open for the name HINCH in the North West - during the 1860's mainly. I'd just love to find something. My gg-grandmother was a HINCH and married Abraham MILNE, however, it is her father in whom I am very interested at the moment. Thanks, Wendy

Thanks Jenny for the information, it's been helpful regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: <jnnyb@aol.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [HC] 7th White > Hi denise, > > I believe at White Hills all the hills were numbered. I remember > something about this on the Goldfields list not so long ago. > > Jenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:56:22 +1000 > Subject: [HC] 7th White > > this is a place name on Pioneers - I can't locate under Gazetteer of > Vic does > anyone have any ideas? The year was 1858 > Checking on the Cd further some are entered as 7th White HL - all > births. > > Thanks > Denise > > >

Thanks Peter. It's good to hear that the location of the store is known. Will look out for that map. Cheers Simon

Please can anyone out there advise me on the best way to file family history documentation? At the moment I have stuff everywhere and the way I was doing it before doesn't work any more as the collection grows larger. Thanks, Wendy

this is a place name on Pioneers - I can't locate under Gazetteer of Vic does anyone have any ideas? The year was 1858 Checking on the Cd further some are entered as 7th White HL - all births. Thanks Denise

Yes Denise it is Kaye Pattersons For the full story try this link then click on cached as the site is not on line. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Warrawinga&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU K ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Warrawinga Come to think of it, this is a Canadian in the same area as other Canadians we have in our research. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Warrawinga > Hi Denise found a reference to Warrawinga its rather long- Kerry > > Edward William was the first known child of James PATTERSON and Charlotte > RACE. He was born in New Brunswick in 1824. He was living with his family > in Douglas, York County in 1850, and was listed on the census as age 26. > On the 22nd October 1851, he married Martha GLENDENNING / GLENDINNING - > "m. 22nd Oct., by Elder George Garraty, Edward W. PATTERSON, Douglas (York > Co.) / Miss Martha GLENDENNING, Burton parish (Sunbury Co.)." (New > Brunswick Reporter, 7 November 1851) Martha died 15 months later, probably > as a result of giving birth to her first child, James William, who was > born on the 22nd January 1853. > On the 25th December 1855, Edward married again, to Phoebe Jane STAPLES. > They were both recorded as being from Douglas. (Anglican Church Records, > Reel C-8, Provincial Archives NB) Edward was schoolmaster at Douglas. > In the New Brunswick census of 1861, Edward and Phoebe are listed as > living in Douglas Parish, York County. Edward was described as aged 38, > native, a farmer and religion as Methodist. Phoebe was listed as Phebia J, > aged 23, religion as Free Baptist. They had had three children by this > stage - James from Edward's first marriage, Martha Jane, and Henry Newton. > One child, Charlotte Cecelia, who was born on the 22nd April 1857 at > Douglas, had died by the time of the census. Also listed in their family > group was Pheobe's father, Henry STAPLES, aged 63. > Edward, Phoebe, James, Martha, Henry, and the newest addition to the > family, Hulda Matilda, left New Brunswick for England, where they boarded > the Royal Standard on the 24th November 1864 and sailed for Victoria, > Australia. With them were Edward's sister Margaret, who had married George > PATTERSON, Margaret's three children, and George's brother John PATTERSON. > They arrived in Melbourne on the 19th February 1865, and then journeyed to > the north-east of Victoria to Wangaratta. They perhaps met up with > Margaret's husband George. There is no confirmed shipping record for > George's arrival in Victoria, but there is a record for a George PATTERSON > as a labourer, Murphy St. Wangaratta in the 1865 Butler & Brooke Ovens > District Directory, and as a labourer of Templeton St. Wangaratta in 1866 > . > According to the Government Gazette of the 5th September 1865, "Edward W > PATTERSON, resident of Laceby, selected 82 acres in Warrawinga." On the > 17th November the Gazette reported "Lease executed and available for > collection at Wangaratta Land Office: Edward W PATTERSON, 82 acres. 1 > rood, 24 perches in the Agricultural District of Warrawinga, Parish of > Laceby." It is not known what happened to this selection. > In 1868, Edward and Phoebe had their first Australian born child, Albert. > His birth was registered at Wangaratta. > Edward is said to have taught school at Greta from 1871 to 1876-77. > [Myrrhee School Centenary and Pioneer Families Reunion, 1885 - 1985] "A > few years after the first settlers arrived [in the Greta area], they > sought a way whereby they could have their growing families educated. Mr > Alexander McKENZIE consented to the use of a building on his property as a > school. Mr [Edward] Wm PATTERSON was engaged and conducted the school for > some years. The building was also used as a Methodist meeting house. After > a short period the people decided to build a church, and a brick building > was erected (1878). It was then used as a school room. About this time the > Government decided to casrry out a state system of education. A State > school was built near the Methodist Church, and the first teaacher > appointed by the department was Mr R C B McDONALD. Mr Wm PATTERSON was > then engaged by the parents of South Hanson who erected a school-room from > the bush timber at hand. Mr PATTERSON continued as ! > teacher until the Education Dept built a school and appointed Mr BROOKES > as teacher." [Ellis, 1972. A History of Greta] > At Greta on the 20th February 1876, 7-8 years after the birth of Albert, > Phoebe gave birth to another child, Edward William. Edward's occupation > was recorded as Schoolmaster, his birth place as New Brunswick, British > America, and his age as 52 years. > In about 1880, Edward's eldest son James left his Myrrhee selection to go > to New Zealand. Edward and his next eldest son, Henry Newton, took over > the hard work of improving this selection and meeting the requirements of > the lease. They were expecting James to return in about six months after > he had earned enough money to buy a horse team and pay for improvements. > James did send some money, but the last they ever heard from him was just > before the wreck of the SS Tararua off the coast of New Zealand in April > 1881. Edward believed his son may have perished in the shipwreck. He wrote > the following letter to the Lands Department:- > "Whitfield September 1st 1881. Sir, In answer to your letter of the 26th > inst., I have the Honor to inform you that about 12 months since James W > PATTERSON received a letter from a friend in New Zealand informing him > that business was very prosperous there. Being anxious to raise a few > pounds to buy a team he went there leaving me his father and Henry N > PATTERSON his brother in occupation of the ground until his return which > he expected to do in about six months. He sent us some money to help us in > improving the ground. The last letter was received from him was a short > time previous to the wreck of the Tarawra stating that he would be home in > a short time and that he would be in a position to pay up the arrears and > apply for his lease. Since the wreck of that vessel we have not heard from > him. We are residing on the ground and with the assistance of the money he > sent are improving the ground. We have now about 12 or 14 acres of grubbed > and cleared, about 4 acres was grubbed ! > and cleared before he left. We have built a house 18 ft by 27 ft have made > a garden and set out a number of fruit trees. The ground is about one > fourth fenced. If we do not hear from him in a short time will you be kind > enough to inform us what will be the proper course for us to pursue. It > would utterly ruin us if the ground is forfeited after we have done so > much hard labour on it. I have the Honor to be Sir, Your most obedient > Servant Edward W PATTERSON." [VPRS 626: Consignment P0000: Unit 616: File > No. 17544/19.20] > Even though Edward had communicated this with the Lands Department, James > was called before a Local Land Board to show cause. On the 22nd March 1882 > a Local Land Board held in Wangaratta , recommended that License be > cancelled for non compliance with conditions and land be reopened for > selection. > On the 12th May 1882 Henry Newton PATTERSON applied for the License of > James's forfeited selection, plus additional land running down to the > Boggy Creek, a total of 129 acres. This was granted, so at least all > Edward and Henry's hard work was not wasted. > Edward and Phoebe must have continued living with Henry. During the 1901 > bushfires, the following account of Henry's losses was reported in the > Wangaratta Chronicle: "His father and mother who live in a small house on > the property, are now also thrown upon him, for their little home went in > the flames, and the father, Mr G [sic] PATTERSON, is a cripple. Mr > PATTERSON, sen., met with an accident some months ago by which his leg was > broken, and as he has since had to have the limb in splints, he had to be > carried to his son's house in this helpless condition on Thursday > afternoon." [Wangaratta Chronicle, February 13, 1901] > Edward William PATTERSON died at Myrrhee on the 13th January 1902 at the > age of 77. [Registration No. 2934] An inquiry held into his death found > that he died from Diarrhorra or English Cholera. He was buried at the > Greta Cemetery on the 14th January in the Primitive Methodist section, > Grave No. A111. The celebrant was James Roulstone CURRIE. Edward's > residence was recorded as Boggy Creek, and his occupation as Farmer. > [Greta Cemetery Register] > "IN MEMORIAM. PATTERSON - In loving memory of our dear father, Edward > William PATTERSON, who died at Myrrhee on January 13th, 1902; aged > 77years. Call not back the dear departed, Anchored safe where storms are > o'er; On the borderland we left him, Soon to meet and part no more. Far > bejond this world of changes, Far beyond this world of care, We shall find > our missing loved one, In our Father's mansion fair. - Inserted by his > sorrowing wife and family." [Wangaratta Chronicle, Wednesday, January > 14,1903] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:32 AM > Subject: [HC] Warrawinga > > > Does anyone know where this was in 1867? > Northeast somewhere > > And I have done a Geoscience online check and it says O > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: > 29/12/2005 > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005

Hi Kerry and Denise, Firstly I assume you are talking about the Sands & Kenny Directory for 1857 - 1861. If so, try the following:- If the CD is autorunning , browse the contents. Otherwise use Windows Explorer or similar to browse the contents of the CD. Double-click on the HTML folder and then double-click on the file, Index.html. This should start the program for you. If you use the program often, or think you may forget these steps, don't double-click on Index.html. Instead, high-light it and right-click. Select "Send to Desktop - Make Shortcut", then close the open programs. On the desktop, right-click on "Shortcut to Index.html", select "Rename" and overtype "Shortcut to Index.html" with "Sands & Kenny 1857 - 1861". Now any time you want to use the directory, put the CD in the same drive and double-click on this icon. Cheers, Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: <jnnyb@aol.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Sands Directory - technical chat > Hi Denise, > > Just tried my own Sands and realised it doesn't work with Windows XP. > Seems it needs Netscape 4.5 but this old version of Netscape looks like it > isn't compatible with XP. > Has anyone come up with an answer to this one? Or can direct a techno > peasant in simple language? > > Jenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:39:57 +1000 > Subject: [HC] Sands or other Directory Melbourne during the 1853-1857 > > Hoping someone has access to a Directory at home for the name GRUBER in > Melbourne > My own Sands is 'dead' > > Thanks > Denise > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 > >

Denise, GRUBER does not appear in 1861 Sands, Kenny directory Melbourne 1861 - doesn't appear in Melbourne Commercial & Squatters Directory 1854. Sorry Anne -----Original Message----- From: jnnyb@aol.com [mailto:jnnyb@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 12:36 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] Sands Directory - technical chat Hi Denise, Just tried my own Sands and realised it doesn't work with Windows XP. Seems it needs Netscape 4.5 but this old version of Netscape looks like it isn't compatible with XP. Has anyone come up with an answer to this one? Or can direct a techno peasant in simple language? Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:39:57 +1000 Subject: [HC] Sands or other Directory Melbourne during the 1853-1857 Hoping someone has access to a Directory at home for the name GRUBER in Melbourne My own Sands is 'dead' Thanks Denise

Hi Kerry, Nothing to do with the original topic, but this little snippet about James Roulstone CURRIE has helped me answer a couple of questions! Thanks for posting the info. Ronda . He was buried at the Greta Cemetery on the 14th January in the Primitive Methodist section, Grave No. A111. The celebrant was James Roulstone CURRIE.

aw, this sounds hard. (G) I'll let you know later.................meanwhile since posting my query, our son has visited and I've changed my ADSL account yet again! New modems, new this, new that, new phone numbers. Brain is dead. I will shortly use the phone thru the modem, my desk will be full of phones - My husband just shakes his head. I"M NOT READY!! Thanks Paul as usual you're quick to help D > > Firstly I assume you are talking about the Sands & Kenny Directory for > 1857 - 1861. If so, try the following:- > > If the CD is autorunning , browse the contents. Otherwise use Windows > Explorer or similar to browse the contents of the CD. Double-click on the > HTML folder and then double-click on the file, Index.html. This should > start the program for you. > > If you use the program often, or think you may forget these steps, don't > double-click on Index.html. Instead, high-light it and right-click. > Select "Send to Desktop - Make Shortcut", then close the open programs. > > On the desktop, right-click on "Shortcut to Index.html", select "Rename" > and overtype "Shortcut to Index.html" with "Sands & Kenny 1857 - 1861". > Now any time you want to use the directory, put the CD in the same drive > and double-click on this icon. > > Cheers, > > Paul W

OK, thanks Anne He was in B/worth in 1861 I've all that info he arrived in 53, family arrived some 9 months earlier, so wondering what they were doing in Melbourne probably as that is where some of them 'married' D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Sands Directory - technical chat > Denise, > > GRUBER does not appear in 1861 Sands, Kenny directory Melbourne 1861 - > doesn't appear in Melbourne Commercial & Squatters Directory 1854. > > Sorry > > Anne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jnnyb@aol.com [mailto:jnnyb@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 12:36 PM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HC] Sands Directory - technical chat > > > Hi Denise, > > Just tried my own Sands and realised it doesn't work with Windows XP. > Seems it needs Netscape 4.5 but this old version of Netscape looks like > it isn't compatible with XP. > Has anyone come up with an answer to this one? Or can direct a techno > peasant in simple language? > > Jenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:39:57 +1000 > Subject: [HC] Sands or other Directory Melbourne during the 1853-1857 > > Hoping someone has access to a Directory at home for the name GRUBER > in > Melbourne > My own Sands is 'dead' > > Thanks > Denise > > > >

Come to think of it, this is a Canadian in the same area as other Canadians we have in our research. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Warrawinga > Hi Denise found a reference to Warrawinga its rather long- Kerry > > Edward William was the first known child of James PATTERSON and Charlotte > RACE. He was born in New Brunswick in 1824. He was living with his family > in Douglas, York County in 1850, and was listed on the census as age 26. > On the 22nd October 1851, he married Martha GLENDENNING / GLENDINNING - > "m. 22nd Oct., by Elder George Garraty, Edward W. PATTERSON, Douglas (York > Co.) / Miss Martha GLENDENNING, Burton parish (Sunbury Co.)." (New > Brunswick Reporter, 7 November 1851) Martha died 15 months later, probably > as a result of giving birth to her first child, James William, who was > born on the 22nd January 1853. > On the 25th December 1855, Edward married again, to Phoebe Jane STAPLES. > They were both recorded as being from Douglas. (Anglican Church Records, > Reel C-8, Provincial Archives NB) Edward was schoolmaster at Douglas. > In the New Brunswick census of 1861, Edward and Phoebe are listed as > living in Douglas Parish, York County. Edward was described as aged 38, > native, a farmer and religion as Methodist. Phoebe was listed as Phebia J, > aged 23, religion as Free Baptist. They had had three children by this > stage - James from Edward's first marriage, Martha Jane, and Henry Newton. > One child, Charlotte Cecelia, who was born on the 22nd April 1857 at > Douglas, had died by the time of the census. Also listed in their family > group was Pheobe's father, Henry STAPLES, aged 63. > Edward, Phoebe, James, Martha, Henry, and the newest addition to the > family, Hulda Matilda, left New Brunswick for England, where they boarded > the Royal Standard on the 24th November 1864 and sailed for Victoria, > Australia. With them were Edward's sister Margaret, who had married George > PATTERSON, Margaret's three children, and George's brother John PATTERSON. > They arrived in Melbourne on the 19th February 1865, and then journeyed to > the north-east of Victoria to Wangaratta. They perhaps met up with > Margaret's husband George. There is no confirmed shipping record for > George's arrival in Victoria, but there is a record for a George PATTERSON > as a labourer, Murphy St. Wangaratta in the 1865 Butler & Brooke Ovens > District Directory, and as a labourer of Templeton St. Wangaratta in 1866 > . > According to the Government Gazette of the 5th September 1865, "Edward W > PATTERSON, resident of Laceby, selected 82 acres in Warrawinga." On the > 17th November the Gazette reported "Lease executed and available for > collection at Wangaratta Land Office: Edward W PATTERSON, 82 acres. 1 > rood, 24 perches in the Agricultural District of Warrawinga, Parish of > Laceby." It is not known what happened to this selection. > In 1868, Edward and Phoebe had their first Australian born child, Albert. > His birth was registered at Wangaratta. > Edward is said to have taught school at Greta from 1871 to 1876-77. > [Myrrhee School Centenary and Pioneer Families Reunion, 1885 - 1985] "A > few years after the first settlers arrived [in the Greta area], they > sought a way whereby they could have their growing families educated. Mr > Alexander McKENZIE consented to the use of a building on his property as a > school. Mr [Edward] Wm PATTERSON was engaged and conducted the school for > some years. The building was also used as a Methodist meeting house. After > a short period the people decided to build a church, and a brick building > was erected (1878). It was then used as a school room. About this time the > Government decided to casrry out a state system of education. A State > school was built near the Methodist Church, and the first teaacher > appointed by the department was Mr R C B McDONALD. Mr Wm PATTERSON was > then engaged by the parents of South Hanson who erected a school-room from > the bush timber at hand. Mr PATTERSON continued as ! > teacher until the Education Dept built a school and appointed Mr BROOKES > as teacher." [Ellis, 1972. A History of Greta] > At Greta on the 20th February 1876, 7-8 years after the birth of Albert, > Phoebe gave birth to another child, Edward William. Edward's occupation > was recorded as Schoolmaster, his birth place as New Brunswick, British > America, and his age as 52 years. > In about 1880, Edward's eldest son James left his Myrrhee selection to go > to New Zealand. Edward and his next eldest son, Henry Newton, took over > the hard work of improving this selection and meeting the requirements of > the lease. They were expecting James to return in about six months after > he had earned enough money to buy a horse team and pay for improvements. > James did send some money, but the last they ever heard from him was just > before the wreck of the SS Tararua off the coast of New Zealand in April > 1881. Edward believed his son may have perished in the shipwreck. He wrote > the following letter to the Lands Department:- > "Whitfield September 1st 1881. Sir, In answer to your letter of the 26th > inst., I have the Honor to inform you that about 12 months since James W > PATTERSON received a letter from a friend in New Zealand informing him > that business was very prosperous there. Being anxious to raise a few > pounds to buy a team he went there leaving me his father and Henry N > PATTERSON his brother in occupation of the ground until his return which > he expected to do in about six months. He sent us some money to help us in > improving the ground. The last letter was received from him was a short > time previous to the wreck of the Tarawra stating that he would be home in > a short time and that he would be in a position to pay up the arrears and > apply for his lease. Since the wreck of that vessel we have not heard from > him. We are residing on the ground and with the assistance of the money he > sent are improving the ground. We have now about 12 or 14 acres of grubbed > and cleared, about 4 acres was grubbed ! > and cleared before he left. We have built a house 18 ft by 27 ft have made > a garden and set out a number of fruit trees. The ground is about one > fourth fenced. If we do not hear from him in a short time will you be kind > enough to inform us what will be the proper course for us to pursue. It > would utterly ruin us if the ground is forfeited after we have done so > much hard labour on it. I have the Honor to be Sir, Your most obedient > Servant Edward W PATTERSON." [VPRS 626: Consignment P0000: Unit 616: File > No. 17544/19.20] > Even though Edward had communicated this with the Lands Department, James > was called before a Local Land Board to show cause. On the 22nd March 1882 > a Local Land Board held in Wangaratta , recommended that License be > cancelled for non compliance with conditions and land be reopened for > selection. > On the 12th May 1882 Henry Newton PATTERSON applied for the License of > James's forfeited selection, plus additional land running down to the > Boggy Creek, a total of 129 acres. This was granted, so at least all > Edward and Henry's hard work was not wasted. > Edward and Phoebe must have continued living with Henry. During the 1901 > bushfires, the following account of Henry's losses was reported in the > Wangaratta Chronicle: "His father and mother who live in a small house on > the property, are now also thrown upon him, for their little home went in > the flames, and the father, Mr G [sic] PATTERSON, is a cripple. Mr > PATTERSON, sen., met with an accident some months ago by which his leg was > broken, and as he has since had to have the limb in splints, he had to be > carried to his son's house in this helpless condition on Thursday > afternoon." [Wangaratta Chronicle, February 13, 1901] > Edward William PATTERSON died at Myrrhee on the 13th January 1902 at the > age of 77. [Registration No. 2934] An inquiry held into his death found > that he died from Diarrhorra or English Cholera. He was buried at the > Greta Cemetery on the 14th January in the Primitive Methodist section, > Grave No. A111. The celebrant was James Roulstone CURRIE. Edward's > residence was recorded as Boggy Creek, and his occupation as Farmer. > [Greta Cemetery Register] > "IN MEMORIAM. PATTERSON - In loving memory of our dear father, Edward > William PATTERSON, who died at Myrrhee on January 13th, 1902; aged > 77years. Call not back the dear departed, Anchored safe where storms are > o'er; On the borderland we left him, Soon to meet and part no more. Far > bejond this world of changes, Far beyond this world of care, We shall find > our missing loved one, In our Father's mansion fair. - Inserted by his > sorrowing wife and family." [Wangaratta Chronicle, Wednesday, January > 14,1903] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:32 AM > Subject: [HC] Warrawinga > > > Does anyone know where this was in 1867? > Northeast somewhere > > And I have done a Geoscience online check and it says O > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: > 29/12/2005 >

This is Kaye's ?? Thanks Kerry, being down Laceby way fits the family perfectly. Thanks Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Warrawinga > Hi Denise found a reference to Warrawinga its rather long- Kerry > > Edward William was the first known child of James PATTERSON and Charlotte > RACE. He was born in New Brunswick in 1824. He was living with his family > in Douglas, York County in 1850, and was listed on the census as age 26. > On the 22nd October 1851, he married Martha GLENDENNING / GLENDINNING - > "m. 22nd Oct., by Elder George Garraty, Edward W. PATTERSON, Douglas (York > Co.) / Miss Martha GLENDENNING, Burton parish (Sunbury Co.)." (New > Brunswick Reporter, 7 November 1851) Martha died 15 months later, probably > as a result of giving birth to her first child, James William, who was > born on the 22nd January 1853. > On the 25th December 1855, Edward married again, to Phoebe Jane STAPLES. > They were both recorded as being from Douglas. (Anglican Church Records, > Reel C-8, Provincial Archives NB) Edward was schoolmaster at Douglas. > In the New Brunswick census of 1861, Edward and Phoebe are listed as > living in Douglas Parish, York County. Edward was described as aged 38, > native, a farmer and religion as Methodist. Phoebe was listed as Phebia J, > aged 23, religion as Free Baptist. They had had three children by this > stage - James from Edward's first marriage, Martha Jane, and Henry Newton. > One child, Charlotte Cecelia, who was born on the 22nd April 1857 at > Douglas, had died by the time of the census. Also listed in their family > group was Pheobe's father, Henry STAPLES, aged 63. > Edward, Phoebe, James, Martha, Henry, and the newest addition to the > family, Hulda Matilda, left New Brunswick for England, where they boarded > the Royal Standard on the 24th November 1864 and sailed for Victoria, > Australia. With them were Edward's sister Margaret, who had married George > PATTERSON, Margaret's three children, and George's brother John PATTERSON. > They arrived in Melbourne on the 19th February 1865, and then journeyed to > the north-east of Victoria to Wangaratta. They perhaps met up with > Margaret's husband George. There is no confirmed shipping record for > George's arrival in Victoria, but there is a record for a George PATTERSON > as a labourer, Murphy St. Wangaratta in the 1865 Butler & Brooke Ovens > District Directory, and as a labourer of Templeton St. Wangaratta in 1866 > . > According to the Government Gazette of the 5th September 1865, "Edward W > PATTERSON, resident of Laceby, selected 82 acres in Warrawinga." On the > 17th November the Gazette reported "Lease executed and available for > collection at Wangaratta Land Office: Edward W PATTERSON, 82 acres. 1 > rood, 24 perches in the Agricultural District of Warrawinga, Parish of > Laceby." It is not known what happened to this selection. > In 1868, Edward and Phoebe had their first Australian born child, Albert. > His birth was registered at Wangaratta. > Edward is said to have taught school at Greta from 1871 to 1876-77. > [Myrrhee School Centenary and Pioneer Families Reunion, 1885 - 1985] "A > few years after the first settlers arrived [in the Greta area], they > sought a way whereby they could have their growing families educated. Mr > Alexander McKENZIE consented to the use of a building on his property as a > school. Mr [Edward] Wm PATTERSON was engaged and conducted the school for > some years. The building was also used as a Methodist meeting house. After > a short period the people decided to build a church, and a brick building > was erected (1878). It was then used as a school room. About this time the > Government decided to casrry out a state system of education. A State > school was built near the Methodist Church, and the first teaacher > appointed by the department was Mr R C B McDONALD. Mr Wm PATTERSON was > then engaged by the parents of South Hanson who erected a school-room from > the bush timber at hand. Mr PATTERSON continued as ! > teacher until the Education Dept built a school and appointed Mr BROOKES > as teacher." [Ellis, 1972. A History of Greta] > At Greta on the 20th February 1876, 7-8 years after the birth of Albert, > Phoebe gave birth to another child, Edward William. Edward's occupation > was recorded as Schoolmaster, his birth place as New Brunswick, British > America, and his age as 52 years. > In about 1880, Edward's eldest son James left his Myrrhee selection to go > to New Zealand. Edward and his next eldest son, Henry Newton, took over > the hard work of improving this selection and meeting the requirements of > the lease. They were expecting James to return in about six months after > he had earned enough money to buy a horse team and pay for improvements. > James did send some money, but the last they ever heard from him was just > before the wreck of the SS Tararua off the coast of New Zealand in April > 1881. Edward believed his son may have perished in the shipwreck. He wrote > the following letter to the Lands Department:- > "Whitfield September 1st 1881. Sir, In answer to your letter of the 26th > inst., I have the Honor to inform you that about 12 months since James W > PATTERSON received a letter from a friend in New Zealand informing him > that business was very prosperous there. Being anxious to raise a few > pounds to buy a team he went there leaving me his father and Henry N > PATTERSON his brother in occupation of the ground until his return which > he expected to do in about six months. He sent us some money to help us in > improving the ground. The last letter was received from him was a short > time previous to the wreck of the Tarawra stating that he would be home in > a short time and that he would be in a position to pay up the arrears and > apply for his lease. Since the wreck of that vessel we have not heard from > him. We are residing on the ground and with the assistance of the money he > sent are improving the ground. We have now about 12 or 14 acres of grubbed > and cleared, about 4 acres was grubbed ! > and cleared before he left. We have built a house 18 ft by 27 ft have made > a garden and set out a number of fruit trees. The ground is about one > fourth fenced. If we do not hear from him in a short time will you be kind > enough to inform us what will be the proper course for us to pursue. It > would utterly ruin us if the ground is forfeited after we have done so > much hard labour on it. I have the Honor to be Sir, Your most obedient > Servant Edward W PATTERSON." [VPRS 626: Consignment P0000: Unit 616: File > No. 17544/19.20] > Even though Edward had communicated this with the Lands Department, James > was called before a Local Land Board to show cause. On the 22nd March 1882 > a Local Land Board held in Wangaratta , recommended that License be > cancelled for non compliance with conditions and land be reopened for > selection. > On the 12th May 1882 Henry Newton PATTERSON applied for the License of > James's forfeited selection, plus additional land running down to the > Boggy Creek, a total of 129 acres. This was granted, so at least all > Edward and Henry's hard work was not wasted. > Edward and Phoebe must have continued living with Henry. During the 1901 > bushfires, the following account of Henry's losses was reported in the > Wangaratta Chronicle: "His father and mother who live in a small house on > the property, are now also thrown upon him, for their little home went in > the flames, and the father, Mr G [sic] PATTERSON, is a cripple. Mr > PATTERSON, sen., met with an accident some months ago by which his leg was > broken, and as he has since had to have the limb in splints, he had to be > carried to his son's house in this helpless condition on Thursday > afternoon." [Wangaratta Chronicle, February 13, 1901] > Edward William PATTERSON died at Myrrhee on the 13th January 1902 at the > age of 77. [Registration No. 2934] An inquiry held into his death found > that he died from Diarrhorra or English Cholera. He was buried at the > Greta Cemetery on the 14th January in the Primitive Methodist section, > Grave No. A111. The celebrant was James Roulstone CURRIE. Edward's > residence was recorded as Boggy Creek, and his occupation as Farmer. > [Greta Cemetery Register] > "IN MEMORIAM. PATTERSON - In loving memory of our dear father, Edward > William PATTERSON, who died at Myrrhee on January 13th, 1902; aged > 77years. Call not back the dear departed, Anchored safe where storms are > o'er; On the borderland we left him, Soon to meet and part no more. Far > bejond this world of changes, Far beyond this world of care, We shall find > our missing loved one, In our Father's mansion fair. - Inserted by his > sorrowing wife and family." [Wangaratta Chronicle, Wednesday, January > 14,1903] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:32 AM > Subject: [HC] Warrawinga > > > Does anyone know where this was in 1867? > Northeast somewhere > > And I have done a Geoscience online check and it says O > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: > 29/12/2005 >

Hi Wendy, Yes please, the Elizabeth Tucker is my gggaunt. Many thanks. Ronda > Father: William LOMDALE (Born Lancashire, England) > > Mother: Elizabeth TUCKER (Born Kyneton, Vic) >

Hi Denise found a reference to Warrawinga its rather long- Kerry Edward William was the first known child of James PATTERSON and Charlotte RACE. He was born in New Brunswick in 1824. He was living with his family in Douglas, York County in 1850, and was listed on the census as age 26. On the 22nd October 1851, he married Martha GLENDENNING / GLENDINNING - "m. 22nd Oct., by Elder George Garraty, Edward W. PATTERSON, Douglas (York Co.) / Miss Martha GLENDENNING, Burton parish (Sunbury Co.)." (New Brunswick Reporter, 7 November 1851) Martha died 15 months later, probably as a result of giving birth to her first child, James William, who was born on the 22nd January 1853. On the 25th December 1855, Edward married again, to Phoebe Jane STAPLES. They were both recorded as being from Douglas. (Anglican Church Records, Reel C-8, Provincial Archives NB) Edward was schoolmaster at Douglas. In the New Brunswick census of 1861, Edward and Phoebe are listed as living in Douglas Parish, York County. Edward was described as aged 38, native, a farmer and religion as Methodist. Phoebe was listed as Phebia J, aged 23, religion as Free Baptist. They had had three children by this stage - James from Edward's first marriage, Martha Jane, and Henry Newton. One child, Charlotte Cecelia, who was born on the 22nd April 1857 at Douglas, had died by the time of the census. Also listed in their family group was Pheobe's father, Henry STAPLES, aged 63. Edward, Phoebe, James, Martha, Henry, and the newest addition to the family, Hulda Matilda, left New Brunswick for England, where they boarded the Royal Standard on the 24th November 1864 and sailed for Victoria, Australia. With them were Edward's sister Margaret, who had married George PATTERSON, Margaret's three children, and George's brother John PATTERSON. They arrived in Melbourne on the 19th February 1865, and then journeyed to the north-east of Victoria to Wangaratta. They perhaps met up with Margaret's husband George. There is no confirmed shipping record for George's arrival in Victoria, but there is a record for a George PATTERSON as a labourer, Murphy St. Wangaratta in the 1865 Butler & Brooke Ovens District Directory, and as a labourer of Templeton St. Wangaratta in 1866 . According to the Government Gazette of the 5th September 1865, "Edward W PATTERSON, resident of Laceby, selected 82 acres in Warrawinga." On the 17th November the Gazette reported "Lease executed and available for collection at Wangaratta Land Office: Edward W PATTERSON, 82 acres. 1 rood, 24 perches in the Agricultural District of Warrawinga, Parish of Laceby." It is not known what happened to this selection. In 1868, Edward and Phoebe had their first Australian born child, Albert. His birth was registered at Wangaratta. Edward is said to have taught school at Greta from 1871 to 1876-77. [Myrrhee School Centenary and Pioneer Families Reunion, 1885 - 1985] "A few years after the first settlers arrived [in the Greta area], they sought a way whereby they could have their growing families educated. Mr Alexander McKENZIE consented to the use of a building on his property as a school. Mr [Edward] Wm PATTERSON was engaged and conducted the school for some years. The building was also used as a Methodist meeting house. After a short period the people decided to build a church, and a brick building was erected (1878). It was then used as a school room. About this time the Government decided to casrry out a state system of education. A State school was built near the Methodist Church, and the first teaacher appointed by the department was Mr R C B McDONALD. Mr Wm PATTERSON was then engaged by the parents of South Hanson who erected a school-room from the bush timber at hand. Mr PATTERSON continued as ! teacher until the Education Dept built a school and appointed Mr BROOKES as teacher." [Ellis, 1972. A History of Greta] At Greta on the 20th February 1876, 7-8 years after the birth of Albert, Phoebe gave birth to another child, Edward William. Edward's occupation was recorded as Schoolmaster, his birth place as New Brunswick, British America, and his age as 52 years. In about 1880, Edward's eldest son James left his Myrrhee selection to go to New Zealand. Edward and his next eldest son, Henry Newton, took over the hard work of improving this selection and meeting the requirements of the lease. They were expecting James to return in about six months after he had earned enough money to buy a horse team and pay for improvements. James did send some money, but the last they ever heard from him was just before the wreck of the SS Tararua off the coast of New Zealand in April 1881. Edward believed his son may have perished in the shipwreck. He wrote the following letter to the Lands Department:- "Whitfield September 1st 1881. Sir, In answer to your letter of the 26th inst., I have the Honor to inform you that about 12 months since James W PATTERSON received a letter from a friend in New Zealand informing him that business was very prosperous there. Being anxious to raise a few pounds to buy a team he went there leaving me his father and Henry N PATTERSON his brother in occupation of the ground until his return which he expected to do in about six months. He sent us some money to help us in improving the ground. The last letter was received from him was a short time previous to the wreck of the Tarawra stating that he would be home in a short time and that he would be in a position to pay up the arrears and apply for his lease. Since the wreck of that vessel we have not heard from him. We are residing on the ground and with the assistance of the money he sent are improving the ground. We have now about 12 or 14 acres of grubbed and cleared, about 4 acres was grubbed ! and cleared before he left. We have built a house 18 ft by 27 ft have made a garden and set out a number of fruit trees. The ground is about one fourth fenced. If we do not hear from him in a short time will you be kind enough to inform us what will be the proper course for us to pursue. It would utterly ruin us if the ground is forfeited after we have done so much hard labour on it. I have the Honor to be Sir, Your most obedient Servant Edward W PATTERSON." [VPRS 626: Consignment P0000: Unit 616: File No. 17544/19.20] Even though Edward had communicated this with the Lands Department, James was called before a Local Land Board to show cause. On the 22nd March 1882 a Local Land Board held in Wangaratta , recommended that License be cancelled for non compliance with conditions and land be reopened for selection. On the 12th May 1882 Henry Newton PATTERSON applied for the License of James's forfeited selection, plus additional land running down to the Boggy Creek, a total of 129 acres. This was granted, so at least all Edward and Henry's hard work was not wasted. Edward and Phoebe must have continued living with Henry. During the 1901 bushfires, the following account of Henry's losses was reported in the Wangaratta Chronicle: "His father and mother who live in a small house on the property, are now also thrown upon him, for their little home went in the flames, and the father, Mr G [sic] PATTERSON, is a cripple. Mr PATTERSON, sen., met with an accident some months ago by which his leg was broken, and as he has since had to have the limb in splints, he had to be carried to his son's house in this helpless condition on Thursday afternoon." [Wangaratta Chronicle, February 13, 1901] Edward William PATTERSON died at Myrrhee on the 13th January 1902 at the age of 77. [Registration No. 2934] An inquiry held into his death found that he died from Diarrhorra or English Cholera. He was buried at the Greta Cemetery on the 14th January in the Primitive Methodist section, Grave No. A111. The celebrant was James Roulstone CURRIE. Edward's residence was recorded as Boggy Creek, and his occupation as Farmer. [Greta Cemetery Register] "IN MEMORIAM. PATTERSON - In loving memory of our dear father, Edward William PATTERSON, who died at Myrrhee on January 13th, 1902; aged 77years. Call not back the dear departed, Anchored safe where storms are o'er; On the borderland we left him, Soon to meet and part no more. Far bejond this world of changes, Far beyond this world of care, We shall find our missing loved one, In our Father's mansion fair. - Inserted by his sorrowing wife and family." [Wangaratta Chronicle, Wednesday, January 14,1903] ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: [HC] Warrawinga Does anyone know where this was in 1867? Northeast somewhere And I have done a Geoscience online check and it says O -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005

Not sure, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <wildmob@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Lake Hervey - Yack > Is it signposted Peter? > > On Monday, January 2, 2006, at 08:53 AM, Peter Ross wrote: > > > Hi Chris, > > Ronda's right. It's between Dederang Road and Ben Valley Lane, about > > 5 or 6 > > kms out from Yack. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ronda Shambrook" <shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Lake Hervey - Yack > > > > > >> Hi Chris, > >> > >> It is called Lake Harvey on my map, on Kinchington Creek, near land > >> owned > > by > >> Paull, Fulford, J.Garvey, D.Mongan, Kinchington, Harvey, Bakes & > > Schollard. > >> > >> Ronda > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Chris" <wildmob@dodo.com.au> > >> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:01 PM > >> Subject: [HC] Lake Hervey - Yack > >> > >> > >>> Does anyone know where this was situated in relation to Kinchington > >>> Crk > > ? > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >

Thanks Jenny, I must admit it's not something I use often and have only discovered 'a problem' in the last while although I've been on XP a long time. I'd be interested in reading how to get around this. regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: <jnnyb@aol.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Sands Directory - technical chat > Hi Denise, > > Just tried my own Sands and realised it doesn't work with Windows XP. > Seems it needs Netscape 4.5 but this old version of Netscape looks like it > isn't compatible with XP. > Has anyone come up with an answer to this one? Or can direct a techno > peasant in simple language? > > Jenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:39:57 +1000 > Subject: [HC] Sands or other Directory Melbourne during the 1853-1857 > > Hoping someone has access to a Directory at home for the name GRUBER in > Melbourne > My own Sands is 'dead' > > Thanks > Denise > > >