Thanks Simon. I think I'll word it 'central Victoria" and leave it as that (g) D ----- Original Message ----- From: <siroli@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: [HC] 7th White Hill > Hi Denise > The White Hills north of Bendigo were indeed numbered. There was a > national school and settlement at the 7th White Hill. There were also > numbered White Hills in the Maryborough district I believe and it may be > possible to confuse the two. > Regards > Simon (Bendigo born and bred) > > >> AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >>

Heavens Murray - I hope you were alright - I thought there were pretty terrible fires around Gosford. And no 4 days of painting and renovating does not sound like a good look to me. Also I'm not sure that the Vic High Country people know what a holiday is!!! Cheers Anne -----Original Message----- From: Murray Williamson [mailto:murwill@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2006 4:31 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] Pulmonary Phthisis Hi, anne, Just back from Gosford spending four fun-packed days repainting and renovating a town house. Was it hot! There were 267 emails waiting for me - don't the Vic High Country people ever go on holidays? My g grandmother had been ill for 1 year. Happy New Year, Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Pulmonary Phthisis > Murray, > > What is interesting that on my grt grt aunt's death certificate it give > the > cause of death and then says for how long she had been ill which in her > case > was 5 months - what about your G grandmother how long had she been ill > before she died? > > Cheers > > Anne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Murray Williamson [mailto:murwill@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 7:10 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HC] Pulmonary Phthisis > > > Thanks for your research Anne! > > I had a notion that that is what pulmonary phthisis was, but lacked your > thoroughness to confirm it. I thought that the reference also to > exhaustion > in the case of my G grandmother's death reflected a hard life of poverty, > bearing and raising 6 kids in the gold country, but perhaps it was just > the > effects of the disease. > > Murray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:28 PM > Subject: [HC] Pulmonary Phthisis > > >> Hi All, >> >> Most of you probably know this but I have just discovered that Pulmonary >> Phthisis is consumption. And I just located good explanations of same on >> the >> net they are: >> >> Pulmonary consumption. It is known by emaciation, debility, cough, hectic >> fever, and purulent expectoration. [Hooper1843] >> >> In a general sense, progressive emaciation. It is usually, however, >> restricted to phthisis pulmonalis. [Dunglison1874] >> >> Pulmonary consumption, characterized by emaciation, debility, cough, >> hectic >> fever, and purulent expectoration. [Thomas1875] >> >> A term formerly applied (like Consumption ) to the disease of the lung >> now >> known as Tuberculosis. [Britannica1911] >> >> A wasting or consumption of the tissues. The term was formerly applied to >> many wasting diseases, but is now usually restricted to pulmonary >> phthisis, >> or Consumption. [Webster1913] >> >> Pulmonary Tuberculosis. Involving the lungs with progressive wasting of >> the >> body. [Wordnet] >> >> Phthisis is an archaic name for tuberculosis. [Medicinenet] >> >> I was interested because a grt grt aunt died of it in 1889 in Melbourne. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> > > > >

Hi, anne, Just back from Gosford spending four fun-packed days repainting and renovating a town house. Was it hot! There were 267 emails waiting for me - don't the Vic High Country people ever go on holidays? My g grandmother had been ill for 1 year. Happy New Year, Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Pulmonary Phthisis > Murray, > > What is interesting that on my grt grt aunt's death certificate it give > the > cause of death and then says for how long she had been ill which in her > case > was 5 months - what about your G grandmother how long had she been ill > before she died? > > Cheers > > Anne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Murray Williamson [mailto:murwill@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 7:10 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HC] Pulmonary Phthisis > > > Thanks for your research Anne! > > I had a notion that that is what pulmonary phthisis was, but lacked your > thoroughness to confirm it. I thought that the reference also to > exhaustion > in the case of my G grandmother's death reflected a hard life of poverty, > bearing and raising 6 kids in the gold country, but perhaps it was just > the > effects of the disease. > > Murray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:28 PM > Subject: [HC] Pulmonary Phthisis > > >> Hi All, >> >> Most of you probably know this but I have just discovered that Pulmonary >> Phthisis is consumption. And I just located good explanations of same on >> the >> net they are: >> >> Pulmonary consumption. It is known by emaciation, debility, cough, hectic >> fever, and purulent expectoration. [Hooper1843] >> >> In a general sense, progressive emaciation. It is usually, however, >> restricted to phthisis pulmonalis. [Dunglison1874] >> >> Pulmonary consumption, characterized by emaciation, debility, cough, >> hectic >> fever, and purulent expectoration. [Thomas1875] >> >> A term formerly applied (like Consumption ) to the disease of the lung >> now >> known as Tuberculosis. [Britannica1911] >> >> A wasting or consumption of the tissues. The term was formerly applied to >> many wasting diseases, but is now usually restricted to pulmonary >> phthisis, >> or Consumption. [Webster1913] >> >> Pulmonary Tuberculosis. Involving the lungs with progressive wasting of >> the >> body. [Wordnet] >> >> Phthisis is an archaic name for tuberculosis. [Medicinenet] >> >> I was interested because a grt grt aunt died of it in 1889 in Melbourne. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> > > > >

Hi Rhonda, Thanks for your reply. Glad I don't have to pronounce that word!! It sounds similar to Hec's solution and I think this is the way to go - in fact I've begun already! Would you believe I have obtained (mostly bought) almost all the certificates for my direct pedigree of everyone who was born, married or died in Australia? This amounts to over 50 with about 7 to go (can't find one or two - presumambly not registered.). Plus a few from the UK. Must be mad.... Luckily they are mainly in Victoria. I have more certificates than photos which is a bit sad - that is my next task. Have a couple of families who are very interesting as far as stories go but still a lot of research to do. IS THERE EVER AN END IN SIGHT? Cheers, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian and Rhonda Williams" <glenroy@westserv.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Filing Methods > Hi Wendy, > > I use Family Tree Maker - and the Ahnentafel numbering system that it > allocates to each ancestor. It starts out giving me the number 1 - and my > father is no. 2, my mother is no. 3. My father's father is 4 and his mother > is 5 - my mother's father is 6 and her mother 7. The ahnentafel number for > each person's father is doubles, eg if Henry's number is 14, then his father > is no. 28. I then file everything under that person's number, with the > siblings who are not my ancestor being filed under their father's number, eg > Henry's children who are not in my direct line would be 14.1, 14.2 etc. I > use the Family Tree Maker ancestry chart to print out a tree giving each > generation and the ahnentafel number. I think most genealogy programmes > would allocate an ahnentafel number, but even if you don't use one you can > allocate the numbers yourself. > > This is how the numbering system is described in the help file of the > programme: > > Standard (Ahnentafel) numbers > > "Ahnentafel" means "ancestor table," and an ahnentafel is a special > genealogical format that tabulates the ancestry of one individual by > generation in text rather than pedigree chart format. > The ahnentafel number is the unique number assigned to each position in an > ancestor table. Number one designates the person in the first generation > whose ancestry is being traced. Number 2 designates the individual's father; > 3 designates the mother (the second generation back). Numbers four through > seven designate the grandparents of person number one (the third > generation). As the ahnentafel extends by generation, the number of persons > doubles. > Because an ahnentafel starts with the individual and moves back through the > generations of forebears, the higher the ahnentafel number, the further back > in time the person designated. > > Family Tree Maker version 11 > > > Rhonda Williams > mailto:glenroy@westserv.net.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 4:14 PM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HC] Filing Methods > > Please can anyone out there advise me on the best way to file family history > documentation? At the moment I have stuff everywhere and the way I was > doing it before doesn't work any more as the collection grows larger. > > Thanks, > Wendy >

BIRTHS HULME, Robert James 04 Sep 1877 New Town, Beechworth SMITH, William Patrick 12 Aug 1877 New Town, Beechworth BAIRD, George Edward 17 Aug 1877 One Mile, Beechworth DATSON, Georgina 02 Oct 1877 Mellish Street, Beechworth HUNTER, Louisa Ellen 19 Sep 1877 Bowmans Forest, Beechworth PLAYLE, Thomas Henry 05 Aug 1892 New Town, Beechworth HUNTER, John Reginald 31 Aug 1893 Bowmans Forest, Beechworth DAVIS, Achibald Henry 21 Aug 1893 McKirman (?) Road, Beechworth BLUME, Ethel Ivy Irene 15 Aug 1893 Three Mile, Beechworth FARHALL, Eva Phyllis 18 Aug 1893 Loch Street, Beechworth MARRIAGES PRITCHARD, Charles Leslie and HUNTER, Ellen Louisa 26 Dec 1895, Beechworth SOUTHERN, Robert and HUNTER, Martha 18 Oct 1897, Wangaratta STEWART, Charles and BOYD Alison Stewart 01 Dec 1897 Wangaratta FRENCH, Frederick and MORRISONS, Jane 22 Dec 1897 Oxley DEATHS PRITCHARD, Alexander 05 Apr 1901 Ovens Benevelont Asylum, Beechworth Carol

Hi Wendy, I use Family Tree Maker - and the Ahnentafel numbering system that it allocates to each ancestor. It starts out giving me the number 1 - and my father is no. 2, my mother is no. 3. My father's father is 4 and his mother is 5 - my mother's father is 6 and her mother 7. The ahnentafel number for each person's father is doubles, eg if Henry's number is 14, then his father is no. 28. I then file everything under that person's number, with the siblings who are not my ancestor being filed under their father's number, eg Henry's children who are not in my direct line would be 14.1, 14.2 etc. I use the Family Tree Maker ancestry chart to print out a tree giving each generation and the ahnentafel number. I think most genealogy programmes would allocate an ahnentafel number, but even if you don't use one you can allocate the numbers yourself. This is how the numbering system is described in the help file of the programme: Standard (Ahnentafel) numbers "Ahnentafel" means "ancestor table," and an ahnentafel is a special genealogical format that tabulates the ancestry of one individual by generation in text rather than pedigree chart format. The ahnentafel number is the unique number assigned to each position in an ancestor table. Number one designates the person in the first generation whose ancestry is being traced. Number 2 designates the individual's father; 3 designates the mother (the second generation back). Numbers four through seven designate the grandparents of person number one (the third generation). As the ahnentafel extends by generation, the number of persons doubles. Because an ahnentafel starts with the individual and moves back through the generations of forebears, the higher the ahnentafel number, the further back in time the person designated. Family Tree Maker version 11 Rhonda Williams mailto:glenroy@westserv.net.au -----Original Message----- From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 4:14 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Filing Methods Please can anyone out there advise me on the best way to file family history documentation? At the moment I have stuff everywhere and the way I was doing it before doesn't work any more as the collection grows larger. Thanks, Wendy

Hec, you are too clever by half! What great advice. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hec Alcock" <heca@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Filing Methods > Hi Wendy, > I use Family Tree Maker, that automatically generates a reference number > for > each person. Every piece of paper I have on a particular person has the > ref > number plus a decimal,. Regardless of the software used , a reference > number > can be generated > > For example our Edward Milnes' wife Ellen is Number 231, her baptism being > the 1st record I have for her is 231.1, Her death cert is 231.2, The > photos > I took of her grave at Myrtleford whilst at the Circus are 231.3, 231.4 > etc.. > > If I send a letter re a ancestor I quote their ref number and file under > that number. The reference numbers I quoted on the recent spares list I > sent > out was using this system so it was simple to locate them. > > Every piece of paper has a removable sticker on it (in case I need to scan > them). My files are in numeric sequence, plus I have a report giving me > all > my names plus their reference number. > > Very simple and it works for me > > cheers > Hec > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 4:14 PM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HC] Filing Methods > > > Please can anyone out there advise me on the best way to file family > history > documentation? At the moment I have stuff everywhere and the way I was > doing it before doesn't work any more as the collection grows larger. > > Thanks, > Wendy >

Hi Denise The White Hills north of Bendigo were indeed numbered. There was a national school and settlement at the 7th White Hill. There were also numbered White Hills in the Maryborough district I believe and it may be possible to confuse the two. Regards Simon (Bendigo born and bred) > AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >

Would Sue from Darnley Island please e-mail me as I have tried to e-mail twice and I keep getting an undelivered mail return to sender error prompt. Thank you. Anne

1869 - Mary Ann Bain - Isaac Mellon - in Chiltern Louis August Huht - Caroline Margaret Andersen/son - in Chiltern George W Scott - Mary Dexter Reynolds - in Chiltern contact me for more details if they fit your tree. regards Denise

Ray, Sorry to hear you lost some buildings, but more than pleased to hear you and family are safe and sound. 2006 can only improve from here on for all of you. Cheers Elayne

Many thanks Wendy Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 9:56 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] Spare Births Malmsbury 1888 On its way! This is the third request for a certificate from this list - hard to believe!! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Calvert" <rainbear.mail@gmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Spare Births Malmsbury 1888 > Hi Wendy > > Can I please have details on George Robert STEPHENSON > > Thanks > Lorraine C > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 11:08 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HC] Spare Births Malmsbury 1888 > > Hi Everyone, > I am taking the liberty of posting some spare certificates on this list just > in case anyone is interested, especially ones from mining areas. > If you see something you want please quote initials in the heading. > Good luck, Wendy > > BIRTHS - MALMSBURY - 1888 (CMV) > > > > > > George Robert STEPHENSON > > Father: James Henry STEPHENSON (Born Glenlyon, Vic) > > Mother: Alexandrina TAYLOR (Born Ballarat) > > >

Is this the next generation of family history research???? ----- Original Message ----- Modern Version of the Birds and the Bees A little boy goes to his father and asks "Daddy, how was I born?" The father answers: "Well, son, I guess one day you will need to find out anyway! Your Mom and I first got together in a chat room on Yahoo. Then I set up a date via e-mail with your Mom and we met at a cyber-cafe. We sneaked into a secluded room, where your mother agreed to a download from my hard-drive. As soon as I was ready to upload, we discovered that neither one of us had used a firewall, and since it was too late to hit the delete button, nine months later a blessed little Pop-Up appeared and said, You've Got Male!" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 2/01/2006

Hi Wendy Can I please have details on George Robert STEPHENSON Thanks Lorraine C -----Original Message----- From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 11:08 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Spare Births Malmsbury 1888 Hi Everyone, I am taking the liberty of posting some spare certificates on this list just in case anyone is interested, especially ones from mining areas. If you see something you want please quote initials in the heading. Good luck, Wendy BIRTHS - MALMSBURY - 1888 (CMV) George Robert STEPHENSON Father: James Henry STEPHENSON (Born Glenlyon, Vic) Mother: Alexandrina TAYLOR (Born Ballarat)

Hi All, Back on line tonight after having yesterday fighting a fire that came within 400 metres of our house, all Our little community were very lucky to come out of it with our houses intact, but hay sheds and fencing were Demolished, but we will survive and become a stronger community by helping each other to re-erect fencing and rebuilding sheds etc. Happy to be able to say, Cheers, Ray

On its way! This is the third request for a certificate from this list - hard to believe!! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Calvert" <rainbear.mail@gmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Spare Births Malmsbury 1888 > Hi Wendy > > Can I please have details on George Robert STEPHENSON > > Thanks > Lorraine C > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 11:08 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HC] Spare Births Malmsbury 1888 > > Hi Everyone, > I am taking the liberty of posting some spare certificates on this list just > in case anyone is interested, especially ones from mining areas. > If you see something you want please quote initials in the heading. > Good luck, Wendy > > BIRTHS - MALMSBURY - 1888 (CMV) > > > > > > George Robert STEPHENSON > > Father: James Henry STEPHENSON (Born Glenlyon, Vic) > > Mother: Alexandrina TAYLOR (Born Ballarat) > > >

Hi Hec, That sounds like an idea that is really worth considering. I am using PAF at the moment and that has numbers - not quite the same - but I am thinking I could adapt it. Thank you very much, Cheers, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hec Alcock" <heca@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Filing Methods > Hi Wendy, > I use Family Tree Maker, that automatically generates a reference number for > each person. Every piece of paper I have on a particular person has the ref > number plus a decimal,. Regardless of the software used , a reference number > can be generated > > For example our Edward Milnes' wife Ellen is Number 231, her baptism being > the 1st record I have for her is 231.1, Her death cert is 231.2, The photos > I took of her grave at Myrtleford whilst at the Circus are 231.3, 231.4 > etc.. > > If I send a letter re a ancestor I quote their ref number and file under > that number. The reference numbers I quoted on the recent spares list I sent > out was using this system so it was simple to locate them. > > Every piece of paper has a removable sticker on it (in case I need to scan > them). My files are in numeric sequence, plus I have a report giving me all > my names plus their reference number. > > Very simple and it works for me > > cheers > Hec > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 4:14 PM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HC] Filing Methods > > > Please can anyone out there advise me on the best way to file family history > documentation? At the moment I have stuff everywhere and the way I was > doing it before doesn't work any more as the collection grows larger. > > Thanks, > Wendy >

Hi Wendy, I use Family Tree Maker, that automatically generates a reference number for each person. Every piece of paper I have on a particular person has the ref number plus a decimal,. Regardless of the software used , a reference number can be generated For example our Edward Milnes' wife Ellen is Number 231, her baptism being the 1st record I have for her is 231.1, Her death cert is 231.2, The photos I took of her grave at Myrtleford whilst at the Circus are 231.3, 231.4 etc.. If I send a letter re a ancestor I quote their ref number and file under that number. The reference numbers I quoted on the recent spares list I sent out was using this system so it was simple to locate them. Every piece of paper has a removable sticker on it (in case I need to scan them). My files are in numeric sequence, plus I have a report giving me all my names plus their reference number. Very simple and it works for me cheers Hec -----Original Message----- From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 4:14 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Filing Methods Please can anyone out there advise me on the best way to file family history documentation? At the moment I have stuff everywhere and the way I was doing it before doesn't work any more as the collection grows larger. Thanks, Wendy

Thanks for the thought Dawn. They used Gruber here and in Canada but the father was German and I have two other alternatives when chasing them in Canada. Regards Denise

Legacy Family Tree is changing the world of genealogy! Download it today FREE at http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=3946FRi Cheers Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max & Peggy" <phe09177@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Filing Methods > I for one, use the free download from the LDS. I am happy with it. Other > have the free download from legacy. It's your personal tastes. Maybe > another lister's could lead you to the legacy downloads. But for the > download I have, just go to the laterday saints web page, and follow the > links. > Happy new year. > > Peggy & Max > Swan Hill > researching, ABBOTT,BELL,BIDDISCOMBE,BLOXHAM,FELLOWS,MOORE, > GIDDENS,PHIPPS,ROWLSTONE,BLOXHAM, Australia, & England >