25.9.83 Land licenses not granted - Wm Hempenstall 420a Burrowye - Gottlieb Fredericks died in Jindera. Mrs F found him in bed 'quite dead" when she returned from retail therapy. - excuse me DOO NE Vic branch calling, have to leave OMA for some time to assist in operations. Back later

I guess you could call eleven kids - a large family <vbg>! Cheers Merren -----Original Message----- From: Ronda Shambrook [mailto:shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2004 7:50 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] Bruarong - Paull, Cooper, Devaney Merren, I'm pretty sure that the committee woman Mr Cooper berated would have been Jane Isabella McKibbin. The inspector recorded in one of his investigations that he asked Mrs. McKibbin, a sensible mother of a large family, her opinion of Mr. Cooper. Apparently she replied that he was a hard worker, but could be rather overbearing. (Quite an understatement!) Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronda Shambrook" <shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: [HC] Bruarong - Paull, Cooper, Devaney > Mr Albert Edward Cooper, chairman of the school committee, has written in to head office to complain about Eileen Paull's treatment of Maggie Devaney, and has said Miss Paull dragged Maggie by the feet across the floor, after bumping her head. Miss Paull is asked to explain her side of the story. (Mr. Cooper's children were not at school the day of the alleged incident.) > > > Bruarong > via Yackandandah > 27th Sept 1920 > > Sir, > I have the honour to state that the following is a faithful account of the treatment meted out to Maggie Devaney on the occasion referred to:- one very dull afternoon, this girl entered school with a peculiar color on her cheeks. Feeling concerned, I asked what was wrong with her face. On receiving no reply, I repeated the question several times - she and a companion were then giggling. > > As the lighting is decidedly poor on such days, I called her out to me though I now knew that little was the matter. She came out but took up a defiant attitude refusing to answer when I asked what she had been doing. > > Annoyed by the persistent obstinacy which seemingly some girls fancy permissible since the inquiries to which both the previous teacher and I were subjected, I took her by the wrist, turning her sharply. To the surprise of both, she overbalanced almost drawing me with her. She was not hurt nor did I release my hold to as much touch her legs let along to 'drag her and bump her head'. Perhaps not altogether gently though without any injury after raising her I led her outside with instructions to come when she would answer, then do the lesson being missed. It was not raining; but when a shower did come, I sent for her to come to the porch. I then called her to try again but meeting with no response, I sent her back. Instead she went outside. > > After school the mother came to me complaining that the child had been put in the cold. She said it would not have been so bad had she put on a coat. She had not thought I would do such a thing though a certain other teacher would send children from their lessons. (I assured her that it certainly was not a habit of mine.) She would rather I had given the girl a cut with the strap for the believed that the children should obey and hers were no better than others. I told her I was sorry that thoughtlessness (not utter heartlessness) had made me put her out, for this was the punishment emphasized, in fact no other was mentioned. After talking matters over I thank Mrs Devaney for the reminder and for meeting me in her open manner. She voluntarily extended her and desiring that to end the matter. > > On receiving your memorandum containing Mr Cooper's gross exaggerations, I wrote to Mrs Devaney asking if such were as facts to her. Her reply states that she never mentioned such statements.. It was on account of putting Maggie in the cold that she was cross. Further, she had not spoken to Mr Cooper since but any complaint she had to make she believed in making to those concerned and not doing to behind their backs. > > The 'brutal assaults' surely had a different aspect to the mother from what it had to a man who was last year fined for such an attack on an old man and whose wife and family have complained publicly of his other than paternal treatment of them. > > Almost from the time I took charge of this school Mr Cooper has borne me a grudge; evidently because I objected to work at home interfering with school duties. His attempts at imaginary necessary retaliation have been underhand to the detriment of the school. His one object in becoming a member of the school committee was in order to make mischief which is all that he has done. I have it on good authority that he boasted that he 'could shift the teacher', he had done it in New South Wales and had the school closed. Result - the older children are retarded. > > Recently, he even soundly rated (by letter) a certain committee woman for having frustrated his previous attempt to dispel me. I am not aware any did not, though all agreed I was not as guilty as he would make believe. I certainly made no effort to enlist the sympathy of any in the district. Even my report then was lenient towards him; but I still deny that I caused the bruises mentioned at that time for they were not strap marks. > > However, perhaps this fuller report may serve to check future trouble, otherwise I should still make little defence for myself. > > I have the honour to be, > Sir, > Your obedient servant, > A.E.Paull > > --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 22/06/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 22/06/2004

Ahhhh tis you. Well now..... I don't recall in receiving the Rea/Taylor info yet??? Chris On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 06:01 PM, Peter Ross wrote: > Probably me, do you think? (Just wait 'til I catch up with you!). > > Not grovelling, but... PLEASE? > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine <wildmob@dodo.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:48 AM > Subject: [HC] Crowe/Jingellic & Macdonald/Tintaldra 1884 > > >> Anybody researching these names?? >> I have some info to share. >> >> Chris >> > >

No Denise sorry it is a John Macdonald whom died in 1884 at Tintaldra. Chris On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 06:07 PM, Denise wrote: > I have a James McDonald who worked in Albury died 1916, is this the > same one > Chris? > D > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine" <wildmob@dodo.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:48 AM > Subject: [HC] Crowe/Jingellic & Macdonald/Tintaldra 1884 > > >> Anybody researching these names?? >> I have some info to share. >> >> Chris >> >> > >

Merren, I'm pretty sure that the committee woman Mr Cooper berated would have been Jane Isabella McKibbin. The inspector recorded in one of his investigations that he asked Mrs. McKibbin, a sensible mother of a large family, her opinion of Mr. Cooper. Apparently she replied that he was a hard worker, but could be rather overbearing. (Quite an understatement!) Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronda Shambrook" <shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: [HC] Bruarong - Paull, Cooper, Devaney > Mr Albert Edward Cooper, chairman of the school committee, has written in to head office to complain about Eileen Paull's treatment of Maggie Devaney, and has said Miss Paull dragged Maggie by the feet across the floor, after bumping her head. Miss Paull is asked to explain her side of the story. (Mr. Cooper's children were not at school the day of the alleged incident.) > > > Bruarong > via Yackandandah > 27th Sept 1920 > > Sir, > I have the honour to state that the following is a faithful account of the treatment meted out to Maggie Devaney on the occasion referred to:- one very dull afternoon, this girl entered school with a peculiar color on her cheeks. Feeling concerned, I asked what was wrong with her face. On receiving no reply, I repeated the question several times - she and a companion were then giggling. > > As the lighting is decidedly poor on such days, I called her out to me though I now knew that little was the matter. She came out but took up a defiant attitude refusing to answer when I asked what she had been doing. > > Annoyed by the persistent obstinacy which seemingly some girls fancy permissible since the inquiries to which both the previous teacher and I were subjected, I took her by the wrist, turning her sharply. To the surprise of both, she overbalanced almost drawing me with her. She was not hurt nor did I release my hold to as much touch her legs let along to 'drag her and bump her head'. Perhaps not altogether gently though without any injury after raising her I led her outside with instructions to come when she would answer, then do the lesson being missed. It was not raining; but when a shower did come, I sent for her to come to the porch. I then called her to try again but meeting with no response, I sent her back. Instead she went outside. > > After school the mother came to me complaining that the child had been put in the cold. She said it would not have been so bad had she put on a coat. She had not thought I would do such a thing though a certain other teacher would send children from their lessons. (I assured her that it certainly was not a habit of mine.) She would rather I had given the girl a cut with the strap for the believed that the children should obey and hers were no better than others. I told her I was sorry that thoughtlessness (not utter heartlessness) had made me put her out, for this was the punishment emphasized, in fact no other was mentioned. After talking matters over I thank Mrs Devaney for the reminder and for meeting me in her open manner. She voluntarily extended her and desiring that to end the matter. > > On receiving your memorandum containing Mr Cooper's gross exaggerations, I wrote to Mrs Devaney asking if such were as facts to her. Her reply states that she never mentioned such statements.. It was on account of putting Maggie in the cold that she was cross. Further, she had not spoken to Mr Cooper since but any complaint she had to make she believed in making to those concerned and not doing to behind their backs. > > The 'brutal assaults' surely had a different aspect to the mother from what it had to a man who was last year fined for such an attack on an old man and whose wife and family have complained publicly of his other than paternal treatment of them. > > Almost from the time I took charge of this school Mr Cooper has borne me a grudge; evidently because I objected to work at home interfering with school duties. His attempts at imaginary necessary retaliation have been underhand to the detriment of the school. His one object in becoming a member of the school committee was in order to make mischief which is all that he has done. I have it on good authority that he boasted that he 'could shift the teacher', he had done it in New South Wales and had the school closed. Result - the older children are retarded. > > Recently, he even soundly rated (by letter) a certain committee woman for having frustrated his previous attempt to dispel me. I am not aware any did not, though all agreed I was not as guilty as he would make believe. I certainly made no effort to enlist the sympathy of any in the district. Even my report then was lenient towards him; but I still deny that I caused the bruises mentioned at that time for they were not strap marks. > > However, perhaps this fuller report may serve to check future trouble, otherwise I should still make little defence for myself. > > I have the honour to be, > Sir, > Your obedient servant, > A.E.Paull > >

Thanks Ronda Cheers Merren -----Original Message----- From: Ronda Shambrook [mailto:shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2004 7:10 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Bruarong School Letter sent to the Ed Dept by J.I.McKibbin, correspondent for Bruarong School Committee. Chairman of the committee is Mr. A.E.Cooper. He has previously complained to the secretary of the Ed.Dept about Aggie Blewett kicking his son, Ronnie Cooper. It is not his first complaint (by any means!!). In the past the Dept. have basically told him to 'get over it'. 1st November 1920 Sir, I have the honour to request that the letters relating to dispute between Mr. Cooper's child and Wm Blewett's be forwarded to the above committee. I have the honour to be yours respectfully J.I.McKibbin Correspondent *Notes in margin of letter read as follows: As teacher has resigned no good purpose is likely to be achieved by continueing the controversy. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 22/06/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 22/06/2004

Mr Albert Edward Cooper, chairman of the school committee, has written in to head office to complain about Eileen Paull's treatment of Maggie Devaney, and has said Miss Paull dragged Maggie by the feet across the floor, after bumping her head. Miss Paull is asked to explain her side of the story. (Mr. Cooper's children were not at school the day of the alleged incident.) Bruarong via Yackandandah 27th Sept 1920 Sir, I have the honour to state that the following is a faithful account of the treatment meted out to Maggie Devaney on the occasion referred to:- one very dull afternoon, this girl entered school with a peculiar color on her cheeks. Feeling concerned, I asked what was wrong with her face. On receiving no reply, I repeated the question several times - she and a companion were then giggling. As the lighting is decidedly poor on such days, I called her out to me though I now knew that little was the matter. She came out but took up a defiant attitude refusing to answer when I asked what she had been doing. Annoyed by the persistent obstinacy which seemingly some girls fancy permissible since the inquiries to which both the previous teacher and I were subjected, I took her by the wrist, turning her sharply. To the surprise of both, she overbalanced almost drawing me with her. She was not hurt nor did I release my hold to as much touch her legs let along to 'drag her and bump her head'. Perhaps not altogether gently though without any injury after raising her I led her outside with instructions to come when she would answer, then do the lesson being missed. It was not raining; but when a shower did come, I sent for her to come to the porch. I then called her to try again but meeting with no response, I sent her back. Instead she went outside. After school the mother came to me complaining that the child had been put in the cold. She said it would not have been so bad had she put on a coat. She had not thought I would do such a thing though a certain other teacher would send children from their lessons. (I assured her that it certainly was not a habit of mine.) She would rather I had given the girl a cut with the strap for the believed that the children should obey and hers were no better than others. I told her I was sorry that thoughtlessness (not utter heartlessness) had made me put her out, for this was the punishment emphasized, in fact no other was mentioned. After talking matters over I thank Mrs Devaney for the reminder and for meeting me in her open manner. She voluntarily extended her and desiring that to end the matter. On receiving your memorandum containing Mr Cooper's gross exaggerations, I wrote to Mrs Devaney asking if such were as facts to her. Her reply states that she never mentioned such statements.. It was on account of putting Maggie in the cold that she was cross. Further, she had not spoken to Mr Cooper since but any complaint she had to make she believed in making to those concerned and not doing to behind their backs. The 'brutal assaults' surely had a different aspect to the mother from what it had to a man who was last year fined for such an attack on an old man and whose wife and family have complained publicly of his other than paternal treatment of them. Almost from the time I took charge of this school Mr Cooper has borne me a grudge; evidently because I objected to work at home interfering with school duties. His attempts at imaginary necessary retaliation have been underhand to the detriment of the school. His one object in becoming a member of the school committee was in order to make mischief which is all that he has done. I have it on good authority that he boasted that he 'could shift the teacher', he had done it in New South Wales and had the school closed. Result - the older children are retarded. Recently, he even soundly rated (by letter) a certain committee woman for having frustrated his previous attempt to dispel me. I am not aware any did not, though all agreed I was not as guilty as he would make believe. I certainly made no effort to enlist the sympathy of any in the district. Even my report then was lenient towards him; but I still deny that I caused the bruises mentioned at that time for they were not strap marks. However, perhaps this fuller report may serve to check future trouble, otherwise I should still make little defence for myself. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your obedient servant, A.E.Paull

Oh? and who may that be? Great-grandpa? (g) D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie C" <jackiecall@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [HC] oma > Expertly prepared by Wangaratta Stables management :) > J > > Denise wrote - > 15.9.83 > > Wangaratta Show - > Crawford and Co for best hackney > >

Bruarong via Yackandandah 27th September 1920 Sir, I have the honour to state that on the 19th October 1920 I desire to resign from the service. As with may others I passed through terrible ordeal in consequence of the war and while in very indifferent health took charge of the present school. During my term of office here my time has been anything but pleasant as my by judged from my previous letter - so that I have no desire for further conflict. Wishing the teaching service every success. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your obedient servant, A.E.Paull

Letter sent to the Ed Dept by J.I.McKibbin, correspondent for Bruarong School Committee. Chairman of the committee is Mr. A.E.Cooper. He has previously complained to the secretary of the Ed.Dept about Aggie Blewett kicking his son, Ronnie Cooper. It is not his first complaint (by any means!!). In the past the Dept. have basically told him to 'get over it'. 1st November 1920 Sir, I have the honour to request that the letters relating to dispute between Mr. Cooper's child and Wm Blewett's be forwarded to the above committee. I have the honour to be yours respectfully J.I.McKibbin Correspondent *Notes in margin of letter read as follows: As teacher has resigned no good purpose is likely to be achieved by continueing the controversy.

Mary that would be A G Crawford, brother to Hiram. Again, thank you Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: [HC] CRAWFORD > Dear Denise, > I typed up some info. I saw re Hiram and G.A. CRAWFORD whilst at the PRO on Monday. > Not much really but thought it would add to your treasure chest. The notes refer to Theatrical Licenses that both men applied for in Melbourne. > Do you want it sent as an attachment to your personal email address or in the body of an email? > Mary of Melbourne > >

James Park Charles White (ah WHITE your name, sorry I completely forgot it) J Simpson J H Aiton John White T McKenzie A Finnie W Dickenson W Wood W Cundy H Lowerson Edward George B Landers J M Glass F Edwards George Ablet R Mathews. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <whit3@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [HC] oma 15.9.1883 > Hi Denise, > > I too apreciate reading your dailing input - we are really lucky you're > willing to spend the time typing & share with us. > > Re the below, do they mention any other names at the Reform Mine that > donated ? > > Di > Upper Beaconsfield, Vic. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:18 PM > Subject: [HC] oma > > > > > - > > Hospital Donations for August > > per Reform Mine Myrtleford > > A Finnie > > - > > > > > > >

http://www.bordermail.com.au/newsflow/pageitem?page_id=750702 Jackie - your line? Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie C" <jackiecall@netspace.net.au>

I have a James McDonald who worked in Albury died 1916, is this the same one Chris? D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine" <wildmob@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: [HC] Crowe/Jingellic & Macdonald/Tintaldra 1884 > Anybody researching these names?? > I have some info to share. > > Chris > >

Mary, I would love to read the info on St George's Hall - again reason is Hiram. Thank you, for the offer, could you again send it to my home? The Hall I've just discovered was attached to the London Tavern somewhere, somehow, and the last bit I read it held 500 people! What's in there now I doubt would fit 500 people, some of us were fortunate to see through the hotel last year. I know Wendy (who is OS at the moment and due back in a week or two) would probably love to get hold of the history. As for Barnes, the name rings a bell, but after having seen so many names of late I can't think where it fits in...certainly not staff I've confirmed. If I find him amongst the possibles I'll let you know. regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: [HC] BARNES > Hello Listers, > Is anyone researching St. George's Hall or Robert BARNES in Beechworth? > Saw a reference at the PRO on Monday which I can get next time I am there - only a little ref. > Mary of Melbourne > >

Wow Mary, Thank you. Send via attachment to my personal email thanks very much. Let you know what it means when I read it. Again, thank you Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: [HC] CRAWFORD > Dear Denise, > I typed up some info. I saw re Hiram and G.A. CRAWFORD whilst at the PRO on Monday. > Not much really but thought it would add to your treasure chest. The notes refer to Theatrical Licenses that both men applied for in Melbourne. > Do you want it sent as an attachment to your personal email address or in the body of an email? > Mary of Melbourne > >

Probably me, do you think? (Just wait 'til I catch up with you!). Not grovelling, but... PLEASE? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine <wildmob@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: [HC] Crowe/Jingellic & Macdonald/Tintaldra 1884 > Anybody researching these names?? > I have some info to share. > > Chris >

This is great - thanks Denise. Mary > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [HC] OMA 11.8.83 - ISAACS > Brain and Muscle - during the past few days we have had a practical > exemplification of the fact that B/worth can produce young men possessed of > both brain and muscular power in a high degree. On Friday Mr I A Isaacs son > of Mr. Isaacs of Ford street and who was educated in the town made his debut > as a barrister in the Beechworth court of General Sessions; he having been > retained with Mr F Brown to appear in support of a motion to admit a claim > made by the Norwich Union Insurance Co upon the insolvent estate of Mr. E S > Harris which was granted by the judge after hearing arguments reported in > another column. Mr. Isaacs gives great promise of becoming a leading member > of his profession; and his appearance in wig and gown on Friday should have > the effect of stimulating other young men in the town to follow in his > footsteps and persevere as he has done in what ever walk in life they may > select. > > > > Only if it is not too much for you to type. > > Date was 11th August, 1883. > > Thank you, > > Mary

Is there anyone interested in the above? I have some notes re this Building from PRO records. Mary of Melbourne

Hello Listers, Is anyone researching St. George's Hall or Robert BARNES in Beechworth? Saw a reference at the PRO on Monday which I can get next time I am there - only a little ref. Mary of Melbourne