Well Denise it did not help us win this year's Trivia Night, although last year we were successful winning $500.00 I am accumulating a list of things to take in the future. Mary > Ah the trick is Mary, to know which one has changed. Some of them have > changed/been abbreviated further. Massachusetts is one such state to have a > few options over the years. > > > > Also a common question at Trivia Nights!! > > > > Mary of Melbourne > > > > > > > Hi everyone, Not quite the northeast of Vic but several of us have US > > ancestors who did live in the NorEast, so I thought I'd post the > > abbreviations of the states in the US. My US cousin tells me she gets > > confused! And the Australian ones confuse her also....replied that luckily > > we don't have 52 to worry her. Thought it may just aid you when > searching. > > Denise > > > > > > AL Alabama LA Louisiana OH Ohio > > > snip > > > > >

Hi Kerry It could be worth contacting some of the Genealogical / Family History Societies around you (i.e. Genealogy Sunshine Coast e-mail scgen@bigblue.net.au, Gympie Family History Society Inc. e-mail jnathan@spiderweb.com.au, Cooroy-Noosa Genealogical & Historical Research Group website http://www.genealogy-noosa.org.au or even Genealogical Society of QLD Inc. website http://www.gsq.org.au) to see if perhaps they have any spares or can point you in the right direction. Another possible avenue is to place a "wanted" advert in Australian Family Tree Connections (AFTC http://www.aftc.com.au) which is produced monthly. Good Luck Roz Voullaire roz@voullaire.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [HC] 1883 re review - M/fiche Readers > Hi Roz > > Thanks for your message, I realise now that they can be bought secound hand > much cheaper > I had a look on ebay there was quite a few but were mainly in the UK or the > States. The problem > with second shops they are far and few when not living in the city anymore. > I am stuck up on the > Sunshine Coast like Denise and in Queensland some things are not as easy to > find as in Victoria or > (even un-heard off). > > So if anyone cames across one down there in Vic, would love to hear from > you. > > Kerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roz Voullaire" <roz@voullaire.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] 1883 re review - M/fiche Readers > > > Hi Kerry > > Have you tried second hand stores for a fiche reader? You should be able to > pick one up for a fraction of the cost of a new one. When purchasing mine > several years ago I went armed with some microfiche and tried several > readers out before settling on the one I purchased, which I might add was in > mint condition. > > Kind Regards > > Roz Voullaire > roz@voullaire.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] 1883 re review > > > > Firstly thank you again Denise for you valuable contirbution to this list, > > you deserve a meddle. > > You have given information that has signposts for further research, but > > haven't been able to follow up as yet still overhauling > > the new design for the website. > > Also found out where I could purchase a new fiche reader for $580 plus > > delivery very tempting still thinking about it, > > > > Regards Kerry > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:52 PM > > Subject: [HC] 1883 > > > > > > Time for a review of 1883. (g). > > > > What I would like if you all will indulge me, if the reading of the OMA > is > > as rewarding with snippets and things to chase as it has been to me. > > > > Whilst I know I didn't get everyone's name, perhaps at all, but certainly > > often, I hasten to add that this doesn't mean they are not there. You can > > all see by the names and the articles that I do find, that the smallest of > > items are or could be invaluable. > > > > I personally over the various papers, have found so many exciting things, > > that I have followed thru m myself with investigating PROV or the Library > > and such. I think probably the most rewarding one this year (2004) for me > > was to find a small line or two from a Council report that Hiram and the > > Secretary had compiled a historical profile of the town from 1853-1881. I > > eventually found the full 'book' and that was just a fantastic feeling. > > > > So, if you will indulge me as I said, I see these small things and wonder > if > > they had been of any great assistance. I'd love to hear from all of you, > as > > to what has been found in a snippet and if you have been able to follow > > through to more fruitful conclusion. > > > > Can we send them to the list.......perhaps each may produce more > information > > or even more connections thru descendants. > > > > There are no more fresh papers to read but I no doubt will from time to > time > > have to 'revisit' the films. Happy to hunt out an article for you if you > > know the date of the paper, and again, if it is not too long an article. > I > > must now get Hiram's book to the printer, it's past time. > > > > regards > > Denise > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Roz Thanks for your message, I realise now that they can be bought secound hand much cheaper I had a look on ebay there was quite a few but were mainly in the UK or the States. The problem with second shops they are far and few when not living in the city anymore. I am stuck up on the Sunshine Coast like Denise and in Queensland some things are not as easy to find as in Victoria or (even un-heard off). So if anyone cames across one down there in Vic, would love to hear from you. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Voullaire" <roz@voullaire.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [HC] 1883 re review - M/fiche Readers Hi Kerry Have you tried second hand stores for a fiche reader? You should be able to pick one up for a fraction of the cost of a new one. When purchasing mine several years ago I went armed with some microfiche and tried several readers out before settling on the one I purchased, which I might add was in mint condition. Kind Regards Roz Voullaire roz@voullaire.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [HC] 1883 re review > Firstly thank you again Denise for you valuable contirbution to this list, > you deserve a meddle. > You have given information that has signposts for further research, but > haven't been able to follow up as yet still overhauling > the new design for the website. > Also found out where I could purchase a new fiche reader for $580 plus > delivery very tempting still thinking about it, > > Regards Kerry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:52 PM > Subject: [HC] 1883 > > > Time for a review of 1883. (g). > > What I would like if you all will indulge me, if the reading of the OMA is > as rewarding with snippets and things to chase as it has been to me. > > Whilst I know I didn't get everyone's name, perhaps at all, but certainly > often, I hasten to add that this doesn't mean they are not there. You can > all see by the names and the articles that I do find, that the smallest of > items are or could be invaluable. > > I personally over the various papers, have found so many exciting things, > that I have followed thru m myself with investigating PROV or the Library > and such. I think probably the most rewarding one this year (2004) for me > was to find a small line or two from a Council report that Hiram and the > Secretary had compiled a historical profile of the town from 1853-1881. I > eventually found the full 'book' and that was just a fantastic feeling. > > So, if you will indulge me as I said, I see these small things and wonder if > they had been of any great assistance. I'd love to hear from all of you, as > to what has been found in a snippet and if you have been able to follow > through to more fruitful conclusion. > > Can we send them to the list.......perhaps each may produce more information > or even more connections thru descendants. > > There are no more fresh papers to read but I no doubt will from time to time > have to 'revisit' the films. Happy to hunt out an article for you if you > know the date of the paper, and again, if it is not too long an article. I > must now get Hiram's book to the printer, it's past time. > > regards > Denise > > >

Mrs. John Turner of High Street Beechworth after the 15th prox. be prepared to impart lessons in pianoforte music and singing. Being herself a cultured musician Mrs T is well qualififed to give instruction in the accomplishments mentioned and the number of her pupils will doubtless be large. (Obviously this talent stayed in the family to present day) - Kathy - I'll have to chase Ellen tonight for you. I can't see it right now and I recall it being tucked away in the middle of something else, fat sheet or whatever. Stay tuned Denise

Hi Denise, Probably my best was to find S.Porter,---Butcher. That really set me down. The others were all the snippetts on Christopher Mummery (Snr & Jnr) and daughters's Thanks for all the effort put in. Cheers Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: [HC] 1883 > Time for a review of 1883. (g). > > What I would like if you all will indulge me, if the reading of the OMA is as rewarding with snippets and things to chase as it has been to me. > > Whilst I know I didn't get everyone's name, perhaps at all, but certainly often, I hasten to add that this doesn't mean they are not there. You can all see by the names and the articles that I do find, that the smallest of items are or could be invaluable. > > I personally over the various papers, have found so many exciting things, that I have followed thru m myself with investigating PROV or the Library and such. I think probably the most rewarding one this year (2004) for me was to find a small line or two from a Council report that Hiram and the Secretary had compiled a historical profile of the town from 1853-1881. I eventually found the full 'book' and that was just a fantastic feeling. > > So, if you will indulge me as I said, I see these small things and wonder if they had been of any great assistance. I'd love to hear from all of you, as to what has been found in a snippet and if you have been able to follow through to more fruitful conclusion. > > Can we send them to the list.......perhaps each may produce more information or even more connections thru descendants. > > There are no more fresh papers to read but I no doubt will from time to time have to 'revisit' the films. Happy to hunt out an article for you if you know the date of the paper, and again, if it is not too long an article. I must now get Hiram's book to the printer, it's past time. > > regards > Denise > >

Denise I am not sure if he is our Willie - the age appears wrong. Our one was born 1815/16 where this one was born 1819. I have a feeling that there was another William Jarvis in the area as well. Still it is a good little piece. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: [HC] CHAT William Jarvis - result > Well if Uncle Willie was in that state, probably the 24 hours would have > flown past without his realising where he was. Better than paying the 10/- > I bet. > > long lost relation. > SEQ > > > > > Corryong Court 7/12/1895 > > > > STEALING A TURKEY > > In defence - although Jarvis had attempted to steal the bird, he had > > not gone to Mackay's place with a felonous intent. Too much drink, not > > responsible for his actions. > > Jarvis, 76 years old was severely cautioned by the Bench. > > let off with a fine of 10s or 24hrs. > > > > Chris > > > > > >

Hi Kerry Have you tried second hand stores for a fiche reader? You should be able to pick one up for a fraction of the cost of a new one. When purchasing mine several years ago I went armed with some microfiche and tried several readers out before settling on the one I purchased, which I might add was in mint condition. Kind Regards Roz Voullaire roz@voullaire.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [HC] 1883 re review > Firstly thank you again Denise for you valuable contirbution to this list, > you deserve a meddle. > You have given information that has signposts for further research, but > haven't been able to follow up as yet still overhauling > the new design for the website. > Also found out where I could purchase a new fiche reader for $580 plus > delivery very tempting still thinking about it, > > Regards Kerry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:52 PM > Subject: [HC] 1883 > > > Time for a review of 1883. (g). > > What I would like if you all will indulge me, if the reading of the OMA is > as rewarding with snippets and things to chase as it has been to me. > > Whilst I know I didn't get everyone's name, perhaps at all, but certainly > often, I hasten to add that this doesn't mean they are not there. You can > all see by the names and the articles that I do find, that the smallest of > items are or could be invaluable. > > I personally over the various papers, have found so many exciting things, > that I have followed thru m myself with investigating PROV or the Library > and such. I think probably the most rewarding one this year (2004) for me > was to find a small line or two from a Council report that Hiram and the > Secretary had compiled a historical profile of the town from 1853-1881. I > eventually found the full 'book' and that was just a fantastic feeling. > > So, if you will indulge me as I said, I see these small things and wonder if > they had been of any great assistance. I'd love to hear from all of you, as > to what has been found in a snippet and if you have been able to follow > through to more fruitful conclusion. > > Can we send them to the list.......perhaps each may produce more information > or even more connections thru descendants. > > There are no more fresh papers to read but I no doubt will from time to time > have to 'revisit' the films. Happy to hunt out an article for you if you > know the date of the paper, and again, if it is not too long an article. I > must now get Hiram's book to the printer, it's past time. > > regards > Denise > > >

Well if Uncle Willie was in that state, probably the 24 hours would have flown past without his realising where he was. Better than paying the 10/- I bet. long lost relation. SEQ > Corryong Court 7/12/1895 > > STEALING A TURKEY > In defence - although Jarvis had attempted to steal the bird, he had > not gone to Mackay's place with a felonous intent. Too much drink, not > responsible for his actions. > Jarvis, 76 years old was severely cautioned by the Bench. > let off with a fine of 10s or 24hrs. > > Chris > >

Mary, I hope when you do sort this out (and what a task) we can hear who the driver was! No names mentioned of course if you don't want to but I am intrigued now. I'd love to hear the story. What a girl......go track 'em down. And yes isn't it easy to get off the track when reading! Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > Dear Jenny, > Yes I was aware of the Criminal Records holding the inquest but because I do > not have a name don't know where to start. Incidentally this system of > putting the inquest papers with the court records is not now the case. This > system only lasted at short period although the exact dates are not know by > the person I spoke to at the PRO. But for future research we are trying > to find the dates. > The man in NZ is sure the driver was not arrested over the accident but that > it was all hushed up. There may have been a court case on the > recommendations of the coroner and the driver found not responsible. > Mulling this one over I think it could be the County Court but once again > not sure. > Thanks for your interest, I will keep you posted. > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JnnyB@aol.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > > > > Hello Mary, > > > > Wow! You have been diligent! > > Did you know that if a criminal case arises from a death the inquest can > be found filed in the criminal records? This makes them difficult to find as > they are not on the Inquest Index and you have to know the name of the > accused and follow up their trial to find the inquest. Sounds like this may > be the case with your fellow. > > Keep us posted. We will surely all learn something new. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Jenny Coates > > > > > > >

Thanks Ronda that would be appreciated. I tend to think Kate was indeed a member of the family. I know there were more Sherry's in the Northeast - e.g. Albury district, but whether they were related I dont know. I have enough TROUBLE finding my own Conway's in Ireland without starting on the family one married into the Sherry's. Still it may be something I can tackle one day. I have noticed the death of a Catherine Sherry years before my Catherine Sherry - both in Beechworth, so chances are reasonable to find family. I have always thought Catherine came to Australia and the Beechworth area because her sister lived there - my great-grandmother - but who knows. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronda Shambrook" <shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Sherry - Black Springs > Denise, > From what I remember, it looked like the three all came from the same > family, living the same distance from the school. I have finished looking > thru the correspondence files for Melbourne Road school No. 1740, and I'm > going to attack the building files on my next trip. (I found the Sherry > names in the building file on my first visit). > I will investigate further on my next visit, and will photocopy any of the > original documents/maps showing the Sherry name. Could it be a cousin of the > other two children? That is one thing I noticed with the Hillsborough > school lists, there was often a cousin staying with a family and attending > the school for the duration of their visit. I will definitely get copies of > any maps they have in the building file. > Ronda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Sherry - Black Springs > > > > This Kate Sherry is a mystery. She does not crop up in my tree. I > cannot > > find her birth circa 1870/71/72/73. The other two are OK, got them. > > What can Kate be short for? Catherine (which fits the bill) Katharine, > ??? > > > > Thanks again Ronda, but this Kate has got me beaten for the moment. > > Denise > > > > > > > As I mentioned earlier, residents of Newtown wanted a school built > there, > > and they thought the school at Black Springs should be closed down. > Various > > petitions signed by a number of families were sent in by both groups. I > was > > quickly leafing thru the huge pile of documents. One list of pupils > going > > to the Black Springs school (Melbourne Road No. 1740) included: > > > > > > Sherry, Kate 11yrs 11 months as at 1/1/1883, 1 3/4 miles distance from > > school > > > Sherry, Joseph, 10 yrs 1 month > > > Sherry, Mary Ann, 7 yrs 6 months > > > > > > One of the maps showed the school building, and the location of all > the > > families with children attending or likely to attend. The school was > > located (at this stage) Wangaratta side of the Black Springs bakery. > > > > > > In June of 1883 Agnes Price (6yrs) and Harriet Price (3yrs) attended > from > > Sheepstation Creek - daughters of James Price and Robina Finnie. > > > > > > I need to go back and check the info more thoroughly. > > > > > > Ronda > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Firstly thank you again Denise for you valuable contirbution to this list, you deserve a meddle. You have given information that has signposts for further research, but haven't been able to follow up as yet still overhauling the new design for the website. Also found out where I could purchase a new fiche reader for $580 plus delivery very tempting still thinking about it, Regards Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: [HC] 1883 Time for a review of 1883. (g). What I would like if you all will indulge me, if the reading of the OMA is as rewarding with snippets and things to chase as it has been to me. Whilst I know I didn't get everyone's name, perhaps at all, but certainly often, I hasten to add that this doesn't mean they are not there. You can all see by the names and the articles that I do find, that the smallest of items are or could be invaluable. I personally over the various papers, have found so many exciting things, that I have followed thru m myself with investigating PROV or the Library and such. I think probably the most rewarding one this year (2004) for me was to find a small line or two from a Council report that Hiram and the Secretary had compiled a historical profile of the town from 1853-1881. I eventually found the full 'book' and that was just a fantastic feeling. So, if you will indulge me as I said, I see these small things and wonder if they had been of any great assistance. I'd love to hear from all of you, as to what has been found in a snippet and if you have been able to follow through to more fruitful conclusion. Can we send them to the list.......perhaps each may produce more information or even more connections thru descendants. There are no more fresh papers to read but I no doubt will from time to time have to 'revisit' the films. Happy to hunt out an article for you if you know the date of the paper, and again, if it is not too long an article. I must now get Hiram's book to the printer, it's past time. regards Denise

Dear Denise and list, As you can tell by my postings, I have managed to build up quite a collection on the sporting feats of my Wilberforce family and in the last couple of postings, information on land etc. Unfortunately, I am still doing my mother's father's family, Fogarty's from NSW, and have just been collecting the snippets, but I am sure when I get to the Wilberforces, there will be nuggets of gold in the information that Denise has so kindly and diligently provided to us all. The effort has been amazing and I will not be able to thank Denise enough (maybe if I find her Snow, that will go some way to repaying her. Take a hundred gold stars and an enormous number of kangaroo stamps, Denise

Hi Mary, I agree, you always end up finding out something interesting when you are helping someone else! Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: [HC] RESEARCH > Hello Listers, > Seeing as things are so quiet of late I thought I would relate one of my current projects. It may help some with ideas of how to find information.................and I apologise in advance to those who already know. > I often assist people overseas, interstate or in country areas with obtaining documents from the PRO here in Melbourne, a place I seem to be addicted to. > I recently answered a request from a man in New Zealand who was looking for the inquest/s of his grandparents. He had previous asked lists giving their names but had been told there was nothing on the Inquest CD, and I noted the same. He further quoted newspaper reports of the day which indicated they had been hit by a vehicle driven by an unlicensed 17 year old. He also had his grandfather's death certificate which gave the date of the inquest and the coroner's name. Family stories were that the driver was related to 'a family' and things were kept quiet. > This sounded like an interesting one so I decided to help him and did some further searches on the Inquest CD and found a man with the same first name who had been 'hit by a car' in the same year, however this man's death was not recorded on the Death CD. I wondered if the surname of this inquest could have been a mistake and maybe the name of the driver of the vehicle? (I have found anything is possible). > So off the PRO to view this inquest, which turned out not to the be one we were looking for, but a further example of how diligent we must be when looking for information on our ancestors - i.e. shown on the Inquest CD but not the Death CD. > After talking to the people at the PRO we decided my next course of action was the original Inquest Microform Reel which shows the actual register book that records inquests and the number they are given. The year I was looking for was shown as an alphabetical volume and there was nothing for the surname I was wanting. I next checked the Police Gazette for the relevant year and as the accident had occurred a few days into January and the inquest had been held in the middle of February there were not too many pages to read. However being an incurable "?" I got side tracked so many times reading reports of stolen property, absconders, recent releases of jailed offenders etc. not to mention the lists of Police enlistments and promotions. After two sessions of reading I could find no reference to the accident. (By the way these are indexed and are just wonderful reading) > My next stop was the Coroner's Court here in Melbourne, but unfortunately I did not receive any help there. They simply stated that after 10 years all inquests were sent to the Public Record Office and if it was not there that was it. However I am of the opinion that there must be more there. I believe they would have records of what courts sat on what days and who presided. Juries are often used so a record of their 'call-up' and presence must be somewhere. > I had previously thought it could have been just one of them that had gone through the system unrecorded and may in fact be in a box of inquests around the January/February period for that year, and if I could go through them all may come across it. So with the help of 'Scott' at the PRO I was able to ascertain the Unit Number of two boxes containing inquests for that period. This morning I went to the PRO and viewed both boxes, but the inquest was not there. The inquests are numbered from 0001 at the beginning of each year from when the inquest is held, regardless of the date of death. Unfortunately the first box contained the papers for murders which occurred at the end of the year. Three women were murdered and an American Service man was executed for their deaths all of which was noted the following year and thus recorded there. The photographs were disturbing. > However I did note that there was one number missing and on checking the Inquest CD nothing was issued for that particular number - I wonder if this is the one I want. > My next port of call is Police Records. I noted that they were at the scene of the accident and when I have read previous inquests oftentimes it is a carbon copy in the file so the original must be kept in Police Archives. Because the event occurred less than 75 years ago I may have to go through Freedom of Information. > I will keep you posted of what the final outcome is, and if you have any ideas of research please let me know. > Bye for now, > Mary of Melbourne >

Denise, My first highlight was that William Blewett finally made the Hillsborough cricket team in 1883 - he would have been 28 years old at this time, and had lived at Hillsborough since 1870. Finally, right down the bottom of the list, probably first emergency, after all the Wilberforces was William Blewett. I thought I had roughly tracked the Watersons down from Groomsport, (near Bangor, Northern Ireland) to Evansford, then Osbornes Flat in the late 1870's. The next move (I thought) was to Sutton in 1886, then to Back Creek in about 1892 when Hugh Waterson bought the land Peter Wright had selected. Your find of Hugh Waterson selecting 320 acres of land near Yackandandah was unexpected, and I need to go to the PRO to follow this up. William Price's lost pup from the Black Springs Bakery was also an interesting snippet, but not quite 'up there' with the other two! Many thanks, Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: [HC] 1883 > Time for a review of 1883. (g). > > What I would like if you all will indulge me, if the reading of the OMA is as rewarding with snippets and things to chase as it has been to me. > > Whilst I know I didn't get everyone's name, perhaps at all, but certainly often, I hasten to add that this doesn't mean they are not there. You can all see by the names and the articles that I do find, that the smallest of items are or could be invaluable. > > I personally over the various papers, have found so many exciting things, that I have followed thru m myself with investigating PROV or the Library and such. I think probably the most rewarding one this year (2004) for me was to find a small line or two from a Council report that Hiram and the Secretary had compiled a historical profile of the town from 1853-1881. I eventually found the full 'book' and that was just a fantastic feeling. > > So, if you will indulge me as I said, I see these small things and wonder if they had been of any great assistance. I'd love to hear from all of you, as to what has been found in a snippet and if you have been able to follow through to more fruitful conclusion. > > Can we send them to the list.......perhaps each may produce more information or even more connections thru descendants. > > There are no more fresh papers to read but I no doubt will from time to time have to 'revisit' the films. Happy to hunt out an article for you if you know the date of the paper, and again, if it is not too long an article. I must now get Hiram's book to the printer, it's past time. > > regards > Denise >

Denise, From what I remember, it looked like the three all came from the same family, living the same distance from the school. I have finished looking thru the correspondence files for Melbourne Road school No. 1740, and I'm going to attack the building files on my next trip. (I found the Sherry names in the building file on my first visit). I will investigate further on my next visit, and will photocopy any of the original documents/maps showing the Sherry name. Could it be a cousin of the other two children? That is one thing I noticed with the Hillsborough school lists, there was often a cousin staying with a family and attending the school for the duration of their visit. I will definitely get copies of any maps they have in the building file. Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Sherry - Black Springs > This Kate Sherry is a mystery. She does not crop up in my tree. I cannot > find her birth circa 1870/71/72/73. The other two are OK, got them. > What can Kate be short for? Catherine (which fits the bill) Katharine, ??? > > Thanks again Ronda, but this Kate has got me beaten for the moment. > Denise > > > > As I mentioned earlier, residents of Newtown wanted a school built there, > and they thought the school at Black Springs should be closed down. Various > petitions signed by a number of families were sent in by both groups. I was > quickly leafing thru the huge pile of documents. One list of pupils going > to the Black Springs school (Melbourne Road No. 1740) included: > > > > Sherry, Kate 11yrs 11 months as at 1/1/1883, 1 3/4 miles distance from > school > > Sherry, Joseph, 10 yrs 1 month > > Sherry, Mary Ann, 7 yrs 6 months > > > > One of the maps showed the school building, and the location of all the > families with children attending or likely to attend. The school was > located (at this stage) Wangaratta side of the Black Springs bakery. > > > > In June of 1883 Agnes Price (6yrs) and Harriet Price (3yrs) attended from > Sheepstation Creek - daughters of James Price and Robina Finnie. > > > > I need to go back and check the info more thoroughly. > > > > Ronda > > > > > > >

Hello Glenda, I have copies of what was in the newspapers, both the Age and the Herald as well as the Funeral and death notices. Also have a copy of the death certificate for the man. The accident was 3rd January, 1943. 'Peter' in New Zealand only has the stories his mother told and as per usual he did not listen very well and did not answer questions, something we are all guilty of. She seemed to think the driver's family was rich. They were killed in Hoddle Street, Clifton Hill and the driver said they walked out from behind a stationary bus, and he swerved to miss them. Of course during the course of the inquest he may have been telling the truth and been vindicated of any blame but it still does not explain why the inquest is not there. For a short period around that time inquest records were filed with criminal and/or court papers so they may be there, problem is I do not have a surname of the driver to look under. Thanks for your comments, it stimulates the brain, and yes I do find that any research is good as it oftentimes leads to new lines of thinking and other documents I previously did not know about. Bye for now, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Matthews" <glenda@mattronics.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > Hello Mary, > This research must assist you in the long run as you learn so much from the > chase. Was there anything in any local or even metro papers at the time? > If you have an address, for the location or for the deceased, and it was not > too long ago, a chat to the neighbours might turn something up. Good luck. > Glenda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:27 PM > Subject: [HC] RESEARCH > > > > Hello Listers, > > Seeing as things are so quiet of late I thought I would relate one of my > current projects. It may help some with ideas of how to find > information.................and I apologise in advance to those who already > know. > > I often assist people overseas, interstate or in country areas with > obtaining documents from the PRO here in Melbourne, a place I seem to be > addicted to. > > I recently answered a request from a man in New Zealand who was looking > for the inquest/s of his grandparents. He had previous asked lists giving > their names but had been told there was nothing on the Inquest CD, and I > noted the same. He further quoted newspaper reports of the day which > indicated they had been hit by a vehicle driven by an unlicensed 17 year > old. He also had his grandfather's death certificate which gave the date of > the inquest and the coroner's name. Family stories were that the driver was > related to 'a family' and things were kept quiet. > > This sounded like an interesting one so I decided to help him and did some > further searches on the Inquest CD and found a man with the same first name > who had been 'hit by a car' in the same year, however this man's death was > not recorded on the Death CD. I wondered if the surname of this inquest > could have been a mistake and maybe the name of the driver of the vehicle? > (I have found anything is possible). > > So off the PRO to view this inquest, which turned out not to the be one we > were looking for, but a further example of how diligent we must be when > looking for information on our ancestors - i.e. shown on the Inquest CD but > not the Death CD. > > After talking to the people at the PRO we decided my next course of action > was the original Inquest Microform Reel which shows the actual register book > that records inquests and the number they are given. The year I was looking > for was shown as an alphabetical volume and there was nothing for the > surname I was wanting. I next checked the Police Gazette for the relevant > year and as the accident had occurred a few days into January and the > inquest had been held in the middle of February there were not too many > pages to read. However being an incurable "?" I got side tracked so many > times reading reports of stolen property, absconders, recent releases of > jailed offenders etc. not to mention the lists of Police enlistments and > promotions. After two sessions of reading I could find no reference to the > accident. (By the way these are indexed and are just wonderful reading) > > My next stop was the Coroner's Court here in Melbourne, but unfortunately > I did not receive any help there. They simply stated that after 10 years > all inquests were sent to the Public Record Office and if it was not there > that was it. However I am of the opinion that there must be more there. I > believe they would have records of what courts sat on what days and who > presided. Juries are often used so a record of their 'call-up' and > presence must be somewhere. > > I had previously thought it could have been just one of them that had gone > through the system unrecorded and may in fact be in a box of inquests around > the January/February period for that year, and if I could go through them > all may come across it. So with the help of 'Scott' at the PRO I was able > to ascertain the Unit Number of two boxes containing inquests for that > period. This morning I went to the PRO and viewed both boxes, but the > inquest was not there. The inquests are numbered from 0001 at the beginning > of each year from when the inquest is held, regardless of the date of death. > Unfortunately the first box contained the papers for murders which occurred > at the end of the year. Three women were murdered and an American Service > man was executed for their deaths all of which was noted the following year > and thus recorded there. The photographs were disturbing. > > However I did note that there was one number missing and on checking the > Inquest CD nothing was issued for that particular number - I wonder if this > is the one I want. > > My next port of call is Police Records. I noted that they were at the > scene of the accident and when I have read previous inquests oftentimes it > is a carbon copy in the file so the original must be kept in Police > Archives. Because the event occurred less than 75 years ago I may have to > go through Freedom of Information. > > I will keep you posted of what the final outcome is, and if you have any > ideas of research please let me know. > > Bye for now, > > Mary of Melbourne > > >

Hello Mary, This research must assist you in the long run as you learn so much from the chase. Was there anything in any local or even metro papers at the time? If you have an address, for the location or for the deceased, and it was not too long ago, a chat to the neighbours might turn something up. Good luck. Glenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: [HC] RESEARCH > Hello Listers, > Seeing as things are so quiet of late I thought I would relate one of my current projects. It may help some with ideas of how to find information.................and I apologise in advance to those who already know. > I often assist people overseas, interstate or in country areas with obtaining documents from the PRO here in Melbourne, a place I seem to be addicted to. > I recently answered a request from a man in New Zealand who was looking for the inquest/s of his grandparents. He had previous asked lists giving their names but had been told there was nothing on the Inquest CD, and I noted the same. He further quoted newspaper reports of the day which indicated they had been hit by a vehicle driven by an unlicensed 17 year old. He also had his grandfather's death certificate which gave the date of the inquest and the coroner's name. Family stories were that the driver was related to 'a family' and things were kept quiet. > This sounded like an interesting one so I decided to help him and did some further searches on the Inquest CD and found a man with the same first name who had been 'hit by a car' in the same year, however this man's death was not recorded on the Death CD. I wondered if the surname of this inquest could have been a mistake and maybe the name of the driver of the vehicle? (I have found anything is possible). > So off the PRO to view this inquest, which turned out not to the be one we were looking for, but a further example of how diligent we must be when looking for information on our ancestors - i.e. shown on the Inquest CD but not the Death CD. > After talking to the people at the PRO we decided my next course of action was the original Inquest Microform Reel which shows the actual register book that records inquests and the number they are given. The year I was looking for was shown as an alphabetical volume and there was nothing for the surname I was wanting. I next checked the Police Gazette for the relevant year and as the accident had occurred a few days into January and the inquest had been held in the middle of February there were not too many pages to read. However being an incurable "?" I got side tracked so many times reading reports of stolen property, absconders, recent releases of jailed offenders etc. not to mention the lists of Police enlistments and promotions. After two sessions of reading I could find no reference to the accident. (By the way these are indexed and are just wonderful reading) > My next stop was the Coroner's Court here in Melbourne, but unfortunately I did not receive any help there. They simply stated that after 10 years all inquests were sent to the Public Record Office and if it was not there that was it. However I am of the opinion that there must be more there. I believe they would have records of what courts sat on what days and who presided. Juries are often used so a record of their 'call-up' and presence must be somewhere. > I had previously thought it could have been just one of them that had gone through the system unrecorded and may in fact be in a box of inquests around the January/February period for that year, and if I could go through them all may come across it. So with the help of 'Scott' at the PRO I was able to ascertain the Unit Number of two boxes containing inquests for that period. This morning I went to the PRO and viewed both boxes, but the inquest was not there. The inquests are numbered from 0001 at the beginning of each year from when the inquest is held, regardless of the date of death. Unfortunately the first box contained the papers for murders which occurred at the end of the year. Three women were murdered and an American Service man was executed for their deaths all of which was noted the following year and thus recorded there. The photographs were disturbing. > However I did note that there was one number missing and on checking the Inquest CD nothing was issued for that particular number - I wonder if this is the one I want. > My next port of call is Police Records. I noted that they were at the scene of the accident and when I have read previous inquests oftentimes it is a carbon copy in the file so the original must be kept in Police Archives. Because the event occurred less than 75 years ago I may have to go through Freedom of Information. > I will keep you posted of what the final outcome is, and if you have any ideas of research please let me know. > Bye for now, > Mary of Melbourne

----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: [HC] RESEARCH > Hello Listers, > Seeing as things are so quiet of late I thought I would relate one of my current projects. It may help some with ideas of how to find information.................and I apologise in advance to those who already know. > I often assist people overseas, interstate or in country areas with obtaining documents from the PRO here in Melbourne, a place I seem to be addicted to. > I recently answered a request from a man in New Zealand who was looking for the inquest/s of his grandparents. He had previous asked lists giving their names but had been told there was nothing on the Inquest CD, and I noted the same. He further quoted newspaper reports of the day which indicated they had been hit by a vehicle driven by an unlicensed 17 year old. He also had his grandfather's death certificate which gave the date of the inquest and the coroner's name. Family stories were that the driver was related to 'a family' and things were kept quiet. > This sounded like an interesting one so I decided to help him and did some further searches on the Inquest CD and found a man with the same first name who had been 'hit by a car' in the same year, however this man's death was not recorded on the Death CD. I wondered if the surname of this inquest could have been a mistake and maybe the name of the driver of the vehicle? (I have found anything is possible). > So off the PRO to view this inquest, which turned out not to the be one we were looking for, but a further example of how diligent we must be when looking for information on our ancestors - i.e. shown on the Inquest CD but not the Death CD. > After talking to the people at the PRO we decided my next course of action was the original Inquest Microform Reel which shows the actual register book that records inquests and the number they are given. The year I was looking for was shown as an alphabetical volume and there was nothing for the surname I was wanting. I next checked the Police Gazette for the relevant year and as the accident had occurred a few days into January and the inquest had been held in the middle of February there were not too many pages to read. However being an incurable "?" I got side tracked so many times reading reports of stolen property, absconders, recent releases of jailed offenders etc. not to mention the lists of Police enlistments and promotions. After two sessions of reading I could find no reference to the accident. (By the way these are indexed and are just wonderful reading) > My next stop was the Coroner's Court here in Melbourne, but unfortunately I did not receive any help there. They simply stated that after 10 years all inquests were sent to the Public Record Office and if it was not there that was it. However I am of the opinion that there must be more there. I believe they would have records of what courts sat on what days and who presided. Juries are often used so a record of their 'call-up' and presence must be somewhere. > I had previously thought it could have been just one of them that had gone through the system unrecorded and may in fact be in a box of inquests around the January/February period for that year, and if I could go through them all may come across it. So with the help of 'Scott' at the PRO I was able to ascertain the Unit Number of two boxes containing inquests for that period. This morning I went to the PRO and viewed both boxes, but the inquest was not there. The inquests are numbered from 0001 at the beginning of each year from when the inquest is held, regardless of the date of death. Unfortunately the first box contained the papers for murders which occurred at the end of the year. Three women were murdered and an American Service man was executed for their deaths all of which was noted the following year and thus recorded there. The photographs were disturbing. > However I did note that there was one number missing and on checking the Inquest CD nothing was issued for that particular number - I wonder if this is the one I want. > My next port of call is Police Records. I noted that they were at the scene of the accident and when I have read previous inquests oftentimes it is a carbon copy in the file so the original must be kept in Police Archives. Because the event occurred less than 75 years ago I may have to go through Freedom of Information. > I will keep you posted of what the final outcome is, and if you have any ideas of research please let me know. > Bye for now, > Mary of Melbourne

Dear Jenny, Yes I was aware of the Criminal Records holding the inquest but because I do not have a name don't know where to start. Incidentally this system of putting the inquest papers with the court records is not now the case. This system only lasted at short period although the exact dates are not know by the person I spoke to at the PRO. But for future research we are trying to find the dates. The man in NZ is sure the driver was not arrested over the accident but that it was all hushed up. There may have been a court case on the recommendations of the coroner and the driver found not responsible. Mulling this one over I think it could be the County Court but once again not sure. Thanks for your interest, I will keep you posted. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <JnnyB@aol.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > Hello Mary, > > Wow! You have been diligent! > Did you know that if a criminal case arises from a death the inquest can be found filed in the criminal records? This makes them difficult to find as they are not on the Inquest Index and you have to know the name of the accused and follow up their trial to find the inquest. Sounds like this may be the case with your fellow. > Keep us posted. We will surely all learn something new. > > best wishes, > > Jenny Coates > > >

Hello Listers, Seeing as things are so quiet of late I thought I would relate one of my current projects. It may help some with ideas of how to find information.................and I apologise in advance to those who already know. I often assist people overseas, interstate or in country areas with obtaining documents from the PRO here in Melbourne, a place I seem to be addicted to. I recently answered a request from a man in New Zealand who was looking for the inquest/s of his grandparents. He had previous asked lists giving their names but had been told there was nothing on the Inquest CD, and I noted the same. He further quoted newspaper reports of the day which indicated they had been hit by a vehicle driven by an unlicensed 17 year old. He also had his grandfather's death certificate which gave the date of the inquest and the coroner's name. Family stories were that the driver was related to 'a family' and things were kept quiet. This sounded like an interesting one so I decided to help him and did some further searches on the Inquest CD and found a man with the same first name who had been 'hit by a car' in the same year, however this man's death was not recorded on the Death CD. I wondered if the surname of this inquest could have been a mistake and maybe the name of the driver of the vehicle? (I have found anything is possible). So off the PRO to view this inquest, which turned out not to the be one we were looking for, but a further example of how diligent we must be when looking for information on our ancestors - i.e. shown on the Inquest CD but not the Death CD. After talking to the people at the PRO we decided my next course of action was the original Inquest Microform Reel which shows the actual register book that records inquests and the number they are given. The year I was looking for was shown as an alphabetical volume and there was nothing for the surname I was wanting. I next checked the Police Gazette for the relevant year and as the accident had occurred a few days into January and the inquest had been held in the middle of February there were not too many pages to read. However being an incurable "?" I got side tracked so many times reading reports of stolen property, absconders, recent releases of jailed offenders etc. not to mention the lists of Police enlistments and promotions. After two sessions of reading I could find no reference to the accident. (By the way these are indexed and are just wonderful reading) My next stop was the Coroner's Court here in Melbourne, but unfortunately I did not receive any help there. They simply stated that after 10 years all inquests were sent to the Public Record Office and if it was not there that was it. However I am of the opinion that there must be more there. I believe they would have records of what courts sat on what days and who presided. Juries are often used so a record of their 'call-up' and presence must be somewhere. I had previously thought it could have been just one of them that had gone through the system unrecorded and may in fact be in a box of inquests around the January/February period for that year, and if I could go through them all may come across it. So with the help of 'Scott' at the PRO I was able to ascertain the Unit Number of two boxes containing inquests for that period. This morning I went to the PRO and viewed both boxes, but the inquest was not there. The inquests are numbered from 0001 at the beginning of each year from when the inquest is held, regardless of the date of death. Unfortunately the first box contained the papers for murders which occurred at the end of the year. Three women were murdered and an American Service man was executed for their deaths all of which was noted the following year and thus recorded there. The photographs were disturbing. However I did note that there was one number missing and on checking the Inquest CD nothing was issued for that particular number - I wonder if this is the one I want. My next port of call is Police Records. I noted that they were at the scene of the accident and when I have read previous inquests oftentimes it is a carbon copy in the file so the original must be kept in Police Archives. Because the event occurred less than 75 years ago I may have to go through Freedom of Information. I will keep you posted of what the final outcome is, and if you have any ideas of research please let me know. Bye for now, Mary of Melbourne