An interesting page to look at on a cold Melbourne Sunday afternoon. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/acts/actind.htm The Act of Parliament allowing a man to marry his widow's sister was enacted in 1907 and that the Act to allow a woman to marry her husband's brother (after said husband died!) was enacted in 1921. There must have been any number of illegal marriages before those dates, then! Mary

Dear Glenda, Thanks once again for your interest. I am off to do some more research at the State Library re this case and will let you know how I get on. Bye for now, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Matthews" <glenda@mattronics.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > Mary, > I did a quick search of lists and found the discussion first off. Some more > detail of address so that may be the way to go. Must be something > somewhere. Keep digging. > Glenda > > Hello Glenda, > > I have copies of what was in the newspapers, both the Age and the Herald > as > > well as the Funeral and death notices. Also have a copy of the death

Hi Denise, Sorry, I never explained my self properly, the photo with the smoke is the Nine Mile Hotel, the one of the Austral Alps is the one with the motorbike. It is suppose to be Mrs Reeves and her husband in the photo of the Nine Mile Di ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Glen Wills - Knocker > Di you gave me permission to use a photo of it smoke coming out chimney two > people on verandah, group on the grounds I cant make out if bike or not. > > D > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dianne Carroll" <highcountryheritage@dodo.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Glen Wills - Knocker > > > > Denise, > > The Alps Hotel was also known as the Austral Alps Hotel, somewhere I have > a > > photo of it with a motorbike and sidecar, when it had a shingle roof. It > > features in the Mitta Mitta book from memory and somewhere I have the > > history of it but just can't put my mouse on it! > > > > Have a feeling I may have posted the history of it on the list several > years > > ago, might be worth looking in the archives > > > > Regards Di > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:06 PM > > Subject: [HC] Glen Wills - Knocker > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > Anyone know what year/s the 9 Mile Hotel was open out of Omeo? > > > Likewise the The Alps Hotel at Lightening Creek. > > > > > > Thanks Denise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Di you gave me permission to use a photo of it smoke coming out chimney two people on verandah, group on the grounds I cant make out if bike or not. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Carroll" <highcountryheritage@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Glen Wills - Knocker > Denise, > The Alps Hotel was also known as the Austral Alps Hotel, somewhere I have a > photo of it with a motorbike and sidecar, when it had a shingle roof. It > features in the Mitta Mitta book from memory and somewhere I have the > history of it but just can't put my mouse on it! > > Have a feeling I may have posted the history of it on the list several years > ago, might be worth looking in the archives > > Regards Di > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:06 PM > Subject: [HC] Glen Wills - Knocker > > > > Hi all > > > > Anyone know what year/s the 9 Mile Hotel was open out of Omeo? > > Likewise the The Alps Hotel at Lightening Creek. > > > > Thanks Denise > > > > > > > >

Denise, The Alps Hotel was also known as the Austral Alps Hotel, somewhere I have a photo of it with a motorbike and sidecar, when it had a shingle roof. It features in the Mitta Mitta book from memory and somewhere I have the history of it but just can't put my mouse on it! Have a feeling I may have posted the history of it on the list several years ago, might be worth looking in the archives Regards Di ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: [HC] Glen Wills - Knocker > Hi all > > Anyone know what year/s the 9 Mile Hotel was open out of Omeo? > Likewise the The Alps Hotel at Lightening Creek. > > Thanks Denise > > >

Thanks Di, that gives me a starting point D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Carroll" <highcountryheritage@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: [HC] Nine Mile Hotel > The Nine Mile Hotel was situated on the Omeo - Glen Valley Road, now known > as the Knocker Track. Today the site is marked with a sign "Stayleville". > Originally the building was the home of the Reeves Family and in 1891, the > family decided to have the premises licensed to cater for the passing > travelers. Firstly they applied for an Australian Wine License, but within > two years applied for a full Victuallers License. > The Knocker Track is very much the same today as it was last century and > worthy of a drive. You drive through the Omeo Valley and turn to the left > and proceed through the gate. This track takes you through to the Omeo > Highway, between Glen Wills and the old site of Sunnyside. > Although there is no relics of the site of the Nine Mile Hotel to be found > today, older resident in the district can vividly remember the old chimney > standing at the site some forty years ago. > >

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The Nine Mile Hotel was situated on the Omeo - Glen Valley Road, now known as the Knocker Track. Today the site is marked with a sign "Stayleville". Originally the building was the home of the Reeves Family and in 1891, the family decided to have the premises licensed to cater for the passing travelers. Firstly they applied for an Australian Wine License, but within two years applied for a full Victuallers License. The Knocker Track is very much the same today as it was last century and worthy of a drive. You drive through the Omeo Valley and turn to the left and proceed through the gate. This track takes you through to the Omeo Highway, between Glen Wills and the old site of Sunnyside. Although there is no relics of the site of the Nine Mile Hotel to be found today, older resident in the district can vividly remember the old chimney standing at the site some forty years ago.

Hi all Anyone know what year/s the 9 Mile Hotel was open out of Omeo? Likewise the The Alps Hotel at Lightening Creek. Thanks Denise

T'was b/w Xmas & New Year All staff on annual leave.... DOO On Saturday, July 17, 2004, at 02:39 PM, Denise wrote: > What? No C and C? > > HQ > >

Hi all, I'm cleaning out my bookcase and find I have no real need any longer for two books by Graham Jones (dec'd). (I guess I'll regret this one day). Before Ebay I want to give those on the list a chance. First one is "There Was a Time" by Graham Jones - limited edition of 1000 copies. A Shire of Wangaratta Bi-Centenary Celebration. Mine is in excellent condition like new. If anyone in the SEQld area and is happy to collect from me I am looking at $40. If further afield - add postage. ----- The second book is "Memories of Oxley" an absolutely fabulous book. It was second hand when I got it and again is in excellent condition, like new. For anyone with an interest in the area, I recommend this book. It is FULL of names and histories of families. I am happy to get $30.00 from locals who collect otherwise plus postage. Please email privately if interested, to save clogging up the airways. regards Denise

What? No C and C? HQ

Hi all Is anyone chasing Fred Herman, a German?? Lived in a tent & eaked out a livelihood by digging on Wheeler's Creek. Died a lonely death near the junction of the Zulu and Wheeler's Creeks in 1895. By the time a Constable was able to reach him it was impossible to go thru the formality of a magisterial inquiry on account of the advanced stage of decomposition of the body, or to convey it to a cemetery on account of the rough track and the distance the body lay from vehicular aid. He was buried on the spot.... Chris

Hello Mary pp, Nice to hear you are back on line, hope things will continue to improve for you. I sent this message a couple of weeks ago - any interest. Mary of Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: [HC] KYLE > Dear Mary, > Have you any interest in the KYLE family from Wallan Wallan - John & wife Elizabeth. Possibly had a son John and a William. > I typed up some things I saw at the PRO on Monday. > Let me know if you are interested. > Mary of Melbourne > > >

I am interested in any information on a Michael Maloney a Brewer of Wangaratta circa 1875. I am interested to know if he married and who to and if he had any siblings in the Wangaratta area. Regards Judy

Thanks again boss pp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 9:10 PM Subject: [HC] OMA Hi All, Is it a long weekend in Victoria or are you all tucked up in front of a fire? The list is so quiet. I"ve been busy on other matters these past few nights but now back to finish the last few weeks of 1883. -11.12.83 Tom Thumb was a Knight Templar. He was the shortest knight in the world - shorter even than the night of June 21. - Murmungee cricket include J E Burbank c Walter Wilberforce b Finnie A Jessop c and b Griffin E Jessop b Finnie G Calgleish run out A McLeod sub., b Finnie J Cummins sub., c Robertson, b Griffin Gillan b Finnie H Elmer not out J Bigelow sub., c Flood b Griffin Second innings (names not mentioned above) J Wilberforce Will. Wilberforce Hillsborough first innings A Welshman G Wilberforce Griffin McCarthy Flood J Finnie J Wilberforce Blewitt (no initial Blow it , sorry, got to do something while reading all this (g)) - Land Application at Tallangatta to be held 20t December - am putting these in now, just in case the results don't get into the paper before end of year. James McGill 156 acres Between Goldsworthy's and Rowley's holdings Berringa. John Mitchell 20 acres south of J Goldsworthy's holding Upper Murray Rd Berringa 13.12.1883 The railway line to Myrtleford was completed 'today'. It was officially opened by the Minister of Railways. - Licenses renewed/granted. ( liquor licenses.) George Rae Allen's Flat. A transfer of license from J M Cole to Helen McIntyre of Yack. - People selling fat cattle fat sheep fat calves fat lambs and store cattle for the Christmas trade at J H Gray & Co. 19th December O'Donnell Merriang Mc'Aliece Oxley Kelly Mitta M Reid Oxley H A Crawford Whorouly M Welsh Whorouly J Lampitt Kiewa M O'Donnell Merriang Mrs Mackay The Grange J Sutcliffe Wooragee H A Crawford Piney Ranges. Gee I wish he wouldn't do this to me, what's he been up to now. J Kendall Basin Creek G Beatty Osborne's Flat W Fisher Jnr W Henry Bowman's Forest - publican's license Wangaratta Silas Porter Royal Victoria Hotel - 15/12/83 Beechworth Police Court M and T Dodd v Patrick Reardon Fraud summons - ordered to be paid in monthly instalments of £1. - £5.3.6 John Hines v James Hamel claim of 17/6d ordered to pay John Brown charged with using obscene language in a public place was fined £10 or 3 months imprisonment - fine was NOT paid. Went away, not to far, for a Xmas holiday . - H R Tilt, Registrar of Marriages Rowan st Wangaratta. - Handicaps for the Two mile maiden at Boxing Day sports. happy to backtrack for names and distance - two days offer. Thompson, Osborne Jeffs McLean 3 Mile - Stassen Cooper Thompson Maloney Osborne Taylor. Two mile - Cooper Thompson Osborne Stassen Maloney Taylor. - Jeremiah McCormick of Greta granted hawkers and pedlars licenses - Leaving - Mr J E Burbank having disposed of his fourth share in the Jaybird Reef at the Sugarload Bowman's Forest to Jas Kyle at a satisfactory price will leave Beechworth for Queensland where he has obtained employed as an engineer. -

PP is back at her desk, after a couple of health problems and a blown up monitor. Many thanks again Boss for these pp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:09 PM Subject: [HC] OMA 15.12.1883 Just in case PP has returned to her desk.... Beechworth SSchool again has a Xmas break up. Master C Beck who possesses a nice voice in his song "Kiss me and I'll go to sleep" elicited a storm of applause and showers of bouquets and had to reappear in response to a heartily expressed encore when he repeated the last verse. - License approved - James L Wilberforce 319 a Bruarong. - 20.12.83 A very destructive fire took place at Bowman's Forest on Tuesday afternoon. About half past one o'clock the kitchen chimney attached to the brick building occupied as a general store and dwelling house by Mr. Christopher Mummery and containing 8 rooms caught fire. Mrs. M. and her niece who were the only ones home extinguished the fire with the assistance of a nephew who noticed the blaze when passing. Two hours later when engaged in whitewashing the walls of one of the front rooms (making preparations for Christmas-tide) Mrs. M's attention was called by her niece to a strange sound in the store. Flames were bursting thru the ceiling of the storeroom at a point underneath the gutter of the double roof which was shingled. Exercising all haste Mrs. M and her two assistants go out the store books (except one) and a quantity of clothing and bedding; but so rapidly did the fire spread that nothing further was saved and the large store and its contents were soon a mass of smoking ruins. Insured in the Norwich Union Co. for £300 the stock for £800 and the household furniture for £100. Mrs M accounts for the fire by the presumption that a cinder from the burning chimney alighted on the singles unnoticed. Her husband had been absent fro the past week bringing a large flock of sheep from Albury and only learned the news of his misfortune on his arrival in B/worth on Wednesday. He estimates the loss as a serious one as he says that within the last two months he took stock and valued it at £1330 and his furniture at £250. - P Frauenfelder fined 10/- for not registering his dog/s - James Kyle wins tender for erection of a new dining hall at the Benevolent Asylum - ). - PP again, Andrew Beck is now prepared to supply his Patent Grape Crusher the most perfect hand machine yet out. Send for circular. A Beck Beechworth. PP - doesn't this follow on with some award at some show earlier in 1883? - Mel for you - D Jeffs of High St has a staunch draught horse an dray for sale. - Beechworth Grammar School sorts to celebrate breaking up for Christmas. happy to check names - 2 days. A Thompson R Hayes R Nolan Conisbee C Perry R O'Donnell T Brown H O'Brien P Goldworthy W Gammon G Perry W Foster M Sharp C Harridge A Perry J Page RClements F Brett W O'Connor F Warden R Dodd A Chenhall C Richter - Prizes present at BGS Gammon Thomas Zincke Perry Campbell Geddes Chenhall 'Donnell Foster STevens Conisbee Fox Davidson Campbell Moore Ryan Perry Baber Wertheim Harridge Fox Porter Connolly The same names over and over in various classes. - The colour of the Vict. 2d stamp has been changed. Was brown, now mauve. - Prizes for pupils at Mrs. Tanswells private school. Margaret Mackenzie Elizabeth Tanswell Fanny Bacon Oliver Jones Miss Hines George Hines John Hines Annie Armstrong. -= Probate of the will of Mrs. Ellen Kelly late of Everton, £735. - Commercial Hotel Everton Geo. E Groves formerly Post and telegraph master at B/worth £352 - List of November subscriptions Ovens Hospital 1883. NSW - happy to look for name - 2 day offer John J O'Brien Myall Plains 1/1/- B/worth shire- H J Rowe - Beechworth 5/- - Kathy this must be our "Rowe" Henry who took on the Star Hotel by 90s. Yack shire - G P H Gehrig Barnawartha Vineyard. names from the vineyard C Keiser B Muller Emil Luzelschwabe Paul Koshel. Phillip H Gehrig Rocky Point. names from his list G Milford, John Schweizer, -Vielle , -Collins, D DeMestre Patrick Lyons. - names involved in Beechworth Boxing Day Sports - Their name and colours. Malloy P Green and blue from B/worth F O Warden from B/worth - no colour Walter F West Wangaratta - Black and gold John Kennedy Chiltern - no colour Geo Bruce B/worth White and spotted red black and white Joseph V Cook Tarrawingee Pink and Black W H O'Brien of Sydney (late of B/worth) no colour F Duffy Chiltern Blue and white J McMaster Myrtleford White and Crimson C F Duchatel Albury Puce the rest have no colours Geo Irvine Chiltern W H Martin Chiltern John Yoxall B/worth Alex McLeod STanley - Recipes - Cheap Summer Drinks. Apple Water - Slice some well flavored apples in a large jug, they need to be neither peeled nor cored. Add 3 or 4 cloves and a strip of lemon peel and pour boiling water over. Let is stand 24 hours. Drinkable in 12 hours or less. Ginger Beer recipe too if anyone interested along with currant water, Raspberry acid, rice or barley drink. - 25.12.83 Licenses for publicans granted Thomas Ellen British Hotel 3 Mile. Murmungee Hotel renewed in the name of Jane Haworth nee Jane ALLEN - Christmas Eve in Beechworth 1883 Beechworth presented a most animated appearance. The town was brilliantly lighted; various places of business were kept open and their owners did a busy trade among the townspeople and visitors who thronged the streets. It was pleasant to hear the oft expressed wishes of "a merry Christmas' and 'compliments of the season to you' and to witness the warm greetings as friend met friend; and all among the well dressed crowd appeared to forget the cares and anxieties of every day life in the pleasure it felt at this festive season, when the thought uppermost in people's minds is as it s hould be one of "Peace good will toward men"> - THE END of 1883.

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Mary, I did a quick search of lists and found the discussion first off. Some more detail of address so that may be the way to go. Must be something somewhere. Keep digging. Glenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > Hello Glenda, > I have copies of what was in the newspapers, both the Age and the Herald as > well as the Funeral and death notices. Also have a copy of the death > certificate for the man. The accident was 3rd January, 1943. 'Peter' in > New Zealand only has the stories his mother told and as per usual he did not > listen very well and did not answer questions, something we are all guilty > of. She seemed to think the driver's family was rich. > They were killed in Hoddle Street, Clifton Hill and the driver said they > walked out from behind a stationary bus, and he swerved to miss them. > Of course during the course of the inquest he may have been telling the > truth and been vindicated of any blame but it still does not explain why the > inquest is not there. For a short period around that time inquest records > were filed with criminal and/or court papers so they may be there, problem > is I do not have a surname of the driver to look under. > Thanks for your comments, it stimulates the brain, and yes I do find that > any research is good as it oftentimes leads to new lines of thinking and > other documents I previously did not know about. > Bye for now, > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenda Matthews" <glenda@mattronics.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > > > > Hello Mary, > > This research must assist you in the long run as you learn so much from > the > > chase. Was there anything in any local or even metro papers at the time? > > If you have an address, for the location or for the deceased, and it was > not > > too long ago, a chat to the neighbours might turn something up. Good > luck. > > Glenda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:27 PM > > Subject: [HC] RESEARCH > > > > > > > Hello Listers, > > > Seeing as things are so quiet of late I thought I would relate one of my > > current projects. It may help some with ideas of how to find > > information.................and I apologise in advance to those who > already > > know. > > > I often assist people overseas, interstate or in country areas with > > obtaining documents from the PRO here in Melbourne, a place I seem to be > > addicted to. > > > I recently answered a request from a man in New Zealand who was looking > > for the inquest/s of his grandparents. He had previous asked lists > giving > > their names but had been told there was nothing on the Inquest CD, and I > > noted the same. He further quoted newspaper reports of the day which > > indicated they had been hit by a vehicle driven by an unlicensed 17 year > > old. He also had his grandfather's death certificate which gave the date > of > > the inquest and the coroner's name. Family stories were that the driver > was > > related to 'a family' and things were kept quiet. > > > This sounded like an interesting one so I decided to help him and did > some > > further searches on the Inquest CD and found a man with the same first > name > > who had been 'hit by a car' in the same year, however this man's death was > > not recorded on the Death CD. I wondered if the surname of this inquest > > could have been a mistake and maybe the name of the driver of the vehicle? > > (I have found anything is possible). > > > So off the PRO to view this inquest, which turned out not to the be one > we > > were looking for, but a further example of how diligent we must be when > > looking for information on our ancestors - i.e. shown on the Inquest CD > but > > not the Death CD. > > > After talking to the people at the PRO we decided my next course of > action > > was the original Inquest Microform Reel which shows the actual register > book > > that records inquests and the number they are given. The year I was > looking > > for was shown as an alphabetical volume and there was nothing for the > > surname I was wanting. I next checked the Police Gazette for the relevant > > year and as the accident had occurred a few days into January and the > > inquest had been held in the middle of February there were not too many > > pages to read. However being an incurable "?" I got side tracked so many > > times reading reports of stolen property, absconders, recent releases of > > jailed offenders etc. not to mention the lists of Police enlistments and > > promotions. After two sessions of reading I could find no reference to > the > > accident. (By the way these are indexed and are just wonderful reading) > > > My next stop was the Coroner's Court here in Melbourne, but > unfortunately > > I did not receive any help there. They simply stated that after 10 years > > all inquests were sent to the Public Record Office and if it was not there > > that was it. However I am of the opinion that there must be more there. > I > > believe they would have records of what courts sat on what days and who > > presided. Juries are often used so a record of their 'call-up' and > > presence must be somewhere. > > > I had previously thought it could have been just one of them that had > gone > > through the system unrecorded and may in fact be in a box of inquests > around > > the January/February period for that year, and if I could go through them > > all may come across it. So with the help of 'Scott' at the PRO I was able > > to ascertain the Unit Number of two boxes containing inquests for that > > period. This morning I went to the PRO and viewed both boxes, but the > > inquest was not there. The inquests are numbered from 0001 at the > beginning > > of each year from when the inquest is held, regardless of the date of > death. > > Unfortunately the first box contained the papers for murders which > occurred > > at the end of the year. Three women were murdered and an American Service > > man was executed for their deaths all of which was noted the following > year > > and thus recorded there. The photographs were disturbing. > > > However I did note that there was one number missing and on checking the > > Inquest CD nothing was issued for that particular number - I wonder if > this > > is the one I want. > > > My next port of call is Police Records. I noted that they were at the > > scene of the accident and when I have read previous inquests oftentimes it > > is a carbon copy in the file so the original must be kept in Police > > Archives. Because the event occurred less than 75 years ago I may have to > > go through Freedom of Information. > > > I will keep you posted of what the final outcome is, and if you have any > > ideas of research please let me know. > > > Bye for now, > > > Mary of Melbourne > > > > > >

Hi Mary, This sure is a difficult one. Hoddle Street Clifton Hill really narrows it down (g). Were there any local newspapers at that time? I know that "local" papers did go out of favour due to the dailies, but there might have been some sort of local newssheet. Probably no names published either, though. What about Local Government of the day - which council would it have been under then? Difficult to look up those court papers, if any, with no name. Could you ask a retired lawyer what sort of lists of cases were produced with perhaps more detail than what was the published list in the paper and if those still exist to be searched. Otherwise, if you know what part of Hoddle street, it might be worth a visit to see if anyone from that time still lives there, or if anyone knows someone who lived there then. Is there a List where you could put out a request - of course none as good as HC, but worth a try. We will all be interested to see if you get anywhere with this. Good Luck. Glenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > Hello Glenda, > I have copies of what was in the newspapers, both the Age and the Herald as > well as the Funeral and death notices. Also have a copy of the death > certificate for the man. The accident was 3rd January, 1943. 'Peter' in > New Zealand only has the stories his mother told and as per usual he did not > listen very well and did not answer questions, something we are all guilty > of. She seemed to think the driver's family was rich. > They were killed in Hoddle Street, Clifton Hill and the driver said they > walked out from behind a stationary bus, and he swerved to miss them. > Of course during the course of the inquest he may have been telling the > truth and been vindicated of any blame but it still does not explain why the > inquest is not there. For a short period around that time inquest records > were filed with criminal and/or court papers so they may be there, problem > is I do not have a surname of the driver to look under. > Thanks for your comments, it stimulates the brain, and yes I do find that > any research is good as it oftentimes leads to new lines of thinking and > other documents I previously did not know about. > Bye for now, > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenda Matthews" <glenda@mattronics.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] RESEARCH > > > > Hello Mary, > > This research must assist you in the long run as you learn so much from > the > > chase. Was there anything in any local or even metro papers at the time? > > If you have an address, for the location or for the deceased, and it was > not > > too long ago, a chat to the neighbours might turn something up. Good > luck. > > Glenda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:27 PM > > Subject: [HC] RESEARCH > > > > > > > Hello Listers, > > > Seeing as things are so quiet of late I thought I would relate one of my > > current projects. It may help some with ideas of how to find > > information.................and I apologise in advance to those who > already > > know. > > > I often assist people overseas, interstate or in country areas with > > obtaining documents from the PRO here in Melbourne, a place I seem to be > > addicted to. > > > I recently answered a request from a man in New Zealand who was looking > > for the inquest/s of his grandparents. He had previous asked lists > giving > > their names but had been told there was nothing on the Inquest CD, and I > > noted the same. He further quoted newspaper reports of the day which > > indicated they had been hit by a vehicle driven by an unlicensed 17 year > > old. He also had his grandfather's death certificate which gave the date > of > > the inquest and the coroner's name. Family stories were that the driver > was > > related to 'a family' and things were kept quiet. > > > This sounded like an interesting one so I decided to help him and did > some > > further searches on the Inquest CD and found a man with the same first > name > > who had been 'hit by a car' in the same year, however this man's death was > > not recorded on the Death CD. I wondered if the surname of this inquest > > could have been a mistake and maybe the name of the driver of the vehicle? > > (I have found anything is possible). > > > So off the PRO to view this inquest, which turned out not to the be one > we > > were looking for, but a further example of how diligent we must be when > > looking for information on our ancestors - i.e. shown on the Inquest CD > but > > not the Death CD. > > > After talking to the people at the PRO we decided my next course of > action > > was the original Inquest Microform Reel which shows the actual register > book > > that records inquests and the number they are given. The year I was > looking > > for was shown as an alphabetical volume and there was nothing for the > > surname I was wanting. I next checked the Police Gazette for the relevant > > year and as the accident had occurred a few days into January and the > > inquest had been held in the middle of February there were not too many > > pages to read. However being an incurable "?" I got side tracked so many > > times reading reports of stolen property, absconders, recent releases of > > jailed offenders etc. not to mention the lists of Police enlistments and > > promotions. After two sessions of reading I could find no reference to > the > > accident. (By the way these are indexed and are just wonderful reading) > > > My next stop was the Coroner's Court here in Melbourne, but > unfortunately > > I did not receive any help there. They simply stated that after 10 years > > all inquests were sent to the Public Record Office and if it was not there > > that was it. However I am of the opinion that there must be more there. > I > > believe they would have records of what courts sat on what days and who > > presided. Juries are often used so a record of their 'call-up' and > > presence must be somewhere. > > > I had previously thought it could have been just one of them that had > gone > > through the system unrecorded and may in fact be in a box of inquests > around > > the January/February period for that year, and if I could go through them > > all may come across it. So with the help of 'Scott' at the PRO I was able > > to ascertain the Unit Number of two boxes containing inquests for that > > period. This morning I went to the PRO and viewed both boxes, but the > > inquest was not there. The inquests are numbered from 0001 at the > beginning > > of each year from when the inquest is held, regardless of the date of > death. > > Unfortunately the first box contained the papers for murders which > occurred > > at the end of the year. Three women were murdered and an American Service > > man was executed for their deaths all of which was noted the following > year > > and thus recorded there. The photographs were disturbing. > > > However I did note that there was one number missing and on checking the > > Inquest CD nothing was issued for that particular number - I wonder if > this > > is the one I want. > > > My next port of call is Police Records. I noted that they were at the > > scene of the accident and when I have read previous inquests oftentimes it > > is a carbon copy in the file so the original must be kept in Police > > Archives. Because the event occurred less than 75 years ago I may have to > > go through Freedom of Information. > > > I will keep you posted of what the final outcome is, and if you have any > > ideas of research please let me know. > > > Bye for now, > > > Mary of Melbourne > > > > > >