OOPS Sorry Merren, I meant to say that she was born in Running Creek in 1877 not Bright. I am not sure how much further away I could have got!!!! Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert James Crowe" <crowerj@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Blacks > Hello Merren, > > Rachel Maude was born in Bright, her father Joseph McCulloch emigrated > from Ireland in about 1859, he was born in 1832 in Newry, County Down, > Ireland. He married Mary Twist in 1863. Information prior to that is a > little sketchy at this stage. > > cheers > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merren Cliff" <mcliff@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:23 PM > Subject: RE: [HC] Blacks > > >> Hi Robert >> >> Interested in your Rachel Maud McCulloch. Is she from Scotland or >> Ireland? We have irish McCulloughs who have been spelt differently in >> some places. They migrated from County Down from 1850s on to >> Yackandandah area. >> >> Cheers >> >> Merren >> >>> James Black b 23/12/1869 Running Creek, d 26/4/1939 m Rachel Maude >> McCulloch 1899 (my great grandmother) >> > >

Hello Merren, Rachel Maude was born in Bright, her father Joseph McCulloch emigrated from Ireland in about 1859, he was born in 1832 in Newry, County Down, Ireland. He married Mary Twist in 1863. Information prior to that is a little sketchy at this stage. cheers Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merren Cliff" <mcliff@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Blacks > Hi Robert > > Interested in your Rachel Maud McCulloch. Is she from Scotland or > Ireland? We have irish McCulloughs who have been spelt differently in > some places. They migrated from County Down from 1850s on to > Yackandandah area. > > Cheers > > Merren > >> James Black b 23/12/1869 Running Creek, d 26/4/1939 m Rachel Maude > McCulloch 1899 (my great grandmother) >

You are on one of the best lists Robert, everyone is very helpful. It's been very quiet of late, I wondered if everyone had unsubbed (G). Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert James Crowe" <crowerj@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Blacks > Absolutely fabulous - thanks heaps Peter > > You are right this will keep me busy for a little while. I knew some of > them were buried at Yackandandah, but there were more than I had bargained > on. > > Let me say that my first dabble into list messages has been very positive > and definately very helpful - I say this as a relative newbie to family > history. > > thanks again > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [HC] Blacks > > >> At Yackandandah Cemetery are the following (all except one are in the >> Pres >> Sectn)... >> >> >

Absolutely fabulous - thanks heaps Peter You are right this will keep me busy for a little while. I knew some of them were buried at Yackandandah, but there were more than I had bargained on. Let me say that my first dabble into list messages has been very positive and definately very helpful - I say this as a relative newbie to family history. thanks again Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Blacks > At Yackandandah Cemetery are the following (all except one are in the Pres > Sectn)... > >

thanks Denise, I don't believe these are any of 'my' Blacks - yet! I will keep a note of the names and see if they crop up anywhere. thanks again robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Blacks > Robert hello. > > In Tallangatta Cemetery there is John Black (parents unknown) who died > 8.12.1881 - aged 57 years. > > Others - Ernest Edward , Ethel Maude, Jean Longmore and Thomas - all > buried in 1900s. > > If you want these more recent ones, please get in touch privately. > regards > Denise > > Ballyshannon Ireland d 1917 Tawonga buried ? his wife was Elizabeth > Aitken Wyper b 10/1/1836 Linlithgow Scotland d 18/3/1906 Tawonga buried at > Yack? Is her husband buried with her? as he is not listed on the > headstone. >> >> The following were there children - some are found others are not - yet! >> >> Alexander Black b 7/10/1860 Bowna, Victoria, d 1939 Never married >> Annie Aitken Black b 1862 Happy Valley, Victoria, d 1945. m William >> Taylor >> John Wyper Black b 9/6/1864 d 27/3/1938 m Isobel Celestian Barton b >> 4/9/1880 d 19/3/1942 >> Isabella Jane Black b 1866 Avenel d 21/6/1935 Wangaratta. >> William Black b 15/8/1868 Morses Creek, Victoria d 1868 >> James Black b 23/12/1869 Running Creek, d 26/4/1939 m Rachel Maude >> McCulloch 1899 (my great grandmother) >> Robert Nimmo Black b 24/2/1872 Running Creek d 23/10/1938 >> David Henry Black 19/3/1877 d 1879 Yackandandah. >> Elizabeth Black b 16/5/1881 Yackandandah d 22/12/1950 Wangaratta m >> William Pool Thompson 1919 >> >> Thanks for taking the time for reading, as this is my first attempt at >> posting, any suggestions for future would be also appreciated. >> >> Regards >> Robert >> > >

Hi Robert Interested in your Rachel Maud McCulloch. Is she from Scotland or Ireland? We have irish McCulloughs who have been spelt differently in some places. They migrated from County Down from 1850s on to Yackandandah area. Cheers Merren -----Original Message----- From: Robert James Crowe [mailto:crowerj@dodo.com.au] Sent: Monday, 27 September 2004 9:28 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Blacks Hello List, Although I have been watching and reading the list for several months, I thought it about time that I posted my interest. Some of my names are common and already being researched by others, but any assistance is still appreciated. Here goes: William Conibear b 1894 England d 1947 Tallangatta buried Kergunyah m Elizabeth Mary Black b 1902 d 1963 Thologolong buried Kergunyah. My main interest is in the Black line as it would seem they were mostly born in or around Yack and are buried at Yack. I have lost a couple of them namely John Alexander Black b 1833 Ballyshannon Ireland d 1917 Tawonga buried ? his wife was Elizabeth Aitken Wyper b 10/1/1836 Linlithgow Scotland d 18/3/1906 Tawonga buried at Yack? Is her husband buried with her? as he is not listed on the headstone. The following were there children - some are found others are not - yet! Alexander Black b 7/10/1860 Bowna, Victoria, d 1939 Never married Annie Aitken Black b 1862 Happy Valley, Victoria, d 1945. m William Taylor John Wyper Black b 9/6/1864 d 27/3/1938 m Isobel Celestian Barton b 4/9/1880 d 19/3/1942 Isabella Jane Black b 1866 Avenel d 21/6/1935 Wangaratta. William Black b 15/8/1868 Morses Creek, Victoria d 1868 James Black b 23/12/1869 Running Creek, d 26/4/1939 m Rachel Maude McCulloch 1899 (my great grandmother) Robert Nimmo Black b 24/2/1872 Running Creek d 23/10/1938 David Henry Black 19/3/1877 d 1879 Yackandandah. Elizabeth Black b 16/5/1881 Yackandandah d 22/12/1950 Wangaratta m William Pool Thompson 1919 Thanks for taking the time for reading, as this is my first attempt at posting, any suggestions for future would be also appreciated. Regards Robert --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 17/09/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 17/09/2004

At Yackandandah Cemetery are the following (all except one are in the Pres Sectn)... John BLACK, aged 86, b'd 11 May 1917, Pres Sctn, Row 8, grave 9, has h/s but not inscribed with his name, informant recorded as Alec Black. Elizabeth BLACK, aged 70, b'd 19/3/1906, Row 8, grave 8, h/s. John Wyper B, 73, 28/3/1938, Row 8, grave 21, no h/s. Robert Nimmo B, 66, 24/10/1938, Row 15, grave 3, h/s. Alexander B, 78, 27/1/1939, Row 7, grave 2, no h/s. Isabella Jane B, 68, 22/6/1935, Row 8, grave 10, h/s. David Henry B, 11 months, 9/5/1879, unmarked grave uncertain but I believe Row 11, grave 13 or 14. Elizabeth THOMPSON (nee BLACK), 69, 23/12/1950, Row 5, grave 15, h/s. (her husband in the same grave). There is also... Edward B, 9, 28/1/1872, s/o George BLACK & Ellen LYONS), Pres grave unknown. Elizabeth TAYLOR, 6, 1891 of Tawonga, d/o William TAYLOR and Annie Aitken BLACK, possibly in Row 8, grave 7, no h/s. Eric (Val) BLACK, 19, 6/1/1929, laborer, of Kiewa, s/o Robert Nimmo BLACK and Catherine Martha MURPHY, motorcycle accident, Row 5, grave 7, h/s. Catherine Martha BLACK (nee MURPHY), 71, 4/6/1949, d/o James MURPHY and Catherine Anne CUNNINGHAM, b/d in Methodist Sectn Row 9, grave 23, h/s. Annie Aitken TAYLOR (nee BLACK), 83, 14/4/1945, d/o John BLACK and Elizabeth WYPER, of Kancoona, Pres Row 22, grave 5, no h/s. Ivy Isobel DUFFETT, 66, 3/6/1960, d/o William TAYLOR and Annie Aitken BLACK), of Wooragee East, Pres Row 25, grave 2, h/s. Should keep you busy for a while! Let me know if you'd like photos of any of these emailed off-list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert James Crowe" <crowerj@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: [HC] Blacks > Hello List, > > Although I have been watching and reading the list for several months, I thought it about time that I posted my interest. Some of my names are common and already being researched by others, but any assistance is still appreciated. > > Here goes: > > William Conibear b 1894 England d 1947 Tallangatta buried Kergunyah m Elizabeth Mary Black b 1902 d 1963 Thologolong buried Kergunyah. > > My main interest is in the Black line as it would seem they were mostly born in or around Yack and are buried at Yack. > > I have lost a couple of them namely John Alexander Black b 1833 Ballyshannon Ireland d 1917 Tawonga buried ? his wife was Elizabeth Aitken Wyper b 10/1/1836 Linlithgow Scotland d 18/3/1906 Tawonga buried at Yack? Is her husband buried with her? as he is not listed on the headstone. > > The following were there children - some are found others are not - yet! > > Alexander Black b 7/10/1860 Bowna, Victoria, d 1939 Never married > Annie Aitken Black b 1862 Happy Valley, Victoria, d 1945. m William Taylor > John Wyper Black b 9/6/1864 d 27/3/1938 m Isobel Celestian Barton b 4/9/1880 d 19/3/1942 > Isabella Jane Black b 1866 Avenel d 21/6/1935 Wangaratta. > William Black b 15/8/1868 Morses Creek, Victoria d 1868 > James Black b 23/12/1869 Running Creek, d 26/4/1939 m Rachel Maude McCulloch 1899 (my great grandmother) > Robert Nimmo Black b 24/2/1872 Running Creek d 23/10/1938 > David Henry Black 19/3/1877 d 1879 Yackandandah. > Elizabeth Black b 16/5/1881 Yackandandah d 22/12/1950 Wangaratta m William Pool Thompson 1919 > > Thanks for taking the time for reading, as this is my first attempt at posting, any suggestions for future would be also appreciated. > > Regards > Robert >

Robert hello. In Tallangatta Cemetery there is John Black (parents unknown) who died 8.12.1881 - aged 57 years. Others - Ernest Edward , Ethel Maude, Jean Longmore and Thomas - all buried in 1900s. If you want these more recent ones, please get in touch privately. regards Denise Ballyshannon Ireland d 1917 Tawonga buried ? his wife was Elizabeth Aitken Wyper b 10/1/1836 Linlithgow Scotland d 18/3/1906 Tawonga buried at Yack? Is her husband buried with her? as he is not listed on the headstone. > > The following were there children - some are found others are not - yet! > > Alexander Black b 7/10/1860 Bowna, Victoria, d 1939 Never married > Annie Aitken Black b 1862 Happy Valley, Victoria, d 1945. m William > Taylor > John Wyper Black b 9/6/1864 d 27/3/1938 m Isobel Celestian Barton b > 4/9/1880 d 19/3/1942 > Isabella Jane Black b 1866 Avenel d 21/6/1935 Wangaratta. > William Black b 15/8/1868 Morses Creek, Victoria d 1868 > James Black b 23/12/1869 Running Creek, d 26/4/1939 m Rachel Maude > McCulloch 1899 (my great grandmother) > Robert Nimmo Black b 24/2/1872 Running Creek d 23/10/1938 > David Henry Black 19/3/1877 d 1879 Yackandandah. > Elizabeth Black b 16/5/1881 Yackandandah d 22/12/1950 Wangaratta m William > Pool Thompson 1919 > > Thanks for taking the time for reading, as this is my first attempt at > posting, any suggestions for future would be also appreciated. > > Regards > Robert >

Hello List, Although I have been watching and reading the list for several months, I thought it about time that I posted my interest. Some of my names are common and already being researched by others, but any assistance is still appreciated. Here goes: William Conibear b 1894 England d 1947 Tallangatta buried Kergunyah m Elizabeth Mary Black b 1902 d 1963 Thologolong buried Kergunyah. My main interest is in the Black line as it would seem they were mostly born in or around Yack and are buried at Yack. I have lost a couple of them namely John Alexander Black b 1833 Ballyshannon Ireland d 1917 Tawonga buried ? his wife was Elizabeth Aitken Wyper b 10/1/1836 Linlithgow Scotland d 18/3/1906 Tawonga buried at Yack? Is her husband buried with her? as he is not listed on the headstone. The following were there children - some are found others are not - yet! Alexander Black b 7/10/1860 Bowna, Victoria, d 1939 Never married Annie Aitken Black b 1862 Happy Valley, Victoria, d 1945. m William Taylor John Wyper Black b 9/6/1864 d 27/3/1938 m Isobel Celestian Barton b 4/9/1880 d 19/3/1942 Isabella Jane Black b 1866 Avenel d 21/6/1935 Wangaratta. William Black b 15/8/1868 Morses Creek, Victoria d 1868 James Black b 23/12/1869 Running Creek, d 26/4/1939 m Rachel Maude McCulloch 1899 (my great grandmother) Robert Nimmo Black b 24/2/1872 Running Creek d 23/10/1938 David Henry Black 19/3/1877 d 1879 Yackandandah. Elizabeth Black b 16/5/1881 Yackandandah d 22/12/1950 Wangaratta m William Pool Thompson 1919 Thanks for taking the time for reading, as this is my first attempt at posting, any suggestions for future would be also appreciated. Regards Robert

I'm hoping for a little assistance. I'm looking for the cemetary that Carl Philip Albert Stomann was buried at. He died 1889 at Byawatha but may be intered at Wangaratta or Barnawatha, or was there a cametary at Byawatha; and his wife Marie Augustina nee Rudemann died 1880 at Byawatha. Also the inquest, if carried out, for their son, Otto Wilhelm Stomann, died 1918 at Barnawatha. He may have succumbed to the Spanish Flu. Thanks Pam

Thanks, Denise for the suggestions... I should have explained: the man enquiring was a hall committee member; no go with the pubs, and we'd already checked the Yack Museum. As I said, it's a long shot but worth a try! But thanks for thinking of us. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Allans Flat Hall > Peter, have you been able to trace the committee of the hall? > Perhaps on display in some local pub? > What about the local museum? > > Sorry, probably no help at all > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:31 PM > Subject: [HC] Allans Flat Hall > > > >I was speaking today with a member of a long-time family of Allan's Flat, > >who is upset at not being able to trace three large old sports competition > >cups which had been on display in the Allans Flat Hall for many years in a > >special cabinet. > > > > The hall was demolished in about 1975, and someone probably took them for > > safe-keeping at that time but their whereabouts is now a mystery! > > > > I know it's a long shot, but if anyone can throw any light on where they > > might be, the community would be very grateful. > > > > Peter Ross > > > > > > >

Peter, have you been able to trace the committee of the hall? Perhaps on display in some local pub? What about the local museum? Sorry, probably no help at all Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: [HC] Allans Flat Hall >I was speaking today with a member of a long-time family of Allan's Flat, >who is upset at not being able to trace three large old sports competition >cups which had been on display in the Allans Flat Hall for many years in a >special cabinet. > > The hall was demolished in about 1975, and someone probably took them for > safe-keeping at that time but their whereabouts is now a mystery! > > I know it's a long shot, but if anyone can throw any light on where they > might be, the community would be very grateful. > > Peter Ross > > >

I was speaking today with a member of a long-time family of Allan's Flat, who is upset at not being able to trace three large old sports competition cups which had been on display in the Allans Flat Hall for many years in a special cabinet. The hall was demolished in about 1975, and someone probably took them for safe-keeping at that time but their whereabouts is now a mystery! I know it's a long shot, but if anyone can throw any light on where they might be, the community would be very grateful. Peter Ross

HI Pam, There is only one Stomann in Wangaratta cemetery. From reg: Stomann, Fredrick Herman. 62; 26 April 1975; Wangaratta; Lawn; Row I plot 24 From transcriptions: STOMANN, FREDERICK HERMANN. 62 YEARS; d 24/ 04/ 1975; bur 26/ 04/ 1975. Good luck, Jenny

Hi Denise, Try Stirling in Scotland, West Australia and South Australia, or Alberta, Ontario in Canada, and California - and hope they spelt it right! Did they dot the I?? I'd go for the California option. Otherwise Sterling in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, Nebraska, Minnesota, Michigan, Massachusetts, Kansas, Illinois, Idaho, Georgia, and Colorado. I just went right through the UK and North American road atlases for you. Good luck! Almina will turn up, I know. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please > HI Wendy > The other child - tried her in the Census in US - no mother mentioned. > However another letter has come to light which shows my subject in Stirling > (where is the question) in 1877 - still no closer really to my 1880 query. > I checked the shipping in 1878 and she's not there with her son either, only > in 1888. A gap of 11 years. > Where were you ALmina? > > D > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please > > > > Hi Denise, > > Perhaps the clue lies with the other child? And the other dumb > > suggestion - > > I guess you've tried all possible variations of her name on Google - just > > in > > case - (I just found another one there the other day). > > Rgds, Wendy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:07 PM > > Subject: [HC] Help/suggestions please > > > > > >> My Crawford family in Australia expanded on me one day when I found my > > great aunt had arrived in 1888. Until now I've not done much about it, > > but > > recently her great-grandson contacted me and we have been going full out > > trying to finding her life 'layout'. > >> > >> We know she was born in Ma, in fact we know a lot about her very early > > days until her first husband died fighting in the Civil War. She was in > > New Hampshire at this point. We have had confirmation that she remarried > > in > > 1866 to a young devil, for some reason in haste she said in a Diary. No > > by-product of this marriage. > >> > >> In 1870 I find her and her two children from the first marriage living > > alone in New Jersey, working for herself as teacher of Painting and Music. > >> > >> In 1878 her son comes to Melbourne to work for Hiram Crawford in his > > Eastern Arcade which his brother managed. His mother is NOT on his > > shipping > > records. > >> > >> In 1881 this son is still working at the arcade - fighting a fire in > > January. > >> > >> In 1888 he is found leaving San Francisco for Australia once again with > > his mother in tow. Both died here in Australia. > >> > >> I have not been able to locate the mother, my great aunt from 1870 to > > 1888. She does not appear on the 1880 census and I've had several people > > check it out for me, under her Maiden name or either of her two married > > names. > >> > >> I am considering now that perhaps she made a visit to Australia around > >> the > > 1880s (seeing I can't find her on census). Question - how or what can I > > do > > to check this out. Please don't suggest I look thru every shipping > > record > > (g). Now, if we had kept our own census records........ > >> However if anyone has found a secret hoard of records......... > >> > >> Denise > >> > > >

Thanks Wendy. It is definitely spelt STIRLING and there is now a Stirling in New Jersey. Almina lived in NJ in 1870. Don't know if it was there in 1870 or not but I have a copy of a advertising flyer which has Almina's name and her sons' name on it (no date) advertising that they were in town, name of street only given, no town and would be glad to teach you painting. They obviously moved around teaching in various towns. I guess I could check Stirling in NJ for the name of this street but it still doesn't tell me where she was in 1880. I guess she will turn up, they always seem to. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please > Hi Denise, > Try Stirling in Scotland, West Australia and South Australia, or Alberta, > Ontario in Canada, and California - and hope they spelt it right! Did > they > dot the I?? I'd go for the California option. > Otherwise Sterling in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, Nebraska, > Minnesota, Michigan, Massachusetts, Kansas, Illinois, Idaho, Georgia, and > Colorado. I just went right through the UK and North American road > atlases > for you. Good luck! > Almina will turn up, I know. > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please > > >> HI Wendy >> The other child - tried her in the Census in US - no mother mentioned. >> However another letter has come to light which shows my subject in > Stirling >> (where is the question) in 1877 - still no closer really to my 1880 >> query. >> I checked the shipping in 1878 and she's not there with her son either, > only >> in 1888. A gap of 11 years. >> Where were you ALmina? >> >> D >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please >> >> >> > Hi Denise, >> > Perhaps the clue lies with the other child? And the other dumb >> > suggestion - >> > I guess you've tried all possible variations of her name on Google - > just >> > in >> > case - (I just found another one there the other day). >> > Rgds, Wendy >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> >> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:07 PM >> > Subject: [HC] Help/suggestions please >> > >> > >> >> My Crawford family in Australia expanded on me one day when I found > my >> > great aunt had arrived in 1888. Until now I've not done much about it, >> > but >> > recently her great-grandson contacted me and we have been going full >> > out >> > trying to finding her life 'layout'. >> >> >> >> We know she was born in Ma, in fact we know a lot about her very early >> > days until her first husband died fighting in the Civil War. She was > in >> > New Hampshire at this point. We have had confirmation that she > remarried >> > in >> > 1866 to a young devil, for some reason in haste she said in a Diary. > No >> > by-product of this marriage. >> >> >> >> In 1870 I find her and her two children from the first marriage living >> > alone in New Jersey, working for herself as teacher of Painting and > Music. >> >> >> >> In 1878 her son comes to Melbourne to work for Hiram Crawford in his >> > Eastern Arcade which his brother managed. His mother is NOT on his >> > shipping >> > records. >> >> >> >> In 1881 this son is still working at the arcade - fighting a fire in >> > January. >> >> >> >> In 1888 he is found leaving San Francisco for Australia once again >> >> with >> > his mother in tow. Both died here in Australia. >> >> >> >> I have not been able to locate the mother, my great aunt from 1870 to >> > 1888. She does not appear on the 1880 census and I've had several > people >> > check it out for me, under her Maiden name or either of her two married >> > names. >> >> >> >> I am considering now that perhaps she made a visit to Australia around >> >> the >> > 1880s (seeing I can't find her on census). Question - how or what can >> > I >> > do >> > to check this out. Please don't suggest I look thru every shipping >> > record >> > (g). Now, if we had kept our own census records........ >> >> However if anyone has found a secret hoard of records......... >> >> >> >> Denise >> >> >> > >> >

Kerry, I know you've been working on this website for a while, but that is one classy job Kerry. Congratulations, love the layout and the background colours. As for Crauford, no I've not tried that, but will now with your suggestion. No idea why she would revert to the old old Scottish way of spelling it though. Worth trying Thanks Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please > Hi Denise silly question but did you try the alternative for Crawford:- > Crauford (the old way it was spelt) > > Also at last finished my website. yahooooooooooo > http://www.bairdnet.com > > > Kerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please > > > Hi Denise, > Perhaps the clue lies with the other child? And the other dumb > suggestion - > I guess you've tried all possible variations of her name on Google - just > in > case - (I just found another one there the other day). > Rgds, Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:07 PM > Subject: [HC] Help/suggestions please > > >> My Crawford family in Australia expanded on me one day when I found my > great aunt had arrived in 1888. Until now I've not done much about it, > but > recently her great-grandson contacted me and we have been going full out > trying to finding her life 'layout'. >> >> We know she was born in Ma, in fact we know a lot about her very early > days until her first husband died fighting in the Civil War. She was in > New Hampshire at this point. We have had confirmation that she remarried > in > 1866 to a young devil, for some reason in haste she said in a Diary. No > by-product of this marriage. >> >> In 1870 I find her and her two children from the first marriage living > alone in New Jersey, working for herself as teacher of Painting and Music. >> >> In 1878 her son comes to Melbourne to work for Hiram Crawford in his > Eastern Arcade which his brother managed. His mother is NOT on his > shipping > records. >> >> In 1881 this son is still working at the arcade - fighting a fire in > January. >> >> In 1888 he is found leaving San Francisco for Australia once again with > his mother in tow. Both died here in Australia. >> >> I have not been able to locate the mother, my great aunt from 1870 to > 1888. She does not appear on the 1880 census and I've had several people > check it out for me, under her Maiden name or either of her two married > names. >> >> I am considering now that perhaps she made a visit to Australia around >> the > 1880s (seeing I can't find her on census). Question - how or what can I > do > to check this out. Please don't suggest I look thru every shipping > record > (g). Now, if we had kept our own census records........ >> However if anyone has found a secret hoard of records......... >> >> Denise >> > >

HI Wendy The other child - tried her in the Census in US - no mother mentioned. However another letter has come to light which shows my subject in Stirling (where is the question) in 1877 - still no closer really to my 1880 query. I checked the shipping in 1878 and she's not there with her son either, only in 1888. A gap of 11 years. Where were you ALmina? D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please > Hi Denise, > Perhaps the clue lies with the other child? And the other dumb > suggestion - > I guess you've tried all possible variations of her name on Google - just > in > case - (I just found another one there the other day). > Rgds, Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:07 PM > Subject: [HC] Help/suggestions please > > >> My Crawford family in Australia expanded on me one day when I found my > great aunt had arrived in 1888. Until now I've not done much about it, > but > recently her great-grandson contacted me and we have been going full out > trying to finding her life 'layout'. >> >> We know she was born in Ma, in fact we know a lot about her very early > days until her first husband died fighting in the Civil War. She was in > New Hampshire at this point. We have had confirmation that she remarried > in > 1866 to a young devil, for some reason in haste she said in a Diary. No > by-product of this marriage. >> >> In 1870 I find her and her two children from the first marriage living > alone in New Jersey, working for herself as teacher of Painting and Music. >> >> In 1878 her son comes to Melbourne to work for Hiram Crawford in his > Eastern Arcade which his brother managed. His mother is NOT on his > shipping > records. >> >> In 1881 this son is still working at the arcade - fighting a fire in > January. >> >> In 1888 he is found leaving San Francisco for Australia once again with > his mother in tow. Both died here in Australia. >> >> I have not been able to locate the mother, my great aunt from 1870 to > 1888. She does not appear on the 1880 census and I've had several people > check it out for me, under her Maiden name or either of her two married > names. >> >> I am considering now that perhaps she made a visit to Australia around >> the > 1880s (seeing I can't find her on census). Question - how or what can I > do > to check this out. Please don't suggest I look thru every shipping > record > (g). Now, if we had kept our own census records........ >> However if anyone has found a secret hoard of records......... >> >> Denise >> >

Hi Denise silly question but did you try the alternative for Crawford:- Crauford (the old way it was spelt) Also at last finished my website. yahooooooooooo http://www.bairdnet.com Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Help/suggestions please Hi Denise, Perhaps the clue lies with the other child? And the other dumb suggestion - I guess you've tried all possible variations of her name on Google - just in case - (I just found another one there the other day). Rgds, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: [HC] Help/suggestions please > My Crawford family in Australia expanded on me one day when I found my great aunt had arrived in 1888. Until now I've not done much about it, but recently her great-grandson contacted me and we have been going full out trying to finding her life 'layout'. > > We know she was born in Ma, in fact we know a lot about her very early days until her first husband died fighting in the Civil War. She was in New Hampshire at this point. We have had confirmation that she remarried in 1866 to a young devil, for some reason in haste she said in a Diary. No by-product of this marriage. > > In 1870 I find her and her two children from the first marriage living alone in New Jersey, working for herself as teacher of Painting and Music. > > In 1878 her son comes to Melbourne to work for Hiram Crawford in his Eastern Arcade which his brother managed. His mother is NOT on his shipping records. > > In 1881 this son is still working at the arcade - fighting a fire in January. > > In 1888 he is found leaving San Francisco for Australia once again with his mother in tow. Both died here in Australia. > > I have not been able to locate the mother, my great aunt from 1870 to 1888. She does not appear on the 1880 census and I've had several people check it out for me, under her Maiden name or either of her two married names. > > I am considering now that perhaps she made a visit to Australia around the 1880s (seeing I can't find her on census). Question - how or what can I do to check this out. Please don't suggest I look thru every shipping record (g). Now, if we had kept our own census records........ > However if anyone has found a secret hoard of records......... > > Denise >

Hi Denise, Perhaps the clue lies with the other child? And the other dumb suggestion - I guess you've tried all possible variations of her name on Google - just in case - (I just found another one there the other day). Rgds, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: [HC] Help/suggestions please > My Crawford family in Australia expanded on me one day when I found my great aunt had arrived in 1888. Until now I've not done much about it, but recently her great-grandson contacted me and we have been going full out trying to finding her life 'layout'. > > We know she was born in Ma, in fact we know a lot about her very early days until her first husband died fighting in the Civil War. She was in New Hampshire at this point. We have had confirmation that she remarried in 1866 to a young devil, for some reason in haste she said in a Diary. No by-product of this marriage. > > In 1870 I find her and her two children from the first marriage living alone in New Jersey, working for herself as teacher of Painting and Music. > > In 1878 her son comes to Melbourne to work for Hiram Crawford in his Eastern Arcade which his brother managed. His mother is NOT on his shipping records. > > In 1881 this son is still working at the arcade - fighting a fire in January. > > In 1888 he is found leaving San Francisco for Australia once again with his mother in tow. Both died here in Australia. > > I have not been able to locate the mother, my great aunt from 1870 to 1888. She does not appear on the 1880 census and I've had several people check it out for me, under her Maiden name or either of her two married names. > > I am considering now that perhaps she made a visit to Australia around the 1880s (seeing I can't find her on census). Question - how or what can I do to check this out. Please don't suggest I look thru every shipping record (g). Now, if we had kept our own census records........ > However if anyone has found a secret hoard of records......... > > Denise >