Should have added Simon - I have some data on Baldwins of Spencer Mass. I have this wonderful and extremely heavy book of families from a town in Massachusetts. It also covers families from other towns and villages when they connect to the subject town. Happy to look up any names for anyone , just in case. Massachusetts USA. Denise > Baldwin (from Mass. and Wisconsin, USA. In Beechworth area late 1850s)

Simon, do you which part of Mass your Baldwin came from? Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "S & A Liddle" <liddle40@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: [HC] Research interests > Hi list members > > My interests are as follows: > > ANYTHING to do with Glenrowan and surrounding district 1840-1880 > > Family names: > > Liddle (Glenrowan/Greta/11 Mile Creek/Wangaratta) > Gullen (Beechworth) > Alcock (Beechworth) > Clark (Chiltern) > Lock (Yackandandah) > Hobbs (Yackandandah) > Baldwin (from Mass. and Wisconsin, USA. In Beechworth area late 1850s) > Honeychurch (Bright) > > Denise, as you know I'm collecting information on coaching company FOSTER > & > VINGE. Also anything on policeman/publican Ambrose Maurice HOLWAY > (Wangaratta, Greta, Glenrowan). > > Simon >

Hi Simon I note your interest in an Alcock of Beechworth, would love to hear more, Cheers Hec Alcock See the Alcock Family History at http://home.iprimus.com.au/heca/ -----Original Message----- From: S & A Liddle [mailto:liddle40@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2004 8:19 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Research interests Hi list members My interests are as follows: ANYTHING to do with Glenrowan and surrounding district 1840-1880 Family names: Liddle (Glenrowan/Greta/11 Mile Creek/Wangaratta) Gullen (Beechworth) Alcock (Beechworth) Clark (Chiltern) Lock (Yackandandah) Hobbs (Yackandandah) Baldwin (from Mass. and Wisconsin, USA. In Beechworth area late 1850s) Honeychurch (Bright) Denise, as you know I'm collecting information on coaching company FOSTER & VINGE. Also anything on policeman/publican Ambrose Maurice HOLWAY (Wangaratta, Greta, Glenrowan). Simon

Don't forget Josh's (and Ben's) interest at Buckland Anthony!!! (g) Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Bigelow" <anthonybigelow@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:22 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Edward Kelly Hillsborough > Hi Ronda, > > I sadly can't add any further information for Edward Kelly, unfortunately > he's a little bit of a mystery at present and I am not certain where or > when he passed away. > > In regards to the timeline of the Bigelow's: > > 1852 - 1853: Nine Mile Creek (Stanley) > 1853 - 1854: Yackandandah > 1855 - 1865: Osborne's Flat > 1865 - 1867: Hillsborough > 1867- 1872: Sutton/Bruarong > 1872 - 1905: Stanley > 1905 - 1912: Bright > > Regards, Anthony > >>From: "Ronda Shambrook" <shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au> >>Reply-To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com >>To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [HC] Edward Kelly Hillsborough >>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:29:12 +1100 >> >>Anthony, >> >>Yes, I've seen the name Edward Kelly in relation to Hillsborough many >>times also. It seems as if he was a single chap - doesn't seem to rate a >>mention in any of the school dramas. >>In 1891, just before Margaret Waterson came to teach at Hillsborough there >>was a school teacher by the name of Margaret Kelly. Maybe she was a >>relation? >> >>Do you know anything about him apart from the fact he took out lots of >>mining leases? >> >>Also, can you please give me a rough timeframe of the whereabouts of the >>Bigelows. I know they were at Sutton, Stanley and Bright, but don't know >>the timeframe. >> >>Ronda >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > all your property needs. >

Marina, I did reply to you regarding the Burke Museum and a suggestion or two. Obviously you didn't see it Denise > > As yet no one has been able to inform me about mining registers held at > the Burke Museum. This is of much interest to me. Does anyone have access > to these please, who could do a look up for me. >

Sounds like unless Josephus is a J, they have been sent to a relative. I did a search of Inquest for Victoria, Josephus may have been imprisoned and the children sent away. There was also Typhoid fever in Beechworth District 1864-1865 Inquests into Catherine Murphys MURPHY Catherine Place: Prahran Year: 1863 Reference: 279 Cause: Rupture Blood Vessel MURPHY Catherine Place: Kangaroo Flat Year: 1866 Reference: 384 Cause: MURPHY Catherine C Place: Scarsdale Year: 1885 Reference: 1217 Cause: Kicked By Horse MURPHY Catherine Age: 58 Place: Milawa Year: 1886 Reference: 160 Cause: Natural Causes Beechworth 1863-1865 (lots of suicides over these years) UNKNOWN Place: Beechworth Year: 1864 Reference: 579 Sex: M Cause: Suicide hanged Occupation: Labourer Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold Hi Kerry, Many thanks, but I have had this data for some time, Yes , correct, Josephus and the two surviving children came to New Zealand, to go on to the Otago goldfields. They remained in NZ. But here lies yet another enigma.The two surviving children arrived, aged 6 and 4 respectively, unaccompanied by a parent on 15th March 1865, aboard the ship Hero to Otago.Why was there no parent with them? Despite the fact that I have ready access to passenger lists from Melbourne for this time period, Josephus cannot be definitely identified on any, as initials only are employed. Numerous J Murphy's!! Which one is mine??!! No Mrs M's aboard any ship that "fit" the time period. No death record for Catherine in NZ exists. Scenarios galore arise, Wendy. Something happened to Catherine in Aus I believe, this is why I have searched so long and persistently for her death. Locating it would partly answer the "riddle". As you mention this is the proverbial "needle" story, and one that I will never unravel satisfactorily. I really need to locate something/anything of Josephus between 1863 and 1865. The youngest child died 1863, in Beechworth, leaving this two year unknown gap. Did they go somewhere else? We will never know I'm afraid. Extremely grateful for your assistance Kerry. Thanks so much. Regards, Marina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > Hi Marina > I did a search covering the > Pioneer Index > Federation Index > Edwardian Index > Tasmanian Pioneers Index > NSW BDM > > I can't find anything after 1863, thought I maybe able to follow their > children John Malcolm and Rubert but nothing also nothing on their father > under Josephus and Joseph. And because there are so many Catherines with > parents unknown, i'ts a bit like a needle in a haystack, I have a feeling > that because there are no more children recorded after 1863 nor Josephus > they may have left the State. This is about the time of the N.Zealand > rush. > But also many went to Queensland. And much later Western Australia chasing > the elusive gold. I had a look also through the Harrietville and Crooked > River miners couldn't find him there. > > Included some info you probably already have > > Kerry > > MURPHY John Malcolm Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: Cath ARNOLD Birth Place: WOOLSHED Year: 1857 > > MURPHY Harriet Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: > Elizabeth Catherine ARNOLD Birth Place: BUCKLAND Year: 1859 > > MURPHY Harriet Died Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: > Catherine Age: 1 Birth Place: BUC Year: 1860 > > MURPHY Rubert Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: > Cath ARNOLD Birth Place: MORSES CK Year: 1861 > > MURPHY Josephus Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: Catherine WESTLY Birth Place: OVEN Year: 1863 > > MURPHY Joseph Cephas Died Spouse Surname/Father: Joseph Cepha Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: Catherine ARNOLD Age: 7M Birth Place: BEEC Year: 1863 > > > > > > > > MURPHY Catherine Died Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: Age: 28 Birth Place: GLOU Year: 1863 > > MURPHY Catherine Died Spouse Surname/Father: U Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: > 71 Year: 1867 > > MURPHY Catherine D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: 30 Birth Place: DUBL Year: 1869 > > MURPHY Catherine D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: 58 Death Place: MELB S Year: 1882 > > MURPHY Catherine D spouse Surname/Father: Wm Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: > 60 Death Place: GEELONG Year: 1883 > > > > MURPHY Joseph D Spouse Surname/Father: James Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Elizabeth BROWN Age: 58 Birth Place: U Year: 1880 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:34 AM > Subject: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > > > Hello Everyone, > > Thank you to Joan, Wendy and Zola and Ronda for their responses to my > initial message. > The enigma of Catherine Murphy continues. > Having purchased a death certificate from Prov for a Catherine Murphy, am, > "none the wiser". The cited Catherine died in Prahran, (a suburb of > Melbourne!), in a hotel, in 1863, aged 28. All other data unknown to the > informant, thus of no use. > > So, it's back to the elusive Josephus Murphy for information on, in the > Beechworth region. He is not cited in the Ovens and Murray Biographical > Dictionary so I have been informed via an inquiry. > > As yet no one has been able to inform me about mining registers held at > the > Burke Museum. This is of much interest to me. Does anyone have access to > these please, who could do a look up for me. > > Most grateful for anything on this person. > > Regards, > Marina in New Zealand > > > > > > >

Hi Kerry, I have an Matilda Chandler marrying a Robert Forsyth in 1926. It doesn't fit with any of my John's. Robert was the son of George James, born Scotland and Ellen Elizabeth Ryan. Hope to hear from you, Thanks, Bev -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Bennett [mailto:kben1679@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 10:25 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] RE.Forsyth Hello Bev, I found the infioramtion that l was looking for, it's not much, but you may have more than l do about the Forsyth's than l do. Matilda Irene Witham first married Wilfred John Chandler in 1926? and her second marriage was to a John Forsyth or could be John Alexander Forsyth. If you have any information about this marriage and any children would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Kerry in Cranbourne kben1679@bigpond.net.au --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004

There were no Sloanes or Forsyth registered Crooked River, but there is a reference to Re Harrietville Bright are. Mining Lease No 850 dated 12.4.66 the applicants are Gitchell, Ewin Surflen, Isaac Sloane, James Manfield. The name of the mine is The Pennsylvania Q.M.Co. The location is right and left hand branches, Ovens River near United Miners reef. The outcome was surrended 6.6.71. The lease was transferred 15.8.1869 to Hanna, Law and Sandilands. "They decided to place a 10 head engine driven battery on the site erected by Mr Sloan of Freeburgh and the plant was ready by the end of the year" (this is around 1901) Kerry Looks like Isaac was a brother to Walter. Isaac Sloan and Sarah Lyons Harriet Elizabeth born MORSES CK 1861 died age 9 1871 at Freeburg Edith born Woolshed 1865 David born Ovens 1867 died age 21 at Freeburg 1884 Isaac Greer Morses Creek 1867 William Cunningham Bright 1869 (un-named female 1871) Freeburg George Washington Freeburg 1874 Josephine Freeburg 1876 Birdie Evaline Freeburg 1879 Eliza Jane Freeburg 1881 Walt Edwd Died Father: Isaac Mother: Sarah LYONS Age: 26 Death Place: FREEBURGH Year: 1886 Walter Sloan and Ellen Forsyth Children: Walter William born GROW 1865 Mary Jane born MORSES CRE 1868 Grant born Harrietville 1872 Alexander born Omeo 1875 Henry born Omeo 1878 Helen born Omeo 1881 Jean born Omeo 1884 Christina Craig born Omeo 1887 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Walker" <bbwalker@vic.chariot.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: [HC] KERRY Hi Kerry, My Americans came to Oz in 1855 approx. and were mining in the Beechworth and Bright areas before moving on to Benambra and Omeo. Ggrandfather is reputed to have found the first reef gold in Omeo and one of his sons found the Democrat Mine, which proved to be very successful. Unfortunately I feel that he sold it before it reached its peak. They were the Sloan's and the other side was Forsyth. Have you come across any of them in your research? Thanks Bev -----Original Message----- From: Kerry [mailto:kerryb@austarnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 8:13 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] KERRY Thats great Denise Its the same Ellen that worked for THE COMPANY :-) I haven't researched here yet can't seem to get out of Crooked River/Dargo at the moment. What I have been doing is finding where all the Diggers came from, what groups they formed (usually they were brothers or in-laws etc) and where they ended up settling, I can nearly safely say that at least 80% of the High Country people (Bogong, Harrietville, Dargo, Omeo, Benambra etc..) came from the Crooked River Diggings, some came via Beechworth, some Buckland others Bendigo. There is a group of Americans that have come from Yackandandah Beechworth area and were nearly the first on the diggings except for the Omeo Benambra mob, They even called their reef The New American Reef. Also I found another from the States but not sure if its him or his wife from the US, his name is Samuel Riley married to Jane Huges, they travelled over from Osborne Flat with the Nelson Hubbert and Mary McKinnon party. It would be interesting to find out about the Smith family and if they were related to Oliver Smith. The other Smiths I have, have come from Gipps and Melb Although I hate researching the name Smith, I feel sorry for anyone that has this as their surname re genealogy. Is anyone doing Tallangatta area, I am after would appreciate anything on the Kirks of this area. Some info Edward Kirk born Kilkenny Ireland, arrived Williamstown May 1872 where he went to join his sister Mary at Crooked river, and his sister Catherine at Dargo Flat. After spending seven years at the diggings he was very successful. Then went to Maffra where he bought 320 acres, rented 3000 acres and became a registered grazier. In 1883 he married Mary Ann O'Sullivan, then sold the 3000 acres in 1887 and bought a hotel and 1000 acres at Bullwah near Tallangatta, while still owning the 320 acres near Maffra Sale. Thanks Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: [HC] KERRY Kerry - Re John Smith of Chiltern - his widow married an Ellen. Have you done any research into the Smiths of Chiltern. I am wondering if Oscar Smith was related to John? Both from USA , both settled in Chiltern. do you have anything? regards Denise --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004

Hi Simon,I have Fred Honeychurch marrying Isabella Forsyth Brown in 1888, could he be one of yours. Regards Bev -----Original Message----- From: S & A Liddle [mailto:liddle40@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2004 8:19 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Research interests Hi list members My interests are as follows: ANYTHING to do with Glenrowan and surrounding district 1840-1880 Family names: Liddle (Glenrowan/Greta/11 Mile Creek/Wangaratta) Gullen (Beechworth) Alcock (Beechworth) Clark (Chiltern) Lock (Yackandandah) Hobbs (Yackandandah) Baldwin (from Mass. and Wisconsin, USA. In Beechworth area late 1850s) Honeychurch (Bright) Denise, as you know I'm collecting information on coaching company FOSTER & VINGE. Also anything on policeman/publican Ambrose Maurice HOLWAY (Wangaratta, Greta, Glenrowan). Simon --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004

Hi Marina I did a search covering the Pioneer Index Federation Index Edwardian Index Tasmanian Pioneers Index NSW BDM I can't find anything after 1863, thought I maybe able to follow their children John Malcolm and Rubert but nothing also nothing on their father under Josephus and Joseph. And because there are so many Catherines with parents unknown, i'ts a bit like a needle in a haystack, I have a feeling that because there are no more children recorded after 1863 nor Josephus they may have left the State. This is about the time of the N.Zealand rush. But also many went to Queensland. And much later Western Australia chasing the elusive gold. I had a look also through the Harrietville and Crooked River miners couldn't find him there. Included some info you probably already have Kerry MURPHY John Malcolm Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Cath ARNOLD Birth Place: WOOLSHED Year: 1857 MURPHY Harriet Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizabeth Catherine ARNOLD Birth Place: BUCKLAND Year: 1859 MURPHY Harriet Died Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Catherine Age: 1 Birth Place: BUC Year: 1860 MURPHY Rubert Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Cath ARNOLD Birth Place: MORSES CK Year: 1861 MURPHY Josephus Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Catherine WESTLY Birth Place: OVEN Year: 1863 MURPHY Joseph Cephas Died Spouse Surname/Father: Joseph Cepha Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Catherine ARNOLD Age: 7M Birth Place: BEEC Year: 1863 MURPHY Catherine Died Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 28 Birth Place: GLOU Year: 1863 MURPHY Catherine Died Spouse Surname/Father: U Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 71 Year: 1867 MURPHY Catherine D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 30 Birth Place: DUBL Year: 1869 MURPHY Catherine D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 58 Death Place: MELB S Year: 1882 MURPHY Catherine D spouse Surname/Father: Wm Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 60 Death Place: GEELONG Year: 1883 MURPHY Joseph D Spouse Surname/Father: James Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizabeth BROWN Age: 58 Birth Place: U Year: 1880 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold Hello Everyone, Thank you to Joan, Wendy and Zola and Ronda for their responses to my initial message. The enigma of Catherine Murphy continues. Having purchased a death certificate from Prov for a Catherine Murphy, am, "none the wiser". The cited Catherine died in Prahran, (a suburb of Melbourne!), in a hotel, in 1863, aged 28. All other data unknown to the informant, thus of no use. So, it's back to the elusive Josephus Murphy for information on, in the Beechworth region. He is not cited in the Ovens and Murray Biographical Dictionary so I have been informed via an inquiry. As yet no one has been able to inform me about mining registers held at the Burke Museum. This is of much interest to me. Does anyone have access to these please, who could do a look up for me. Most grateful for anything on this person. Regards, Marina in New Zealand

Hello Everyone, Thank you to Joan, Wendy and Zola and Ronda for their responses to my initial message. The enigma of Catherine Murphy continues. Having purchased a death certificate from Prov for a Catherine Murphy, am, "none the wiser". The cited Catherine died in Prahran, (a suburb of Melbourne!), in a hotel, in 1863, aged 28. All other data unknown to the informant, thus of no use. So, it's back to the elusive Josephus Murphy for information on, in the Beechworth region. He is not cited in the Ovens and Murray Biographical Dictionary so I have been informed via an inquiry. As yet no one has been able to inform me about mining registers held at the Burke Museum. This is of much interest to me. Does anyone have access to these please, who could do a look up for me. Most grateful for anything on this person. Regards, Marina in New Zealand

Hi Simon, Which ALCOCK? Hec has a few of those and I have just one. Kind regards, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "S & A Liddle" <liddle40@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: [HC] Research interests > Hi list members > > My interests are as follows: > > ANYTHING to do with Glenrowan and surrounding district 1840-1880 > > Family names: > > Liddle (Glenrowan/Greta/11 Mile Creek/Wangaratta) > Gullen (Beechworth) > Alcock (Beechworth) > Clark (Chiltern) > Lock (Yackandandah) > Hobbs (Yackandandah) > Baldwin (from Mass. and Wisconsin, USA. In Beechworth area late 1850s) > Honeychurch (Bright) > > Denise, as you know I'm collecting information on coaching company FOSTER & > VINGE. Also anything on policeman/publican Ambrose Maurice HOLWAY > (Wangaratta, Greta, Glenrowan). > > Simon >

Hi Mary 'Fraid my memory is just as bad, but I suspect not as this area of my tree shows signs of having being developed before I had ready access to the Digger CDs. Will forward you what I have and would love to fill it out. I have none of Matilda's family details and have the names of 13 children for them but only a couple of birth years, one death year and one marriage that of Matilda Isabella to David Muter Watson McKenzie, the person Denise and I were discussing recently who chronicled the area of Stanley. My family ties into George Glen's brother John, the storekeeper who married Ann Doig and whose son John married Issie Muter. Love to fill in the gaps. I only know of three or the thirteen Haig siblings that came to Australia - John, George Glen and Thomas (tailor). Does this match with your research? Cheers Merren -----Original Message----- From: MM [mailto:elthamlax@techinfo.com.au] Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 5:11 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] ROLL CALL Hello Merren Have we corresponded previously in relation to the HAIG name? My memory is fast fading!! I have a gg aunt Matilda CUNNINGHAM marrying a George Glen HAIG having seven children born in the Wahgunyah area. Mary of Melbourne > Hello all - especially all those who have helped me so much in the past > > I always enjoy the information and chat of this mailing list although > somewhat snowed under the last few months also - study, work and a VCE > son (he finishes next Wednesday - Yeah!) > > I am quite sure that listers know my interests, but there may be > somebody new - so: > > WELSHMAN, McCULLOUGH, MUTER, McGOWAN, ROSS, McGEE, PRIESTLEY, MOYLE, > HAIG, GARDNER, MURRAY and many more branches, twigs and leaves. > > Love to hear from any one with connections. I have enjoyed greatly > working with Ronda, whom I met through this list. Although we only have > branches which interconnect this has provided me with masses of > information, assistance and ideas. Thanks Ronda. Also special thanks > to Denise for all her help - and we don't even have overlapping trees! > > Just heard that my husband's work in Port Hedland is about to come to an > abrupt end (plant is being mothballed) so hopefully he will move closer > to home (possibly Perth or even Sydney)! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004

Hi list members My interests are as follows: ANYTHING to do with Glenrowan and surrounding district 1840-1880 Family names: Liddle (Glenrowan/Greta/11 Mile Creek/Wangaratta) Gullen (Beechworth) Alcock (Beechworth) Clark (Chiltern) Lock (Yackandandah) Hobbs (Yackandandah) Baldwin (from Mass. and Wisconsin, USA. In Beechworth area late 1850s) Honeychurch (Bright) Denise, as you know I'm collecting information on coaching company FOSTER & VINGE. Also anything on policeman/publican Ambrose Maurice HOLWAY (Wangaratta, Greta, Glenrowan). Simon

Simon, What sort of information on Foster and Vinge are you after? I saw bits and pieces on the firm in the OMA and I think I copied one or two of them. Tracing the coaching lines is a tricky business, they merged, closed down, bought out others, making it hard to follow at times, other times they just disappeared. It was George Foster wasn't it? I've had a letter from a researcher/author of years ago, mentioning Michael Connolly being a partner with James Green. Hiram's second partner was Michael Connolly, but I don't know if one and same. Michael (of Crawford) was Irish and took horses to India before joining C and C, but don't know when/howlong he was in Beechworth before joining Crawfords. Not gone down this track this far. It's jolly hard sorting them out from up here, but it's confusing! I've replied privately about another interest or two. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "S & A Liddle" <liddle40@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: [HC] Research interests > Hi list members > > My interests are as follows: > > ANYTHING to do with Glenrowan and surrounding district 1840-1880 > > Family names: > > Liddle (Glenrowan/Greta/11 Mile Creek/Wangaratta) > Gullen (Beechworth) > Alcock (Beechworth) > Clark (Chiltern) > Lock (Yackandandah) > Hobbs (Yackandandah) > Baldwin (from Mass. and Wisconsin, USA. In Beechworth area late 1850s) > Honeychurch (Bright) > > Denise, as you know I'm collecting information on coaching company FOSTER > & > VINGE. Also anything on policeman/publican Ambrose Maurice HOLWAY > (Wangaratta, Greta, Glenrowan). > > Simon >

Thanks Hec, It would be interesting to know why they all stayed single - or maybe they just lived in sin with their partners - although I think not given they were living in a smallish town. Please contact me when you can find time to do some more research and we can compare notes. Kind regards, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hec Alcock" <heca@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Hec is still here > Hi Wendy, > Sorry I have no more information, must try and find some time to chase > things up > > all the best > > Hec > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 9:23 PM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HC] Hec is still here > > > Hi Hec, > > Great to hear from you - it's nice to know you are still lurking around the > HC list! > You are still one of my heroes after all the effort you put in to help > restore Robert MILNE's grave. > > Have you even had a look at the Edward MILNE/Ellen ALCOCK family? Do you > think there was some terrible genetic problem - why didn't any of them > marry????? Mind you, I don't know about Robert born 1872 in Myrtleford as I > can't find any marriage or death record for him. Can you assist please? > > Cheers and kind regards, > Wendy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hec Alcock" <heca@iprimus.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:35 PM > Subject: [HC] Hec is still here > > > > Hi Wendy, Denise and all, > > Am still here, we took off for a few weeks to spend paddling on the > Murray, > > then a funny thing happened, A Company asked me to work for the, seemed > > like, (and is fun). So I am not here all the time as I do a bit of travel. > > > > Still check all the messages in the hope of finding more Alcock, Fraser, > > Norden, Ramsay oldies > > > > Still chuckle over the circus > > > > Cheers > > > > Hec Alcock > > > > See the Alcock Family History at http://home.iprimus.com.au/heca/ > > > > > > >

Hello Bev, I found the infioramtion that l was looking for, it's not much, but you may have more than l do about the Forsyth's than l do. Matilda Irene Witham first married Wilfred John Chandler in 1926? and her second marriage was to a John Forsyth or could be John Alexander Forsyth. If you have any information about this marriage and any children would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Kerry in Cranbourne kben1679@bigpond.net.au

Hi Kerry, My Americans came to Oz in 1855 approx. and were mining in the Beechworth and Bright areas before moving on to Benambra and Omeo. Ggrandfather is reputed to have found the first reef gold in Omeo and one of his sons found the Democrat Mine, which proved to be very successful. Unfortunately I feel that he sold it before it reached its peak. They were the Sloan's and the other side was Forsyth. Have you come across any of them in your research? Thanks Bev -----Original Message----- From: Kerry [mailto:kerryb@austarnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 8:13 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] KERRY Thats great Denise Its the same Ellen that worked for THE COMPANY :-) I haven't researched here yet can't seem to get out of Crooked River/Dargo at the moment. What I have been doing is finding where all the Diggers came from, what groups they formed (usually they were brothers or in-laws etc) and where they ended up settling, I can nearly safely say that at least 80% of the High Country people (Bogong, Harrietville, Dargo, Omeo, Benambra etc..) came from the Crooked River Diggings, some came via Beechworth, some Buckland others Bendigo. There is a group of Americans that have come from Yackandandah Beechworth area and were nearly the first on the diggings except for the Omeo Benambra mob, They even called their reef The New American Reef. Also I found another from the States but not sure if its him or his wife from the US, his name is Samuel Riley married to Jane Huges, they travelled over from Osborne Flat with the Nelson Hubbert and Mary McKinnon party. It would be interesting to find out about the Smith family and if they were related to Oliver Smith. The other Smiths I have, have come from Gipps and Melb Although I hate researching the name Smith, I feel sorry for anyone that has this as their surname re genealogy. Is anyone doing Tallangatta area, I am after would appreciate anything on the Kirks of this area. Some info Edward Kirk born Kilkenny Ireland, arrived Williamstown May 1872 where he went to join his sister Mary at Crooked river, and his sister Catherine at Dargo Flat. After spending seven years at the diggings he was very successful. Then went to Maffra where he bought 320 acres, rented 3000 acres and became a registered grazier. In 1883 he married Mary Ann O'Sullivan, then sold the 3000 acres in 1887 and bought a hotel and 1000 acres at Bullwah near Tallangatta, while still owning the 320 acres near Maffra Sale. Thanks Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: [HC] KERRY Kerry - Re John Smith of Chiltern - his widow married an Ellen. Have you done any research into the Smiths of Chiltern. I am wondering if Oscar Smith was related to John? Both from USA , both settled in Chiltern. do you have anything? regards Denise --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004

I'm about to do up a list of the Americans I have so far, so will send you a copy off list Kerry, perhaps we can work something out Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [HC] KERRY > Thats great Denise > > Its the same Ellen that worked for THE COMPANY :-) > > I haven't researched here yet can't seem to get out of Crooked River/Dargo > at the moment. > What I have been doing is finding where all the Diggers came from, what > groups they formed (usually they were brothers or in-laws etc) and where > they ended up settling, I can nearly safely say that at least 80% of the > High Country people (Bogong, Harrietville, Dargo, Omeo, Benambra etc..) > came > from the Crooked River Diggings, some came via Beechworth, some Buckland > others Bendigo. > There is a group of Americans that have come from Yackandandah Beechworth > area and were nearly the first on the diggings except for the Omeo > Benambra > mob, They even called their reef The New American Reef. > Also I found another from the States but not sure if its him or his wife > from the US, his name is Samuel Riley married to Jane Huges, they > travelled > over from Osborne Flat with the Nelson Hubbert and Mary McKinnon party. > > It would be interesting to find out about the Smith family and if they > were > related to Oliver Smith. The other Smiths I have, have come from Gipps and > Melb > > Although I hate researching the name Smith, I feel sorry for anyone that > has > this as their surname re genealogy. > > Is anyone doing Tallangatta area, I am after would appreciate anything on > the Kirks of this area. > > Some info > Edward Kirk born Kilkenny Ireland, arrived Williamstown May 1872 where he > went to join his sister Mary at Crooked river, and his sister Catherine at > Dargo Flat. After spending seven years at the diggings he was very > successful. Then went to Maffra where he bought 320 acres, rented 3000 > acres > and became a registered grazier. In 1883 he married Mary Ann O'Sullivan, > then sold the 3000 acres in 1887 and bought a hotel and 1000 acres at > Bullwah near Tallangatta, while still owning the 320 acres near Maffra > Sale. > > > > Thanks Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:28 PM > Subject: [HC] KERRY > > > Kerry - > > Re John Smith of Chiltern - his widow married an Ellen. > Have you done any research into the Smiths of Chiltern. > I am wondering if Oscar Smith was related to John? > Both from USA , both settled in Chiltern. > > do you have anything? > regards > Denise > > >

Anthony, Yes, I've seen the name Edward Kelly in relation to Hillsborough many times also. It seems as if he was a single chap - doesn't seem to rate a mention in any of the school dramas. In 1891, just before Margaret Waterson came to teach at Hillsborough there was a school teacher by the name of Margaret Kelly. Maybe she was a relation? Do you know anything about him apart from the fact he took out lots of mining leases? Also, can you please give me a rough timeframe of the whereabouts of the Bigelows. I know they were at Sutton, Stanley and Bright, but don't know the timeframe. Ronda