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Also, Mary Elizabeth (Minnie) McKibbin born 1887 - (not 1867!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merren Cliff" <mcliff@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: RE: [HC] Hillsborough school pupils 1894 > Hi Ronda > > Can help with on of these. > > Mary Elizabeth (Minnie) McKibbin, was the daughter of Alice McKibbin, > born, according to my records 1867 in Yack when Alice was 22, and raised > by Alice's parents Robert & Mary Ann (nee McGee). > > I have no Alexander McCullough - can you shed any light on him? Perhaps > someone could do a birth lookup in Pioneers for parents of Alexander > McCullough born 1885 -1887? > > Maybe Reginald McMillan was Martha Jane McKibbin's son. She married > William McMillan. Again, unfortunately my CD has died but perhaps > someone could do a birth lookup. > > Looks like half the school was filled with McGee descendents! > > Cheers > > > Merren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronda Shambrook [mailto:shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au] > Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 9:39 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HC] Hillsborough school pupils 1894 > > Hi Wendy, > > Henry Stone is a younger brother of Maria. > > Pupils 1894 > > The following pupils were enrolled at Hillsborough State School No. 889 > on 5th April, 1894 > (Head office in Melbourne was looking at closing the school) > > Mary E. McKibbin born 1886, distance from school 3miles > Albert Clingin b. 1889 1/4 mile > Stanley Ralph B 1886 1/4 mile > Alexander Mc Cullough b. 1886 1/4 mile (only a visitor) > May Clingin b. 1886 1/4 mile > Wolesly Ralph b. 1885 1/4/ mile > Gordon Ralph b. 1885 1/4 mile > Reginald McMillan b. 1884 3 miles (only a visitor) > Henry Stone b. 1883 1/2 mile > Alfred Crawford b. 1881 1/4 mile > Walter Clingin 1883 1/4 mile > Martha Waterson 1880 5 miles > William Crawford 1879 1/4 mile > Percy Clingin 1882 1/4 mile > Amelia Ralph 1878 1/4 mile > Violet Waterson 1883 5 miles > > Names of children who have exemption certificates (Nil) > Nearest existing school other than this (Stanley 5 miles) > Names of children likely to attend in the immediate future: Cyril > Trezise 3 yrs 6 months > State of buildings: fairly good condition > Character of roads in locality: Very rough and during winter very bad > indeed. > > Margaret Waterson (teacher) > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 > >

Hi Merren, Here is Reginald McMillan (son of William McMillan and Martha Jane McKibbin) Their first child, Reginald was born on March 17th 1885, possible at Stanley. After leaving school he worked in the district as a miner. He later married Lucy Flannery and they had two children. Lucy died in 1918, so their two children were separated for some years. Their son James went to an aunt in Barnawartha and Mary stayed with Martha. They were later reunited when the family moved to Melbourne. Reginald lived with his mother for most of his life after the death of his wife. Lucy is buried at Burwood Cemetery. Reginald died in 1963 and was cremate at Springvale cemetery. In 1894 he must have been staying with his grandparents, Robert McKibbin and Mary Ann McKibbin, nee McGee. Can't find out who Alexander McCullough is, though - thought you might know. Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merren Cliff" <mcliff@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: RE: [HC] Hillsborough school pupils 1894 > Hi Ronda > > Can help with on of these. > > Mary Elizabeth (Minnie) McKibbin, was the daughter of Alice McKibbin, > born, according to my records 1867 in Yack when Alice was 22, and raised > by Alice's parents Robert & Mary Ann (nee McGee). > > I have no Alexander McCullough - can you shed any light on him? Perhaps > someone could do a birth lookup in Pioneers for parents of Alexander > McCullough born 1885 -1887? > > Maybe Reginald McMillan was Martha Jane McKibbin's son. She married > William McMillan. Again, unfortunately my CD has died but perhaps > someone could do a birth lookup. > > Looks like half the school was filled with McGee descendents! > > Cheers > > > Merren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronda Shambrook [mailto:shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au] > Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 9:39 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HC] Hillsborough school pupils 1894 > > Hi Wendy, > > Henry Stone is a younger brother of Maria. > > Pupils 1894 > > The following pupils were enrolled at Hillsborough State School No. 889 > on 5th April, 1894 > (Head office in Melbourne was looking at closing the school) > > Mary E. McKibbin born 1886, distance from school 3miles > Albert Clingin b. 1889 1/4 mile > Stanley Ralph B 1886 1/4 mile > Alexander Mc Cullough b. 1886 1/4 mile (only a visitor) > May Clingin b. 1886 1/4 mile > Wolesly Ralph b. 1885 1/4/ mile > Gordon Ralph b. 1885 1/4 mile > Reginald McMillan b. 1884 3 miles (only a visitor) > Henry Stone b. 1883 1/2 mile > Alfred Crawford b. 1881 1/4 mile > Walter Clingin 1883 1/4 mile > Martha Waterson 1880 5 miles > William Crawford 1879 1/4 mile > Percy Clingin 1882 1/4 mile > Amelia Ralph 1878 1/4 mile > Violet Waterson 1883 5 miles > > Names of children who have exemption certificates (Nil) > Nearest existing school other than this (Stanley 5 miles) > Names of children likely to attend in the immediate future: Cyril > Trezise 3 yrs 6 months > State of buildings: fairly good condition > Character of roads in locality: Very rough and during winter very bad > indeed. > > Margaret Waterson (teacher) > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 > >

EVANS - MURPHY - On the 22nd august 1877 at the Church of England Parsonage Wangaratta, by the Rev. Henry J. Poole, Mr. William Evans, eldest son of Mr. Robert Evans of Wahgunyah to Miss Jane Murphy eldest daughter of Mr. Henry Murphy of Springhurst. # Marina, which Cd for Beechworth are you speaking of? # I wonder if the Henry above is one of yours? # As for access to the Burke Museum, you may be lucky enough to find someone who will be visiting, but the mining register isn't that easy to go thru. You can access the Museum on their website and ask for research- there will be charge. # I have some of the old Ovens and Murray Advertisers during the 1850-1900 but without any dates or other information it too will be a huge field to wander thru. If you do have information, I would be happy to look thru the papers that I have. regards Denise

Not so far Ray, will keep looking as I get out more papers etc. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <joanmck@cv.quik.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Northeast and Americans > Hi Denise, > John Henry STILES, (STYLES) would be appreciated. I don't > know > what he came out for (gold, hideaway, anything) but he set up as an > undertaker in and > around Wangaratta, early 1900s removed to Melb. (Same work). cannot trace > after 1916. > Cheers Ray. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:56 PM > Subject: [HC] Northeast and Americans > > >> Hi all >> for those of you who have American interests, I'm happy to look up >> another > book I have here which was written about Americans in the gold times, and > tell you if the name is mentioned. >> >> regards >> Denise >> >> >

Hello All, This is one High Country family and descendents I am researching - James Oliver CUNNINGHAM c 1812 Londonderry - parents John CUNNINGHAM & Mary MEDALE - his spouse Mary Grace FOSTER c 1818 County Cavanagh - parents John FOSTER & Catherine Unknown m. 3.4.1843 New York. Children a.. Catherine Ann CUNNINGHAM b 1844 Ireland d 1908 Wangaratta m James Vallance MURPHY - 6 children all born Yack. b.. John James CUNNINGHAM c 1846 Londonderry d 28.12.1926 Kew m Jessie PARKHILL c 1848-1886 - 6 children c.. m Jane PARKHILL c 1855-1893 - 2 children d.. m Elizabeth Masterton FERRIER 1859-1947 - 3 children e.. Mary Grace CUNNINGHAM c 1847 Ireland d 1919 Sandringham m William KAIGHIN - 1 Child (died aged 5 months) f.. Oliver Foster CUNNINGHAM c 1848 Londonderry d 13.6.1916 Sandringham m Agnes Jane HADDEN 1857-1869 - 8 children g.. m Rose KING c 1849 - 1927 - no children h.. Matilda CUNNINGHAM c 1851 Londonderry d 1928 Wahgunyah m George Glen HAIG - 7 Children i.. Elizabeth CUNNINGHAM c 1852 Londonderry d 1898 Clifton Hills m Henry FOSTER 1846-1902 - 7 Children (My line) ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ Mary of Melbourne -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

Hello Marina, According to the Inquest CD this Catherine MURPHY died as a result of a ruptured blood vessel in Prahran. Digger - Inquest Index. Victoria 1840 - 1985 Surname: MURPHY Given Names: Catherine Place: Prahran Year: 1863 Reference: 279 Cause: Rupture Blood Vessel There may or may not be more information contained in the inquest notes, however I have always found them well worth looking at. Although this is a relatively early period in Victoria's history it would at least contain the doctor's deposition, possibly a deposition from the person who may have been nursing her or the person who reported her illness. There were hospitals in this area (and still are) so she may have been admitted to a hospital and if so there could be an admission report and a deposition from an attending nurse. At best she may be at her own residence and there could be a deposition from a family member. It would also be advisable to check for a will, which many times contain much information. Inquests and wills are ordered online from the PRO in North Melbourne and pages of the report can be ordered for 65 cents per page and postage is $2.75. I am quite happy to get these for you but am not going to North Melbourne this week, however they may be someone else on the list who is?? Hope this helps, ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ Regards, Mary of Melbourne FOSTER, Coventry - PRITCHARD,Coventry - GEOFFREY, Middlesex - ORCHARD, Warminster, Wiltshire STUART,Glasgow, - EDWARDS,England, GREATZ,NSW - PFITZNER, Prussia WILLIAMS,CUNNINGHAM, HUMPHREYS,MULVIHILL - All to Victoria Australia --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > Hello Everyone, > > Thank you to Joan, Wendy and Zola and Ronda for their responses to my init ial message. > The enigma of Catherine Murphy continues. > Having purchased a death certificate from Prov for a Catherine Murphy, am, "none the wiser". The cited Catherine died in Prahran, (a suburb of Melbourne!), in a hotel, in 1863, aged 28. All other data unknown to the informant, thus of no use. > > So, it's back to the elusive Josephus Murphy for information on, in the Beechworth region. He is not cited in the Ovens and Murray Biographical Dictionary so I have been informed via an inquiry. > > As yet no one has been able to inform me about mining registers held at the Burke Museum. This is of much interest to me. Does anyone have access to these please, who could do a look up for me. > > Most grateful for anything on this person. > > Regards, > Marina in New Zealand

Denise My Baldwins were great travellers. Came originally from Long Island, New York. My ancestor Samuel Baldwin, son of William Baldwin was born in Boston (although some records say Virginia!). By 1840s the family had travelled west through Ohio, Kentucky and Missouri, reaching the Wisconsin goldfields. Samuel arrived in Sydney 1851, went to NZ for about 5 years, then back to NSW and Victoria. Thanks for the offer to look up BALDWIN in your book Simon

Hec My Alcocks came from Worcestershire. Ann ALCOCK married Henry GULLEN in 1854 at Wodonga. Her uncle, Hugh ALCOCK used the alias Willam CLARK for some unknown reason. Simon

Simon, I have checked three books so far and the name only appears in the book written about the town of Oakham Ma and other towns when a family may have moved or married into. Will do more when I can - Simon what did your Baldwin do in North East Vic? I may be able to narrow down where to look if I know. If it is here, it could be in one of many places. The Baldwin names are - Baldwins of Spencer (all with surname Spencer unless otherwise shown) John William Zerubbael (Zorobbabel) of Spencer Joseph of Malden, Charlton of Spencer Joseph of Malden Joseph of Mildford William and Mary (Howland) m - Sarah Elizabeth Holt (dau of George Gates Holt) then m- Ruth A Prouty of Oakham George Holt Philip BTW Simon this entry references Baldwin Genealogy 2:609), so obviously something has been done on the name. My book was written in the 1940s. As you can see, they moved around married elsewhere but the book is written about the families of Oakham Ma. From: "S & A Liddle" <liddle40@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Research interests > Denise > > My Baldwins were great travellers. Came originally from Long Island, New > York. My > ancestor Samuel Baldwin, son of William Baldwin was born in Boston > (although some > records say Virginia!). By 1840s the family had travelled west through > Ohio, Kentucky > and Missouri, reaching the Wisconsin goldfields. Samuel arrived in Sydney > 1851, > went to NZ for about 5 years, then back to NSW and Victoria. Thanks for > the offer to > look up BALDWIN in your book > > Simon >

Hi Ronda Can help with on of these. Mary Elizabeth (Minnie) McKibbin, was the daughter of Alice McKibbin, born, according to my records 1867 in Yack when Alice was 22, and raised by Alice's parents Robert & Mary Ann (nee McGee). I have no Alexander McCullough - can you shed any light on him? Perhaps someone could do a birth lookup in Pioneers for parents of Alexander McCullough born 1885 -1887? Maybe Reginald McMillan was Martha Jane McKibbin's son. She married William McMillan. Again, unfortunately my CD has died but perhaps someone could do a birth lookup. Looks like half the school was filled with McGee descendents! Cheers Merren -----Original Message----- From: Ronda Shambrook [mailto:shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 9:39 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Hillsborough school pupils 1894 Hi Wendy, Henry Stone is a younger brother of Maria. Pupils 1894 The following pupils were enrolled at Hillsborough State School No. 889 on 5th April, 1894 (Head office in Melbourne was looking at closing the school) Mary E. McKibbin born 1886, distance from school 3miles Albert Clingin b. 1889 1/4 mile Stanley Ralph B 1886 1/4 mile Alexander Mc Cullough b. 1886 1/4 mile (only a visitor) May Clingin b. 1886 1/4 mile Wolesly Ralph b. 1885 1/4/ mile Gordon Ralph b. 1885 1/4 mile Reginald McMillan b. 1884 3 miles (only a visitor) Henry Stone b. 1883 1/2 mile Alfred Crawford b. 1881 1/4 mile Walter Clingin 1883 1/4 mile Martha Waterson 1880 5 miles William Crawford 1879 1/4 mile Percy Clingin 1882 1/4 mile Amelia Ralph 1878 1/4 mile Violet Waterson 1883 5 miles Names of children who have exemption certificates (Nil) Nearest existing school other than this (Stanley 5 miles) Names of children likely to attend in the immediate future: Cyril Trezise 3 yrs 6 months State of buildings: fairly good condition Character of roads in locality: Very rough and during winter very bad indeed. Margaret Waterson (teacher) --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004

Kerry, Yes they were brothers, came out together from the States about 1855. Isaac stayed in Bright, had an interest in gold but his main occupation was in sawmilling industry. Very sadly most of their children died very young or as young adults. One family member has done a wonderful job with the family graves and has put plaques on it to represent each of the people buried there. Alexander, son of Walter and Ellen was my grandfather and I remember him well. He died in 1957. His brother Grant was killed in South Africa. Thanks Kerry, Bev -----Original Message----- From: Kerry [mailto:kerryb@austarnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2004 6:04 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] KERRY There were no Sloanes or Forsyth registered Crooked River, but there is a reference to Re Harrietville Bright are. Mining Lease No 850 dated 12.4.66 the applicants are Gitchell, Ewin Surflen, Isaac Sloane, James Manfield. The name of the mine is The Pennsylvania Q.M.Co. The location is right and left hand branches, Ovens River near United Miners reef. The outcome was surrended 6.6.71. The lease was transferred 15.8.1869 to Hanna, Law and Sandilands. "They decided to place a 10 head engine driven battery on the site erected by Mr Sloan of Freeburgh and the plant was ready by the end of the year" (this is around 1901) Kerry Looks like Isaac was a brother to Walter. Isaac Sloan and Sarah Lyons Harriet Elizabeth born MORSES CK 1861 died age 9 1871 at Freeburg Edith born Woolshed 1865 David born Ovens 1867 died age 21 at Freeburg 1884 Isaac Greer Morses Creek 1867 William Cunningham Bright 1869 (un-named female 1871) Freeburg George Washington Freeburg 1874 Josephine Freeburg 1876 Birdie Evaline Freeburg 1879 Eliza Jane Freeburg 1881 Walt Edwd Died Father: Isaac Mother: Sarah LYONS Age: 26 Death Place: FREEBURGH Year: 1886 Walter Sloan and Ellen Forsyth Children: Walter William born GROW 1865 Mary Jane born MORSES CRE 1868 Grant born Harrietville 1872 Alexander born Omeo 1875 Henry born Omeo 1878 Helen born Omeo 1881 Jean born Omeo 1884 Christina Craig born Omeo 1887 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Walker" <bbwalker@vic.chariot.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: [HC] KERRY Hi Kerry, My Americans came to Oz in 1855 approx. and were mining in the Beechworth and Bright areas before moving on to Benambra and Omeo. Ggrandfather is reputed to have found the first reef gold in Omeo and one of his sons found the Democrat Mine, which proved to be very successful. Unfortunately I feel that he sold it before it reached its peak. They were the Sloan's and the other side was Forsyth. Have you come across any of them in your research? Thanks Bev -----Original Message----- From: Kerry [mailto:kerryb@austarnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 8:13 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] KERRY Thats great Denise Its the same Ellen that worked for THE COMPANY :-) I haven't researched here yet can't seem to get out of Crooked River/Dargo at the moment. What I have been doing is finding where all the Diggers came from, what groups they formed (usually they were brothers or in-laws etc) and where they ended up settling, I can nearly safely say that at least 80% of the High Country people (Bogong, Harrietville, Dargo, Omeo, Benambra etc..) came from the Crooked River Diggings, some came via Beechworth, some Buckland others Bendigo. There is a group of Americans that have come from Yackandandah Beechworth area and were nearly the first on the diggings except for the Omeo Benambra mob, They even called their reef The New American Reef. Also I found another from the States but not sure if its him or his wife from the US, his name is Samuel Riley married to Jane Huges, they travelled over from Osborne Flat with the Nelson Hubbert and Mary McKinnon party. It would be interesting to find out about the Smith family and if they were related to Oliver Smith. The other Smiths I have, have come from Gipps and Melb Although I hate researching the name Smith, I feel sorry for anyone that has this as their surname re genealogy. Is anyone doing Tallangatta area, I am after would appreciate anything on the Kirks of this area. Some info Edward Kirk born Kilkenny Ireland, arrived Williamstown May 1872 where he went to join his sister Mary at Crooked river, and his sister Catherine at Dargo Flat. After spending seven years at the diggings he was very successful. Then went to Maffra where he bought 320 acres, rented 3000 acres and became a registered grazier. In 1883 he married Mary Ann O'Sullivan, then sold the 3000 acres in 1887 and bought a hotel and 1000 acres at Bullwah near Tallangatta, while still owning the 320 acres near Maffra Sale. Thanks Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: [HC] KERRY Kerry - Re John Smith of Chiltern - his widow married an Ellen. Have you done any research into the Smiths of Chiltern. I am wondering if Oscar Smith was related to John? Both from USA , both settled in Chiltern. do you have anything? regards Denise --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Thanks Denise, Would you mind looking for Sloan, Mateer and Craig. Thanks very much, Bev/ -----Original Message----- From: Denise [mailto:denisem@powerup.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2004 8:56 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Northeast and Americans Hi all for those of you who have American interests, I'm happy to look up another book I have here which was written about Americans in the gold times, and tell you if the name is mentioned. regards Denise --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.795 / Virus Database: 539 - Release Date: 12/11/2004

Hi Simon, Would Bert HONEYCHURCH be in your group, successful horse trainer, (Gallopers) trained at Berrigan, NSW, Died just before turn of century. Cheers Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: S & A Liddle <liddle40@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: [HC] Research interests > Hi list members > > My interests are as follows: > > ANYTHING to do with Glenrowan and surrounding district 1840-1880 > > Family names: > > Liddle (Glenrowan/Greta/11 Mile Creek/Wangaratta) > Gullen (Beechworth) > Alcock (Beechworth) > Clark (Chiltern) > Lock (Yackandandah) > Hobbs (Yackandandah) > Baldwin (from Mass. and Wisconsin, USA. In Beechworth area late 1850s) > Honeychurch (Bright) > > Denise, as you know I'm collecting information on coaching company FOSTER & > VINGE. Also anything on policeman/publican Ambrose Maurice HOLWAY > (Wangaratta, Greta, Glenrowan). > > Simon > >

Hi Denise, John Henry STILES, (STYLES) would be appreciated. I don't know what he came out for (gold, hideaway, anything) but he set up as an undertaker in and around Wangaratta, early 1900s removed to Melb. (Same work). cannot trace after 1916. Cheers Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: [HC] Northeast and Americans > Hi all > for those of you who have American interests, I'm happy to look up another book I have here which was written about Americans in the gold times, and tell you if the name is mentioned. > > regards > Denise > >

Hi Kerry, Typhoid fever etc are options I had often wondered about, due to the prevailing conditions of the epoch in which these people lived. Life had to be horribly "rough" and tough. You have just answered this question for me. Suicide - never considered that, but, had even thought of murder!!! Was getting really desperate with this one!!! The Catherine Murphy death cited, of a ruptured blood vessel has interested me as well. Have an inquest report coming for one Catherine's death, so shall wait and see what arises from that. Cheers, Marina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > Sounds like unless Josephus is a J, they have been sent to a relative. I > did > a search of Inquest for Victoria, Josephus may have been imprisoned and > the > children sent away. > There was also Typhoid fever in Beechworth District 1864-1865 > > Inquests into Catherine Murphys > > MURPHY Catherine Place: Prahran Year: 1863 Reference: 279 Cause: Rupture > Blood Vessel > > MURPHY Catherine Place: Kangaroo Flat Year: 1866 Reference: 384 Cause: > > MURPHY Catherine C Place: Scarsdale Year: 1885 Reference: 1217 Cause: > Kicked > By Horse > > MURPHY Catherine Age: 58 Place: Milawa Year: 1886 Reference: 160 Cause: > Natural Causes > > Beechworth 1863-1865 (lots of suicides over these years) > > UNKNOWN Place: Beechworth Year: 1864 Reference: 579 Sex: M Cause: Suicide > hanged Occupation: Labourer > > > Kerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > > > Hi Kerry, > Many thanks, but I have had this data for some time, Yes , correct, > Josephus > and the two surviving children came to New Zealand, to go on to the Otago > goldfields. They remained in NZ. But here lies yet another enigma.The two > surviving children arrived, aged 6 and 4 respectively, unaccompanied by a > parent on 15th March 1865, aboard the ship Hero to Otago.Why was there no > parent with them? Despite the fact that I have ready access to passenger > lists from Melbourne for this time period, Josephus cannot be definitely > identified on any, as initials only are employed. Numerous J Murphy's!! > Which one is mine??!! No Mrs M's aboard any ship that "fit" the time > period. > No death record for Catherine in NZ exists. > Scenarios galore arise, Wendy. Something happened to Catherine in Aus I > believe, this is why I have searched so long and persistently for her > death. Locating it would partly answer the "riddle". As you mention this > is > the proverbial "needle" story, and one that I will never unravel > satisfactorily. > I really need to locate something/anything of Josephus between 1863 and > 1865. The youngest child died 1863, in Beechworth, leaving this two year > unknown gap. Did they go somewhere else? We will never know I'm afraid. > Extremely grateful for your assistance Kerry. Thanks so much. > Regards, > Marina > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > > >> Hi Marina >> I did a search covering the >> Pioneer Index >> Federation Index >> Edwardian Index >> Tasmanian Pioneers Index >> NSW BDM >> >> I can't find anything after 1863, thought I maybe able to follow their >> children John Malcolm and Rubert but nothing also nothing on their father >> under Josephus and Joseph. And because there are so many Catherines with >> parents unknown, i'ts a bit like a needle in a haystack, I have a feeling >> that because there are no more children recorded after 1863 nor Josephus >> they may have left the State. This is about the time of the N.Zealand >> rush. >> But also many went to Queensland. And much later Western Australia >> chasing >> the elusive gold. I had a look also through the Harrietville and Crooked >> River miners couldn't find him there. >> >> Included some info you probably already have >> >> Kerry >> >> MURPHY John Malcolm Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: Cath ARNOLD Birth Place: WOOLSHED Year: 1857 >> >> MURPHY Harriet Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: >> Elizabeth Catherine ARNOLD Birth Place: BUCKLAND Year: 1859 >> >> MURPHY Harriet Died Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: >> Catherine Age: 1 Birth Place: BUC Year: 1860 >> >> MURPHY Rubert Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: >> Cath ARNOLD Birth Place: MORSES CK Year: 1861 >> >> MURPHY Josephus Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: Catherine WESTLY Birth Place: OVEN Year: 1863 >> >> MURPHY Joseph Cephas Died Spouse Surname/Father: Joseph Cepha Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: Catherine ARNOLD Age: 7M Birth Place: BEEC Year: 1863 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MURPHY Catherine Died Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: Age: 28 Birth Place: GLOU Year: 1863 >> >> MURPHY Catherine Died Spouse Surname/Father: U Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: >> Age: >> 71 Year: 1867 >> >> MURPHY Catherine D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: >> Age: 30 Birth Place: DUBL Year: 1869 >> >> MURPHY Catherine D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn >> Names/Mother: >> Age: 58 Death Place: MELB S Year: 1882 >> >> MURPHY Catherine D spouse Surname/Father: Wm Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: >> Age: >> 60 Death Place: GEELONG Year: 1883 >> >> >> >> MURPHY Joseph D Spouse Surname/Father: James Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: >> Elizabeth BROWN Age: 58 Birth Place: U Year: 1880 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> >> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:34 AM >> Subject: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold >> >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Thank you to Joan, Wendy and Zola and Ronda for their responses to my >> initial message. >> The enigma of Catherine Murphy continues. >> Having purchased a death certificate from Prov for a Catherine Murphy, >> am, >> "none the wiser". The cited Catherine died in Prahran, (a suburb of >> Melbourne!), in a hotel, in 1863, aged 28. All other data unknown to the >> informant, thus of no use. >> >> So, it's back to the elusive Josephus Murphy for information on, in the >> Beechworth region. He is not cited in the Ovens and Murray Biographical >> Dictionary so I have been informed via an inquiry. >> >> As yet no one has been able to inform me about mining registers held at >> the >> Burke Museum. This is of much interest to me. Does anyone have access to >> these please, who could do a look up for me. >> >> Most grateful for anything on this person. >> >> Regards, >> Marina in New Zealand >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

Hi Marina, I'm sorry the death certificate did not provide you with more information. I have a similar situation with my ggg-grandfather James HINCH who disappeared into smoke around 1853. I think it is he who died in Mudgee in 1877 - but how to prove it..... His wife remarried in 1855 but in those days a couple of years' desertion was sufficient to assume the spouse was dead. The evidence supports the fact that he left the marital home because his wife was probably cavorting with his friend and next door neighbour who she ultimately married. He sold his land to the neighbour and disappeared - maybe back to where he first started life in Australia as a convict. His death was the subject of an inquest but unlike Victoria the NSW records appear to be incomplete, so no joy there either. I won't be giving up but his life story becomes an obsession. Hi eldest daughter married in Beechworth in 1865 and the certificate suggests that he was still alive. His occupation at the time was the same as the person of the same name who died in 1877. How much proof does one need ?? Kind regards and I hope something turns up in the not too distant future. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > Hello Everyone, > > Thank you to Joan, Wendy and Zola and Ronda for their responses to my initial message. > The enigma of Catherine Murphy continues. > Having purchased a death certificate from Prov for a Catherine Murphy, am, "none the wiser". The cited Catherine died in Prahran, (a suburb of Melbourne!), in a hotel, in 1863, aged 28. All other data unknown to the informant, thus of no use. > > So, it's back to the elusive Josephus Murphy for information on, in the Beechworth region. He is not cited in the Ovens and Murray Biographical Dictionary so I have been informed via an inquiry. > > As yet no one has been able to inform me about mining registers held at the Burke Museum. This is of much interest to me. Does anyone have access to these please, who could do a look up for me. > > Most grateful for anything on this person. > > Regards, > Marina in New Zealand > > > >

Does anyone have any snippets you would be prepared to post, in regards the daily trials and tribulations of our ancestors in the northeast? My contribution - (g) - Bad feelings existed between NSW and Victorian colonists. When those from over the boarder presented their NSW money to pay for their licenses on the Ovens diggings they were told that foreign money was not accepted. Denise

Hi Kerry, Many thanks, but I have had this data for some time, Yes , correct, Josephus and the two surviving children came to New Zealand, to go on to the Otago goldfields. They remained in NZ. But here lies yet another enigma.The two surviving children arrived, aged 6 and 4 respectively, unaccompanied by a parent on 15th March 1865, aboard the ship Hero to Otago.Why was there no parent with them? Despite the fact that I have ready access to passenger lists from Melbourne for this time period, Josephus cannot be definitely identified on any, as initials only are employed. Numerous J Murphy's!! Which one is mine??!! No Mrs M's aboard any ship that "fit" the time period. No death record for Catherine in NZ exists. Scenarios galore arise, Wendy. Something happened to Catherine in Aus I believe, this is why I have searched so long and persistently for her death. Locating it would partly answer the "riddle". As you mention this is the proverbial "needle" story, and one that I will never unravel satisfactorily. I really need to locate something/anything of Josephus between 1863 and 1865. The youngest child died 1863, in Beechworth, leaving this two year unknown gap. Did they go somewhere else? We will never know I'm afraid. Extremely grateful for your assistance Kerry. Thanks so much. Regards, Marina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > Hi Marina > I did a search covering the > Pioneer Index > Federation Index > Edwardian Index > Tasmanian Pioneers Index > NSW BDM > > I can't find anything after 1863, thought I maybe able to follow their > children John Malcolm and Rubert but nothing also nothing on their father > under Josephus and Joseph. And because there are so many Catherines with > parents unknown, i'ts a bit like a needle in a haystack, I have a feeling > that because there are no more children recorded after 1863 nor Josephus > they may have left the State. This is about the time of the N.Zealand > rush. > But also many went to Queensland. And much later Western Australia chasing > the elusive gold. I had a look also through the Harrietville and Crooked > River miners couldn't find him there. > > Included some info you probably already have > > Kerry > > MURPHY John Malcolm Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: Cath ARNOLD Birth Place: WOOLSHED Year: 1857 > > MURPHY Harriet Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: > Elizabeth Catherine ARNOLD Birth Place: BUCKLAND Year: 1859 > > MURPHY Harriet Died Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: > Catherine Age: 1 Birth Place: BUC Year: 1860 > > MURPHY Rubert Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: > Cath ARNOLD Birth Place: MORSES CK Year: 1861 > > MURPHY Josephus Born Spouse Surname/Father: Josephus Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: Catherine WESTLY Birth Place: OVEN Year: 1863 > > MURPHY Joseph Cephas Died Spouse Surname/Father: Joseph Cepha Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: Catherine ARNOLD Age: 7M Birth Place: BEEC Year: 1863 > > > > > > > > MURPHY Catherine Died Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn > Names/Mother: Age: 28 Birth Place: GLOU Year: 1863 > > MURPHY Catherine Died Spouse Surname/Father: U Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: > 71 Year: 1867 > > MURPHY Catherine D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: 30 Birth Place: DUBL Year: 1869 > > MURPHY Catherine D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: 58 Death Place: MELB S Year: 1882 > > MURPHY Catherine D spouse Surname/Father: Wm Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: > 60 Death Place: GEELONG Year: 1883 > > > > MURPHY Joseph D Spouse Surname/Father: James Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Elizabeth BROWN Age: 58 Birth Place: U Year: 1880 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:34 AM > Subject: [HC] Josephus Murphy and Catherine Arnold > > > Hello Everyone, > > Thank you to Joan, Wendy and Zola and Ronda for their responses to my > initial message. > The enigma of Catherine Murphy continues. > Having purchased a death certificate from Prov for a Catherine Murphy, am, > "none the wiser". The cited Catherine died in Prahran, (a suburb of > Melbourne!), in a hotel, in 1863, aged 28. All other data unknown to the > informant, thus of no use. > > So, it's back to the elusive Josephus Murphy for information on, in the > Beechworth region. He is not cited in the Ovens and Murray Biographical > Dictionary so I have been informed via an inquiry. > > As yet no one has been able to inform me about mining registers held at > the > Burke Museum. This is of much interest to me. Does anyone have access to > these please, who could do a look up for me. > > Most grateful for anything on this person. > > Regards, > Marina in New Zealand > > > > > > >

Hi all for those of you who have American interests, I'm happy to look up another book I have here which was written about Americans in the gold times, and tell you if the name is mentioned. regards Denise