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Hi Denise, It is really nice to have someone to "thrash" ideas around with, thank you so much. If I have the correct shipping arrival in NZ, of James SMITH, then he was at this time listed as a Tailor. And I know that the youngest daughter married into a family that seemed to be Mining/miners. But what James actually did in Australia I am unsure. The only other piece of info that I have on the family is that Ann was in Victoria about 20 yrs at the time of her death - making arriving in Victoria about 1857. If this is so then they were in NSW at least 10 years but it is still guess work. Thank you Pat -----Original Message----- From: Denise [mailto:denisem@powerup.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 November 2004 5:02 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] SMITH >>From Ann SMITHs death certificate - The informant was her > son in law. Can I conclude from that, that her husband was > deceased?? I wouldn't Pat, while it may be likely, it could have been ill, too upset, or even away from home at the time of death. The name Pioneer was bestowed on those who came early to the area. Beechworth for example gave their Pioneers a badge. As the numbers diminished (thru death) the year of arrival was moved from 1853 to the 1860s,, I guess so they could keep numbers under the banner Pioneer. Others may have other ideas of course, I'd be happy to hear their version. The Indexes in marriages usually don't give place of marriage but sometimes place of birth. What was the family doing? Mining? Farming? regards denise > The certificate also says "John Thomas BETTLES Son In Law of > deceased Pioneer - Bright" - does the word "Pioneer" mean or > imply many years in the area or would four-five years be > enough to qualify?? > > Youngest daughter first married in1869 (indexes do not state > "Bright") The child from this marriage was born in > Inglewood. Which is quite a way away. Her second marriage > was in 1873, and the children from this marriage, were born > in Bright. > > Still looking for advice! Thank you. > > Regards, > Pat >

ooh ahh, Kenny;s Baths is a post we shouldn't peek into D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Link > Another great link for those who have missing people and child deserters > that could be on police files is > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hdharris/criminals.htm > > Kerry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:18 PM > Subject: [HC] Link > > > http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/boer_war.htm > > A great link for various wars . > > Denise > > >

and a few from the north too Kerry I see Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <kerryb@austarnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Link > Another great link for those who have missing people and child deserters > that could be on police files is > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hdharris/criminals.htm > > Kerry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:18 PM > Subject: [HC] Link > > > http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/boer_war.htm > > A great link for various wars . > > Denise > > >

Another great link for those who have missing people and child deserters that could be on police files is http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hdharris/criminals.htm Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: [HC] Link http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/boer_war.htm A great link for various wars . Denise

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/boer_war.htm A great link for various wars . Denise

Hello, After replying/ thanking Denise I had a thought. On a death certificate does it usually mention whether the person was a widow/er or not?? From Ann SMITHs death certificate - The informant was her son in law. Can I conclude from that, that her husband was deceased?? The certificate also says "John Thomas BETTLES Son In Law of deceased Pioneer - Bright" - does the word "Pioneer" mean or imply many years in the area or would four-five years be enough to qualify?? Youngest daughter first married in1869 (indexes do not state "Bright") The child from this marriage was born in Inglewood. Which is quite a way away. Her second marriage was in 1873, and the children from this marriage, were born in Bright. Still looking for advice! Thank you. Regards, Pat

Hi Denise, Thank you very much for these entries. I really appreciate your help. I have not as yet checked with the Bright Historical Society but shall look into that now. My problem is I am not sure whether he died in Sydney before they moved down, or even if the whole family lived in Tarnagulla and he died there before Ann and Annie moved on to Bright. Or if the family lived in Bright and Georgina moved out. So many variables! Maybe the best I can do is to collect all the possible James SMITHs. Maybe a death certificate may have some answers. Regards, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Denise [mailto:denisem@powerup.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 November 2004 1:17 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] SMITH/BETTLES/CONACHER/CAITHNESS There is a James Smith mentioned in the history of Yackandandah School 1855-1991 by C A Mott - I don't have copy, perhaps someone else does. - There is an Obit of James Smith in Alpine Observer 3/1/1908 - he died December 31 1907 at Porepunkah - colonist of 58 years aged 83 years. Other Smiths mentioned in the district, George, Henry. Another James Smith Obit in Alpine Observer Died Feb 12/1904 at Buffalo River - in paper on 19th Feb - The Bright Historical Group may be able to assist you Pat, have you tried them? regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [HC] SMITH/BETTLES/CONACHER/CAITHNESS > Hello all, > > I hope I have the right list. > > I am having trouble with my GGG Grandfather - James SMITH. > > I know that he married Ann RAIT 1/1/1842 in Fifeshire. I > think they arrived in NZ on the "Thomas Harrison" on > 25/10/1842 and their first child Georgina SMITH was born > about 1842 family lore says in Nelson NZ, could have been on > the voyage out - yet to find any written evidence. > > They only had one other child, Annie, was born about 1847 in > Sydney, NSW (too many to be sure if 1846-48). > > I have Ann nee RAIT's death - 9/1/1877 in Bright and she is > buried in Bright Cemetery with her daughter Annie and a > grandchild. Annie married William CONACHER then after his > death she married John Thomas BETTLES. > > Georgina moved to Tarnagulla where she married James > Robertson CAITHNESS then they moved to Williamstown. > > Now my problem is James SMITH. How do I work out which > death is his? He is not buried with Ann. Any ideas??? > > Thank you > Regards, > Pat >

>>From Ann SMITHs death certificate - The informant was her > son in law. Can I conclude from that, that her husband was > deceased?? I wouldn't Pat, while it may be likely, it could have been ill, too upset, or even away from home at the time of death. The name Pioneer was bestowed on those who came early to the area. Beechworth for example gave their Pioneers a badge. As the numbers diminished (thru death) the year of arrival was moved from 1853 to the 1860s,, I guess so they could keep numbers under the banner Pioneer. Others may have other ideas of course, I'd be happy to hear their version. The Indexes in marriages usually don't give place of marriage but sometimes place of birth. What was the family doing? Mining? Farming? regards denise > The certificate also says "John Thomas BETTLES Son In Law of > deceased Pioneer - Bright" - does the word "Pioneer" mean or > imply many years in the area or would four-five years be > enough to qualify?? > > Youngest daughter first married in1869 (indexes do not state > "Bright") The child from this marriage was born in > Inglewood. Which is quite a way away. Her second marriage > was in 1873, and the children from this marriage, were born > in Bright. > > Still looking for advice! Thank you. > > Regards, > Pat >

Hi all, I'm trying to put together a Favourites folder of Directories/ Electoral Rolls/ Census etc for what started to be the northeast but has expanded worldwide now. I'm hoping listers will be prepared to share their links on this list for us all. The one below just hit my desktop and I see a couple of familiar names from this list - it's for 1847 Port Phillip (ie Victoria) Denise http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dotwells/1847A.htm

Does anyone on the list have BDMs for WA? If so I would appreciate a look up for death of one Catherine (KATE) nee SHERRY. I don't know her married name or when, but thanks to Ronda I do know she was living in WA in 1937. There are not a lot of options for Catherine KATE Sherry marriage in Victoria. The most likely is labelled as being born in Bright but they family didn't live there to my knowledge - they were in the Black Springs/Beechworth/Newtown area. I don't have children for this marriage either if this is possible. Thanks Denise

There is a James Smith mentioned in the history of Yackandandah School 1855-1991 by C A Mott - I don't have copy, perhaps someone else does. - There is an Obit of James Smith in Alpine Observer 3/1/1908 - he died December 31 1907 at Porepunkah - colonist of 58 years aged 83 years. Other Smiths mentioned in the district, George, Henry. Another James Smith Obit in Alpine Observer Died Feb 12/1904 at Buffalo River - in paper on 19th Feb - The Bright Historical Group may be able to assist you Pat, have you tried them? regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [HC] SMITH/BETTLES/CONACHER/CAITHNESS > Hello all, > > I hope I have the right list. > > I am having trouble with my GGG Grandfather - James SMITH. > > I know that he married Ann RAIT 1/1/1842 in Fifeshire. I > think they arrived in NZ on the "Thomas Harrison" on > 25/10/1842 and their first child Georgina SMITH was born > about 1842 family lore says in Nelson NZ, could have been on > the voyage out - yet to find any written evidence. > > They only had one other child, Annie, was born about 1847 in > Sydney, NSW (too many to be sure if 1846-48). > > I have Ann nee RAIT's death - 9/1/1877 in Bright and she is > buried in Bright Cemetery with her daughter Annie and a > grandchild. Annie married William CONACHER then after his > death she married John Thomas BETTLES. > > Georgina moved to Tarnagulla where she married James > Robertson CAITHNESS then they moved to Williamstown. > > Now my problem is James SMITH. How do I work out which > death is his? He is not buried with Ann. Any ideas??? > > Thank you > Regards, > Pat >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [HC] SMITH/BETTLES/CONACHER/CAITHNESS > Hello all, > > I hope I have the right list. > > I am having trouble with my GGG Grandfather - James SMITH. > > I know that he married Ann RAIT 1/1/1842 in Fifeshire. I > think they arrived in NZ on the "Thomas Harrison" on > 25/10/1842 and their first child Georgina SMITH was born > about 1842 family lore says in Nelson NZ, could have been on > the voyage out - yet to find any written evidence. > > They only had one other child, Annie, was born about 1847 in > Sydney, NSW (too many to be sure if 1846-48). > > I have Ann nee RAIT's death - 9/1/1877 in Bright and she is > buried in Bright Cemetery with her daughter Annie and a > grandchild. Annie married William CONACHER then after his > death she married John Thomas BETTLES. > > Georgina moved to Tarnagulla where she married James > Robertson CAITHNESS then they moved to Williamstown. > > Now my problem is James SMITH. How do I work out which > death is his? He is not buried with Ann. Any ideas??? > > Thank you > Regards, > Pat >

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Henry is not one of mine. Thanks for the thought, Zola. Regards Terry Murphy Qld. -----Original Message----- From: Zola Ortenburg [mailto:zolaortenburg@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:16 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Murphy Is Henry Murphy born March 23, 1877 any relation to the other Murphy's on the list? Zola ______________________________

Hello Simon Can you please give me more details on Ann Alcock, her date of birth and parents if known. I have been collating all Alcocks in Victoria of late, trying to find the key to my overseas links. regards Hec -----Original Message----- From: S & A Liddle [mailto:liddle40@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 8:47 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Alcock Hec My Alcocks came from Worcestershire. Ann ALCOCK married Henry GULLEN in 1854 at Wodonga. Her uncle, Hugh ALCOCK used the alias Willam CLARK for some unknown reason. Simon

Hi Merren Very short on Ramsays, only have two sisters Ella Ruby "Ruby" Ramsay b: 1911 in Wangaratta, Vic d: 1973 in Seymour June Ramsay b: Abt. 1913 d: 1925 in Euroa cheers Hec -----Original Message----- From: Merren Cliff [mailto:mcliff@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 7:44 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HC] Hec is still here Hi Hec Do you have a Mary James Valentine Ramsay in your tree? She married Robert Moore McCullough in 1910. Cheers Merren -----Original Message----- From: Hec Alcock [mailto:heca@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 7:36 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Hec is still here Hi Wendy, Denise and all, Am still here, we took off for a few weeks to spend paddling on the Murray, then a funny thing happened, A Company asked me to work for the, seemed like, (and is fun). So I am not here all the time as I do a bit of travel. Still check all the messages in the hope of finding more Alcock, Fraser, Norden, Ramsay oldies Still chuckle over the circus Cheers Hec Alcock See the Alcock Family History at http://home.iprimus.com.au/heca/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/2004

Upper Murray & Mitta Herald - 18/11/1886 W.H. Foster P.M. appointed to preside over the Beechworth Prospecting Board. Distribution of the vote for 1887-8 for fencing cemeteries would be considered - applications for aid to be lodged before 31 Dec. Intention to grant a gold mining lease of 22a, 2r, 29p at Snowy Ck, to the Mammoth Hydraulic Sluicing & GM Co. The Berringa Common is about to be diminished by deducting therefrom 20 acres of land in the parish of Berringa, being the block applied for by Eliza Murphy, situate immediately south of the block licensed to Charles Murphy. Area of agricultural & grazing lands diminished - 240a, parish of Magorra, formerly block 20. This site added to the 'auriferous' area. Issue of new licenses under sec. 49 of Land Act 1869 approved - Wm Beatly, Berringa; Thos. Coleman, Gibbo; James Paton, Thowgla. Applications for leases (Land Act 1884) not granted - L.S. Burns, Berringama; E.A. Thwaites, Bolga; B. Ley, Yabbba; C.W .Reid, Wyeeboo; Jas. Sutherland jnr,, Chas. Star, Patk. O'Brien, Jno. Harris, Wm. Armstrong, D. Sutherland, Tangambalanga; J.F. Huon, A.E.S. Thwaites, M. Kearney, Jas. Kearney, Geo. Willis, Patk. Ryan, Mary Symington, John Loughstaff, Jas. & P Symington, Beethang; G.K. Jephcott, R. Stephenson, Hy. J. Frey, Tintaldra; Emma Davis, Thowgla, W.J. Griffiths, R.S. Sheather, J. Nankervis, Wabba; J.W. Evans, J. Evans, sen., Jas. Hanson, Towong; Wm.Tolmie, J. Ford, Wm. Woodside, Thowlga; T.T. Gemmell, N.A. Scales, P. Nicholson, Anna Rea, W.H. Hanrick, Mark Deveney, Bolga; T.J. O'Brien, Jas Gear, Granya. Application for grant approved - Geo. Bowran, Wagra. The Burrowye north run, Beechworth district, has been profeited for now payment of rent. Hope some familiar names to some. Chris

Hi folks I've spent the last 2 hours trying to find the birth of Catherine who Ronda found actually belonged to my SHERRY family in Beechworth. Her mother's obit showed 3 daughters living at time of death in 1907 and I had only two, couldn't find the third. In 1937 Catherine is mentioned again in the Obit of her sister Christina. I am hoping someone can trick the BDMs into giving me Catherine's birth. Her age on the school records indicates she was 11.11 in 1883 (Jan) making her 12 that year - 1883-12years = 1871. I cannot find CAtherine under SHERRY CHERRY SHEARY or other adaptations. Could some please try to find Catherine born circa 1870/71 to John and Catherine SHERRY (nee Conway) in Beechworth Newtown area. Birth of a child in 1869 was Newtown, death of Matilda in 1871 (death at 5 weeks) was Beechworth. I can't locate a birth for Matilda either. Of course it is possible Catherine and Matilda were twins the birth not registered - although many others were before and afterwards. Appreciated Denise