GOLDSWORTHY - anywhere in Australia. Specifically Gundowring, Tangambalanga, Yackandandah, Kiewa, Bethanga and Corryong. EDMONDSON - Yackandandah, Beechworth, Barnawartha, Mitta Mitta, Grendeun, Woolshed, Wodonga. REID - Kiewa, Yackandandah, Tallangatta, Dederang, Wooragee. DOWNING - Woods Point, Mansfield, Beechworth. McCULLOCH - Gundowring, Bendigo, Yackandandah, Stanley, Auburn, Dederang, Kiewa. TWIST - Yackandandah CROSS - Mitta Mitta, Tallandoon, Tallangatta, Yabba. COLLINS - Woods Point, Woolshed, Newtown, Beechworth, Growlers Creek. SEARLE - Bendigo. SIRL - Yackandandah, Bethanga, Tallangatta. And surrounding areas. Jackie Q

That hadn't occured to me, Denise. How apt! Mary's cousin is an ardent proponent of Welsh independance from England, while only in his 30s! He's a lovely boyo, but bitter at the dominance of the English language in his homeland. So he'd have had a lot of affinity with your extract from the OMA. To me, the translation makes me think it was for a good ol' Welsh party... whatever the reason. And I'm all for that. I'll pass on your thanks. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Translation from the Welsh. > I bet they didn't dream that in 150 years it would be translated back in the > ol' country, not where it was printed. > > Please pass along thanks to all, Peter > > It's interesting > their language we keep, > their land we lost, > > Denise > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ross" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:11 PM > Subject: [HC] Translation from the Welsh. > > > > Denise asked for a translation of the following from the OMA of 16 Feb > > 1857 in her email of 28 Feb 2004. Mary's just returned from her trip, and > > she had one of her cousins in North Wales, who's a fluent Welsh speaker, > > do the honours. He says there are a number of errors in the paper which > > makes it tough to translate, but he's done a more or less literal > > translation. > > > > OES Y BYD IR IAITH GYMRAEG > > TRA MOR TRA BRYTHON > > CYNHELIR DWLEDD COFFWDWRIAETH EIN HEU SAUT DDEWI AR BRYD NAWN DYDD ILUN YR > > AIL O FAWRTH NESEF YW NAUAUDD YR > > EL DORADO HOTEL > > BEECHWORTH > > PRYD Y DISGWILIR PRESENOLDEB POB GLAU > > GYMRO- > > EI DUN A FOLANT,EI IAITH A GADWANT, > > EI TIR A GOLLANT; > > OND GWYLLT WALIA > > YR ARLWY AR Y OWRDD 6 OR GLOCH BRYDNAWN. > > > > the above are not typos. Anyone able to translate? > > > > "The age of the world to the Welsh language > > While the Briton still exists > > A remembrance feast will be held for our old Saint David on the afternoon > > of next Monday the 22nd March in the hall of the > > El Dorado Hotel > > Beechworth > > We will expect the presence of every merry Welshman, ???, their language > > we keep, > > their land we lost, > > but wild is the Welshman ?? 6 o'clock in the afternoon". > > > > There yer go, Denise. Well, we tried! > > > > Peter

Thank you Ronda, Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronda Shambrook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Mansfield paper at SLV > Hi Denise, > I am more than happy to get it on my next visit to the SLV, but that wont > be for a few weeks. If you don't get a better offer, I'll put it at the > top of my 'newspaper look up list.' > Ronda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 2:43 PM > Subject: [HC] Mansfield paper at SLV > > >> Hi everyone from sunny Brisbane. Where's the rain!!!!!! >> >> Hoping someone is going to the SLV shortly and would be prepared to look >> for an Obit for me please in the Mansfield newspaper - which I am hoping >> is only the Courier. >> >> I have checked on line and spoken to a Librarian and the film/fiche is >> available without appointment. >> >> Robert King died in Mansfield on November 30th 1919. His death notice >> was in the Mansfield on 6th December 1919, so if there is an Obit I guess >> it would be in an edition or two either side if not that paper. >> >> I am more than happy to pay expenses. This Obit if it exists hopefully >> will prove a point which is in dispute. >> >> regards >> Denise >>

I bet they didn't dream that in 150 years it would be translated back in the ol' country, not where it was printed. Please pass along thanks to all, Peter It's interesting their language we keep, their land we lost, Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: [HC] Translation from the Welsh. > Denise asked for a translation of the following from the OMA of 16 Feb > 1857 in her email of 28 Feb 2004. Mary's just returned from her trip, and > she had one of her cousins in North Wales, who's a fluent Welsh speaker, > do the honours. He says there are a number of errors in the paper which > makes it tough to translate, but he's done a more or less literal > translation. > > OES Y BYD IR IAITH GYMRAEG > TRA MOR TRA BRYTHON > CYNHELIR DWLEDD COFFWDWRIAETH EIN HEU SAUT DDEWI AR BRYD NAWN DYDD ILUN YR > AIL O FAWRTH NESEF YW NAUAUDD YR > EL DORADO HOTEL > BEECHWORTH > PRYD Y DISGWILIR PRESENOLDEB POB GLAU > GYMRO- > EI DUN A FOLANT,EI IAITH A GADWANT, > EI TIR A GOLLANT; > OND GWYLLT WALIA > YR ARLWY AR Y OWRDD 6 OR GLOCH BRYDNAWN. > > the above are not typos. Anyone able to translate? > > "The age of the world to the Welsh language > While the Briton still exists > A remembrance feast will be held for our old Saint David on the afternoon > of next Monday the 22nd March in the hall of the > El Dorado Hotel > Beechworth > We will expect the presence of every merry Welshman, ???, their language > we keep, > their land we lost, > but wild is the Welshman ?? 6 o'clock in the afternoon". > > There yer go, Denise. Well, we tried! > > Peter

If that's 'my' Alex Pritchard, seems he was no stranger to the papers (especially around the time of his divorce!) Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: [HC] OMA 16.1.1860 > Alexander Prichard (sic) was charged with allowing 1 horse to stray. Fined 1s and 5/6 costs. > > Guess you could blame Ray's great-grandfather for this! He was the poundkeeper. The poundkeeper had a field day in court! > > D >

Thanks for that Denise - I sort of thought it was around that time. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: [HC] Pritchard > 19.12.1860 > > Mr. A. B Pritchard late of Ford-street Beechworth was granted his certificate of discharge last week. > > -- > posting further to our conversation earlier this week. > > D >

Hi Denise, I am more than happy to get it on my next visit to the SLV, but that wont be for a few weeks. If you don't get a better offer, I'll put it at the top of my 'newspaper look up list.' Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <[email protected]> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNT[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [HC] Mansfield paper at SLV > Hi everyone from sunny Brisbane. Where's the rain!!!!!! > > Hoping someone is going to the SLV shortly and would be prepared to look > for an Obit for me please in the Mansfield newspaper - which I am hoping > is only the Courier. > > I have checked on line and spoken to a Librarian and the film/fiche is > available without appointment. > > Robert King died in Mansfield on November 30th 1919. His death notice was > in the Mansfield on 6th December 1919, so if there is an Obit I guess it > would be in an edition or two either side if not that paper. > > I am more than happy to pay expenses. This Obit if it exists hopefully > will prove a point which is in dispute. > > regards > Denise >

Denise asked for a translation of the following from the OMA of 16 Feb 1857 in her email of 28 Feb 2004. Mary's just returned from her trip, and she had one of her cousins in North Wales, who's a fluent Welsh speaker, do the honours. He says there are a number of errors in the paper which makes it tough to translate, but he's done a more or less literal translation. OES Y BYD IR IAITH GYMRAEG TRA MOR TRA BRYTHON CYNHELIR DWLEDD COFFWDWRIAETH EIN HEU SAUT DDEWI AR BRYD NAWN DYDD ILUN YR AIL O FAWRTH NESEF YW NAUAUDD YR EL DORADO HOTEL BEECHWORTH PRYD Y DISGWILIR PRESENOLDEB POB GLAU GYMRO- EI DUN A FOLANT,EI IAITH A GADWANT, EI TIR A GOLLANT; OND GWYLLT WALIA YR ARLWY AR Y OWRDD 6 OR GLOCH BRYDNAWN. the above are not typos. Anyone able to translate? "The age of the world to the Welsh language While the Briton still exists A remembrance feast will be held for our old Saint David on the afternoon of next Monday the 22nd March in the hall of the El Dorado Hotel Beechworth We will expect the presence of every merry Welshman, ???, their language we keep, their land we lost, but wild is the Welshman ?? 6 o'clock in the afternoon". There yer go, Denise. Well, we tried! Peter

Hi everyone from sunny Brisbane. Where's the rain!!!!!! Hoping someone is going to the SLV shortly and would be prepared to look for an Obit for me please in the Mansfield newspaper - which I am hoping is only the Courier. I have checked on line and spoken to a Librarian and the film/fiche is available without appointment. Robert King died in Mansfield on November 30th 1919. His death notice was in the Mansfield on 6th December 1919, so if there is an Obit I guess it would be in an edition or two either side if not that paper. I am more than happy to pay expenses. This Obit if it exists hopefully will prove a point which is in dispute. regards Denise

Ha, Kathryn, you should see my 'office'. I really have so much stuff here I forget what I have got tucked away. I have the mini 'coffin' which I am wading thru bit by bit hoping to unearth forgotten material for the American research. If I find anything of interest to anyone I know about, I'll pass it on to the list. However, as I go away in 2 weeks, I doubt it will be before then. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Kathryn Lucas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: [HC] If it wasnt for you Denise ! > Patrick Rath would be long forgotten and we'd never know what he got up > to. > > I hadn't taken much notice of his exploits until I realised he was one of > mine. Had not done that side of the family for years. > > Now that the Rath name is popping up I have gone back to the archives and > read your past postings. Some of my other relatives I can find nothing on > them so reading about Patrick is very interesting. > > If you haven't already done so you need to open up your own museum one > day! > Cheers > Kathryn

Patrick Rath would be long forgotten and we'd never know what he got up to. I hadn't taken much notice of his exploits until I realised he was one of mine. Had not done that side of the family for years. Now that the Rath name is popping up I have gone back to the archives and read your past postings. Some of my other relatives I can find nothing on them so reading about Patrick is very interesting. If you haven't already done so you need to open up your own museum one day! Cheers Kathryn

Kathryn, have you explored the archives? The Raths pop up in the OMA often, so I've reported on their activities as I've found them over the years (g). D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Kathryn Lucas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [HC] OMA 5.1.1860 > Poor old G G G Uncle Patrick Rath. > Just cant seem to keep out of trouble! > Am enjoying his exploits > Kathryn

Well all I can think of is that they had to keep him out of jail, simply because they needed him the next Saturday playing cricket for Beechworth, - he pulled them thru the previous match by the skin of their teeth. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene R" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [HC] 26.12.1860 OMA > Hi Denise > > Thanks muchly for that titbit. Patrick had a son called Patrick too, and > four other sons as well. They seem to be a rather wild Irish type of > family, > don't they ? > > Regards > > Irene > -------Original Message------- > > From: Denise > Date: 09/25/05 19:11:19 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HC] 26.12.1860 OMA > > Due to the good bowling of Messrs Rath and Daniels Beechworth beat > Eldorado > in the cricket last week. > > no Christian name Irene. > > D > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/05 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/05

Hi Denise Thanks muchly for that titbit. Patrick had a son called Patrick too, and four other sons as well. They seem to be a rather wild Irish type of family, don't they ? Regards Irene -------Original Message------- From: Denise Date: 09/25/05 19:11:19 To: [email protected] Subject: [HC] 26.12.1860 OMA Due to the good bowling of Messrs Rath and Daniels Beechworth beat Eldorado in the cricket last week. no Christian name Irene. D -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/05

Poor old G G G Uncle Patrick Rath. Just cant seem to keep out of trouble! Am enjoying his exploits Kathryn

court case. Constable Lynch - I am in charge of Woolshed since July 1860. no other info

Alexander Prichard (sic) was charged with allowing 1 horse to stray. Fined 1s and 5/6 costs. Guess you could blame Ray's great-grandfather for this! He was the poundkeeper. The poundkeeper had a field day in court! D

Justice in this country hasn't improved at all in the last 134 years, has it? If Ah Chow had had any sense, he'd have clocked old Paddy Rath the next time no-one was looking, got his 2 quid back, and left the 3 Mile for peaceful Yackandandah. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: [HC] OMA 5.1.1860 > POLICE COURT BEECHWORTH BEFORE E T BARNARD ESQ PM WEDNESDAY JANUARY 2 1861. > > -- > PATRICK RATH was brought up in custody charged with highway robbery at the 3 Mile on Monday last. Mr. Young defended the prisoner. > A Chow being put thru the face of blowing out a match stated, on being examined by Sub Inspector Orridge that he was a miner; was passing near a chapel on the Lower 3 Mile with£2 in his pocket when the prisoner who was washing dirt threw a stone at him and hit him; was about 30 steps from him; did not say or throw anything at the prisoner, who was in company with 2 others who threw stones also; was insensible form the blow received; he thought the two others were going to pick him up instead of which he they held him hi for prisoner to rob him of 2 notes; could not recognise the notes; lost nothing besides; had only 6d extra; after receiving the blow felt dizzy; so consequently did not know the others, but knew prisoner by a mark like ink on his face; was frightened to be beaten again; went with police and pointed out prisoner in a house. > By Mr Young.......blah blah. had no dispute with the prisoner's father about driving under his property. > In answer to his Worship.... A Chow stated the attack took place on a public road did not know the father before; could not identify the others; here tried to show his Worship a mark on his temple. > > Constable Sullivan deposed. Am Snr Constable at 3 Mile; on Monday morning prosecutor came to me and stated he was robbed near Mr. Casey's store... went to a tent found Patrick Rath. the claim prisoner was working was 25 yards from where the prisoner stuck the man up. Know the prisoner for the last 18 months; he was associated with bad company lately; > > Mr. Young addressed the Bench in favour of prisoner stating it was a grossly false charge, no foundation, prisoner and 4 others panning out a dish of dirt when Norfolk Triffett threw a stone which struck a bush and might have hit the Chinaman who happened to be passing. > > Chinaman swore in his own language when hit. > > Roberts swore - am a digger. Prisoner did not throw stone. > Hugh Maginnes swore - saw a stone thrown, Chinaman swore. Prisoner could not rob the Chinaman without my seeing him. The prisoner is a mate of mine. > Albert Triffet sworn. Miner 3 Mile, work in adjoining claim. Prisoner panning when stone thrown. Chinaman yabbered. no one went near him he could not be robbed without my seeing it. > Mr. Young about to call another witness when his Worship intimated that there was no necessity for further evidence. > Upon enquiring how long the prisoner had been in custody and being told since Monday he censured Constable Sullivan for not using more discretion in this case > PRISONER DISCHARGED. > Prosecutor had perjured himself and got 14 days.

POLICE COURT BEECHWORTH BEFORE E T BARNARD ESQ PM WEDNESDAY JANUARY 2 1861. -- PATRICK RATH was brought up in custody charged with highway robbery at the 3 Mile on Monday last. Mr. Young defended the prisoner. A Chow being put thru the face of blowing out a match stated, on being examined by Sub Inspector Orridge that he was a miner; was passing near a chapel on the Lower 3 Mile with£2 in his pocket when the prisoner who was washing dirt threw a stone at him and hit him; was about 30 steps from him; did not say or throw anything at the prisoner, who was in company with 2 others who threw stones also; was insensible form the blow received; he thought the two others were going to pick him up instead of which he they held him hi for prisoner to rob him of 2 notes; could not recognise the notes; lost nothing besides; had only 6d extra; after receiving the blow felt dizzy; so consequently did not know the others, but knew prisoner by a mark like ink on his face; was frightened to be beaten again; went with police and pointed out prisoner in a house. By Mr Young.......blah blah. had no dispute with the prisoner's father about driving under his property. In answer to his Worship.... A Chow stated the attack took place on a public road did not know the father before; could not identify the others; here tried to show his Worship a mark on his temple. Constable Sullivan deposed. Am Snr Constable at 3 Mile; on Monday morning prosecutor came to me and stated he was robbed near Mr. Casey's store... went to a tent found Patrick Rath. the claim prisoner was working was 25 yards from where the prisoner stuck the man up. Know the prisoner for the last 18 months; he was associated with bad company lately; Mr. Young addressed the Bench in favour of prisoner stating it was a grossly false charge, no foundation, prisoner and 4 others panning out a dish of dirt when Norfolk Triffett threw a stone which struck a bush and might have hit the Chinaman who happened to be passing. Chinaman swore in his own language when hit. Roberts swore - am a digger. Prisoner did not throw stone. Hugh Maginnes swore - saw a stone thrown, Chinaman swore. Prisoner could not rob the Chinaman without my seeing him. The prisoner is a mate of mine. Albert Triffet sworn. Miner 3 Mile, work in adjoining claim. Prisoner panning when stone thrown. Chinaman yabbered. no one went near him he could not be robbed without my seeing it. Mr. Young about to call another witness when his Worship intimated that there was no necessity for further evidence. Upon enquiring how long the prisoner had been in custody and being told since Monday he censured Constable Sullivan for not using more discretion in this case PRISONER DISCHARGED. Prosecutor had perjured himself and got 14 days.

Due to the good bowling of Messrs Rath and Daniels Beechworth beat Eldorado in the cricket last week. no Christian name Irene. D