Wendy it maybe worth telephoning or writing to one of the officers I have found them to be great for copying items for me, (Reprographics Officer ) they are quite approachable and explain your situation. Unit Surname First Position Phone Fax E-mail YEATS Christine Manager, Public Access (02) 82478617 (02) 82478604 [email protected] Sydney Reading Room ALLEN Lindsay Senior Archivist, Access & Information (02) 82478613 (02) 82478604 [email protected] DAVIS Gail Senior Archivist, Research & Publications (02) 96731788 (02) 98334518 [email protected] Western Sydney Reading Room HANNA Emily Senior Archivist, Access & Information (02) 96731788 (02) 98334518 [email protected] HUNTER Warwick Policy Officer, Access & Information (02) 82478616 (02) 82478604 [email protected] Sydney Reading Room LOSCHIAVO Fabian Archivist, Public Access (02) 82478610 (02) 82478626 [email protected] THORPE Kirsten Archivist, Aboriginal Liaison (02) 82478612 (02) 82478604 [email protected] Western Sydney Reading Room LIGHEZZOLO Heather Reference Support Officer (02) 96731788 (02) 98334518 [email protected] RICAUD Norm Reprographics Officer (02) 96731788 (02) 98334518 [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne Hi Kerry, Thanks for this additional information - trouble is I live in Melbourne and I assume the reading rooms are both in Sydney? When I looked on the Web it seems that one can't send in a request for copies of these letters - you have to do it personally? I suspect this is in regard to land in Bungonia - a property called 'Cogenburgh' where the famaily lived for a few years before Robert came to Victoria. But he allegedly also had property in the Hunter Valley so I really do need to check it out. I revery much appreciate your assistance, Cheers, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne > Hi Wendy the reference I gave you > CSreLand Ref: 2/7928 1163 MILNE Robert 1839 > > (means Colonial Secretary re land) > > Colonial Secretary's papers, 1826-56, the major official primary source for Australian history in the first half of the nineteenth century. The index covers requests from individuals for land - leases and purchases - received by the Colonial Secretary's office between 1826 and 1856. These letters were separated out of the main series of incoming correspondence. They can be very important because the applicant often provides background information about themselves that is not available in any other source. Microfilm copies of the Letters received by the Colonial Secretary re Land, 1826-56 are available in both reading rooms. > > The reference above is the search returns item and reel numbers > > If you go here http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/MapsAndPhotos/default.htm > > you can then search the parish maps to see his land. > > Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wendy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > Kerry, > > Thanks. Yes, The 1841 Census refers to my Robert - he was residing at the > property known as Cogenburgh (near Bungonia) and most of the children were > baptised there. The 1839 reference to land is something I shall have to try > and > follow up next time I go to Sydney. The other two references are not mine. > > Regards, > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > You may have these Wendy from NSW State Archive, haven't finished search > on convicts. > > The page to search these here > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/keyname_search_2187.asp > > you may also order copies. > > Land Records > > > > MILNE Robert date 1839 > > > > 1841 Census NSW > > > > MILNE Robert "Cogenburgh", County Argyle, District Goulburn [X946] 151 > 2222 > > > > MILNE Robert age 16 ship Boanerges year 1857 arriving in Sydney and > Newcastle 2138, 2475 > > > > Jail Photo > > > > MILNE Jacob Robert born 1837 Glasgow photo at Darlinghurst 5/05/1893 > > > > Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wendy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > Jenny, > > > > I have searched hard for the arrival of my ggg-grandfather Robert MILNE > (or > > MILNES) believed to have been around 1832 in Sydney. Do you have any > > suggestions for me please? I've tried the books at the library and also > the > > online shipping indexes. Nor can I find any trace of his wife Jessie > (or > > Janet) BRIMMER. I believe Robert may have been an unassisted immigrant > but > > don't know for sure. H did appear to have had some money and was able > to > > acquire some property in NSW before he came to the N/E around 1846. He > came > > originally from Lancashire so may have sailed out of Liverpool. > > > > Regards, > > Wendy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > > Jacki > > > have you tried Mary Ann Warner's site? It is a work in progress....all > > ships > > > and passenger into Sydney c1855 - 1900's > > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > Jenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: > 5/10/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005

Ian, Thanks for this suggestion - it is certainly worth checking out. So far I've not omanaged to get through to the site but I'll try again this evening. Kind regards, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "hillhouse2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > Wendy > is there any indication that he may have came out as a soldier > (Redcoat)? These were not usually named on shipping lists. The > following list may be helpful as a starting point http:// > freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~garter1/index.htm > ian payne >

Hi Kerry, Thanks for this additional information - trouble is I live in Melbourne and I assume the reading rooms are both in Sydney? When I looked on the Web it seems that one can't send in a request for copies of these letters - you have to do it personally? I suspect this is in regard to land in Bungonia - a property called 'Cogenburgh' where the famaily lived for a few years before Robert came to Victoria. But he allegedly also had property in the Hunter Valley so I really do need to check it out. I revery much appreciate your assistance, Cheers, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne > Hi Wendy the reference I gave you > CSreLand Ref: 2/7928 1163 MILNE Robert 1839 > > (means Colonial Secretary re land) > > Colonial Secretary's papers, 1826-56, the major official primary source for Australian history in the first half of the nineteenth century. The index covers requests from individuals for land - leases and purchases - received by the Colonial Secretary's office between 1826 and 1856. These letters were separated out of the main series of incoming correspondence. They can be very important because the applicant often provides background information about themselves that is not available in any other source. Microfilm copies of the Letters received by the Colonial Secretary re Land, 1826-56 are available in both reading rooms. > > The reference above is the search returns item and reel numbers > > If you go here http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/MapsAndPhotos/default.htm > > you can then search the parish maps to see his land. > > Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wendy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > Kerry, > > Thanks. Yes, The 1841 Census refers to my Robert - he was residing at the > property known as Cogenburgh (near Bungonia) and most of the children were > baptised there. The 1839 reference to land is something I shall have to try > and > follow up next time I go to Sydney. The other two references are not mine. > > Regards, > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > You may have these Wendy from NSW State Archive, haven't finished search > on convicts. > > The page to search these here > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/keyname_search_2187.asp > > you may also order copies. > > Land Records > > > > MILNE Robert date 1839 > > > > 1841 Census NSW > > > > MILNE Robert "Cogenburgh", County Argyle, District Goulburn [X946] 151 > 2222 > > > > MILNE Robert age 16 ship Boanerges year 1857 arriving in Sydney and > Newcastle 2138, 2475 > > > > Jail Photo > > > > MILNE Jacob Robert born 1837 Glasgow photo at Darlinghurst 5/05/1893 > > > > Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wendy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > Jenny, > > > > I have searched hard for the arrival of my ggg-grandfather Robert MILNE > (or > > MILNES) believed to have been around 1832 in Sydney. Do you have any > > suggestions for me please? I've tried the books at the library and also > the > > online shipping indexes. Nor can I find any trace of his wife Jessie > (or > > Janet) BRIMMER. I believe Robert may have been an unassisted immigrant > but > > don't know for sure. H did appear to have had some money and was able > to > > acquire some property in NSW before he came to the N/E around 1846. He > came > > originally from Lancashire so may have sailed out of Liverpool. > > > > Regards, > > Wendy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > > Jacki > > > have you tried Mary Ann Warner's site? It is a work in progress....all > > ships > > > and passenger into Sydney c1855 - 1900's > > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > Jenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: > 5/10/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > >

Hi Kerry ..thanks for the heads up on the index. I can see it is different from Joan Reece's very useful index, so will now and search for my elusive Smith <s> with thanks Jenny PS. Yes....same J.F of Genseek. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne > Hi Jenny > > Index can be found here > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/col_sec_re_land_4440.asp > > best re information on series. > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/archives_in_brief_64_2125.asp > > Jenny are you the same Jenny Fawcett responsible for all the wonderful work done on convicts etc..? > > Kerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jenny Fawcett > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne > > > Kerry, is there an index available to the CS papers? > cheers > Jenny Fawcett > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:56 AM > Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne > > > > Hi Wendy the reference I gave you > > CSreLand Ref: 2/7928 1163 MILNE Robert 1839 > > > > (means Colonial Secretary re land) > > > > Colonial Secretary's papers, 1826-56, the major official primary source > for Australian history in the first half of the nineteenth century. The > index covers requests from individuals for land - leases and purchases - > received by the Colonial Secretary's office between 1826 and 1856. These > letters were separated out of the main series of incoming correspondence. > They can be very important because the applicant often provides background > information about themselves that is not available in any other source. > Microfilm copies of the Letters received by the Colonial Secretary re Land, > 1826-56 are available in both reading rooms. > > > > The reference above is the search returns item and reel numbers > > > > If you go here http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/MapsAndPhotos/default.htm > > > > you can then search the parish maps to see his land. > > > > Kerry > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wendy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > Kerry, > > > > Thanks. Yes, The 1841 Census refers to my Robert - he was residing at > the > > property known as Cogenburgh (near Bungonia) and most of the children > were > > baptised there. The 1839 reference to land is something I shall have to > try > > and > > follow up next time I go to Sydney. The other two references are not > mine. > > > > Regards, > > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > > You may have these Wendy from NSW State Archive, haven't finished > search > > on convicts. > > > The page to search these here > > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/keyname_search_2187.asp > > > you may also order copies. > > > Land Records > > > > > > MILNE Robert date 1839 > > > > > > 1841 Census NSW > > > > > > MILNE Robert "Cogenburgh", County Argyle, District Goulburn [X946] 151 > > 2222 > > > > > > MILNE Robert age 16 ship Boanerges year 1857 arriving in Sydney and > > Newcastle 2138, 2475 > > > > > > Jail Photo > > > > > > MILNE Jacob Robert born 1837 Glasgow photo at Darlinghurst 5/05/1893 > > > > > > Kerry > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Wendy > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > > > > Jenny, > > > > > > I have searched hard for the arrival of my ggg-grandfather Robert > MILNE > > (or > > > MILNES) believed to have been around 1832 in Sydney. Do you have > any > > > suggestions for me please? I've tried the books at the library and > also > > the > > > online shipping indexes. Nor can I find any trace of his wife > Jessie > > (or > > > Janet) BRIMMER. I believe Robert may have been an unassisted > immigrant > > but > > > don't know for sure. H did appear to have had some money and was > able > > to > > > acquire some property in NSW before he came to the N/E around 1846. > He > > came > > > originally from Lancashire so may have sailed out of Liverpool. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Wendy > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > > > > > Jacki > > > > have you tried Mary Ann Warner's site? It is a work in > progress....all > > > ships > > > > and passenger into Sydney c1855 - 1900's > > > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > Jenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: > > 5/10/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: > 5/10/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > > >

Hi Jenny Index can be found here http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/col_sec_re_land_4440.asp best re information on series. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/archives_in_brief_64_2125.asp Jenny are you the same Jenny Fawcett responsible for all the wonderful work done on convicts etc..? Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jenny Fawcett To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne Kerry, is there an index available to the CS papers? cheers Jenny Fawcett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne > Hi Wendy the reference I gave you > CSreLand Ref: 2/7928 1163 MILNE Robert 1839 > > (means Colonial Secretary re land) > > Colonial Secretary's papers, 1826-56, the major official primary source for Australian history in the first half of the nineteenth century. The index covers requests from individuals for land - leases and purchases - received by the Colonial Secretary's office between 1826 and 1856. These letters were separated out of the main series of incoming correspondence. They can be very important because the applicant often provides background information about themselves that is not available in any other source. Microfilm copies of the Letters received by the Colonial Secretary re Land, 1826-56 are available in both reading rooms. > > The reference above is the search returns item and reel numbers > > If you go here http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/MapsAndPhotos/default.htm > > you can then search the parish maps to see his land. > > Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wendy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > Kerry, > > Thanks. Yes, The 1841 Census refers to my Robert - he was residing at the > property known as Cogenburgh (near Bungonia) and most of the children were > baptised there. The 1839 reference to land is something I shall have to try > and > follow up next time I go to Sydney. The other two references are not mine. > > Regards, > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > You may have these Wendy from NSW State Archive, haven't finished search > on convicts. > > The page to search these here > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/keyname_search_2187.asp > > you may also order copies. > > Land Records > > > > MILNE Robert date 1839 > > > > 1841 Census NSW > > > > MILNE Robert "Cogenburgh", County Argyle, District Goulburn [X946] 151 > 2222 > > > > MILNE Robert age 16 ship Boanerges year 1857 arriving in Sydney and > Newcastle 2138, 2475 > > > > Jail Photo > > > > MILNE Jacob Robert born 1837 Glasgow photo at Darlinghurst 5/05/1893 > > > > Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wendy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > Jenny, > > > > I have searched hard for the arrival of my ggg-grandfather Robert MILNE > (or > > MILNES) believed to have been around 1832 in Sydney. Do you have any > > suggestions for me please? I've tried the books at the library and also > the > > online shipping indexes. Nor can I find any trace of his wife Jessie > (or > > Janet) BRIMMER. I believe Robert may have been an unassisted immigrant > but > > don't know for sure. H did appear to have had some money and was able > to > > acquire some property in NSW before he came to the N/E around 1846. He > came > > originally from Lancashire so may have sailed out of Liverpool. > > > > Regards, > > Wendy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > > Jacki > > > have you tried Mary Ann Warner's site? It is a work in progress....all > > ships > > > and passenger into Sydney c1855 - 1900's > > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > Jenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: > 5/10/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005

Kerry, is there an index available to the CS papers? cheers Jenny Fawcett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [HC] Robert Milne > Hi Wendy the reference I gave you > CSreLand Ref: 2/7928 1163 MILNE Robert 1839 > > (means Colonial Secretary re land) > > Colonial Secretary's papers, 1826-56, the major official primary source for Australian history in the first half of the nineteenth century. The index covers requests from individuals for land - leases and purchases - received by the Colonial Secretary's office between 1826 and 1856. These letters were separated out of the main series of incoming correspondence. They can be very important because the applicant often provides background information about themselves that is not available in any other source. Microfilm copies of the Letters received by the Colonial Secretary re Land, 1826-56 are available in both reading rooms. > > The reference above is the search returns item and reel numbers > > If you go here http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/MapsAndPhotos/default.htm > > you can then search the parish maps to see his land. > > Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wendy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > Kerry, > > Thanks. Yes, The 1841 Census refers to my Robert - he was residing at the > property known as Cogenburgh (near Bungonia) and most of the children were > baptised there. The 1839 reference to land is something I shall have to try > and > follow up next time I go to Sydney. The other two references are not mine. > > Regards, > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > You may have these Wendy from NSW State Archive, haven't finished search > on convicts. > > The page to search these here > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/keyname_search_2187.asp > > you may also order copies. > > Land Records > > > > MILNE Robert date 1839 > > > > 1841 Census NSW > > > > MILNE Robert "Cogenburgh", County Argyle, District Goulburn [X946] 151 > 2222 > > > > MILNE Robert age 16 ship Boanerges year 1857 arriving in Sydney and > Newcastle 2138, 2475 > > > > Jail Photo > > > > MILNE Jacob Robert born 1837 Glasgow photo at Darlinghurst 5/05/1893 > > > > Kerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wendy > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > Jenny, > > > > I have searched hard for the arrival of my ggg-grandfather Robert MILNE > (or > > MILNES) believed to have been around 1832 in Sydney. Do you have any > > suggestions for me please? I've tried the books at the library and also > the > > online shipping indexes. Nor can I find any trace of his wife Jessie > (or > > Janet) BRIMMER. I believe Robert may have been an unassisted immigrant > but > > don't know for sure. H did appear to have had some money and was able > to > > acquire some property in NSW before he came to the N/E around 1846. He > came > > originally from Lancashire so may have sailed out of Liverpool. > > > > Regards, > > Wendy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > > Jacki > > > have you tried Mary Ann Warner's site? It is a work in progress....all > > ships > > > and passenger into Sydney c1855 - 1900's > > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > Jenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: > 5/10/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > > >

Ronda ....that's super.. Another clue to my grandfather - yet to be investigated. We, the cousins, know nothing about him to speak of, only what has been found in the last 6 years and that's little, so thank you so very much for this. This child would like be my uncle Hiram - by then going on two. I shall forward this to my cousin and see if he comes back with any comment on scars etc. So that's where he was, in Sheepstation Ck. He would have been looking after Hiram's 1400 acres I guess - and remember he also had a few of his own - that Price - Walter - Hiram thing in 1905. Great snippet Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronda Shambrook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: [HC] Crawford Sheepstation Creek > OMA Aug 7 1897 > > Serious Scalding Accident > An accident, attended with very painful results, occurred at Wednesday > last at Sheepstation Creek, a few miles from Beechworth. Mr Walter > Crawford, son of Mr. H.A. Crawford of Brookfield, Everton, is in charge of > a farm in that locality, and it appears that on the day mentioned Mrs > Crawford and a young child were sitting in front of the stove, on which > stood a vessel of boiling water. By some mischance, one of the legs of > the stove became detached, throwing it forward and displacing the pot of > water which scattered over both of them, inflicting severe scalds. Dr > Skinner was at once summoned to the spot, and promptly attended. The > remedies he applied were successful in alleviating the intense pain > consequent on the severe injuries, but some time must elapse before the > suffers can be expected to gain perfect recovery from an accident which > might have been attended with fatal consequences.

OMA Aug 7 1897 Serious Scalding Accident An accident, attended with very painful results, occurred at Wednesday last at Sheepstation Creek, a few miles from Beechworth. Mr Walter Crawford, son of Mr. H.A. Crawford of Brookfield, Everton, is in charge of a farm in that locality, and it appears that on the day mentioned Mrs Crawford and a young child were sitting in front of the stove, on which stood a vessel of boiling water. By some mischance, one of the legs of the stove became detached, throwing it forward and displacing the pot of water which scattered over both of them, inflicting severe scalds. Dr Skinner was at once summoned to the spot, and promptly attended. The remedies he applied were successful in alleviating the intense pain consequent on the severe injuries, but some time must elapse before the suffers can be expected to gain perfect recovery from an accident which might have been attended with fatal consequences.

Wendy is there any indication that he may have came out as a soldier (Redcoat)? These were not usually named on shipping lists. The following list may be helpful as a starting point http:// freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~garter1/index.htm ian payne

Hi Wendy the reference I gave you CSreLand Ref: 2/7928 1163 MILNE Robert 1839 (means Colonial Secretary re land) Colonial Secretary's papers, 1826-56, the major official primary source for Australian history in the first half of the nineteenth century. The index covers requests from individuals for land - leases and purchases - received by the Colonial Secretary's office between 1826 and 1856. These letters were separated out of the main series of incoming correspondence. They can be very important because the applicant often provides background information about themselves that is not available in any other source. Microfilm copies of the Letters received by the Colonial Secretary re Land, 1826-56 are available in both reading rooms. The reference above is the search returns item and reel numbers If you go here http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/MapsAndPhotos/default.htm you can then search the parish maps to see his land. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney Kerry, Thanks. Yes, The 1841 Census refers to my Robert - he was residing at the property known as Cogenburgh (near Bungonia) and most of the children were baptised there. The 1839 reference to land is something I shall have to try and follow up next time I go to Sydney. The other two references are not mine. Regards, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > You may have these Wendy from NSW State Archive, haven't finished search on convicts. > The page to search these here http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/keyname_search_2187.asp > you may also order copies. > Land Records > > MILNE Robert date 1839 > > 1841 Census NSW > > MILNE Robert "Cogenburgh", County Argyle, District Goulburn [X946] 151 2222 > > MILNE Robert age 16 ship Boanerges year 1857 arriving in Sydney and Newcastle 2138, 2475 > > Jail Photo > > MILNE Jacob Robert born 1837 Glasgow photo at Darlinghurst 5/05/1893 > > Kerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wendy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > Jenny, > > I have searched hard for the arrival of my ggg-grandfather Robert MILNE (or > MILNES) believed to have been around 1832 in Sydney. Do you have any > suggestions for me please? I've tried the books at the library and also the > online shipping indexes. Nor can I find any trace of his wife Jessie (or > Janet) BRIMMER. I believe Robert may have been an unassisted immigrant but > don't know for sure. H did appear to have had some money and was able to > acquire some property in NSW before he came to the N/E around 1846. He came > originally from Lancashire so may have sailed out of Liverpool. > > Regards, > Wendy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > Jacki > > have you tried Mary Ann Warner's site? It is a work in progress....all > ships > > and passenger into Sydney c1855 - 1900's > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm > > > > > > cheers > > Jenny > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005

Kerry, Thanks. Yes, The 1841 Census refers to my Robert - he was residing at the property known as Cogenburgh (near Bungonia) and most of the children were baptised there. The 1839 reference to land is something I shall have to try and follow up next time I go to Sydney. The other two references are not mine. Regards, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > You may have these Wendy from NSW State Archive, haven't finished search on convicts. > The page to search these here http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/keyname_search_2187.asp > you may also order copies. > Land Records > > MILNE Robert date 1839 > > 1841 Census NSW > > MILNE Robert "Cogenburgh", County Argyle, District Goulburn [X946] 151 2222 > > MILNE Robert age 16 ship Boanerges year 1857 arriving in Sydney and Newcastle 2138, 2475 > > Jail Photo > > MILNE Jacob Robert born 1837 Glasgow photo at Darlinghurst 5/05/1893 > > Kerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wendy > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > Jenny, > > I have searched hard for the arrival of my ggg-grandfather Robert MILNE (or > MILNES) believed to have been around 1832 in Sydney. Do you have any > suggestions for me please? I've tried the books at the library and also the > online shipping indexes. Nor can I find any trace of his wife Jessie (or > Janet) BRIMMER. I believe Robert may have been an unassisted immigrant but > don't know for sure. H did appear to have had some money and was able to > acquire some property in NSW before he came to the N/E around 1846. He came > originally from Lancashire so may have sailed out of Liverpool. > > Regards, > Wendy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > Jacki > > have you tried Mary Ann Warner's site? It is a work in progress....all > ships > > and passenger into Sydney c1855 - 1900's > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm > > > > > > cheers > > Jenny > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > >

Hi Jenny, Robert's death certificate says '30 years in Victoria' but his eldest child (Jane) was born in Campbelltown NSW in 1834. All of the children to his first wife were born in NSW. She died in 1847 in Bungonia. I have a lengthy Obit notice from the N/E and death notice (thanks to Denise) which mentions his time spent in NSW but no actual dates. Unfortunately the certificates are of no assistance and the childrens' Obits don't help - maybe because they were all born here. He definitely was not a convict. I've spent hours searching the Colonial Secretary's Correspondence available on the Web and there is reference to land in 1839 but I'm not sure what it was about. I really think I've covered your suggestions - but I'll keep looking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > Wendy > (1). Does Robert's death certificate tell you how many years he spent in the > colonies of Australia? > > (2). Did you search for an obituary/death notice in the papers where > Robert's death took place (these often record some history of colonial > settlers) > > (3). His children's obituaries may document when their father arrived (as > often happened in this era). > > Have you also tried > PASSENGERS AND CREW, IN AND OUT OF SYDNEY, from SYDNEY NEWSPAPERS, 1833 - > 1835 by Nola M Mackay. > > Also....Joan Reece's COLONIAL SECRETARY's INWARD CORRESPONDENCE INDEX (as > often free immigrants turn up in these). > > Have you eliminated all Robert Milne/s who were convicts? > > cheers > Jenny Fawcett > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > Jenny, > > > > I have searched hard for the arrival of my ggg-grandfather Robert MILNE > (or > > MILNES) believed to have been around 1832 in Sydney. Do you have any > > suggestions for me please? I've tried the books at the library and also > the > > online shipping indexes. Nor can I find any trace of his wife Jessie (or > > Janet) BRIMMER. I believe Robert may have been an unassisted immigrant > but > > don't know for sure. H did appear to have had some money and was able to > > acquire some property in NSW before he came to the N/E around 1846. He > came > > originally from Lancashire so may have sailed out of Liverpool. > > > > Regards, > > Wendy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jenny Fawcett" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > > > > > Jacki > > > have you tried Mary Ann Warner's site? It is a work in progress....all > > ships > > > and passenger into Sydney c1855 - 1900's > > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > Jenny > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jackie - Is the Cateaux Wattel the ship in question? Did it arrive 9th March 1855 on it's maiden voyage? I am going to the Qld Genealogical Soceity in November so could look it up for you if you want me to. If so could you remind me end of October please? I'm going overseas on Tuesday for 3 weeks, won't be back until 28th Oct. then I have to head into the society as it closes for a couple of months not long after. regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > Pam > > Assisted Immigrants who died on voyage > KLING Elisabetha dv 33 > MANN Johan dv 40 > SCHUBACH Heinrich dv 50 > > Cheers > Jackie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela S [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2005 3:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > > Jackie > > Page 18 "Greetings from the Land where Milk and Honey flows" > Re 1855 Journey of the Caesar > On the Cateaux Wattel, which sailed to Australia at the same time, three > adults and twenty two children died...... > Our GG gransfather Henrich Scubach was one, > other 2 ? > > Pam > > >

Pam Assisted Immigrants who died on voyage KLING Elisabetha dv 33 MANN Johan dv 40 SCHUBACH Heinrich dv 50 Cheers Jackie -----Original Message----- From: Pamela S [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2005 3:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney Jackie Page 18 "Greetings from the Land where Milk and Honey flows" Re 1855 Journey of the Caesar On the Cateaux Wattel, which sailed to Australia at the same time, three adults and twenty two children died...... Our GG gransfather Henrich Scubach was one, other 2 ? Pam

Sorry Jackie Should be GGG Grandfather Henrich Making us older than we really are! Pam > Jackie > > Page 18 "Greetings from the Land where Milk and Honey flows" > Re 1855 Journey of the Caesar > On the Cateaux Wattel, which sailed to Australia at the same time, three > adults and twenty two children died...... > Our GG gransfather Henrich Scubach was one, > other 2 ? > > Pam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:16 PM > Subject: RE: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > > >> Thanks Denise and Jenny, >> I'll take your advice "on board". >> >> Although I've not sighted the original shipping documentation for the >> Catteaux Wattel, >> the Assisted Immigrants are on line and these include my Schubachs. I >> have >> from two >> different sources a notation from the documentation against Heinrich >> Schubach, that "his >> mother-in-law, the widow Hoehn, is on board". >> She would have been 65 and probably came "unassisted". Or perhaps she >> died >> on >> the voyage as did her son-in-law. Haven't been able to find her death in >> Australia under any >> of the Hoehn variances. >> >> Thanks again >> Jackie >> >> >> >> > > >

Jackie Page 18 "Greetings from the Land where Milk and Honey flows" Re 1855 Journey of the Caesar On the Cateaux Wattel, which sailed to Australia at the same time, three adults and twenty two children died...... Our GG gransfather Henrich Scubach was one, other 2 ? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Unassisted Immigrants 1842-55 - Sydney > Thanks Denise and Jenny, > I'll take your advice "on board". > > Although I've not sighted the original shipping documentation for the > Catteaux Wattel, > the Assisted Immigrants are on line and these include my Schubachs. I > have > from two > different sources a notation from the documentation against Heinrich > Schubach, that "his > mother-in-law, the widow Hoehn, is on board". > She would have been 65 and probably came "unassisted". Or perhaps she > died > on > the voyage as did her son-in-law. Haven't been able to find her death in > Australia under any > of the Hoehn variances. > > Thanks again > Jackie > > > >

Thanks Denise and Jenny, I'll take your advice "on board". Although I've not sighted the original shipping documentation for the Catteaux Wattel, the Assisted Immigrants are on line and these include my Schubachs. I have from two different sources a notation from the documentation against Heinrich Schubach, that "his mother-in-law, the widow Hoehn, is on board". She would have been 65 and probably came "unassisted". Or perhaps she died on the voyage as did her son-in-law. Haven't been able to find her death in Australia under any of the Hoehn variances. Thanks again Jackie

Hello Paul, Thank you for your reply, I too am catching up on emails, I have just returned from Central Australia after my husband was evacuated out from our other "home" via the Flying Doctor, he then spent a few days in the Port Augusta hospital where they diagnosed kidney stones. We returned home to Melbourne last night, hopefully we will be able to head up the center after he sees a specialist next week. In the meantime thank you for looking up the discs, unfortunately none of these are my Dorothy. Regards, Zola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Woolard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Birth certificates > Zola, > > Don't know if you have had a reply or not. I'm just back from a few > months in the Queensland Sun and catching up on my emails. Anyway I have > done a search of Digger for 1910 births in brunswick named dorothy. It > may assist. > > Digger - Edwardian Index. Victoria 1902-1913 > > > Query > ----- > Given Names : dorothy (7023 matches) > Event : b (390142 matches) > Birth Place : b* (89582 matches) > Year : 1910 (71986 matches) > > Total matching records: 66 > -------------------- > > Surname: CLARK > Given Names: Dorothy May > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Jno > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Gerte ZARTH > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 1052 > > Surname: COLECHIN > Given Names: Dorothy Emily Ruth > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Albt Burton > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza Pash HATTON > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK NORTH > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 25347 > > Surname: CURRIE > Given Names: Dorothy Isabelle > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Arth > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Isabella CHARLESON > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK NORTH > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 17234 > > Surname: HALLISSY > Given Names: Mary Dorothy > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Miles Michl > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jessie Cath WILSON > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK NORTH > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 17229 > > Surname: HALLS > Given Names: Dorothy Ellen > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Fredk Jas > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary KIRNAN > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK EAST > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 17155 > > Surname: HOGGINS > Given Names: Esma Dorothy > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Cyril Clarence > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ada Louisa WILLIAMS > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRSWK N > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 1166 > > Surname: HUNT > Given Names: Dorothy Pearl > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Alfd > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Eliza GRANT > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 17148 > > Surname: LAMBERT > Given Names: Dorothy Heather > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Thos Eli > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Kate LIVINGSTONE > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK NORTH > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 9156 > > Surname: NANCE > Given Names: Dorothy Prudent > Event: B > Sex: > Spouse Surname/Father: Joseph Thomas > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary Jane MCINTOSH > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK EAST > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 9031 > > Surname: SMITH > Given Names: Dorothy Clare > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Alfd Jas > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Kate GIBNEY > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 8990 > > Surname: WOODBRIDGE > Given Names: Thelma Dorothy > Event: B > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Francis > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Grace Ethel BULLAS > Age: > Age Code: > Birth Place: BRUNSWICK NORTH > Death Place: > Year: 1910 > Reg. Number: 17263 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zola Ortenburg" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:17 PM > Subject: [HC] Birth certificates > > >>I have been searching for a Victorian B/certificate for a person born >>September 4th 1910, at the time of her birth her parents were not married >>and her father was in the process of divorcing his first wife. I have >>looked under the mothers name the grandmothers name and the fathers name. >>She is supposed to have been named Dorothy and born in Brunswick. Is it >>possible to search a particular date at the BDM office? Any ideas would >>be appreciated. >> Zola >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.1/104 - Release Date: >> 16/09/2005 >> >> >

Hi everyone, I am interested in hearing from anyone who has an ancestor who served in the Vic Police and was stationed at Greta. Any information surrounding either the station or memberes who served would be great. I have the info contained in books on Greta and Ned Kelly, I am looking further than this. thanks Noeleen

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