Thanks yes thats my man, would just like to know where hes buried Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zola Ortenburg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Wangaratta/Bright burials > Hello Margaret, > There is a John James Johnstone, died at Wangaratta, aged 74 in 1935, > mother Anne Eliza CARROLL, father, Samuel. > Hope this helps, Zola > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "p.ml.pool" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:12 PM > Subject: [HC] Wangaratta/Bright burials > > >> Hi list >> could somebody please check for me to see if there is a JOHN JAMES >> JOHNSTON[E] buried in either Wangaratta or Bright cemeteries, he died in >> Wangaratta 1935 aged 74 >> >> Thanks >> >> Margaret Pool >> NZ >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: 10/31/2005 > >

Hi list could somebody please check for me to see if there is a JOHN JAMES JOHNSTON[E] buried in either Wangaratta or Bright cemeteries, he died in Wangaratta 1935 aged 74 Thanks Margaret Pool NZ

I couldn't see anything in Wang. cemetery for John - James - John James. 1935 Denise

Hi dennis could you look up MURTAGH W.E. or Murtagh George Murtagh,or De Piazza Battista; thanks kerry Murtagh

Hi Billie, I have the CD of the Yackandandah burial 1859 - 2004, if you would like any look ups. I will send you some McKibbin, Waterson & Colivlle info off list. Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: [HC] General Information/My Interests > As being only new to this site - I have found it very interesting reading > all the messages and wealth of information that comes bouncing back to > inquires. > > > > I was wondering if someone could help me with general information as I > have > only just started putting together my tree - though in only a few days I > am > now over the one hundred mark. > > > > 1. Where is the best place to confirm birth, marriages and death dates > - Yackandandah and Victoria Mainly > > > > 2. Is there a site where you can check on burials at Yackandandah > Cemetery > > > > Also now I have grown my tree - my list of interests have grown to > incorporate the following families that are all around Yackandandah, Omeo > areas > > > > Barber > > Minighan > > Colville > > Melbourne > > Britton > > Boyd > > Carlyle > > Carr > > Bakes > > Carter > > Crothers > > Gannon ?? > > Hammond > > Leslie > > McDonnell > > Mullins > > McKibben > > Young > > Smith > > Biggs > > Waterson > > > > > > Thank you for your help > > > > Billie Bogaarts > > [email protected] > > > >

Unfortunately I am unable to see this without purchasing the D/certificate which you can do on-line at www.dvc.vic.gov.au/bdm.htm regards, Zola ----- Original Message ----- From: "p.ml.pool" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Wangaratta/Bright burials > Thanks yes thats my man, would just like to know where hes buried > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zola Ortenburg" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Wangaratta/Bright burials > > >> Hello Margaret, >> There is a John James Johnstone, died at Wangaratta, aged 74 in 1935, >> mother Anne Eliza CARROLL, father, Samuel. >> Hope this helps, Zola >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "p.ml.pool" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:12 PM >> Subject: [HC] Wangaratta/Bright burials >> >> >>> Hi list >>> could somebody please check for me to see if there is a JOHN JAMES >>> JOHNSTON[E] buried in either Wangaratta or Bright cemeteries, he died in >>> Wangaratta 1935 aged 74 >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Margaret Pool >>> NZ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: >> 10/31/2005 >> >> >

As being only new to this site - I have found it very interesting reading all the messages and wealth of information that comes bouncing back to inquires. I was wondering if someone could help me with general information as I have only just started putting together my tree - though in only a few days I am now over the one hundred mark. 1. Where is the best place to confirm birth, marriages and death dates - Yackandandah and Victoria Mainly 2. Is there a site where you can check on burials at Yackandandah Cemetery Also now I have grown my tree - my list of interests have grown to incorporate the following families that are all around Yackandandah, Omeo areas Barber Minighan Colville Melbourne Britton Boyd Carlyle Carr Bakes Carter Crothers Gannon ?? Hammond Leslie McDonnell Mullins McKibben Young Smith Biggs Waterson Thank you for your help Billie Bogaarts [email protected]

Hello Margaret, There is a John James Johnstone, died at Wangaratta, aged 74 in 1935, mother Anne Eliza CARROLL, father, Samuel. Hope this helps, Zola ----- Original Message ----- From: "p.ml.pool" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: [HC] Wangaratta/Bright burials > Hi list > could somebody please check for me to see if there is a JOHN JAMES > JOHNSTON[E] buried in either Wangaratta or Bright cemeteries, he died in > Wangaratta 1935 aged 74 > > Thanks > > Margaret Pool > NZ >

Hello Zola, Nice to hear from you. Unfortunately I don't have an Abraham GLOVER in the family. William GLOVER came from Lincolnshire and married Elizabeth WARREN 1857 in Beechworth. After Elizabeth died in 1874 he married Jessie COBBY in 1875. William died in 1894. Regards, Glenys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zola Ortenburg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [HC] List your interests > Hello Glenys, > I have an Abraham Glover born 1859 at Darebin, Vic, died 1938 in > Warburton, Vic - married to Lydia GRACIE. Does this Glover fit into your > family anywhere? > Regards, Zola > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenys Jupe" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:22 AM > Subject: [HC] List your interests > > >> Hello to all on this list, >> >> Some of my interests are GLOVER, WARREN and COBBY and any families >> connected to these names. >> >> My thanks go to Jackie for directing me to this list and for her >> invaluable help. >> >> Regards, >> >> Glenys Jupe >> Central Coast, NSW >> > >

Hi Denise, Please could you check for Warburton, Sampson, Kaye and John Morgan in the stonemason list? Thank you, Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [HC] 1875 Directory > Ray - no mention in my lists for any of storekeepers, schoolmasters or > stonemasons. > > D > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:31 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] 1875 Directory > > >> Hi Denise, >> Mummery please, >> Cheers Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Denise <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:56 AM >> Subject: [HC] 1875 Directory >> >> >>> I have a list of Storekeepers, Schoolmasters and Stonemasons from an >>> 1875 >> Directory and happy to look up names for you. >>> >>> No guarantees that the list I have is a complete one! >>> >>> This offer is open for a week, please do not request if viewing thru >> archives after the week. Sorry~ >>> >>> regards >>> Denise >>> >>> >

thanks Irene, I was in Bay Road long before there was a Southland. Southland now has a bridge over the Highway to the area that use to be the Lucas Muffler site. I moved in to Bay Road in the 50's, not telling my age at the time pp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene R" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [HC] List your interests O/T > Hi Mary > > A street map of Mentone will show you that just west of the trainline, there > is a square formed by Cillins, Elizabeth, Patty and Collins Street. The > Hoysted stables took up most of the block, reaching from Collins to Patty > Street for about half of the block. The roads at that time had soft edges - > no curb and channel - so, as the soil was extremely sandy, the horses could > walk along these edges without hurting their feet. Also, even closer to us > was O. N. Marshall's stables, just three doors away from us. We lived in > Elizabeth Street for well over ten years - giving my age away now, aren't I > ? > > Bay Road ran up to Southland Shopping Centre, I think > > Regards > > Irene R > > Rees/Dowsett Family Page > > http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44 > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Mary Dean > Date: 10/31/05 17:22:41 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HC] List your interests O/T > > Irene, > my Hoysted is William Lang, who married Vera Mather, William is descendant > from Henry, who was the son of Frederick - very large family all round. My > main interest is Vera Mather, who descended from my Fulton line. Where > abouts in Mentone were they, I lived in Bay Road Cheltenham. > pp > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 10/28/05 >

Hi all, Below are my notes which I took while visiting the Immigration Museum. When you ... it means I was unable to transcribe the word from my audio tape. There's not many and you'll still be able to make out the sense of what is being written. "You have sailed from Ireland with 200 other assisted immigrants but Australia still seems so far away. The family has been allocated just one of the four berths in a small corner of the steerage. Each day is filled with the noise of chattering passengers and children playing and crying while at night the stench of sweat and urine is overwhelming. Barely a week into the voyage your two old daughter contracts scarlet fever and she is still very ill. This morning she asked, “Why did we have to leave home?” and you could find no words to reply. Instructions to the Assistant Matrons aboard the immigrant ships: It will be your duty to aid the Matron of the immigrant ship in superintending young women sent out by the female immigration ……. In fulfilling your duty it must be your constant …… to uphold the authority of the Matron and guided by her directions with respect to the improvement and employment of the immigrants so long as you hold your office. Should you witness any irregularity of conduct, hear any improper language you must immediately check it and if necessary, inform the Matron without delay. In your efforts to benefit the immigrants you should endeavour to secure your influence over them by a goodness united with firmness. Berth: Dimensions – approx 4 feet, length 7 ft 6 inches. 1 Mattress – probably straw. 1 rug and a horrible looking pillow. 1 bench with lots of metal cups, plates and wooden spoons. There is some sort of small wooden barrel – think it might be a water barrel. The berths are in sets of four – one to the left of you, and two above your head. A curtain on a rope divides on berth from another – offers little privacy. Some of the Instruments required by a surgeon on board: A superior mahogany case An amputating saw 2 amputating knives 2 amputating knives bone forceps A Ferguson saw Dissecting forceps An elevator Trephine (medium) and brush A hernia knife Scalpels 2 troches cannulae hernia director aneurism needle 3 silver catheters, no’s. 4, 8 & 12 3 tracheotomy tubes a trachea dilator bleeding lancets midwifery instruments Typhoid, typhus, cholera and diphtheria were the killer diseases found on immigrant ships. Most deaths on the voyage however resulted from more common diseases such as diarrhoea brought on by seasickness, poor hygiene and spoiled rations. One gentleman wrote “Enough to pitch my insides out. It’s all up with me. I am not able to stir. The doctor can provide me no relief but I am not surprised. He is very young and has never been to sea and he is just as ill as the other people.” After the ships captain, the surgeon was the most important person on board. Officially known as the surgeon superintendent. He was also required to supervise passengers and organise the distribution of rations, cleaning below deck, bathing, exercise, schooling and recreation. On larger boats a matron was employed to help and ensure the single women were strictly segregated from male passengers and crew. The toilet is a privy. It’s all wooden. There is a bucket underneath the hole. There’s a toilet lid as well. It says here “Most ships provided only basic toilet and bathing facilities. Authorities complained that even these were underused. Some steerage passengers had never seen a privy or water closet like it before and didn’t understand its purpose. They just filled the bowl with bones and bread scraps. Even better educated passengers often preferred the familiar comfort of squatting over a chamber pot in their cabin. Many people in the 19th century didn’t bath regularly and the connection between personal hygiene and disease was not well understood. Nor was the connection between cholera and contaminated drinking water. This was not discovered until 1848. Even after this ships continued to draw water from polluted rivers in their port of departure. On the better managed ships the area below the deck was thoroughly cleaned every few days, the bedding and belongings were taken up deck, sleeping bags were fumigated with a mixture of vinegar and chloride of lime. Timber floors were scrubbed. Despite such precautions outbreaks of contagious diseases occurred on many ships and spread quickly through the crowded steerage berths. Already infected passengers passed undetected through pre boarding medical checks. Article on coastal sailors: Their impact on aboriginals was destructive. They kidnapped woman from coastal tribes and took them to Bass Strait islands. They spread contagious diseases which proved fatal for a people with no immunity to introduced infections. These lawless nomadic seafarers were not settlers but their exploits encouraged others to follow. Victoria: Looks like it became a colony in 1836. Steamships: Introduced in second half of the 19th century. Paddington’s Irish Moss – very popular for coughs. Cures bronchitis, influenza. Port of Melbourne: Melbourne’s population and trade expanded rapidly through 1840’s. The port was crowded with ships bringing manufactured products for the town and surrounding farming areas. The same ships departed with wool and livestock. By the mid 1840’s wool exports from Victoria were worth almost 5 million pounds – aborigines were massacred in isolated incidents around Victoria. In 1841 one British immigrant ship per week arrives in Port Phillip. Accommodation shortages in 1851 forced people to reside in tents at Canvas Town on the south bank of the Yarra. White people first arrived in Victoria in 1835. Victoria, 1861: Laws were introduced confining aboriginal people to missions and reserves. Victoria was proclaimed a separate colony in 1851 before that it was the colony of New South Wales Wattle Pale Ale brewed by the Foster Brewing company p/l Collingwood." Cheers Anne

Nothing Ronda - starting to think the lists are useless. Anymore requests folks - I need to find one at least! Denise > Hi Denise, > Please could you check for Warburton, Sampson, Kaye and John Morgan in the > stonemason list? > Thank you, > Ronda

nappies > I moved in to Bay Road in the 50's, not telling my age at the time > pp

Ray - no mention in my lists for any of storekeepers, schoolmasters or stonemasons. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [HC] 1875 Directory > Hi Denise, > Mummery please, > Cheers Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:56 AM > Subject: [HC] 1875 Directory > > >> I have a list of Storekeepers, Schoolmasters and Stonemasons from an 1875 > Directory and happy to look up names for you. >> >> No guarantees that the list I have is a complete one! >> >> This offer is open for a week, please do not request if viewing thru > archives after the week. Sorry~ >> >> regards >> Denise >> >>

Kerry thanks. I must have been having a senior's moment ian

Ray, thanks - I'll let you know soon if this is necessary, as I've just had another generous offer. regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Rutherglen - Alexandra Lodge of Freemasons > Hi Denise, > Will catch up with my nephew in the next week and ask him if > he can check the early books, as he is a past master of this lodge.Any > other > names would be a help. > Cheers Ray. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:30 PM > Subject: [HC] Rutherglen - Alexandra Lodge of Freemasons > > >> I'm looking for information on this lodge in regard to it's first few > years. >> Would anyone have anything in their files on it please and happy to send > to me? >> >> My subject Roderick Kilborn was one of the first members - and I am >> hoping > a few other names I'm after may also have belonged. >> >> regards >> Denise >> >>

Hi Wendy I was there in the 50s. I told you I was an old boiler Regards Irene R Rees/Dowsett Family Page http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44 -------Original Message------- From: Wendy Date: 10/31/05 17:52:34 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HC] List your interests O/T Hi Irene, I lived next to those stables too in the 70s and 80s.. Wendy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 10/28/05

Hi Wendy You must have been literally 'one of the new kids on the block' Regards Irene R Rees/Dowsett Family Page http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44 From: Wendy Date: 10/31/05 18:58:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HC] List your interests O/T Albenca Street when I knew them. W -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 10/28/05

Hi all Although the Hoysted and Marshall stables have gone, I wish I still had the ear of the horse-whisperers now that I did then. Never know - I might be a millionaire by now. Regards Irene R Rees/Dowsett Family Page http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44 -------Original Message------- From: Kerry Date: 10/31/05 20:18:04 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HC] CHAT - I went to school at Mentone as a border, but our fence was too high to get a whiff. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: [HC] CHAT - I don't believe any of this - I lived in Bentleigh and attended Ormond East SS . Maybe we all went to the Bentleigh matinee at the same time! Denise Subject: Re: [HC] List your interests O/T > Irene, > my Hoysted is William Lang, who married Vera Mather, William is descendant > from Henry, who was the son of Frederick - very large family all round. > My > main interest is Vera Mather, who descended from my Fulton line. Where > abouts in Mentone were they, I lived in Bay Road Cheltenham. > pp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irene R" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] List your interests O/T > > >> Hi Mary >> >> Are your Hoysteds connected to Fred (F.W.) and/or Bonny. When I was a >> very >> young teenager, we used to live down the road from their stables in > Mentone >> and woke each morning to the sound of the horses cooling down as they > walked >> around the block after their morning training. >> >> Regards >> >> Irene R >> >> Rees/Dowsett Family Page >> >> http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44 >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: Mary Dean >> Date: 10/31/05 17:03:11 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [HC] List your interests >> >> Hi List, >> my interests are - in Beechworth and surrounds - >> Beck, Fulton, Kyle, Mather, Hoysted, and their descendants >> pp >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 10/28/05 >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 10/28/05 >> > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 27/10/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 10/28/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 10/28/05