Hi Wendy, I have a Victorian 1848 marriage certificate and no, it does not show the wife's place of birth. In fact it gives no paternal/maternal history for either the husband or the wife. Cheers Anne -----Original Message----- From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 1:06 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] 1843 birth details Can someone please advise whether a marriage registered in Melbourne in 1841 or a birth registered in Melbourne in 1843 would show the wife or mother's place of birth. My guess is No but I'd like to confirm that please. I know that both the marriage and the christening were at the old St James C of E. Thanks, Wendy

Marina, I have just checked my Ovens Goldfields Directory for 1857 and the Wesleyan Minister then was Rev. J.C. Symons - is that the name on the marriage certificate. Cheers Anne -----Original Message----- From: Marina & Bruce Borland [mailto:matilda@snap.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 6:40 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE Hello Margaret, In 1857, imagine there would not have been a resident minister at Woolshed. My guess is that clergy would have resided mainly in Beechworth and visited other areas as part of a circuit every so on, holding services, performing marriages, christenings and so on, on each visit. Will be an interesting exercise to try and find out whether banns were actually called. Marina ----- Original Message ----- From: "p.ml.pool" <P.ML.Pool@xtra.co.nz> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE > HI Marina, > it was quite common for people to be married in a private residence, dont > assume there were no banns called. > I just checked through a Google search and there was some sites dealing > with Wesleyan Methodist Churches in Australia, might be worth a look. > Good luck > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE > > >> Hello Margaret, >> >> Thank you. >> >> The couple I am interested in were married at a private residence, at >> Woolshed Creek, 1857, by a minister of the Wesleyan Church, thus presume >> there were no banns. This marriage was a "rushed affair" I daresay, as >> the bride produced a baby some three months later! >> >> No, not a member of the NZSG. >> >> Regards, >> >> Marina >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "p.ml.pool" <P.ML.Pool@xtra.co.nz> >> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE >> >> >>> Hi Marina, >>> you are dealing with 2 separate issues, the reading of banns was a >>> church thing and yes I would say that it happened in Australia too, as >>> it did in Great Britain and NZ churches, so if you know the church they >>> were married in, and if they did have a church wedding try there for >>> records of banns. >>> >>> I cant tell you about the civil side of marriage in Australia, but there >>> are books about Family History Research in Australia, and you would >>> probably find your answer there, but each state may have had different >>> regulations. >>> >>> I see you live in NZ, do you belong to the NZSG ? they have books >>> available for borrowing on Australian Family History Research. >>> >>> Hope this helps, Happy New Year to you too, >>> >>> Margaret, >>> NZ >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <matilda@snap.net.nz> >>> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:26 AM >>> Subject: [HC] MARRIAGE >>> >>> >>>> To all on the HC list, a Very Happy New Year, and Safe 2006. >>>> >>>> Questions. When a couple were married in the HC region, 1857 era, were >>>> there any PRE-marriage applications (maybe to the court), banns, or >>>> whatever, that were required to be made first? Was a licence eg >>>> necessary? Or did the couple simply go off, get married, and the >>>> appropriate marriage registration made. >>>> >>>> My thanks for assistance with this poser. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Marina >>>> New Zealand >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: >>>> 12/27/2005 >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: >> 12/27/2005 >> >> > >

Wendy This link may help http://members.westnet.com.au/web/talltrees/civil_registration.htm Pamela S Wendy wrote > Can someone please advise whether a marriage registered in Melbourne in > 1841 or a birth registered in Melbourne in 1843 would show the wife or > mother's place of birth. My guess is No but I'd like to confirm that > please. I know that both the marriage and the christening were at the old > St James C of E. > >

Spare Deaths from the Beechworth area in 1899/1900 Please contact me for more info: 30th January 1900 Holmes Creek Dorothy Lilian O'LOUGHLIN, daughter of Robert Dalrympyle OLOUGHLIN & Mary Ann MCCOY Robert & Mary Ann were both born at Three Mile, and were the parents of Alice Mary Isobel & Ernest Frederick Robert. Robert was a bootmaker, aged 30. Mary Ann was aged 26. Midwife was Mrs. McCoy. 12th January 1900 Finch St Beechworth Lilian Seaton ARMSTRONG, daughter of Alfred ARMSTRONG and Jane VALLANCE. Alred and Jane were both born at Beechworth, and were married in Beechworth. This was their first child. Alfred was a draper aged 28 and Jane was 32. The doctor was David Skinner and the midwife Mrs Williams. 26th January 1900 Silver Creek Patrick Anthony OREILLY, son of Phillip OREILLY & Elizabeth Ann LYNCH Phillip OREILLY was born Geelong, and Elizabeth Ann was born Woolshed. They were married in Beechworth in 1889 and were the parents of Phillip Joseph 7yrs, Francis James 6yrs, Michael Augustine 4yrs, Mary Margaret 2yrs. Phillip was a careftaker aged 44 and Elizabeth was 34. The doctor was James Crane and the midwife was Mrs Clarke. 23rd January1900 Spring Creek Robert William Brewer CAMPBELL, son of Robert Royden CAMPBELL & Mary Francis BREWER Robeert was born Tasmania and Mary was born Wooragee. They were married Strachan, Tas in 1899. This is their first child. Robert was a constable, aged 26 and Mary was 26. Midwife was Mrs Dowling. 24th December 1899 Baarmutha George Albert PRICE, son of Charles Henry PRICE and Margaret OGRADY. Charles Henry was born in Worcestershire and Margaret was born Eldorado. The were married 1882 and were the parents of Margaret 16, Mary Ann 14, Minnie 11, Beatrice 9, Charles Henry 7,Percy 5, Robert William James 3. Midwife was Mrs Clarke. Ronda

El Dorado The shortest distance from Beechworth is about 13 miles same from Wang. The creek itself runs twixt high ranges opening out at the lower end of the Woolshed disclose to view a fine and noble out spreading valley. From the top of what is called Chant's Gap a splendid view. One side Tarrawingee plains under cultivation and dotted with homesteads surrounded with gardens and orchards while on the other side the scenery is wild and romantic barren and stupendous rocks and hills at every turn Top of creek near the crossing Chinamen work old ground. The next claim is Endeavour presently abandoned Approaching Kneebones' the creek widens and continues to do so until Wellington's is passed. Each of these claims 3 in number give constant employment to a good number of men including shareholders wages about £3 pw Hands engaged splitting and conveying timber. The township or village, is midway and a little off the creek - 300 souls There appears to be a permanency about these diggings the diggers themselves in comfortable homesteads with gardens. Marrying and joining in marriage (?difference?) being the order of the day. No substantial buildings owing to the flat on which the town is, will be eventually worked. Triweekly mail from Tarrawingee but a pity that a daily mail is not established between here and B/worth via the Woolshed. Won't be long folks - the coach is acomin! D

Well I'll add another to the list - in the hope that it will save someone some $$$ not having to buy it at some point. Spare Deaths 1854 Beechworth registration Joseph Howes from London Christian Myer from Denmark Henry Miller from London James Girvan from unknown -- 1882 John Kerr ?? of Scotland Thomas V Ferris from Dublin Loon Shing from China William Duffey alia Charles Fuller from London Eliza Wells form Cornwall nee Couch Please - no requests for look ups if reading the archives. regards Denise

Thanks Anne, as I suspected. Very disappointing - or maybe we Victorians have been later spoilt given the information kept after 1853. Cheers, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: RE: [HC] 1843 birth details > Hi Wendy, > > I have a Victorian 1848 marriage certificate and no, it does not show the > wife's place of birth. In fact it gives no paternal/maternal history for > either the husband or the wife. > > Cheers > > Anne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 1:06 PM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HC] 1843 birth details > > > Can someone please advise whether a marriage registered in Melbourne in 1841 > or a birth registered in Melbourne in 1843 would show the wife or mother's > place of birth. My guess is No but I'd like to confirm that please. I know > that both the marriage and the christening were at the old St James C of E. > > Thanks, > Wendy > >

Thanks Pamela, That's a very useful site which I shall stow away for future use - but mine are pre-civil registrations unfortunately. Cheers, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela S" <pakash1@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [HC] 1843 birth details > > Wendy > > This link may help > > http://members.westnet.com.au/web/talltrees/civil_registration.htm > > > > Pamela S > > Wendy wrote > > > Can someone please advise whether a marriage registered in Melbourne in > > 1841 or a birth registered in Melbourne in 1843 would show the wife or > > mother's place of birth. My guess is No but I'd like to confirm that > > please. I know that both the marriage and the christening were at the old > > St James C of E. > > > > > > >

Can someone please advise whether a marriage registered in Melbourne in 1841 or a birth registered in Melbourne in 1843 would show the wife or mother's place of birth. My guess is No but I'd like to confirm that please. I know that both the marriage and the christening were at the old St James C of E. Thanks, Wendy

Hi Denise & Jackie Just catching up with some of my mail backlog. At this point in time I can't see any connections with my THOM family which stems back to Archibald THOM born c.1787 Eddlestone, Peebleshire, SCT, who married Elizabeth STEWART in 1829 in Launceston, TAS. Archibald and family moved to Victoria in the late 1830's and by 1845 he held the Eglinton Run, 12 miles East of Yea. He was noted on the 1847 Directory of Port Phillip as a Settler, 9 Mile Creek, Murray, then in 1848 he took up the Eildon Run. Archibald and Elizabeth's children were: - Margaret b.1830 Campbell Town, TAS, d.1901 Smythesdale, VIC, m. ? McKENZIE - Alexander b.1832 Campbell Town, TAS, m.1858 Christina Campbell MENZIES in VIC - Jane Kyle b.1835 Campbell Town, TAS, d.1899 Caulfield, m.1 1858 George TURNBULL in VIC (of Broken Creek, Emu Plains, Mokoan, Stony Creek & Upotipotpon Runs), m.2 1880 John Lavington EVANS in VIC - Elizabeth Ann b.1842, Heidelberg, VIC, d.1911 Smythesdale, VIC, m.1873 Henry Wood ANDERSON Alexander and Christina's children were: - Unnamed b.1859 Goulburn F, VIC - Archibald b.1862 Mert. VIC - Elizabeth Christina b.1864 Mansfield, VIC - James b.1866 Yea, VIC - Mary b.1868 Alexandra, VIC - Jane b.1870 Alexandra, VIC - Margaret Darrington b.1872 Alexandra, VIC - Cath b.1873 Alexandra, VIC - Jessie b.1876 Alexandra, VIC If you are interested I can give you more information regarding the THOM family. Kind Regards Roz Voullaire roz@voullaire.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [HC] GOLDSWORTHY, MITCHELL and THOM > OK, that solves that one Jackie. You will also see if you search the > archives that Roz V of W.A. has Thom on her list of interest - you never > know > > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JackieQLD-au" <gene_jackie01@iprimus.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] GOLDSWORTHY, MITCHELL and THOM > > >> Denise, >> The reason I posted my message was because I saw you mention THOM. hehe. >> So, just hoped someone might be able to help. >> >> Jackie Q >> >> >> At 05:21 PM 5/11/2005, you wrote: >>>I ask Jackie because I was looking for various pieces of information for >>>my own research in the 1895, 1864 and 1880 OMA. >>> >>>I don't know what it was about, but I saw the name THOM. A couple of >>>hours later you put the name over the list. >>> >>>Sorry I can't help but the name was in the OMA for one of those years. >>>It was in one of those articles which look like a court case, a council >>>meeting or other 'officialdom' meeting, where the names are usually >>>listed in capitals. I am betting at the moment it was in a court room. >>> >>>No help at all I bet, just confused the issue (g) >>> >>>Denise >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "JackieQLD-au" >>><gene_jackie01@iprimus.com.au> >>>To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 5:13 PM >>>Subject: Re: [HC] GOLDSWORTHY, MITCHELL and THOM >>> >>> >>>>All I know is according to the BDM's a Sydney Claude THOM died in >>>>Beechworth in 1964. >>>>But because I can't confirm he's the right Claude THOM, I hadn't really >>>>checked BDM's but since checking, there is no Sydney or Claud / Claud >>>>THOM born in the Beechworth area. In fact, there's none on the Pioneer >>>>Index at all. I just suspect it's the right one as the only other Claud >>>>(no e) THOM who is on the death index would've been born in 1903ish. >>>>However, I could be on the wrong track altogether. The particular >>>>Claude THOM I'm looking for may have gone interstate and died. >>>>This is why I'm trying to confirm details of his marriage to ensure I >>>>have the right one. >>>>It's just interesting to note that family stories say that Matthew John >>>>MITCHELL committed suicide, but according to the Inquest, he died of >>>>cardiac failure. So I can't be sure of any information given to me to >>>>be accurate. >>>>Also, seeing as this isn't my direct line, I don't plan to order any >>>>certificates as yet. >>>>I still want to get my main lines first. >>>> >>>>Jackie Q >>>> >>>>At 04:47 PM 5/11/2005, you wrote: >>>>>Jackie - do you know if this Thom family was in Beechworth in 1864? >>>>> >>>>>Denise >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "JackieQLD-au" >>>>><gene_jackie01@iprimus.com.au> >>>>>To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 4:43 PM >>>>>Subject: [HC] GOLDSWORTHY, MITCHELL and THOM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Mary Elizabeth GOLDSWORTHY was a pupil at MLC (Methodist Ladies >>>>>>College) in the late 1890's. >>>>>>She married Matthew John MITCHELL (no relation to the Bethanga >>>>>>Mitchell's) soon after her brother John's marriage, both marriages >>>>>>taking place in 1922. >>>>>>It is believed she married in haste as she was jealous of her >>>>>>brother's marriage. >>>>>> >>>>>>Mary Elizabeth's marriage to Matthew John MITCHELL ended in Divorce >>>>>>and he died of Cardiac Failure in 1945. >>>>>> >>>>>>She later married Claude THOM, but this marriage was also a disaster. >>>>>>I think it was actually Sydney Claude THOM that she married. Son of >>>>>>Walter THOM and Mary HARVEY who died at Beechworth in 1964. >>>>>>If they married, it would've been after 1942. >>>>>> >>>>>>Does anyone know anything about the THOM family and can assist me with >>>>>>Claude's details ? >>>>>> >>>>>>Jackie Q >

Hi Wendy As they were pre-civil registrations unfortunately not in both cases. It was not until 1853 that the format was changed to include the extra details. Kind Regards Roz Voullaire roz@voullaire.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: [HC] 1843 birth details > Can someone please advise whether a marriage registered in Melbourne in > 1841 or a birth registered in Melbourne in 1843 would show the wife or > mother's place of birth. My guess is No but I'd like to confirm that > please. I know that both the marriage and the christening were at the old > St James C of E. > > Thanks, > Wendy >

Peter, Christ Church sounds much better - I know it well (from the outside that is). Anne -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ross [mailto:rossof@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 9:45 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] St. John's Beechworth Anne & Wendy, It's not you who's confused, it's me of course. Trusting my so-called "memory" again. I should know better, having been there many times. Chris Wild always gets her way, whether it's St John's or Christ Church, or whatever (g). So Christ Church, good for you anyway. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [HC] St. John's Beechworth > Peter, > > I'm confused - I wasn't aware there was a St. John's (church?) in > Beechworth - can you explain please? > > Cheers > > Anne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Ross [mailto:rossof@ozemail.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 6:10 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > Point taken, Wendy. Of course I was making a huge generalisation. And the > small donation is certainly fair enough, considering that they've kept the > records intact and he/she has to know where to look etc... so let's hear it > for St John's, Beechworth! > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > Peter, > > > > I have to put in a good word for the C of E in Beechworth whose historian > > went to no end of trouble, for a small donation admittedly, to hunt out > some > > original 1850's records and copy them for me. I was able to ascertain > > information which was unreadable on the registers. I believe they take > very > > good care of them. > > > > Cheers > > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > > > > Denise & Anne, > > > > > > I'm not sure that we need go on about this (g), but I too have > experienced > > > the same arrogance, discourtesy, and downright rudeness from churches. > I > > > lost any respect for them years ago, and now happily ignore them. Who > > needs > > > them? Those who do must still be treated with respect, but just leave > me > > > out of it! > > > > > > And they don't give a hoot for the keeping of their (your) records! > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:34 PM > > > Subject: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > > > > > > > C/E here too and I wonder if anyone had the same drama we had trying > to > > > get > > > > married. > > > > > > > > I approached the minister where I wanted to get married and he turned > > > around > > > > and asked why should we think he would marry us! > > > > > > > > I was meek and mild in those days (g) but something must have been > > lurking > > > > for I got so angry I told him that he should because not only had my > > > sisters > > > > been married there and their children christened there, but my family > > > helped > > > > build his ... church. He told us OK, that's fine. So did we want > the > > > > standard or deluxe service? Deluxe! That'll be $28 please and a box > of > > > > chocolates for the choir boys (who were there as appointed with their > > > > football boots sticking out from their cassock and I guess the choc > had > > > gone > > > > down to meet the boots by this time. > > > > > > > > I was also told that as the bride I could not be more than 5 minutes > > late > > > to > > > > my own wedding. If I was, then go and have the reception and come > back > > > > another day to get married. > > > > > > > > Our children think this is quite funny given their approaches to their > > > > weddings. > > > > > > > > Denise > > > >

Anne & Wendy, It's not you who's confused, it's me of course. Trusting my so-called "memory" again. I should know better, having been there many times. Chris Wild always gets her way, whether it's St John's or Christ Church, or whatever (g). So Christ Church, good for you anyway. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [HC] St. John's Beechworth > Peter, > > I'm confused - I wasn't aware there was a St. John's (church?) in > Beechworth - can you explain please? > > Cheers > > Anne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Ross [mailto:rossof@ozemail.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 6:10 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > Point taken, Wendy. Of course I was making a huge generalisation. And the > small donation is certainly fair enough, considering that they've kept the > records intact and he/she has to know where to look etc... so let's hear it > for St John's, Beechworth! > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > Peter, > > > > I have to put in a good word for the C of E in Beechworth whose historian > > went to no end of trouble, for a small donation admittedly, to hunt out > some > > original 1850's records and copy them for me. I was able to ascertain > > information which was unreadable on the registers. I believe they take > very > > good care of them. > > > > Cheers > > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > > > > Denise & Anne, > > > > > > I'm not sure that we need go on about this (g), but I too have > experienced > > > the same arrogance, discourtesy, and downright rudeness from churches. > I > > > lost any respect for them years ago, and now happily ignore them. Who > > needs > > > them? Those who do must still be treated with respect, but just leave > me > > > out of it! > > > > > > And they don't give a hoot for the keeping of their (your) records! > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:34 PM > > > Subject: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > > > > > > > C/E here too and I wonder if anyone had the same drama we had trying > to > > > get > > > > married. > > > > > > > > I approached the minister where I wanted to get married and he turned > > > around > > > > and asked why should we think he would marry us! > > > > > > > > I was meek and mild in those days (g) but something must have been > > lurking > > > > for I got so angry I told him that he should because not only had my > > > sisters > > > > been married there and their children christened there, but my family > > > helped > > > > build his ... church. He told us OK, that's fine. So did we want > the > > > > standard or deluxe service? Deluxe! That'll be $28 please and a box > of > > > > chocolates for the choir boys (who were there as appointed with their > > > > football boots sticking out from their cassock and I guess the choc > had > > > gone > > > > down to meet the boots by this time. > > > > > > > > I was also told that as the bride I could not be more than 5 minutes > > late > > > to > > > > my own wedding. If I was, then go and have the reception and come > back > > > > another day to get married. > > > > > > > > Our children think this is quite funny given their approaches to their > > > > weddings. > > > > > > > > Denise > > > >

Can I say not only St Johns Beechworth - on the occasions I have contacted parishes chasing records they have been more than kind and never have I incurred any fees. One time it was after fire had destroyed a portion of a local church, needless to say I was more than impressed when they came up with the goods! Record keeping obviously high on their priority list. Chris On Friday, December 30, 2005, at 06:09 AM, Peter Ross wrote: > Point taken, Wendy. Of course I was making a huge generalisation. > And the > small donation is certainly fair enough, considering that they've kept > the > records intact and he/she has to know where to look etc... so let's > hear it > for St John's, Beechworth! > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > >> Peter, >> >> I have to put in a good word for the C of E in Beechworth whose >> historian >> went to no end of trouble, for a small donation admittedly, to hunt >> out > some >> original 1850's records and copy them for me. I was able to ascertain >> information which was unreadable on the registers. I believe they >> take > very >> good care of them. >> >> Cheers >> Wendy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> >> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT >> >> >>> Denise & Anne, >>> >>> I'm not sure that we need go on about this (g), but I too have > experienced >>> the same arrogance, discourtesy, and downright rudeness from >>> churches. > I >>> lost any respect for them years ago, and now happily ignore them. >>> Who >> needs >>> them? Those who do must still be treated with respect, but just >>> leave > me >>> out of it! >>> >>> And they don't give a hoot for the keeping of their (your) records! >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> >>> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:34 PM >>> Subject: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT >>> >>> >>>> C/E here too and I wonder if anyone had the same drama we had trying > to >>> get >>>> married. >>>> >>>> I approached the minister where I wanted to get married and he >>>> turned >>> around >>>> and asked why should we think he would marry us! >>>> >>>> I was meek and mild in those days (g) but something must have been >> lurking >>>> for I got so angry I told him that he should because not only had my >>> sisters >>>> been married there and their children christened there, but my >>>> family >>> helped >>>> build his ... church. He told us OK, that's fine. So did we want > the >>>> standard or deluxe service? Deluxe! That'll be $28 please and a box > of >>>> chocolates for the choir boys (who were there as appointed with >>>> their >>>> football boots sticking out from their cassock and I guess the choc > had >>> gone >>>> down to meet the boots by this time. >>>> >>>> I was also told that as the bride I could not be more than 5 minutes >> late >>> to >>>> my own wedding. If I was, then go and have the reception and come > back >>>> another day to get married. >>>> >>>> Our children think this is quite funny given their approaches to >>>> their >>>> weddings. >>>> >>>> Denise >>> >

Peter, I'm confused - I wasn't aware there was a St. John's (church?) in Beechworth - can you explain please? Cheers Anne -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ross [mailto:rossof@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 6:10 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT Point taken, Wendy. Of course I was making a huge generalisation. And the small donation is certainly fair enough, considering that they've kept the records intact and he/she has to know where to look etc... so let's hear it for St John's, Beechworth! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > Peter, > > I have to put in a good word for the C of E in Beechworth whose historian > went to no end of trouble, for a small donation admittedly, to hunt out some > original 1850's records and copy them for me. I was able to ascertain > information which was unreadable on the registers. I believe they take very > good care of them. > > Cheers > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > Denise & Anne, > > > > I'm not sure that we need go on about this (g), but I too have experienced > > the same arrogance, discourtesy, and downright rudeness from churches. I > > lost any respect for them years ago, and now happily ignore them. Who > needs > > them? Those who do must still be treated with respect, but just leave me > > out of it! > > > > And they don't give a hoot for the keeping of their (your) records! > > > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:34 PM > > Subject: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > > > > C/E here too and I wonder if anyone had the same drama we had trying to > > get > > > married. > > > > > > I approached the minister where I wanted to get married and he turned > > around > > > and asked why should we think he would marry us! > > > > > > I was meek and mild in those days (g) but something must have been > lurking > > > for I got so angry I told him that he should because not only had my > > sisters > > > been married there and their children christened there, but my family > > helped > > > build his ... church. He told us OK, that's fine. So did we want the > > > standard or deluxe service? Deluxe! That'll be $28 please and a box of > > > chocolates for the choir boys (who were there as appointed with their > > > football boots sticking out from their cassock and I guess the choc had > > gone > > > down to meet the boots by this time. > > > > > > I was also told that as the bride I could not be more than 5 minutes > late > > to > > > my own wedding. If I was, then go and have the reception and come back > > > another day to get married. > > > > > > Our children think this is quite funny given their approaches to their > > > weddings. > > > > > > Denise > >

Hi Peter, No worries - except that the Anglican Church is called Christ Church if my memory serves me correctly.... In the good old days it was the Church of England and Ireland. Have another red <g> Happy NY Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > Point taken, Wendy. Of course I was making a huge generalisation. And the > small donation is certainly fair enough, considering that they've kept the > records intact and he/she has to know where to look etc... so let's hear it > for St John's, Beechworth! > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > Peter, > > > > I have to put in a good word for the C of E in Beechworth whose historian > > went to no end of trouble, for a small donation admittedly, to hunt out > some > > original 1850's records and copy them for me. I was able to ascertain > > information which was unreadable on the registers. I believe they take > very > > good care of them. > > > > Cheers > > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > > > > Denise & Anne, > > > > > > I'm not sure that we need go on about this (g), but I too have > experienced > > > the same arrogance, discourtesy, and downright rudeness from churches. > I > > > lost any respect for them years ago, and now happily ignore them. Who > > needs > > > them? Those who do must still be treated with respect, but just leave > me > > > out of it! > > > > > > And they don't give a hoot for the keeping of their (your) records! > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:34 PM > > > Subject: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > > > > > > > C/E here too and I wonder if anyone had the same drama we had trying > to > > > get > > > > married. > > > > > > > > I approached the minister where I wanted to get married and he turned > > > around > > > > and asked why should we think he would marry us! > > > > > > > > I was meek and mild in those days (g) but something must have been > > lurking > > > > for I got so angry I told him that he should because not only had my > > > sisters > > > > been married there and their children christened there, but my family > > > helped > > > > build his ... church. He told us OK, that's fine. So did we want > the > > > > standard or deluxe service? Deluxe! That'll be $28 please and a box > of > > > > chocolates for the choir boys (who were there as appointed with their > > > > football boots sticking out from their cassock and I guess the choc > had > > > gone > > > > down to meet the boots by this time. > > > > > > > > I was also told that as the bride I could not be more than 5 minutes > > late > > > to > > > > my own wedding. If I was, then go and have the reception and come > back > > > > another day to get married. > > > > > > > > Our children think this is quite funny given their approaches to their > > > > weddings. > > > > > > > > Denise > > > >

Hi Dawn, T'wasn't I who had the problem with the minister - that was Denise! We were married in the Police Academy chapel at Mt Waverley - it is interdenominational so you can basically 'pick your own' minister. Happy NY Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:27 AM Subject: RE: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > And perhaps if you'd wanted Wendy, you could have asked could you use the > Caulfield church but your own vicar from Burwood.. that sort of thing has > been done before to my knowledge - even sharing the honours with a minister > of another denomination in some cases. > > Personally I have never met any such things as you mention. But then I > guess I have been a member of the congregation or known at Mum's church as > her daughter, etc. > > One case where I was not known was in Ireland where I was welcomed and given > all the help you could imagine - just from an email! Another, I chanced to > be outside the church where Grandma was baptized in England at the very time > they were having a prayer meeting, so I was taken in and shown around. > > Seems I have been more fortunate than some folk have been > > Dawn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Ross [mailto:rossof@ozemail.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 6:18 AM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > Perfect! I laugh about it too. But I think there are a lot of "exceptions" > out there! Was Caulfield too good to marry Burwood people? (don't answer > that).... > Cheers, > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > Peter I think this was the exception rather than the rule. I didn't > attend > > his church as it was some distance from our home, we lived in Burwood it > was > > in Caulfield - I guess he wondered why we should ask to marry in a church > we > > never attended. We just laugh about it now and in fact then. > > > > regards > > Denise > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > > > > Denise & Anne, > > > > > > I'm not sure that we need go on about this (g), but I too have > experienced > > > the same arrogance, discourtesy, and downright rudeness from churches. > I > > > lost any respect for them years ago, and now happily ignore them. Who > > > needs > > > them? Those who do must still be treated with respect, but just leave > me > > > out of it! > > > > > > And they don't give a hoot for the keeping of their (your) records! > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.0.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005 > >

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And perhaps if you'd wanted Wendy, you could have asked could you use the Caulfield church but your own vicar from Burwood.. that sort of thing has been done before to my knowledge - even sharing the honours with a minister of another denomination in some cases. Personally I have never met any such things as you mention. But then I guess I have been a member of the congregation or known at Mum's church as her daughter, etc. One case where I was not known was in Ireland where I was welcomed and given all the help you could imagine - just from an email! Another, I chanced to be outside the church where Grandma was baptized in England at the very time they were having a prayer meeting, so I was taken in and shown around. Seems I have been more fortunate than some folk have been Dawn -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ross [mailto:rossof@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 6:18 AM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT Perfect! I laugh about it too. But I think there are a lot of "exceptions" out there! Was Caulfield too good to marry Burwood people? (don't answer that).... Cheers, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > Peter I think this was the exception rather than the rule. I didn't attend > his church as it was some distance from our home, we lived in Burwood it was > in Caulfield - I guess he wondered why we should ask to marry in a church we > never attended. We just laugh about it now and in fact then. > > regards > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > Denise & Anne, > > > > I'm not sure that we need go on about this (g), but I too have experienced > > the same arrogance, discourtesy, and downright rudeness from churches. I > > lost any respect for them years ago, and now happily ignore them. Who > > needs > > them? Those who do must still be treated with respect, but just leave me > > out of it! > > > > And they don't give a hoot for the keeping of their (your) records! > > > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005

Perfect! I laugh about it too. But I think there are a lot of "exceptions" out there! Was Caulfield too good to marry Burwood people? (don't answer that).... Cheers, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > Peter I think this was the exception rather than the rule. I didn't attend > his church as it was some distance from our home, we lived in Burwood it was > in Caulfield - I guess he wondered why we should ask to marry in a church we > never attended. We just laugh about it now and in fact then. > > regards > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] MARRIAGE CHAT > > > > Denise & Anne, > > > > I'm not sure that we need go on about this (g), but I too have experienced > > the same arrogance, discourtesy, and downright rudeness from churches. I > > lost any respect for them years ago, and now happily ignore them. Who > > needs > > them? Those who do must still be treated with respect, but just leave me > > out of it! > > > > And they don't give a hoot for the keeping of their (your) records! > > > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au>