Hi Maree An unregistered birth is indeed a possibility. I know a person born in Victoria in the early 1950s - her birth and that of her brother were not registered. She found out when she needed it for her driving licence. What a hassle she had then! And there is anecdotal evidence too - of say a baptismal record with no matching birth record. Many, many of them. No idea why - perhaps parents either did not bother, thought they had, did not read so did not know the requirements, or thought the church would do it. OR - they are registered under a different name like my grandfather. He was registered as Thomas KIRBY, son of Elizabeth nee BURROWS and Thomas Kirby who married two years before. Well, I only found him by putting mother elizabeth and child Thomas and nothing else into he se3arch engine. He thought he was Alfred Thomas HUNTER, eldest child of Elizabeth nee BURROWS and William Daniel Hunter - who married when Tom was aged 2, as bachelor and spinster. I can vaguely remember being told I was a lucky child to have a birth certificate as my grandfather never had one and had to use his baptismal cert! I presume he was "done" at the same time as the first child, Rosina, of the union. And then there is the possibility he was born say NSW and came to Victoria as a baby - he may have genuinely thought he was born here but in fact wasn't. Or the birth was register at somewhere like Albury but in fact he lived in Victoria - not sure if it was allowed but maybe Mum went to a sister of something living on the other side of the river.. Keep looking for clues - you may find him one day. Look for church records and see what may come up with, too. All the best Dawn (Melbourne) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of maree white Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2008 10:46 PM Cc: [email protected] Subject: Publican query - Clayton Hello again list, This one is tricky, I am looking for a publican named Alfred CLAYTON who supposedly had a child named Vincent Theodore Clayton c 1893 near Geelong. Trouble is , this Vincent Theordore Clayton doesn't appear on the Vic indicies - nor anything even closely related to him. Vincent Theordore died in SA in 1920 with TB. I have his death certificate. The info we have re Vincent Theordore Clayton comes from his WW1 record at the national archives Australia and also his marriage record in England in 1819 whilst serving withe the AIF. I am wondering if : 1. Could there be unregisterd birthes in or about Geelong in the mid 1890s? 2. How would I go about finding info about his father, Alfred Clayton, the supposed publican? I see that PROV has some early licencing liquour records but I think they are too early for my man. Any help greatly apprecicated. Regards, Maree in Adelaide ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 3688 (20081212) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com