Thankyou all for your help. Thanks to Cathie we have found the correct Queenie Dorman & her relationship to my Aunty & myself. <grin> Queenie Irene DORMAN born 1890 St Arnaud, mar Leornard Geoorge McCROREY 1926 & 1931 Vic, died 1976 Greenvale, Vic. Her father was: Frederick Edwin DORMAN & Rebecca Jane PICKARD/RICKARD. His father was Henry Richard DORMAN & Sarah Ann ARNOLD. b London.His father was: Stephen DORMAN & Mary Ann WATERS. b London.His father was: Stephen DORMAN & Mary. Eilleen Beatrice DORMAN born 1902 Ballarat. Her father was: Albert DORMAN & Caroline Louisa PITTARD. His father was: Morgan James DORMAN & Bridget WILSON. b LondonHis father was: Stephen DORMAN & Mary Ann WATERS. b London. So they were second cousins. I had Henry as brother to Morgan but not the second name Richard. I now have all their families, up till the cut off point of course. I had a wonderful time with my new AVRIs. Cheers. Annie from Cairns, Aus.