Hi Tom, The only way I know to find more information would be to order the death certificate. The births on the Victorian Pioneers Index to a James Cutbertson are as follows:- Surname Given Names Event Spouse Surname/Father Spouse Gvn Names/Mother Birth Place Year Reg Number CUTHBERTSON James Watson B James Jessie WATSON BACC 1863 167 CUTHBERTSON Margaret Gardine B James Jessie WATSON BACC 1864 19439 CUTHBERTSON Susan Foley B James Jessie WATSON BACC 1872 6696 CUTHBERTSON Elizabeth Waters B James Janet WATSON BACCHUS MARSH 1867 5947 CUTHBERTSON Ada Jessie B James Jessie WATSON BACCUS MAR 1873 214 CUTHBERTSON Robert Melville B James Jesse WATSON BMARSH 1869 20074 CUTHBERTSON James B James Watson Caroline Elizabeth WHITE BRID 1887 8752 CUTHBERTSON William Melville B James Watson Caroline Elizabeth WHITE BRIDGEWATE 1888 821 CUTHBERTSON Alice Ann B James Matilda PANTHER RAGL 1871 18832 CUTHBERTSON Margaret Eleanor B James Matilda PANTHER RAGL 1882 11395 CUTHBERTSON George Herbert B James Matilda PANTHER RAGL 1884 12098 CUTHBERTSON Emily Matilda B James Matilda PANTHER RAGLAN 1873 19223 CUTHBERTSON John James B James Matilda PANTHER RAGLAN 1877 10884 CUTHBERTSON Hy Ernest B Jas Matilda PANTHER RAGLAN 1880 10997 CUTHBERTSON Jessie Mary B James Watson Carol Eliza WHITE WILL 1885 29816 The other deaths that could be possibilities are. Surname Given Names Event Spouse Surname/Father Spouse Gvn Names/Mother Age Birth Place Death Place Year Reg Number CUTHBERTSON James D U 34 SEA 1855 261M CUTHBERTSON James D Unknown Unknown UNKNOWN 45 LAN 1859 1484 CUTHBERTSON James D 39 SCOT 1864 8625 CUTHBERTSON James D U 37 1873 10661 Regards Mary From: Tom Woolman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2009 7:34 PM To: [email protected]; Goldfields Mailing List Subject: RE: Look Up for James Cuthbertson please Hi Mary, Thank you very much for the information. I must apologise because I didn't make it clear that the James and Janet Cuthbertson who arrived on the Storm Cloud were brother and sister. I have made some clarifying comments in your kind text. Tom > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > Surname: CUTHBERTSON > Given Names: Robert > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Janet CUTHBERSTON > Birth Place: BALLARAT > Year: 1856 > Reg Number: 4578 Tom's comment: This is Janet's "natural" child. The family doesn't know who the father was. > Surname: CUTHBERTSON > Given Names: Janet > Event: M > Spouse Surname/Father: HASTINGS > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: John > Sex: F > Year: 1856 > Reg Number: 15 Tom's comment: This is Janet, my great great grandmother, marrying my great, great grandfather. Her brother, James Cuthbertson, was not a witness at the wedding. > Could James have died at Sea? > -------------------- > > Surname: CUTHBERTSON > Given Names: James > Event: D > Spouse Surname/Father: U > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: 34 > Death Place: SEA > Year: 1855 > Reg Number: 261M Tom's comment: This is something I hadn't thought of. Thank you!! How do I find out more details? We know that James arrived at Port Phillip on the Storm Cloud in December 1854, so is this him on some other voyage? coastal? leaving Australia? returning from having been somewhere else (e.g. New Zealand?) _____ Let ninemsn property help! Need a new place to rent, share or buy? <http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2 F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahottag%3Achange&_t=757263783&_r=SEE K_tagline&_m=EXT>

Thanks so much for this information, Mary. Given the lack of information in the death summaries, I think I'll just pursue the death at sea first. However, top priority now seems to be obtaining the death certificate of a JOHN Cuthbertson in Ballarat, whose death in 1880, aged 65, has Robert Cuthbertson and Ellen Liddell as his parents. My James Cuthbertson had parents Robert, and Helen Riddell, and would have been 63 in 1880. The similarity seems uncanny. James' brother John died as a 15 year old, so it's possible that, on the other side of the world from Scotland, it didn't matter that he used Jack/John instead of Jim/Jas/James. I am grateful to Lister Margaret Trewick for spotting this similarity. Thanks to you both, Tom _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT