Thanks to Brett Weinberg, Susie Zada, Chris Ward, Maree White and Phil Waring for info on my question about Insolvent Estate.I will look into places I have been given to see if I can find out more. Many Thanks, Carol S.A.

Hi Bill, I think you might mean Rutherglen not Raglan (with abbreviation RGLEN). Rutherglen is about 40km or 34mins from Wangaratta. The Annie Kelly who died at Wangaratta Hospital was buried 21/02/1902 and was from Rutherglen and is buried in the Roman Catholic Section with no headstone. >From Wangaratta Cemetery CD: Kelly, Annie. Age 20; Buried 21 February 1902; Resided Rutherglen; Section Roman Catholic No. 1; Plot 31 C Surname: KELLY Given Names: Aileen Annie Event: B Sex: F Spouse Surname/Father: Patk Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Annie OCONNOR Age: Age Code: Birth Place: RGLEN Death Place: Year: 1902 Reg. Number: 5792 Surname: KELLY Given Names: Annie Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN Age: 20 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Watta Hosp Year: 1902 Reg. Number: 3717 Surname: OCONNOR Given Names: Annie Event: M Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: KELLY Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Patk Age: Age Code: Birth Place: VIC Death Place: Year: 1901 Reg. Number: 3076 Surname: KELLY Given Names: Pat Event: M Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: OCONNOR Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Annie Age: Age Code: Birth Place: VIC Death Place: Year: 1901 Reg. Number: 3076 I hope this helps. Regards Shelley ----- Original Message ----- From: "lone&Bill White" <lone@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:45 PM Subject: Watta Hospital > Hi Listers > > I have an ancestor - Annie KELLY (nee O'CONNER), Registration no 3717 - > who > was living in the Ararat mining area and gave birth to a baby in Raglan, > 1902 who survived. She is listed in dying at "Watta Hospital" in Victoria > , > 1902. > > > > A "Watta Hospital" cannot be located was wondering if this could be a > shortening of Wangaratta Hospital which was open from 1872 to 1975. > > > > Appreciate any thoughts from listers. > > Regards > > Bill from Cairns > > >

Hi Bill and other listers Yes Annie did die in Wangaratta and she is buried at Wangaratta cemetery. Kelly, Annie. Age 20; Buried 21 February 1902; Resided Rutherglen; Section Roman Catholic No. 1; Plot 31 C She doesnt appear to have a headstone but I will check this out further in a day or two when I have time to talk to the sexton. There are other Kellys in plot 34 , not sure how close to hers that is at this stage but will suss that out for you as well.

It appears to e resolved that Watta was an abbreviation used For Wangaratta Base Hospital. Thank you to all listers that assisted Kind regards Bill in Cairns

Hello Bill Hope this site is helpful: http://myweb.westnet.com.au/talltrees/resources/vic_abbr.htm Lyn Mildura Vic. -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-goldfields-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-goldfields-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lone&Bill White Sent: Friday, 5 August 2011 3:45 PM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Watta Hospital Hi Listers I have an ancestor - Annie KELLY (nee O'CONNER), Registration no 3717 - who was living in the Ararat mining area and gave birth to a baby in Raglan, 1902 who survived. She is listed in dying at "Watta Hospital" in Victoria , 1902. A "Watta Hospital" cannot be located was wondering if this could be a shortening of Wangaratta Hospital which was open from 1872 to 1975. Appreciate any thoughts from listers. Regards Bill from Cairns ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers I have an ancestor - Annie KELLY (nee O'CONNER), Registration no 3717 - who was living in the Ararat mining area and gave birth to a baby in Raglan, 1902 who survived. She is listed in dying at "Watta Hospital" in Victoria , 1902. A "Watta Hospital" cannot be located was wondering if this could be a shortening of Wangaratta Hospital which was open from 1872 to 1975. Appreciate any thoughts from listers. Regards Bill from Cairns

Good morning to everyone on the list I am researching the family of my great-great-grand-uncle and -aunt, George Augustus MILLER and Matilda MILLER (nee EGGERS). George and Matilda married in Geelong in 1853, and lived in the Geelong area in the mid-1850s, then Ballarat in the late 1850s and early 1860s, and then finally moved on to Melbourne in the mid-1860s. I have known for some time that George Augustus MILLER was, among other things, a publican during his time in Ballarat. I am now following up a new lead on this information, and I am hoping some of you may be able to provide me with information or at least some suggestions as to where to look. I have recently discovered that George Augustus MILLER was in partnership in a hotel in Ballarat with a Michal GANNON during 1861 and possibly earlier. Unfortunately I don't know the name of the hotel. Can anybody on the list please tell me whether there is a list of hotels, or a list of hotel licensees, for Ballarat in the 1860-1862 period ? Alternatively, are there any trade directories for Ballarat for the 1860s ? Any ideas or suggestions for tracking down the name of the hotel, in which George Augustus MILLER was a partner, would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Nick Batley Sydney

Me again, The Insolvent Estate of James Edwards, Late of Bacchus Marsh. This was in the Argus Nov. 1861. On his wife's death certificate has that he died in 1865. I just wondered if it was wrong and he died in in 1861. Everyone has helped to find a Death Certificate but there isn't any. Cheers, Carol

Hi Carol, My great grand uncle was in the Vic govt gazettes of the day as having an insolvent estate in 1877 in Castlemaine. His belongings were sold and any monies raised went to creditors. He subsequently died in 1918. So I think it quite feasible that your relative was just bankrupt at the time. Maree in Adelaide On 3/08/2011 20:29, Carol Kelsh wrote: > > > > Me again, The Insolvent Estate of James Edwards, Late of Bacchus Marsh. This was in the Argus Nov. 1861. On his wife's death certificate has that he died in 1865. I just wondered if it was wrong and he died in in 1861. Everyone has helped to find a Death Certificate but there isn't any. Cheers, Carol > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3806 - Release Date: 08/03/11 04:04:00 >

Hi Carol, First question - was it "solvent" as per your first email or "insolvent" as per your second email? This is a fairly important point as the two terms mean the direct opposite! Secondly you could perhaps include a name as others may be able to help with that. Generally a reference to an estate like this means the person is probably deceased. If it said Mr X, an insolvent, late of a town - that would mean that he used to reside in the town and had moved on - the inclusion of the word estate following solvent or insolvent indicates he's deceased. Hope that helps ........ Susie Z -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-goldfields-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-goldfields-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Kelsh Sent: 03 Aug 2011 6:03 PM To: aus-vic-goldfields@rootsweb.com Subject: Query 2 OOps, My question about the insolvent estate of a person, late of a town was he dead or moved and was bankrupt. I meant to add that this is about in the 1860's. Thak you, Carol.

OOps, My question about the insolvent estate of a person, late of a town was he dead or moved and was bankrupt. I meant to add that this is about in the 1860's. Thak you, Carol.

Hi Everyone, If the Solvent Estate of a person, Late of a town. Does this mean that he was dead or that he lived somewhere else and was bankrupt? This is in Victoria. Thank you,Carol, S.A.

Well here is the marriage KELLY Pat married OCONNOR Annie Birth Place (him): VIC Year: 1901 Reg. Number: 3076. Looking it up by the ref number and year, she also was born in Vic. I would like to find her birth to find her parents, but there are too many. We can't assume she was given the name Annie, not Anne, Ann, or other variations. Given the short length of the marriage to Patrick Kelly it is very likely Annie married again and you will need to look for her death using her parents' names, rather than under Kelly. I have looked for a marriage but again there are too many to be sure of just in the Edwardian index, let alone the later Great War and marriage indexes! Dawn (Melbourne) -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-goldfields-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-goldfields-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Gregurke Sent: Monday, 1 August 2011 11:06 PM To: lone@tpg.com.au; aus-vic-goldfields@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Patrick KELLY - Ararat Bill, Im pretty sure I have located Patricks wife. She was Annie Oconnor and they were married in Victoria in 1901. Annie is noted as the mother of Aileen and Patrick as father on Ancestry.com. Aileen Alma Kelly was born about 1902, death 1919 Carlton aged 17. Havent been able to find Annies death as yet but Im still working on it. Off to bed now so I will continue tomorrow. Janet > From: lone@tpg.com.au > To: aus-vic-goldfields@rootsweb.com > Subject: Patrick KELLY - Ararat > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:48:13 +1000 > > Dear Listers, > > I am seeking information on Patrick KELLY son of John Joseph KEELY and > Elizabeth Anne WHITTA born in Arrarat Victoria in 1878. > >. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6342 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6342 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Bill, Im pretty sure I have located Patricks wife. She was Annie Oconnor and they were married in Victoria in 1901. Annie is noted as the mother of Aileen and Patrick as father on Ancestry.com. Aileen Alma Kelly was born about 1902, death 1919 Carlton aged 17. Havent been able to find Annies death as yet but Im still working on it. Off to bed now so I will continue tomorrow. Janet > From: lone@tpg.com.au > To: aus-vic-goldfields@rootsweb.com > Subject: Patrick KELLY - Ararat > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:48:13 +1000 > > Dear Listers, > > I am seeking information on Patrick KELLY son of John Joseph KEELY and > Elizabeth Anne WHITTA born in Arrarat Victoria in 1878. > >. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill Its Janet again, I just looked at the war documents and noted that Patrick's medals were to go to his mother a Mrs E Kelly at Campbell st Ararat so it looks like we are on the right track. His daughter Aileen had died from Influenza pneumonia in 1919 and his father died in May 1920 so this gives us a bit more to work with. It also stated there were no other living children. Also seen in one spot that his daughter is Aileen Alma Kelly. I will keep searching for you with this little bit more info. Janet > From: lone@tpg.com.au > To: aus-vic-goldfields@rootsweb.com > Subject: Patrick KELLY - Ararat > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:48:13 +1000 > > Dear Listers, > > I am seeking information on Patrick KELLY son of John Joseph KEELY and > Elizabeth Anne WHITTA born in Arrarat Victoria in 1878. > > The next document that I can locate is his Army Enlistment to the 7th > Battalion in January 1915' > > The document is stamped deceased. The nominal war1 record shows KIA 8/9 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, I have had a bit of a look at the electoral roll for your Patrick Kelly. There were a lot of Kelly's in Ararat. Do any of these make and sense to you. 1914 John Kelly Campbell st Ararat retired railway worker. Elizabeth Kelly Campbell st Ararat homeduties Louisa Jane Campbell st Ararat homeduties Marion Campbell st Ararat nurse Patrick Campbell st Ararat miner Edward Benjamin miner John Joseph Kelly Mafeking miner I also found John Joseph Kelly in 1909 at Mt William, Miner Eileen May Kelly Moore st Ararat in 1924 homeduties James Kelly Moore st Ararat attendant If you know any more details of family I may be able to narrow it down a bit as there are others listed as well Hope this helps regards Janet > From: lone@tpg.com.au > To: aus-vic-goldfields@rootsweb.com > Subject: Patrick KELLY - Ararat > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:48:13 +1000 > > Dear Listers, > > I am seeking information on Patrick KELLY son of John Joseph KEELY and > Elizabeth Anne WHITTA born in Arrarat Victoria in 1878. > > The next document that I can locate is his Army Enlistment to the 7th > Battalion in January 1915' > > The document is stamped deceased. The nominal war1 record shows KIA 8/9 > August 1915. The battalion withdrew from Gallipoli in December 1915. > > In his enlistment details he describes himself as a resident of Ararat; > miner and widower. His next of kin is noted as his daughter Aileen also a > resident of Ararat. > > I am unable to find records of his marriage, or his wife and/or daughters, > death. > > Any kind soul that can assist would be greatly appreciated > > Regards > > Bill from Cairns > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,Thank You to Norm, Lyn and Dawn for the Info that you sent.Sorry I took so Long. Had visitors and another one coming Tomorrow. On Catherine (nee Daly/Daley) Edwards then Allen/Allan Death Cert. said she also had a Margaret and a John both deceased. Perhaps their births were not registered. There was also a Susan somewhere according to an Argus report. Thanks for all your Help, Carol,S.A.

Dear Listers, I am seeking information on Patrick KELLY son of John Joseph KEELY and Elizabeth Anne WHITTA born in Arrarat Victoria in 1878. The next document that I can locate is his Army Enlistment to the 7th Battalion in January 1915' The document is stamped deceased. The nominal war1 record shows KIA 8/9 August 1915. The battalion withdrew from Gallipoli in December 1915. In his enlistment details he describes himself as a resident of Ararat; miner and widower. His next of kin is noted as his daughter Aileen also a resident of Ararat. I am unable to find records of his marriage, or his wife and/or daughters, death. Any kind soul that can assist would be greatly appreciated Regards Bill from Cairns

Here's some info on James Edwards ... couldn't locate a death - too many to choose from maybe or maybemore info on where Cayth was living when she remarried would help? The Digger - Pioneer Index shows the marriage of Catherine Daley to James Edwards: Surname: EDWARDS Given Names: James Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: DALEY Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Cath Age: Sex: M Birth Place: Death Place: Year: 1848 Reg Number: 40641 Denomination: ROMAN CATHOLIC Parish: ST FRANCIS, MELBOURNE Fiche: 553 Surname: EDWARDS Given Names: James Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: DALEY Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Catherine Age: Sex: M Birth Place: Death Place: Year: 1848 Reg Number: 612 Denomination: ROMAN CATHOLIC Parish: ST FRANCIS, MELBOURNE Fiche: 649 and the birth of these 5 children - there may be more - I didn't bother with hunting about with spelling variations - -------------------- Surname: EDWARDS Given Names: Louisa Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: James Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Cath DALY Age: Sex: F Birth Place: MELBOURNE Death Place: Year: 1849 Reg Number: 42965 Denomination: ROMAN CATHOLIC Parish: ST FRANCIS, MELBOURNE Fiche: 581 Surname: EDWARDS Given Names: Sera Ann Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: James Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Cath DALEY Age: Sex: F Birth Place: BMARSH Death Place: Year: 1851 Reg Number: 44215 Denomination: ROMAN CATHOLIC Parish: ST FRANCIS, MELBOURNE Fiche: 588 Surname: EDWARDS Given Names: Catherine Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Jas Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Catherine DALEY Age: Sex: Birth Place: BACCHUS MARSH Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 10343 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: EDWARDS Given Names: Ann Maria Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: James Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Catharine DALY Age: Sex: Birth Place: BACCHUS MARSH Death Place: Year: 1857 Reg Number: 9800 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: EDWARDS Given Names: Sarah Jane Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Jas Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Catherine DALY Age: Sex: Birth Place: BACCHUS MARSH Death Place: Year: 1859 Reg Number: 12487 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: This Sarah Jane - possibly mistakenly registered as Sarah Ann died in 1861 aged 2 years...at Bacchus Marsh.. location inforamtion and the names of the kids from the certs would be of some help to undersatnd what happened? good luck Robert in Melbourne On 26/07/2011 5:04 PM, Carol Kelsh wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, Another Question. I have just received Catherine (nee Daly/Daley) Edwards then Allan Death Cert. On it was that her first husband name was John yet on their Marriage Cert. his name was James. I am wondering if anyone can find a Death for a John Edwards in c1865 ? Also whether under the name of John Edwards and Cartherine(nee Daly/Daley) did they have any children listed as there are more children listed on Catherine"s death cert. than under James and Catherine Edwards ? Thank You, CarolS.A. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Everyone, Another Question. I have just received Catherine (nee Daly/Daley) Edwards then Allan Death Cert. On it was that her first husband name was John yet on their Marriage Cert. his name was James. I am wondering if anyone can find a Death for a John Edwards in c1865 ? Also whether under the name of John Edwards and Cartherine(nee Daly/Daley) did they have any children listed as there are more children listed on Catherine"s death cert. than under James and Catherine Edwards ? Thank You, CarolS.A.