Hi All I have a list of people buried in the Timor and other cemeteries of the Central Goldfields Shire (incomplete) and photos of all the headstones in the cemeteries of the shire and further afield. I have been collecting cemetery, school, church and other records well before I started the Maryborough Family History Group 12 years ago and the Carisbrook Historical Society 11 years ago. I am happy to do any look ups. Elaine

Hello List , I have received this info regarding an ancestor. But I dont recognise the index number CB 1817985 "Farmer CB 1817985 (Death by drowning) Drowned fording a river (place unknown) while driving stock" I have one on another family member but that is all - " Age 81 CB 1818093" Can someone tell me in what records this registration number may be found Thanks Andrea

I am researching William MILNE, b 1831 - 1835 in Aberdeen, Scotland to George MILNE and Helen PYPER. William married Emily Manly Egerton MCMINN, b 1847 Hobart Town, Tasmania in 1869. William and Emily had 10 Children and lived in the Sandhurst/Bendigo area. If anyone can help me with any details on this family I would be extremely grateful. Brenda, Foster, Victoria

Hi List, With the talk on Alma / Timor etc. thought I would pass this on. The Timor booklet contains the 1906 hand drawn map of Timor, that Tom referred to. Publications (local history of Maryborough & district) available for sale via the Maryborough Visitor Information Centre can be viewed at www.visitmaryborough.com.au (new website) all are available via post. regards Lois MARYBOROUGH's 150th 1854 - 2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 9/07/05

Hi Ian, you dont elaborate on what your particular brick walls are, so I have presumed you want to know more about what happened to all these folk. The first question I asked was how die Charles Ernest HALL and Louisa CHINNOCK meet. Looking at the Victoria record I have presumed its because some or all of the CHINNOCKS must have moved to WA at some stage as the BDM trail goes cold in Victoria. Interestingly the WA Govt online Pioneers BDM has no record of Charles and Louisa marrying in 1896. Looking at Louisa's siblings. 1. Alfred. Died Clunes 1893 (1276) aged 23 years 2. Albert Leslie. Died Clunes in 1890 (11218) aged 6 years. 3. Samuel James. Died WA in 1899 (510) aged 22years 4. Thomas. There is a death record in NSW for 1893 (7958) for a Thomas CHINNOCK parents John and Ann in Leichardt Looking next at the HALL family. There is a cemetery record for a Charles Ronald Hall died 10/8/1994 aged 92 cremated Karrakatta cemetery, Perth that would be worth pursuing. It indicates that he died in the suburb of Warwick. If it is the person you are looking for electoral records would indicate how long he lived there and give a house number and street name. Hope this helps. Peter Matthews ----- Original Message ----- From: "ianspe Main Connection" <ianspe@iinet.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: Hall - Chinnock > G'day All, > > I am new to these lists and am researching the above families but keep > running into brick walls. > > HALL Family. > Robert Bernard HALL b1845 Norfolk UK and Elizabeth COGMAN b1844 Norfolk UK > Offspring: Robert b1869, Elizabeth b1874, George b1879 and Charles Ernest > b1871 Norwich UK who married in Perth in 1896 to Louisa CHINNOCK born 1870 > Clunes Ballarat Vic. > Offspring born in Boulder WA : Annie Amelia bDec 1900, Charles Ronald > b1904. > > CHINNOCK (CHINNICK) Family > John CHINNOCK b1806 Cornwall UK married to Dorothy ANDREWS b1811 Cornwall > UK. > Offspring all born in Cornwall UK: Elizabeth b1827, Mary b1832, William > b1835, James b1839, Rosina 1841 and John b1833 died Clunes Vic 1909 > married in Ballarat 1868 to Ann CLAMPETT b1846 died Clunes Vic 1919. > Offspring all presumed born in Clunes: > Alfred b1872, William John b1869, Dorothy b1874, Samuel James b1876, > Thomas b1877, Albert Leslie b1884 and the above Louisa b1870. > > I would appreciate a contact from anyone researching these families or any > information that others may be able to find on records in the two > goldfields areas as I have drawn a blank on both families and now don't > know where else to look. > > Any other assistance would be thankfully received. > > Regards > > > Ian Spence > Bicton WA > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in > the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com >

G'day All, I am new to these lists and am researching the above families but keep running into brick walls. HALL Family. Robert Bernard HALL b1845 Norfolk UK and Elizabeth COGMAN b1844 Norfolk UK Offspring: Robert b1869, Elizabeth b1874, George b1879 and Charles Ernest b1871 Norwich UK who married in Perth in 1896 to Louisa CHINNOCK born 1870 Clunes Ballarat Vic. Offspring born in Boulder WA : Annie Amelia bDec 1900, Charles Ronald b1904. CHINNOCK (CHINNICK) Family John CHINNOCK b1806 Cornwall UK married to Dorothy ANDREWS b1811 Cornwall UK. Offspring all born in Cornwall UK: Elizabeth b1827, Mary b1832, William b1835, James b1839, Rosina 1841 and John b1833 died Clunes Vic 1909 married in Ballarat 1868 to Ann CLAMPETT b1846 died Clunes Vic 1919. Offspring all presumed born in Clunes: Alfred b1872, William John b1869, Dorothy b1874, Samuel James b1876, Thomas b1877, Albert Leslie b1884 and the above Louisa b1870. I would appreciate a contact from anyone researching these families or any information that others may be able to find on records in the two goldfields areas as I have drawn a blank on both families and now don't know where else to look. Any other assistance would be thankfully received. Regards Ian Spence Bicton WA

Hi I am new to this list. I'm descended from John Dunlop b 1777 Argyleshire Scotland. He was a gold miner at Poverty Point and died in 1872. I would love any information on him if anyone else has an interest in this fellow. Kind regards Maureen Player

Thanks List for your questions on Alma / Timor and for 'WAKING TOM', knew the Timor reference would probably get a response. Sorry but I do enjoy his very informative and accurate responses to queries. regards Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Listerman" <nanknoo@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: RE: Timor > hi Folks > putting off going out into the ice covered garden here on the goldfields > ...... > > Sam wrote: > snip: am wondering whether the TIMOR cemetary and TIMOR TULLAROOPSHIRE are > of the same place? I have a relative with the surname SAMPSON nee ORGAN who > I believe to have died and be buried there.... > > My reply: yes, they are, Tullarooop Shire becoming part of the current > Central Goldfields Shire in the amalgamations not too long ago. The early > Cemetery records were lost by the usual process, in a house fire. Other > listers and the Midlands (Maryborough District) Historical Society ( who > have a website) will have more info., on the area as well. > > There are many surviving headstones in the cemetery, including those of my > ggggrandmother, and alleged gggrandfather. The last one and a bit of the > very fancy timber Art Nouveau grave surrounds were still standing a year and > a bit ago, but most other timber headstones have gone. > > A map from c.1900 exists of the location of the houses for Timor-Bowenvale > > Note that there was almost continuous settlement, following the mining > leads, from the edge of the Crown Land where Dundas Road and Pekin Road from > Maryborough meet, through Leviathan Reef, to Chinaman's Flat to Bowenvale to > Timor, all in about 4 km, maybe less, with lateral settlement across to > Lower Alma (where my gggrandmother lived) to Alma itself. > > There was also reef mining in the area, with one minor reef being named > Hastings Reef, and mined by my ggrandfather of that surname. > > There's the remains of considerable lead mining in the area, including those > of puddling machines, some of the mullock heaps, and the huge arches which > supported the cornish pumps. There's also evidence of much later cyaniding. > > There will be lots of information on Alma, Timor, etc in the List Archives. > They're at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS > > but don't blame me if you get stuck in there for hours! Discipline, Doris! > > Tom > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the living. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 9/07/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 9/07/05

Hi Maureen :) "I'm descended from John Dunlop b 1777 Argyleshire Scotland. He was a gold miner at Poverty Point and died in 1872." I got so excited when I read this, I must have been doing my family history for too long I think! lol I have DUNLOPs in my own tree, but mine are from Ayrshire, not Argyleshire. Bummer!! :(( If you ever connect to anyone in Ayrshire, would you let me know please? I'll return the favour; if I ever find any Argyleshire Dunlops, I'll pass them along to you! :D Just in case you DO come across any Ayrshire DUNLOPs in your tree, here's the oldest information I've found ... David DUNLOP married Catherine HOOD on July 15, 1832 at Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland. To date I've only found one descendant, Alexander DUNLOP born abt. 1832 in Irvine, Ayrshire. He married Ellen BYRON (which is ironic because my Grandmother married a BYNON! ;D) who was from Tipperary. I don't have any info on David and Catherine in Australia, but their son Alexander died in Footscray. Apparently Alexander was a boatman according to his death certificate, but all my other ancestors in this line (the BYNON and ARMSTRONG lines anyway) were miners who migrated to Bendigo and pretty much spent their lives there. A few moved closer to Melbourne to the western suburbs. Take care, Robyn.

hi Folks putting off going out into the ice covered garden here on the goldfields ...... Sam wrote: snip: am wondering whether the TIMOR cemetary and TIMOR TULLAROOPSHIRE are of the same place? I have a relative with the surname SAMPSON nee ORGAN who I believe to have died and be buried there.... My reply: yes, they are, Tullarooop Shire becoming part of the current Central Goldfields Shire in the amalgamations not too long ago. The early Cemetery records were lost by the usual process, in a house fire. Other listers and the Midlands (Maryborough District) Historical Society ( who have a website) will have more info., on the area as well. There are many surviving headstones in the cemetery, including those of my ggggrandmother, and alleged gggrandfather. The last one and a bit of the very fancy timber Art Nouveau grave surrounds were still standing a year and a bit ago, but most other timber headstones have gone. A map from c.1900 exists of the location of the houses for Timor-Bowenvale Note that there was almost continuous settlement, following the mining leads, from the edge of the Crown Land where Dundas Road and Pekin Road from Maryborough meet, through Leviathan Reef, to Chinaman's Flat to Bowenvale to Timor, all in about 4 km, maybe less, with lateral settlement across to Lower Alma (where my gggrandmother lived) to Alma itself. There was also reef mining in the area, with one minor reef being named Hastings Reef, and mined by my ggrandfather of that surname. There's the remains of considerable lead mining in the area, including those of puddling machines, some of the mullock heaps, and the huge arches which supported the cornish pumps. There's also evidence of much later cyaniding. There will be lots of information on Alma, Timor, etc in the List Archives. They're at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS but don't blame me if you get stuck in there for hours! Discipline, Doris! Tom

Hi all I have been reading along with interest the messages about Joyce's Creek etc. I just read in Tom's message about a TIMOR creek and am wondering whether the TIMOR cemetary and TIMOR TULLAROOPSHIRE are of the same place? I have a relative with the surname SAMPSON nee ORGAN who I believe to have died and be buried there.... Regards Samm Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Thanks Daryl - Have downloaded a copy of the letter which certainly gives an insight into how tough it was for our gold-mining ancestors living in Alma. More flesh on the bones. Appreciate your time and interest Regards Joan

Thanks Tom, appreciate all the information, will now go and dabble in the Archives. Cheers Joan

Hi Folk With some of the discussion being about Alma some of you may find a transcript of an 1855 letter written from Alma back to England regarding conditions, mining, society, etc to be interesting. The transcript, recently published is at... http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/art/brain_letter.htm Regards Daryl Povey http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au

Try this site for a copy of A Homestead History being the Reminiscences and Letters of Alfred Joyce of Plaistow www.pioneerbooks.com.au Cheers Ian Rumbold

Gals ( this is an alternative postivie discrimination generic to "guys" and more accurate for the majority of list members I'd say). Re. Joyces'/Joyce's Creek Diggings. if you can get hold of A Homestead History, Reminiscences and Letters of Alfred Joyce of Plaistow and Norwood, Port Phillip, 1843-1864 ed. G.J. James, 3rd edition, 1969, O.U.P, 206 pages, indexes, photos, the confusion will unconfuse! From memory, two Joyce brothers George and Alfred, came first to Plaistow run (on the edge of what is now Cairn Curran at what is still called locally "Joyce's Creek). Alfred then moved further "inland" to between what is now Alma and Wareek and took up Norwood run on what is now called the Bet Bet Creek. The Alma diggings were on a tributary of the Bet Bet, now called the Timor (pron Tie-mor, not Tee-mor) Creek. it was quite logical for goldfields locals of the Maryborough area to call Timor Creek "Joyce's Creek" because it was (just) on the Norwood run. Water was in much shorter supply (still is) on the Norwood side of Maryborough than on the Plaistow side - Alfred regretted moving there, and eventually went broke ( for many reasons if you read the book) So, it's quite likely that he was VERY interested in what was happening to a Creek (Timor) on his run. In modern times, since the opening of the Melbourne-Castlemaine- Maryborough railway in 1874, there was no local confusion, because Joyce's Creek was a railway station and a village (site mostly destroyed by the building of the Cairn Curran Reservoir in the 1950's) on that railway, and given that most passenger trains (to 1948) were mixed goods, travellers had plenty of time to contemplate the delights of Joyce's Creek while the train shunted the goods wagons. If you want more info on either Joyce's Creek or Alma or Cairn Curran go to the list archives. Back in the days when I had lots of time ( 2003?) to post to the list, several of us posted lots of messages in relation to those places. Enjoy, all youse gals! ( Youse being the plural of "you" in lots of modern goldfields places. There's a certain logic for those who don't know the "thou" history.) Back to burning the tree branches wot the drought has killed. Tom >From: "Elaine Murphy" <emurphy@netconnect.com.au> >To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Alma / Joyces Creek >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:06:47 +1000 > >Hi All >Joyces Creek is near Newstead and Alma is the other side of Maryborough >Elaine > > >==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >Searchable archives at >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L >

Hi List, Joyce's Creek is near Newstead, in the district of Newstead, Victoria. My father's first job when he left school at the age of fifteen, in 1924, was at Joyces Creek. He would often walk or ride a horse (if one was available) from Newstead to Joyces Creek. Taken from NEWSTEAD by R A Bradfield. Quote: Joyces Creek 333 School William McClure established this Primitive Methodist school on the 20th Feb. 1860, when average attendance was 30. It was closed on September 30th 1870, becoming SS 1053 Joyces Creek opening on 1 November 1870, with Robert Beilby as HT. Eventually closed 21 April 1944. Joyces Creek 1053 Fisrt location of this school was near the present railway bridge over the Cairn Curran reservoir, on the north side of the Highway. The old site is now submerged. The entire school building was moved during 1920, to a site across the creek valley, 200 yards nearer Newstaed. It was a single weatherboard room, with brick chimney. A small residence reputed to be on the old site, seems to have disasppeared during the move. Enrolment had reached 43, before the move. Whennearby Moloort closed in 1930, numbers increased, but the 1930's depression had a lowering effect. Some HT's who served here were, Ernest Crosley, Elsie Stephens, Jack Caulfied, Elvira Martiney. Hope this is of interest to you all. Raine

Elaine Murphy wrote: >>I have copies of 404 Maryborough and 1030 Carisbrook Primary >> >> >Schools. > > Elaine, Are these records searchable? A sizeable portion of one line I am following were from Carisbrook (and still are, since the 1850s). Trevor

Hello Beth and Listers, The author of the books you are referring to is Betty May Jackman. I have often borrowed them from the Bendigo Library and regretted I didn't buy them when they were first printed. They are a great source of information. Marg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Codling <bcodling2@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Bendigo Papers 1901 > There are 3 book volumes of personals from the Bendigo newspaper in the > State Library. I looked at one of them on Wednesday for the 1890s. I am > fairly certain that Volume 3 would cover 1901. Surnames are indexed so it is > easy to check. > Beth Codling > bcodling2@bigpond.com > >

There are 3 book volumes of personals from the Bendigo newspaper in the State Library. I looked at one of them on Wednesday for the 1890s. I am fairly certain that Volume 3 would cover 1901. Surnames are indexed so it is easy to check. Beth Codling bcodling2@bigpond.com -----Original Message----- From: littletrees [mailto:littletrees@pacific.net.au] Sent: Friday, 8 July 2005 8:56 AM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Bendigo Papers 1901 Good morning to all, Is there anyone who can tell me if it is possible to obtain marriage notices out of a Bendigo Paper in the year 1901? are they kept at the Newspaper office or at the local Library, or even at the State Library? Would appreciate any info on the matter. Many thanks in advance Judy