Thanks Anne for the information on John Warkman - it gives me the solid data for what I've been told. The big question seems to be whether John Warkman went to the goldfields prior to joining the Melbourne and Hobson's Bay Railway or whether he joined the company very early on. It doesn't seem likely that he would have stayed in Melbourne in 1852 - it was all but emptied (of men) by the goldrush, but perhaps he came back when the railway was under construction in 1853/54. Looks like I will have to treat myself to a day in the PRO to see what I can dig up. Jeanette Heath

Hi Ada, Many thanks for replying. Chris' obit tells me that he worked for McLean Bro & Rigg in (jarrah) the firm's large sawmilling business in W.Australia. I'm trying to pinpoint the timeframe, but it would have been I am sure in late 70s or 1880s. WE know Chris, an old sawmiller himself, was in Trentham sometime prior to his death in1887 - I guess the Directory information may have been collected during the year of his death to be included in 1888 - and yes he lived in Prahran at time of death although not at that address - perhaps 1888 was his son. I know he was on a ship to Melbourne in 1879 from W.A., so his working time over there is likely to have been around that time, and perhaps a few years either side. The information I have indicates he was in Trenthan not long before his death and it is only now that I have found out about McLean & Briggs in W.A. and that sawmilling business, so wonder if he "transferred" to one owned by McL and Briggs. ##. I'll check earlier directories to see if they list Trentham in > their advertisements at an earlier date, if you want. ##I think such a large firm would be listed in one of the late 1880s > encyclopaedias I'll check if you need it? ## If so I'll check the Melbourne directories backwards > for you, if you want. Fantastic Ada, that would be a great help, we may find something that indicates when he moved to Prahran and hopefully something on Trentham. Much appreciated, as usual your knowledge is fantastic. regards Denise

Hello Denise, I'mnot sure about sawmils , but... At 21:41 01-09-05 +1000, Denise wrote: >A few months ago I asked about Saw mills/ers in the area around Trentham. > >I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge of the firm of McLean Bros & >Rigg who among other things operated a lumber business in Western >Australia and had other operations around the world. McLean Brothers & Rigg were a very early firm, by 1888 the managing directors were William and Oliver McLean,. In the very early days they were importers of ironware. In 1888 they advertised (with four business sites around Melbourne) as "Importers of ironware, metal merchants, wholesale and retail ironmongers, iron & wire merchants" Another McLean Brothers (no Rigg) operated as tanners and leather merchants, Lonsdale St Melb, with tanneries at Northcote and Longford in Gippsland. No mention of Trentham. Of course they used bark in the tanning process. I'll check earlier directories to see if they list Trentham in their advertisements at an earlier date, if you want I think such a large firm would be listed in one of the late 1880s encyclopaedias I'll check if you need it? >My subject was C. Dockendorff and he worked for this firm in WA. He is >also known to have lived in Trentham sometime during the 1880s until his >death 1887. There is a Christopher Dockendorff listed in 1888 at 27 Thomas St Prahran. Is this is your man? If so I'll check the Melbourne directories backwards for you, if you want. Regards, Ada >Hoping someone knows if McLean Bros & Rigg had a mill in the area. >regards >Denise > > >==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >Practice good internet genealogy - always be polite plus say 'thank you' > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/88 - Release Date: 01-09-05 regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/88 - Release Date: 01-09-05

A few months ago I asked about Saw mills/ers in the area around Trentham. I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge of the firm of McLean Bros & Rigg who among other things operated a lumber business in Western Australia and had other operations around the world. My subject was C. Dockendorff and he worked for this firm in WA. He is also known to have lived in Trentham sometime during the 1880s until his death 1887. Hoping someone knows if McLean Bros & Rigg had a mill in the area. regards Denise

I received this link from Lynn, thanks Lynn, http://www.foodthatkeeps.com/media/A_Dairy09.html At least I know it exists but not sure how they would have made it in the 1870's. Les -----Original Message----- From: Beryl O'Gorman [mailto:beryl@wordweavers.net] Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2005 5:34 PM To: LesPitt; AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Powdered Butter Hi Les They gave us powdered eggs at boarding school, but I've never heard of powdered butter. Hope anyone with information will post it to the List as we'll all be curious now. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "LesPitt" <lespitt@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: Powdered Butter > I have been working on a diary by Henry Parry a Welshman living at Mt > Franklin near Daylesford. In the diary he enters "powdered butter" in the -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005

Hi Les They gave us powdered eggs at boarding school, but I've never heard of powdered butter. Hope anyone with information will post it to the List as we'll all be curious now. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "LesPitt" <lespitt@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: Powdered Butter > I have been working on a diary by Henry Parry a Welshman living at Mt > Franklin near Daylesford. In the diary he enters "powdered butter" in the

Hello All, Spare Marriages in Maryborough 1883 John ROWLANDS - parents Joseph ROWLANDS (miner) and Ann GRIFFITHS Elizabeth WOODYAT - parents Robert George WOODYAT (engine driver) and Jane HALL George William JENNINGS - parents Daniel JENNINGS (miner) and Jane BURNS Emma JENKINS - parents John JENKINS (miner) and Sarah KEMP Isaac Barratt ROWE - parents Thomas ROWE (farmer) and Elizabeth BARRATT Mary Ann HEPBURN - parents John HEPBURN (miner) and Jane BURFIELD Can email pdf file if required. -- Best regards, Julie from Cairns mailto:tropikkal@mytown.net.au

Is there a Geoffrey Charles LOWE on the list researching the MOYLAN family if so can you contact me re same family research Pam

I have been working on a diary by Henry Parry a Welshman living at Mt Franklin near Daylesford. In the diary he enters "powdered butter" in the local show. I have found many references to powdered butter via Google but no directions about how it may have been made in 1874. One website said it had been "invented" in Australia in 1962. Any ideas? Regards Les Pitt

I'm trying to find more about the Hynes family. Altho my interest centres on Bendigo, I believe the name came from Ballarat. The first contact is when Michael James Hynes married Ellen Fox in 1898. He died in 1913, she in 1904. I believe they had 5 children in that short time - Mary, Joseph, Michael, Patrick and Martin. If anyone is researching this line, I'd welcome contact. Paul Blair Canberra

Hi Jeanette, Are you related to or been in contact with a Charles Atkinson from Canada? By chance only last week I was in touch with him, regarding the same John WARKMAN. If not, then email me off-list and I will pass on his details. I am not connected to this family, but my GG Grandfather William ELSDON also came out from Newcastle, Northumberland in the 1850's and was the Chief Engineer of the Melbourne & Hobsons Bay Railway from 1854-1878, and then Chief Engineer for Victorian Railways until 1882. I have found some information on my William ELSDON in the minutes of the Melbourne & Hobsons Bay Railway Co. held at the PRO in Nth Melbourne, including his date of appointment, salary, renewal of contract, and his occupation of a railway owned dwelling in Sandridge. However, be warned - they are thick, hand written volumes, take some time to go through, and the information on employees was not a lot! Regards, Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Heath" <dbheath@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: JOHN WARKMAN > Hello Listers > > I know this is a long shot, but does a John Warkman turn up on any of > the goldfields indexes that may be available? He arrived in Australia > in October 1852, presumably to go to the diggings. He was an engineer > by trade and came from Newcastle, Northumberland. He didn't marry until > 1867 so he wouldn't have left much in the way of records in those 15 > years which are unaccounted for. He married in Sandridge (Port > Melbourne) and was storekeeper then superintendant of locomotives for > the Melbourne and Hobson's Bay Railway until his death in 1873. Also, > has anyone any suggestions where I might find info for him? > > Jeanette Heath > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in > the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com >

Hello Listers I know this is a long shot, but does a John Warkman turn up on any of the goldfields indexes that may be available? He arrived in Australia in October 1852, presumably to go to the diggings. He was an engineer by trade and came from Newcastle, Northumberland. He didn't marry until 1867 so he wouldn't have left much in the way of records in those 15 years which are unaccounted for. He married in Sandridge (Port Melbourne) and was storekeeper then superintendant of locomotives for the Melbourne and Hobson's Bay Railway until his death in 1873. Also, has anyone any suggestions where I might find info for him? Jeanette Heath

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Is anyone researching this family? John McGINNIS b. c. 1831 Hobart m. Hannah HAYS/HAYES b. c. 1829 in Cork, Ireland at Adelaide in 1850. At some time after their marriage, John had changed his name from McGINNIS to HEYBURN (a later cert confirms this.) John and Johanna's (known) children: Thomas b. 1850 - 1852 d. 1850 - 1855 (can't find record of this one) James AYBURN b. 1853 at Bendigo (have BC) d. 1863 (have DC) Mary Ann HEPBURN b. 1855 at Californian Gully/Sandhurst (have BC) Ellen McGINNIS/HEYBURN b. 1859 at Eaglehawk (my g/mother)(can't find record of birth) Catherine Heyburn b. 1860 at Fletchers Creek d. 1863 at Fletchers Creek (have DC) John Heyburn (Jnr) b. 1862 d. 1862 at Fletchers Creek (Myers Flat) Many sad stories abound on the goldfields. It appears that little Catherine died in 1863 from 'congestion of the brain' at the same time 10year old James became ill. The poor young fella died alone 3 weeks later in hospital from 'scarletina' and 'dropsy'. No antibiotics in those days. I feel that John may be the brother of Eliza McGINNIS who married Christopher BURKE, the subject of my previous posting. Regards Julie from Cairns mailto:tropikkal@mytown.net.au

Hello All, Can anyone help me with this very fruitful couple? Eliza may be my g/g/aunt. Christopher BURKE b. Leitrum c. 1832 m. Eliza McGUINNESS/McGINNIS b. Hobart c. 1836 on 18 June 1854 at Bendigo. At the time of their marriage, Christopher was residing at Bendigo and Eliza's residence was previously ADELAIDE. Eliza(beth)'s parents were John McGINNIS and Ellen. Christopher's parents were John and Anna (Johanna?). Christopher and Eliza's children born between 1855 and 1879 mostly in the Marong area - Mary Ann BURKE Edmund BURKE John Matthew BURKE James Heyburn BURKE Eileen Marie BURKE Elizabeth BURKE Christopher BURKE Malachi BURKE Selina BURKE George Henry BURKE Francis Joseph BURKE Anne BURKE William BURKE John BURKE (phew!) Eliza McGINNIS was probably the sister to John McGINNIS also born Hobart - the subject of my next listing… Regards Julie from Cairns mailto:tropikkal@mytown.net.au

Hello Helen, Because you have copyphotos printed using pixels via a computer system (socalled Kodak copy) you will not be able to produce clear copy images from these in poster size as they will be from 600 or 300 pixels per inch.. If you want poster sizes you have two options: 1. From the ORIGINALS have a colour-slide copy made (if in colour) or a black and white copy negative made, from either of which you can get a poster-size print made, because the negative has very fine "grain" and can be enlarged. or 2. Use the ORIGINAL to have a poster-sized copy made. The equipment will make a master which will be 28,000 pixels per inch,( sometimes more) so the poster will be quite as clear as the original small print. Of course, all the above apply ONLY if the original is also crisp and clear. For example a box-Brownie camera lens could not produce such a crisp original, and an enlargement of a box brownie print would be more blurry as the size increased. Regards Ada At 23:39 28-08-05 +1000, Robert & Helen Kenney wrote: >Can any one assist me. I have copies of old photos which I have had copied >using the Kodak photo centre at the chemist. I want them to be taken to >poster size and the operator tells me that they can't take the photos any >bigger than 8x10 as they will lose definition. >Can anyone suggest where I can get them copied to a larger size and >roughly how much it will cost, as I am having them copied for the >Historical Society so costs are important. >TIA Helen > > >==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in >the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 29-08-05 regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 29-08-05

Hi Helen, Unfortunately it lookslike you need to access the original old photos. These can be scanned by a professional scanning company using hi-res drum scanning, which will pichk up greater resolution. Even then they will be grainy as the originals will not contain the same definition as photos taken today. I have a photo of my mother and grandmother which has been enlarged from an original old photo and it is quite sharp. The only other consideration is how large is your wallet. Hi-res scanning and reproduction is not inexpensive. Regards Tom -----Original Message----- From: Robert & Helen Kenney [mailto:kenney10@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 11:40 PM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Photos Can any one assist me. I have copies of old photos which I have had copied using the Kodak photo centre at the chemist. I want them to be taken to poster size and the operator tells me that they can't take the photos any bigger than 8x10 as they will lose definition. Can anyone suggest where I can get them copied to a larger size and roughly how much it will cost, as I am having them copied for the Historical Society so costs are important. TIA Helen ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Helen, Unfortunately no-one can create something out of "nothing" - if the operator says they will lose definition if bigger than 8x10 then anyone else is going to have exactly the same problem. Your problem appears to be that you have had digital copies done in the first place and obviously that means a limited number of pixels, hence the reason they can't be blown up to poster size. Your best option is to photograph the original (NOT digital unless you have an extremely high powered digital camera although even then that may not be sufficient). You then can get your poster print done from the negative. You are still likely to get a grainy result but not as bad as trying to blow up a digital image. Hope that makes sense. Regards ............ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Helen Kenney" <kenney10@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: Photos > Can any one assist me. I have copies of old photos which I have had copied > using the Kodak photo centre at the chemist. I want them to be taken to > poster size and the operator tells me that they can't take the photos any > bigger than 8x10 as they will lose definition. > Can anyone suggest where I can get them copied to a larger size and > roughly how much it will cost, as I am having them copied for the > Historical Society so costs are important. > TIA Helen > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in > the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com > >

Thanks Susie and others. Susie's suggestion looks like the best chance I have so my much neglected pentax can come out of moth balls. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susie Zada" <szada@zades.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Photos > Hi Helen, > > Unfortunately no-one can create something out of "nothing" - if the operator > says they will lose definition if bigger than 8x10 then anyone else is going > to have exactly the same problem. > > Your problem appears to be that you have had digital copies done in the > first place and obviously that means a limited number of pixels, hence the > reason they can't be blown up to poster size. > > Your best option is to photograph the original (NOT digital unless you have > an extremely high powered digital camera although even then that may not be > sufficient). You then can get your poster print done from the negative. > You are still likely to get a grainy result but not as bad as trying to blow > up a digital image. > > Hope that makes sense. > > Regards ............ Susie Z > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert & Helen Kenney" <kenney10@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 11:39 PM > Subject: Photos > > > > Can any one assist me. I have copies of old photos which I have had copied > > using the Kodak photo centre at the chemist. I want them to be taken to > > poster size and the operator tells me that they can't take the photos any > > bigger than 8x10 as they will lose definition. > > Can anyone suggest where I can get them copied to a larger size and > > roughly how much it will cost, as I am having them copied for the > > Historical Society so costs are important. > > TIA Helen > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in > > the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Victorian place names database > http://www.rootsweb.com/~auswgw/vic_place_names.htm > >

A few weeks back, there were comments and criticisms of the Bendigo Cemetery Trust web site, and the unfinished state of the information on it. It seems our pleas might have been noticed. Although progress has been slow, there has been a distinct improvement in information...but there is still quite some way to go. If BCT read this, thank you, and please keep it up! Paul Blair Canberra