Hi Marg We have been in contact in the past and as I recall we were not able to link our families together. Until now. However distant the link. Jim Hynes was my uncle (dec 1993). His brother William (Bill) is my father. I will be traveling with my father to Mitiamo on Wednesday next week to visit their brother John Sylvester (Syl). He has lived all his life there. He has mentioned Iris in the past. Their other remaining brother Bernard (Jock) resides in Eaglehawk and we will visit him also. While there I hope to get into the library and do some research. As for John and Mary, I wish they were the John and Mary I have been searching for without success. Maybe you have them in all the information you have collected over the years. My John also Married a Mary McMahon. They came to Australia in 1854 the shipping records had them both aged 48. John -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/114 - Release Date: 28/09/2005

Could SKS inform me as to which school in Ballarat my GGrandfather would have studied to be an accountant in the 1870's. I would appreciate any help, thanks Helen

Hi I would like to thank Linda, Cathie, Pamela and Carmel for their assistance. Hope I have not forgotten anyone. kerry

No record of Andrea's work in the GSV Library. The nearest I found is this entry: Maryborough & Dunolly advertiser - births, deaths and marriages [B, after 1954] 994.53005 WAT In: Wattle bark Mar but I don't think that is what you meant. Perhaps I have missed it?? Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family Mail Child Account" <seapatterson@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Dunolly | Do you all know that Andrea Johnson indexed all the Bet Bet Shire Expresses | about ten years ago? | I think there is a copy in the GSV library. | She found wonderful info for me about my ancestors. | Susan | | | | ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== | Threaded archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields |

Sounds as thoughI have misled you all. She certainly indexed the papers.. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "trevor" <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Dunolly > No record of Andrea's work in the GSV Library. The nearest I found is this > entry: > > Maryborough & Dunolly advertiser - births, deaths and marriages [B, after > 1954] 994.53005 WAT In: Wattle bark Mar > > but I don't think that is what you meant. Perhaps I have missed it?? > > Trevor > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Family Mail Child Account" <seapatterson@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:00 PM > Subject: Dunolly > > > | Do you all know that Andrea Johnson indexed all the Bet Bet Shire > Expresses > | about ten years ago? > | I think there is a copy in the GSV library. > | She found wonderful info for me about my ancestors. > | Susan > | > | > | > | ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > | Threaded archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields > | >

Second instalment of the "Dunolly and Betbetshire Express" report of testimony to the Royal Commission follows. I will be away in Echuca over the weekend so the third instalment will be posted when I get home: Trevor Williams 14 October 2005 _______________________________________________________________________________-- Mr R. Ritchie, J.P., gave evidence as follows: - That in prospecting for quartz he would recommend surface prospecting, trenching, and subsidising mining companies for deep prospecting, and for alluvial sinking and driving, and assisting companies endeavouring to trace lost leads. That the Prospecting Vote should be increased and made permanent, that the local prospecting boards should have a definite amount for their respective mining districts, and that they be held responsible for its judicious distribution without reference to the Minister; and as a rule on the principle of £ for £, the whole to be refunded on success, thus creating an increasing fund for prospecting. That our mining statute laws should be consolidated, but he thought it inadvisable and impracticable for the district's bye-laws to be consolidated, as circumstances in different districts varied so much. He considered it impossible to fix a hard and fast law as to the area to be held under lease without detriment to mining, as circumstances and difficulties in developing mining varied so much. In alluvial where machinery was required small areas would be no use, nor indeed would capital be got to touch it. To give security to foreign investors for putting their capital into Victorian mines there should be an absolute immunity from jumping; the rent for leases on Crown Lands should be reduced to 2s 6d per acre, and water right licenses [sic] should where in conjunction with leases be, instead of annual, concurrent with the leases. That mining leases should be forfeited on prolonged default in carrying out the covenants, and final decision as to forfeitures remain in the discretion of the Minister as at present. It has been suggested that the forfeiture of leases be transferred to the Warden, but if that were done it would open the door to jumping, and do away with the security of leasehold, and consequently drive away capital from the development of mining. It was in a depressed state now from want of capital and that would strike at the foundation of all confidence. He considered the administration of the Mining on Private Property Act and the procedure under it should be simplified, and the consequential damages assessed and made payable in a progressive form, and full and liberal compensation be paid the owners before entry for all lands taken for mining on; and as recommended by the Mining Board for the protection of holders of miners' rights, prior to entering into an agreement with the owner, as provided for in the 51st section of the act, subject to the bye-laws of the district, giving them power to enter into agreements, the applicants shall lodge a notice in writing with the Warden and deliver a copy thereof to the owner, setting forth the locality, description, and extent of land applied for, and such notice duly served will give then the prior right to the area until the agreement is approved of by the Warden and duly registered, or the application abandoned. Should the owner and applicants be unable to agree on the amount of compensation to be paid for the damage to the land, the Warden shall assess the same in the manner provided for in the sections of the Act referring to gold mining leases. He considered it absolutely necessary and advisable that Mining Boards should be continued as the only medium by which the voice of those engaged in mining could be heard, and generally for the protection of the mining interests; and to enable them to be more efficient their powers should be extended. It would be perfectly impracticable to make any hard and fast rule or law bearing in the tribute system, as circumstances so widely varied, and the whole principle and basis of it must be under mutual arrangement. He pointed out the great difficulties under which mining had to be carried on in consequence of the prohibition placed by the Lands Department on obtaining the requisite sizes of timber, particularly for alluvial underground purposes, and showed the Commission samples of the various sizes that must be had if the Lands Department permitted mining to be carried on, and that more than three-fourths of the timber required for underground uses, being from ten inches and under, the regulations prohibiting timber of less sizes than 14 inches at the butt being cut, consequently if sufficient (which was impossible) could not be obtained from private property there were but two alternatives, stop mining or get the timber clandestinely and illegally from Crown Lands, demoralising the getters who have virtually to go in the dead of the night to get timber from the bush which they must supply, and without which certain classes of mining cannot exist. Those connected with certain phases of mining have given expression both long and loud as to the absurdity of the Lands Department professing to conserve the timber of the sizes that can be used for that purpose from being obtained, and when by their permission the sizes allowed to be cut are of no practical use for general mining underground purposes; and he urged on the Commission the necessity of provision being made for obtaining the sizes of timber required for underground mining without legal restrictions, or the obtaining of it in a clandestine manner, to enable a legitimate industry to be carried on. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Third instalment will be posted after the weekend. Going to Echuca for a reunion! Trevor

Hello Kerry, This would explain why Christopher BURKE was a Mounted Policeman in 1854 (MC) and a Slaughterhouse Inspector in 1855 (daughter's BC) So it wasn't the vast change in occupation that I imagined. Looks like he 'rustled' up a promotion in a hurry. Friday, October 14, 2005, 4:31:20 PM, you wrote: KH> Hi Julie, KH> I am reading a book about Hartley NSW, and in the book it KH> says "the Chief Constable, was appointed inspector of slaughter KH> houses for the district. This appointment was made at the instance KH> of the Police Magistrate, not to assure a wholesome meat supply, KH> but in order to check the slaughter of stolen cattle!" KH> That may explain the occupation of Christopher BURKE, KH> regards KH> Kerry -- Best regards, Julie mailto:tropikkal@mytown.net.au

Hello Les, Yes I collect all mining accidents in Victoria, so it looks like you will be on my database, hope you don't mind. Send me more details if you wish to devans@ncable.net.au Dave in Ballarat At 06:03 PM 14/10/2005, Les Pitt wrote: >This may be of interest to Dave Evans who I believe specialises in mining >accidents. However this one happened last tuesday as I walked across the >mullock heap of the New WOmbat Hill mine in Daylesford. To cut a long story >short I slipped and ended up in Ballarat Hospital with a broken ankle. >Very interesting history to the mine as the land was taken up under the >noses of the local miners by an American upstart from Ballarat by the name >of James Herbert McGill better known as the leader of the Revolver Brigade >at the Eureka Stockade. >Somewhat off topic but irresistible. > >Regards >Sore and sorry Les Pitt > > >==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >Victorian place names database >http://www.rootsweb.com/~auswgw/vic_place_names.htm

Hi Julie, I am reading a book about Hartley NSW, and in the book it says "the Chief Constable, was appointed inspector of slaughter houses for the district. This appointment was made at the instance of the Police Magistrate, not to assure a wholesome meat supply, but in order to check the slaughter of stolen cattle!" That may explain the occupation of Christopher BURKE, regards Kerry

Hi Julie, I am reading a book about Hartley NSW, and in the book it says "the Chief Constable, was appointed inspector of slaughter houses for the district. This appointment was made at the instance of the Police Magistrate, not to assure a wholesome meat supply, but in order to check the slaughter of stolen cattle!" That may explain the occupation of Christopher BURKE, regards Kerry

This may be of interest to Dave Evans who I believe specialises in mining accidents. However this one happened last tuesday as I walked across the mullock heap of the New WOmbat Hill mine in Daylesford. To cut a long story short I slipped and ended up in Ballarat Hospital with a broken ankle. Very interesting history to the mine as the land was taken up under the noses of the local miners by an American upstart from Ballarat by the name of James Herbert McGill better known as the leader of the Revolver Brigade at the Eureka Stockade. Somewhat off topic but irresistible. Regards Sore and sorry Les Pitt

Hi Julie, I am reading a book about Hartley NSW, and in the book it says "the Chief Constable, was appointed inspector of slaughter houses for the district. This appointment was made at the instance of the Police Magistrate, not to assure a wholesome meat supply, but in order to check the slaughter of stolen cattle!" That may explain the occupation of Christopher BURKE, regards Kerry

Alvena There is a John Cotter d father James, mother Margaret (no maiden name) aged 53 b Limerick Ireland. d 1879. Reg no. 11201 Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: <arflello@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: COTTER'S > > Hi to everyone, I would be very grateful to any one who can give me any > info about my COTTER'S. I have a John Patrick COTTER B Limerick, Ireland > 1826 & A Garett COTTER B 1830 Limerick? Ireland D 1879 @ 49in Ballarat. > There should be another brother? who was meant to have come out from > Ireland with them. Their parents were James & Margaret ENRIGHT. John P > lived in Geelong 1859 to 1862 & Ballarat with his wife Ellen RYAN. They > had 14 children though 6 of them died as infants/children. Thomas Ryan B > 1859 moved to N.S.W, was a constable, M Elizabeth FAGEN/FEGAN, Maria/Mary > B1860 M Michael QUINN, Eliza B 1861 D 1861, Margaret B 1862 M William > Thomas ELLIOT, Michael James B 1863, Elizabeth B 1856, Edmond B 1866, > Ellen B 1867 D 1867, Honora Ellen B 1869 D 1876, Richard John B 1870 D > 1872, John Patrick B 1872, M Margaret KELSO 1900, then M Jessie Mary Price > 1902 in W.A. Richard B 1874 D 1876, William B 1875, and Catherine B 1876 D > 1878. We are related to Dan COTTER M.P. in Mel! > bourne during WW2. Any help will be gratefully accepted, thank you, > Alvena COTTER > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb and help it support genealogy > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Marie Granville is in around Sydney area. Grenville Shire is around Ballarat and is now mostly part of Golden plains Shire. It took in Linton, Smythesdale, Ross Creek, Haddon, and areas of the now Woady Yallock Historical Society. Hope this helps. Can you give us some dates for James Wilmot. there is a James d age 45 b. England in 1855 parents unknown. does not list place of death. Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Cooper" <minbalup@ihug.co.nz> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 5:32 AM Subject: Granville >I thought the above area was in and around Bungaree - Daylesford area..... > Could anyone on the list tell me please. > > I am looking for a death of James Wilmot and finding him very hard to > find. > > Cheers > Marie > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the > living. > >

Hi to everyone, I would be very grateful to any one who can give me any info about my COTTER'S. I have a John Patrick COTTER B Limerick, Ireland 1826 & A Garett COTTER B 1830 Limerick? Ireland D 1879 @ 49in Ballarat. There should be another brother? who was meant to have come out from Ireland with them. Their parents were James & Margaret ENRIGHT. John P lived in Geelong 1859 to 1862 & Ballarat with his wife Ellen RYAN. They had 14 children though 6 of them died as infants/children. Thomas Ryan B 1859 moved to N.S.W, was a constable, M Elizabeth FAGEN/FEGAN, Maria/Mary B1860 M Michael QUINN, Eliza B 1861 D 1861, Margaret B 1862 M William Thomas ELLIOT, Michael James B 1863, Elizabeth B 1856, Edmond B 1866, Ellen B 1867 D 1867, Honora Ellen B 1869 D 1876, Richard John B 1870 D 1872, John Patrick B 1872, M Margaret KELSO 1900, then M Jessie Mary Price 1902 in W.A. Richard B 1874 D 1876, William B 1875, and Catherine B 1876 D 1878. We are related to Dan COTTER M.P. in Mel! bourne during WW2. Any help will be gratefully accepted, thank you, Alvena COTTER

Do you all know that Andrea Johnson indexed all the Bet Bet Shire Expresses about ten years ago? I think there is a copy in the GSV library. She found wonderful info for me about my ancestors. Susan

Having left Tarnagulla on the 1pm train for Dunolly, the Royal Commissioners did well to hear as much as they did (as evident in the following report) when they got to Dunolly. There would not have been much of the day left, after settling in, and going through the preliminaries. Even so, as the report indicates, several witnesses had to be asked to submit their testimony in writing and forwarded to the Commission. As will be seen, the witnesses in Dunolly addressed the same issues as those in Tarnagulla. However, the 'Express' account gives a wonderful description of how the Queen's Birthday (in particular) and other mines were established, operated, extended and profited. Some interesting points in the history of the Queen's Birthday mine are fascinating reading. I also valued the detailed description of how a 48 head stamper operated with copper plates and mercury. This description will follow in a later instalment. The first instalment follows. It is the longest, so settle in for a good read! The witnesses are Mt T. Barnett and Mr W.H. Hansford. Trevor Williams 13 October 2005 __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ From the "Dunolly and Betbetshire Express", Friday March 21, 1890 THE GOLD-MINING COMMISSION IN DUNOLLY On Friday afternoon the Gold-Mining Commission sat in the Court House, under the presidency of the Hon. J. Bell, Minister of Defence, to take evidence on mining, and the best means to bring about an improvement and development of the industry. There was a large number of gentlemen connected with mining present, but the whole of the evidence could not be taken, and those who had been requested to attend, but who did not get an opportunity to give any evidence, were requested to furnish it in writing. The Chairman made exhaustive enquiries of the witnesses. Mr T. Barnett stated he had been connected with mining for 35 years in the district. He referred to the well-known Queen's Birthday reef, with the gold that had been obtained there, the features of the locality and other matters connected therewith, and the probability of good payable gold. He referred also to the operations of the North Birthday and the difficulties with the water. The Burnt Creek also he spoke of, and the auriferous nature of the land around Dunolly right on to Moliagul. The district was noted for its nuggets, and the famous "Welcome" nugget had been found at Moliagul in shallow ground, but little had been done in working these auriferous areas and the reefs, although one reef at Moliagul had given about 60oz to the ton. An immense area in the district had never been worked. The Government should subsidise for deep sinking. The prospecting parties had not had very good results. He did not think the present system of distributing the prospecting vote was desirable. Mining experts should be appointed and money should be granted in sufficient amount to thoroughly test a locality, but under strict supervision. He considered the mining boards should be abolished, as they were not doing useful work. A Central Board, with a different system of election, would be preferable, the Geological Surveyor and Secretary of Mines to be Government nominees. The timber for mines was 25 per cent more than some years ago, as it was being sent to other places. There was a waste of timber, but small timber should be allowed to be utilised for mining, under Government supervision. He would support a system of thinning. He would recommend land which was worked out being taken up in small areas for the cultivation of vines, &c. It was folly to leave ground if it could be utilised for the purposes of cultivation without injury to mining, and permission could be provided for the miner to go in. Some compensation should be given for improvements, which the Government should pay. Mr W.T. Hansford, J.P., Manager of the Queen's Birthday Company, Dunolly, gave the following evidence: - The discovery of the Queen's Birthday line of lode in 1867 was quite accidental - an old shaft sunk about 20 feet was utilised by Captain Baker to draw water from as a supply for a puddling machine. When the water ran out it was resolved to sink it a few feet deeper for a better supply - when quartz was struck, which showed excellent gold; this being followed developed into the splendid line of lode than known as the Goldsborough. The Goldsborough Company was formed and in a very short time distributed £20,950 sterling to the shareholders. The North Birthday Company formed to work a lease north also obtained some excellent returns. The Queen's Birthday Company was also formed to work a lease south adjoining, and after a very hard struggle gold was struck at the 300 feet level in a splendid lode which averaged then 5 feet wide with well defined walls, giving it the appearance of a main artery of quartz dividing the country. The yields were splendid, and in about three years 4 ½ tons of gold was obtained between the 300 and 600 feet levels. The amount of capital called up on each share was 22s 6d, and for which dividends were returned amounting to £34 13s 6d, or in a lump sum nearly a quarter of a million profits. Cross cutting. - The following will show the importance of cross cutting. The company purchased an adjoining lease with shaft sunk in it to about 300 feet for £232, a cross drive had been put in some 20 feet by the lease holders and then abandoned, which upon being extended a few feet by the Queen's Birthday the reef was struck which in a short time returned over £60,000 worth of gold. The gold in the Queen's Birthday Company continued down to the 600 feet level when suddenly the country was found to be greatly broken up, the lode continuing down but disturbed. No doubt but that excellent gold will continue to be found north and south, but in the opinion of mining experts it will be necessary to sink through the broken country to catch the 2nd formation before the lode underfoot can be expected to make again in its original form and richness. The bearings of the lode is 49 [?indistinct] degrees west of north-east of south. The average width of lode is about seven feet. The country is slate and sandstone, good standing ground. The water is mineralised and makes at the present depth of 850 feet 50 gallons a minute. Prospecting Vote. - My opinion in regard to the Prospecting Vote is that it might be much more an excellent aid to mining and the cause of new discoveries if instead of giving out a good many small sums to a great number of companies the amount voted was distributed amongst a few companies in the sundry districts, each on some celebrated line of lode or lead, that the probability of successful result would be greatly increased. The smaller amounts, say of from £150 to £300 would be useful if given to small parties of men to prospect entirely new ground where the expense of sinking would not be great as the discoveries would principally be surface discoveries that would lead to better things. Reserve Funds. - I have very strong views and feelings on this subject. I have not yet seen that it has been touched upon in the evidence given before the Commission, viz., that as the Legislature in the sundry Mining Acts have passed laws affecting almost every stage in mining, that if it is not considered as too much interfering with the liberty of the subject it would be a most beneficial thing for the colony if companies on payable gold were compelled by statute to pass to a reserve fund, say 10 per cent. of their profits; when the mine was considered worked out then in such case it could be divided amongst the share holders, and in other case when yields fell off and became non-paying, as they surely do at some period or other, then with such compulsory reserve, said funds would be available to sink or drive through broken country, and thus enable the company to get on to gold again. It would assuredly give solidity to mining and to a large extent save the great scramble after the Government Prospecting vote. I am impressed with this idea as I know too well the views of some directors when on payable stone that it is sure to last, and hence there is no provision made for the evil day, and the certain consequence follows, that many valuable properties are lost and the mining community suffers simply from the want of the necessary provision I advocate. Mining Boards - I do not think they have outlived their usefulness. As guardians of the auriferous areas they serve a good purpose, and act as a counterfoil to the earth hunger which animates so many. I believe their powers might be enlarged. I have never been able to know the reasons for the outcry . [damaged and unreadable]. One central board might be substituted . [damaged and unreadable] . with the same limited powers. I certainly do think that the Mining Department has ably discharged its functions amd with efficiency. Legislation on Mining Laws. - I am of opinion that the lamentable declension of mining is partly due to the uncertain title by which mining leases are held. Capitalists, if a good mine is opened up, are in dread of the jumper. I know we were threatened several times in the Queen's Birthday. Many an anxious hour it has cost me. Jumpers generally being men who have nothing to lose, but would lead any company into costly litigation and bring ruin in its train. In fact the Goldsborough was actually jumped and in litigation for, I think, nearly two years, and seriously injured the company. I would therefore advise better security of tenure with the view of protecting investors. Mining is also seriously affected by the severity of the Mining enactments which surround the industry on every side, making the capitalist afraid to risk investment in it. Mining is also handicapped by means of the tariff, which presses heavily on it, and for a revival I sincerely believe these matters require earnest looking into, and I, with the rest of the mining men, feel glad that the Royal Commission have it in hand. Metallurgical works and laboratory I am strongly in favour of and think it necessary that the State should offer some large bonus for the establishment of works where refractory ores could be treated on a large scale on commercial principles, an establishment capable of dealing with ores of all characters similar to the works in Germany. Worked out shallow diggings. - I think that worked out shallow and abandoned diggings should be thrown open for selection. It would tend to settle the mining population. I would suggest in areas not exceeding 4 acres, to be held under lease at a moderate rental, one acre to be cultivated or planted each year, and power of re-entry for mining on being paid fair compensation for surface damage. _______________________________________________________ Instalment two will follow tomorrow. tjw

I second Dave's motion! the older of the tworobbos at Bairnsdale, gateway to the lakes, rivers and forests of East Gippsland

Many thanks, Trevor, for your great work. I will be very interested in your "Express" proposal. Mike Dobson Researching: Dobson, Dwyer, Lynch, Dettman, McMorran and Prendergast

Thank you to all who answered about the Goodisson's. I did find the IGI record for Burbank I wondered it is BURNBANK isn't it?? Yes, the Thomas Goodisson publican of the the Nag's Head Hotel is the one I am tracing. Is Carisbrook on this list?? Cheers, Polly