Thanks, I was just going on what I was sent. Thanks Jane for putting me straight. Will get onto it Janis

You won't find him in the Victorian indices, because this happened in NSW! If you look at the article, it is headlined "SYDNEY" and he is a farmer in the "GALONG" not Geelong district. Jane Quoting Peter Thomas <pmthomas@bigpond.com>: > > I checked the Victorian Probates index 1920-39, under both O'NEIL & > O'NEILL. I looked for "Jack", and considering the possibility that > Jack > might be a diminutive for something else, I checked again by date of > death (a very well-presented index is the Vic Probates). > > Next: I'd be checking the paper over the next few weeks for a > retraction. > > > Peter THOMAS > Darwin, AUSTRALIA > <pmthomas@bigpond.com> > > From: Janis [mailto:janisdon1@westnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 6:27 PM > To: 'Peter Thomas'; AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Killed in Sulky accident > > > I have contacted BDM and they have tried the different variations and > it > is not there.......Very strange. There is no inquest either round > about > that time. They suggest I have a look at the papers but as I am in > the > NW of WA it is impossible, this is why I rely on good people like > yourself. > Thanks anyway for your trouble > Janis > in bloody hot South hedland > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Thomas [mailto:pmthomas@bigpond.com] > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 4:02 PM > To: 'Janis '; 'AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com' > Subject: Killed in Sulky accident > > > > There is an index of Coronial Inquests for Victoria. If this event > is > recorded there, then you can access the inquest papers. These often > contain a few clues about family relationships. > > And/or: farmers own land; which means that there is tidying up to > do > when they die. The Victorian probate Indices are available. These > will > lead to a will or other papers. > > It is not unknown, but unusual for a 20th century death not to be in > the > BDM indices. I would look again, using spellng variations. > > > Peter THOMAS > Darwin, AUSTRALIA > <pmthomas@bigpond.com> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janis [mailto:janisdon1@westnet.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 9:17 PM > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: FW: [A.G.R. ] Relationship O'Neil-Hamilton > > ... Also I have been trying to find five O'Neils who have > disappeared > off the face of the earth, one possibility is;- > > Ballarat Courier Mon 7th May 1923 > > Killed in Sulky accident > > Jack O'Neill, a farmer in the Geelong district was killed last night > in > an accident to his sulky on Burrowa Road. He is the third member of > the > family who has met death in this manner. (John O'NEIL was born7,8 > on > 16 Aug 1861 in Buningyong, Victoria.) This is possibly him, as his > uncle and nephew both died in accidents but I cannot find his death > in > BDM. > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > TIA > > Janis > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Victorian place names database > http://www.rootsweb.com/~auswgw/vic_place_names.htm > > > ----- End forwarded message -----

Does anyone know of a similar militia the Echuca Volunteers? When a relative enlisted for WW1 he gave that regiment as his previous service. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Prince" <tp250277@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:56 PM Subject: Re: Seeking information about milita in goldfield > Perhaps they were Victorian Rangers or Victorian Mounted Riflemen...? > see > http://users.netconnect.com.au/~ianmac/rangers.html >

I am researching Williams - Sebastopol Hill, Ballarat, Four Mile Flat, Maryborough and Alma, Maryborough. Roberts - Alma, Maryborough. Both families originated in North Wales, Caernarvonshire, and emigrated 1850's/1860's. The wives of the family were sisters.

I checked the Victorian Probates index 1920-39, under both O'NEIL & O'NEILL. I looked for "Jack", and considering the possibility that Jack might be a diminutive for something else, I checked again by date of death (a very well-presented index is the Vic Probates). Next: I'd be checking the paper over the next few weeks for a retraction. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> From: Janis [mailto:janisdon1@westnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 6:27 PM To: 'Peter Thomas'; AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Killed in Sulky accident I have contacted BDM and they have tried the different variations and it is not there.......Very strange. There is no inquest either round about that time. They suggest I have a look at the papers but as I am in the NW of WA it is impossible, this is why I rely on good people like yourself. Thanks anyway for your trouble Janis in bloody hot South hedland -----Original Message----- From: Peter Thomas [mailto:pmthomas@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 4:02 PM To: 'Janis '; 'AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: Killed in Sulky accident There is an index of Coronial Inquests for Victoria. If this event is recorded there, then you can access the inquest papers. These often contain a few clues about family relationships. And/or: farmers own land; which means that there is tidying up to do when they die. The Victorian probate Indices are available. These will lead to a will or other papers. It is not unknown, but unusual for a 20th century death not to be in the BDM indices. I would look again, using spellng variations. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Janis [mailto:janisdon1@westnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 9:17 PM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: FW: [A.G.R. ] Relationship O'Neil-Hamilton ... Also I have been trying to find five O'Neils who have disappeared off the face of the earth, one possibility is;- Ballarat Courier Mon 7th May 1923 Killed in Sulky accident Jack O'Neill, a farmer in the Geelong district was killed last night in an accident to his sulky on Burrowa Road. He is the third member of the family who has met death in this manner. (John O'NEIL was born7,8 on 16 Aug 1861 in Buningyong, Victoria.) This is possibly him, as his uncle and nephew both died in accidents but I cannot find his death in BDM. Does anyone have any ideas? TIA Janis ______________________________

Thanks for that Peter. Thought it was a winner as his uncle and nephew had both been killed in sulky accidents and it did say that he was the 3rd. Regards Janis

Perhaps they were Victorian Rangers or Victorian Mounted Riflemen...? see http://users.netconnect.com.au/~ianmac/rangers.html > Wondering if anyone knows about militia units which may have existed in > the goldfields (Bendigo region) in the late 19thC or early 20thC. > I have an old photo of a group of men, including my grandfather, all in > what appears to be a cavalry uniform. One of the men has sergeant's > stripes and another has corporal's stripes. The group is standing in > front of a tent. Someone has hand written on the front of the tent the > words "First Prize Tent". There are horses in the background. > Grateful for any clues. > > Norma

Dear Listers Wondering if anyone knows about militia units which may have existed in the goldfields (Bendigo region) in the late 19thC or early 20thC. I have an old photo of a group of men, including my grandfather, all in what appears to be a cavalry uniform. One of the men has sergeant's stripes and another has corporal's stripes. The group is standing in front of a tent. Someone has hand written on the front of the tent the words "First Prize Tent". There are horses in the background. Grateful for any clues. Norma Researching BETTS, DOWER, TIPPETT in the goldfields

"Wondering if anyone knows about militia units which may have existed in the goldfields (Bendigo region) in the late 19thC or early 20thC." Hi Norma :) I may be way off base here, but since no one else has replied yet, I'll jump in anyway at the risk of foot in mouth disease! ;D I vaguely remember my ex-husband having to head up to Bendigo from Melbourne with Prince of Wales Lighthorse Brigade. From memory they had a branch up there, but I could be remembering wrong. Might be worth looking into. Otherwise, the only place I can think of which MAY have information is the War Memorial site, their military history section to be precise ... http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/conflict.htm Take care, Rob.

Would a very kind person look up on the Digger - Pioneer Index, Victoria 1836-1888 and see if there are any entries for Solomon VICTOR and Frank VICTOR. Period of interest is 1860-1870 Many thanks Murray Victor Christchurch New Zealand

Murray, sorry to disappoint you but no records for either of these gents in the colony of Victoria. Regards Les Pitt -----Original Message----- From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz [mailto:mavlin@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2005 8:24 AM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: LOOK UP PLEASE! Would a very kind person look up on the Digger - Pioneer Index, Victoria 1836-1888 and see if there are any entries for Solomon VICTOR and Frank VICTOR. Period of interest is 1860-1870 Many thanks Murray Victor Christchurch New Zealand ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 20/11/2005

Peter, Thank you for this link. I have just got around to looking at it, and have already discovered new leads to follow up. It is a very good resource. Thank you Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Matthews" <dryandra1@netspeed.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Gazeteer of Central Victorian Goldfields newspapers 1851-1901 | There is a useful publication on the Internet about the early Central | Victoria Goldfields newspapers at: | | http://www.csu.edu.au/research/jcentre/reports/report198.pdf | | There is a list by town which is very convenient plus a useful map. | | Be warned, old newspapers are a great resource but can lead to square | eyes from endless staring at microfilm in libraries! | | | | | ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== | Victorian place names database | http://www.rootsweb.com/~auswgw/vic_place_names.htm |

Peter When I first started looking this up I contacted the Labour Party in Sydney and they referred me to Melbourne. Their historian was not able to help me, but offered to place a notice in their magazine, but nothing ever came of it. The December did not agree with the second conference of the party itself. Thanks for your suggestion though. I am open to any ideas. Regards Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thomas" <pmthomas@bigpond.com> To: "'margaret trewick'" <margaretwh@dodo.com.au>; <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: DELEGATES TO 2ND ANNUAL CONFERENCE MELBOURNE DECEMBER.... > > There are plenty of historians of the labour movement. I'd suggest that > you get in touch with Trades Hall, Melbourne. You might quickly find > someone with relevant expertise. > > Peter THOMAS > Darwin, AUSTRALIA > <pmthomas@bigpond.com> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: margaret trewick [mailto:margaretwh@dodo.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 9:39 AM > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: DELEGATES TO 2ND ANNUAL CONFERENCE MELBOURNE DECEMBER.... > > > I have a very damaged photo cut from a newspaper with the above > heading. The photo is of at least 12 or more men all bar one of them > wearing 3 piece suits . The man second from the left in the back row is > my grandfather, but as the article is so badly damaged I have no other > information. His name is JAMES RAE and he lived in Ballarat. On the > reverse of this scrap it talks about the rules of the Victorian Branch > of the United Labourers Union. Perhaps it was a Union conference he > attended in Melbourne? Would anyone know about this event, or have a > photo of their family member attending as well? Thanks everyone. > Margaret > > >

I have contacted BDM and they have tried the different variations and it is not there.......Very strange. There is no inquest either round about that time. They suggest I have a look at the papers but as I am in the NW of WA it is impossible, this is why I rely on good people like yourself. Thanks anyway for your trouble Janis in bloody hot South hedland

There is an index of Coronial Inquests for Victoria. If this event is recorded there, then you can access the inquest papers. These often contain a few clues about family relationships. And/or: farmers own land; which means that there is tidying up to do when they die. The Victorian probate Indices are available. These will lead to a will or other papers. It is not unknown, but unusual for a 20th century death not to be in the BDM indices. I would look again, using spellng variations. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Janis [mailto:janisdon1@westnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 9:17 PM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: FW: [A.G.R. ] Relationship O'Neil-Hamilton ... Also I have been trying to find five O'Neils who have disappeared off the face of the earth, one possibility is;- Ballarat Courier Mon 7th May 1923 Killed in Sulky accident Jack O'Neill, a farmer in the Geelong district was killed last night in an accident to his sulky on Burrowa Road. He is the third member of the family who has met death in this manner. (John O'NEIL was born7,8 on 16 Aug 1861 in Buningyong, Victoria.) This is possibly him, as his uncle and nephew both died in accidents but I cannot find his death in BDM. Does anyone have any ideas? TIA Janis ______________________________

There are plenty of historians of the labour movement. I'd suggest that you get in touch with Trades Hall, Melbourne. You might quickly find someone with relevant expertise. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: margaret trewick [mailto:margaretwh@dodo.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 9:39 AM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: DELEGATES TO 2ND ANNUAL CONFERENCE MELBOURNE DECEMBER.... I have a very damaged photo cut from a newspaper with the above heading. The photo is of at least 12 or more men all bar one of them wearing 3 piece suits . The man second from the left in the back row is my grandfather, but as the article is so badly damaged I have no other information. His name is JAMES RAE and he lived in Ballarat. On the reverse of this scrap it talks about the rules of the Victorian Branch of the United Labourers Union. Perhaps it was a Union conference he attended in Melbourne? Would anyone know about this event, or have a photo of their family member attending as well? Thanks everyone. Margaret

The certificate 18361 is actually a birth registration, I can find no record of a marriage. Regards Les Pitt Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Query ----- Reg Number : 18361 (31 matches) Total matching records: 31 -------------------- Surname: DUNLOP Given Names: Alexander Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Sarah HEALEY Age: Sex: Birth Place: MT DORAN Death Place: Year: 1868 Reg Number: 18361 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: -----Original Message----- From: Robert Player [mailto:player6@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 7:53 AM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Digger's Index - Mariage Lookup Hello List, I have been looking for a marriage between John DUNLOP and Sarah HEALY in either 1858 or 1868 (the date is recorded on a child's birth cert and is difficult to read). I've been through the records for Vic at the NSW State Library and have also checked Vic BDMs online. The Port Phillip Pioneers Group told me that they located a marriage cert # 18361 but I've never been able to locate it. Would this possibly be a registration number fromthe Digger's Index and if so is there anyone who could look it up for me? Kind regards Maureen ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== Victorian place names database http://www.rootsweb.com/~auswgw/vic_place_names.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 20/11/2005

John Dunlop is well remembered in Ballarat as a discoverer of gold ! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-D Digest V05 #307

Hello List, A big THANK YOU to everyone who replied to my query about John DUNLOP and Sarah HEALY. I was really amazed by the response and all so quick! John Dunlop arrived with the Henty brothers at some point, I'm not sure when. He had been a soldier who reportedly fought at the Battle of Waterloo. He discovered gold at Poverty Point and was also present at the Eureka Stockade. Apparently he went to London to make a petition on behalf of Peter Lalor and met Sarah Healy on the return journey. She arrived on board the ECHUNGA in 1856, a young Irish girl from Wicklow, reportedly pregnant and disowned by her family. As John Dunlop was about 79 at this point, she must have had very limited options, either that or he was aging well as they went on to have at least four children. Dunlop had been married at least three times before and died at the age of 96 after falling from a horse. I was hoping to find a marriage in order to find out a little more about Sarah Healy's origins but it is definitely possible that they didn't marry as I had heard that John Dunlop had sometimes 'neglected' to divorce before remarrying. Sarah Healy however was a devout Catholic so I thought she may have pushed for marriage! I am descended from their daughter Mary Ann born 1858 in Steiglitz but never found a birth certificate for her either. Thank you all again, I really appreciate your time and efforts. Kind regards Maureen

Sorry Maureen I forgot to add that the registration number you gave is a birth record for an Alexander DUNLOP, born Mt Doran in 1868 - father John Dunlop and mother Sarah Healey. Seems to be the correct parents. Larraine