In NSW if you amend a certificate there is another charge if you want a new certificate. After all, it is not the department who has made the mistake. It was the informant. Also I have found here that old BDM's often have 2 if not 3 registration numbers. I have been told that one is for the Parish registration, another for the county, and the third for another area division as well.By using the first(parish) number in very old certificates, it is possible to actually locate which church the registration took place in.So it seemed the proper way to register an event was to do so in all these areas. Don't know if Victoria is the same. Margaret

Hi Tony, Try the Woady Yaloak Historical Society at wyhs@netconnect.com.au or write to them C/O Post Office Smythesdale Victoria Dave in Ballarat At 06:02 PM 30/11/2005, Tony O'Grady wrote: >Does anyone know where I could find any information or photos of the >Southward&Sumpton grocer and wine and spirits stores at Scarsdale or >Booloorook? > >The business began in Ballarat in the mid 1850s and later opened >branches at Clunes, Scarsdale and Booloorook. and was eventually >dissolved in 1874. > >Tony O'Grady >Melbourne. > > >==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >Do NOT send virus warnings <- considered off-topic.

On this topic - my mother died recently and had provided all the info for her death cert some years before. She was born in Kent, England - and so stated. When we get to "Years in Australia" she must have said "All my life": and so her death cert said - with my name listed as informant. I went in last week to amend it - she came here aged 4. No problems, very efficient, and I got the amended cert today. I don't have a copy of the old version - would the number have changed? The one with me now has 5 numerals, slash 2005, and the letter C after a space. Does anyone on the list know? Thanks Dawn PS for the cynics - I did not have to pay for the extra numbered marriage cert from 1852, my gg grandparents. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Phillips [mailto:ronphillips@netspace.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2005 9:05 PM To: Dawn Webb; AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thompson Its also a matter of reading the old records as well. The handwriting in many instances was simply atrocious and very hard to decipher. So often two people charged with the responsibility of transferring the Church Records could not determine the hand written entries the same way so 2 entries were registered. If you look carefully at the Index entry you will often find minor differences in the spelling of one name and the other but also its often a difference in some other detail like place of BDorM or even a date of BDorM that is not disclosed in the Indexes and until you actually get both it doesn't make sense. The more cynical would suggest a Government conspiracy in getting more from us in Fees having to purchase 2 Certificates but perhaps we judge a bit harshly in this instance. I recently had occasion to help a friend with details of the demise of an Aunt from as recent at 50 years ago and the same happened to me - 2 entries. I sent for both Death Certificates and it was the exact same person in every detail - parents children husband etc except one showed the death as 1st and the other as the 7th as it turned out we managed to verify the date as the 1st from other sources but if you looked at the original hand written Certificate you could clearly mistake the 1 for a 7. If it was like that only 50 years ago I can imagine the handwriting from 150 years ago. Today's city Drs are bad enough - anyone ever tried to read a prescription?? Cheers Ron Phillips Melbourne Researching PHILLIPS and COMERFORD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: RE: Thompson > Hi Joan > > I think I can explain the two registration numbers for these entries. I > have the same thing for an 1852 marriage. > > These records are early, and as such, are church records rather than > official registration records which did not exist then. (Started 1855? in > Victoria.) The official BDM folk gathered up all the early church records > and numbered them. That is one number. The other one is the entire batch > from that particular church - a sort of cover folder that just says > something like "Early marriage records from St Francis' Melbourne > 1840-1855". > > I was concerned about the same thing and asked for a photocopy of both > certificates. They did do that, and explained why there were two numbers. > > Hope this helps > > Dawn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan Canning [mailto:ja.perl@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:28 PM > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Thompson > > Hi Chris > > Sorry, no luck locating death. > > On checking deaths for Thompson in 1852 (when he was widowed) located a > Sarah, age 23. (Age fits but no parents recorded). On checking > marriages - > a William Thompson married Sarah McKenna in 1848 - 2 entries - > Registration > Nos. 40608 and 584. > > Son (William) born to William & Sarah McKenna in 1849 and a daughter > (Catherine) in 1851. > > Each of these entries had denomination as Rom.Catholic and the Parish as > St.Francis, Melbourne. Strangely, every entry was duplicated with > different > registration numbers. > > Could be a long shot that this may be your William.. Only way to confirm > would be to purchase the marriage certificate, but this could turn out to > be > a waste of money. Not sure whether parents were recorded on certificates > back then. > > Good luck > Joan > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the > living. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.9/185 - Release Date: 28/11/2005 > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Threaded archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/188 - Release Date: 29/11/2005

Its also a matter of reading the old records as well. The handwriting in many instances was simply atrocious and very hard to decipher. So often two people charged with the responsibility of transferring the Church Records could not determine the hand written entries the same way so 2 entries were registered. If you look carefully at the Index entry you will often find minor differences in the spelling of one name and the other but also its often a difference in some other detail like place of BDorM or even a date of BDorM that is not disclosed in the Indexes and until you actually get both it doesn't make sense. The more cynical would suggest a Government conspiracy in getting more from us in Fees having to purchase 2 Certificates but perhaps we judge a bit harshly in this instance. I recently had occasion to help a friend with details of the demise of an Aunt from as recent at 50 years ago and the same happened to me - 2 entries. I sent for both Death Certificates and it was the exact same person in every detail - parents children husband etc except one showed the death as 1st and the other as the 7th as it turned out we managed to verify the date as the 1st from other sources but if you looked at the original hand written Certificate you could clearly mistake the 1 for a 7. If it was like that only 50 years ago I can imagine the handwriting from 150 years ago. Today's city Drs are bad enough - anyone ever tried to read a prescription?? Cheers Ron Phillips Melbourne Researching PHILLIPS and COMERFORD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: RE: Thompson > Hi Joan > > I think I can explain the two registration numbers for these entries. I > have the same thing for an 1852 marriage. > > These records are early, and as such, are church records rather than > official registration records which did not exist then. (Started 1855? in > Victoria.) The official BDM folk gathered up all the early church records > and numbered them. That is one number. The other one is the entire batch > from that particular church - a sort of cover folder that just says > something like "Early marriage records from St Francis' Melbourne > 1840-1855". > > I was concerned about the same thing and asked for a photocopy of both > certificates. They did do that, and explained why there were two numbers. > > Hope this helps > > Dawn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan Canning [mailto:ja.perl@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:28 PM > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Thompson > > Hi Chris > > Sorry, no luck locating death. > > On checking deaths for Thompson in 1852 (when he was widowed) located a > Sarah, age 23. (Age fits but no parents recorded). On checking > marriages - > a William Thompson married Sarah McKenna in 1848 - 2 entries - > Registration > Nos. 40608 and 584. > > Son (William) born to William & Sarah McKenna in 1849 and a daughter > (Catherine) in 1851. > > Each of these entries had denomination as Rom.Catholic and the Parish as > St.Francis, Melbourne. Strangely, every entry was duplicated with > different > registration numbers. > > Could be a long shot that this may be your William.. Only way to confirm > would be to purchase the marriage certificate, but this could turn out to > be > a waste of money. Not sure whether parents were recorded on certificates > back then. > > Good luck > Joan > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the > living. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.9/185 - Release Date: 28/11/2005 > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Threaded archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields >

Does anyone know where I could find any information or photos of the Southward&Sumpton grocer and wine and spirits stores at Scarsdale or Booloorook? The business began in Ballarat in the mid 1850s and later opened branches at Clunes, Scarsdale and Booloorook. and was eventually dissolved in 1874. Tony O'Grady Melbourne.

Seeking descendants of George Atack GUY and Sarah JARVIS who arrived at Port Philip 29 June 1849 on the Saxon. They lived first in Gippsland and later in Newstead, Victoria. I descend from their daughter Sarah Ann GUY who married Henry James CROMIE in Echuca in 1872 and ended up in Canada. Sarah Ann GUY's siblings married WILLIAMS, TANGEY, BAILHACHE, WIDDY, REDMOND, ANDRESON, TAYLOR. Any descendants out there? Wendy Croome Ottawa, Canada

Mary Her name was Mary Catherine NEYLAN. Thanks for your reply. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" <elthamlax@techinfo.com.au> To: "margaret trewick" <margaretwh@dodo.com.au> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Re: MARY CATHERINE NEYLAN Hello Margaret, What is the name of the 'nun' you are looking for? Mary of Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret trewick" <margaretwh@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: Re: MARY CATHERINE NEYLAN > Julie > I wrote to and had my reply from Sr Bridget Anne Isp > Religious Superior > Little Sisters of the Proor > PO Box 117 > Northcote Vic 3070 > Phone 03 9489 8444 Fax 03 9489 1302 > > As I was asking about a nun and got the reply from the Religious > Supewrior, you may be better off just writing to the Order at that > asddress, and see who they direct it to. > Good luck. > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie" <tropikkal@mytown.net.au> > To: "margaret trewick" <margaretwh@dodo.com.au> > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: MARY CATHERINE NEYLAN > > >> Hello Margaret, >> >> Saturday, November 26, 2005, 11:24:11 AM, you wrote: >> >> mt> The family in Ireland said she went to join a convent, they >> mt> thought "The Little Sisters of ther Poor" but I have written to >> mt> them and they said no record of her. >> >> A g/g/uncle died at "The Little Sisters of the Poor" at Northcote in >> 1903. >> I hadn't thought of writing to them - what do you suggest? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Julie in Cairns mailto:tropikkal@mytown.net.au >> > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb and help it support genealogy > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > >

Hi Joan I think I can explain the two registration numbers for these entries. I have the same thing for an 1852 marriage. These records are early, and as such, are church records rather than official registration records which did not exist then. (Started 1855? in Victoria.) The official BDM folk gathered up all the early church records and numbered them. That is one number. The other one is the entire batch from that particular church - a sort of cover folder that just says something like "Early marriage records from St Francis' Melbourne 1840-1855". I was concerned about the same thing and asked for a photocopy of both certificates. They did do that, and explained why there were two numbers. Hope this helps Dawn -----Original Message----- From: Joan Canning [mailto:ja.perl@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:28 PM To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Thompson Hi Chris Sorry, no luck locating death. On checking deaths for Thompson in 1852 (when he was widowed) located a Sarah, age 23. (Age fits but no parents recorded). On checking marriages - a William Thompson married Sarah McKenna in 1848 - 2 entries - Registration Nos. 40608 and 584. Son (William) born to William & Sarah McKenna in 1849 and a daughter (Catherine) in 1851. Each of these entries had denomination as Rom.Catholic and the Parish as St.Francis, Melbourne. Strangely, every entry was duplicated with different registration numbers. Could be a long shot that this may be your William.. Only way to confirm would be to purchase the marriage certificate, but this could turn out to be a waste of money. Not sure whether parents were recorded on certificates back then. Good luck Joan ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the living. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.9/185 - Release Date: 28/11/2005

Hi Chris, further to the messages from Joan and Jenny, you definitely need some way to narrow the parameters for the death of William THOMPSON as there are so many of them! I would also consider the records for the 8 children that William and his second wife Sophia had. I would get a copy of the death certificate for Paul THOMPSON aged 7 years who died in 1876 (7542) in Berwick. This may indicate whether his father is still alive or if deceased at that time, and may narrow down the date of William's death to a period after 1872 (date of last born child Ester Ruth) and before Paul's death in 1876. Also knowing where Paul is buried may also be a useful lead, as if his father died not long after, they may have been buried close by or at least in the same cemetery. If you draw a blank with this I would also start looking at deaths for William around the Berwick, Packenham, Dandenong area which is where all 8 children were born. Again the place of death for his wife Sophia, and where she is buried may well be a useful starting point to see whether she moved very far away from this area. Her death certificate may also give a few clues. regards, Peter Matthews jnnyb@aol.com wrote: > Hello Chris, > > If you find this fellow's death, please let me know as I've been > looking for it for years! > I have an interest in the Metzenthin side so can fill you in there, > including his marriage cert. > I think it's possible that he died in the early 1870s and was buried > at Harkaway. Few records have survived for this cemetery but we can > discuss that off list. > > best wishes, > > Jenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: kfarrow <kcfarrow@bigpond.net.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:06:39 +1100 > Subject: THOMPSON > > Dear All, I have had great responses from this group and am asking > for a marriage/ death look up please > .His name is William Samuel Thompson born 1828 in Holland to > (possibly english parents?) Henry Thompson and Anne Victorclifford. He > has a 2nd marriage in 1857 to Albertina Sophia Metzenthin at > Cranborne,. He was widowed in 1852 so the first marriage takes place > before then. Could someone please check for his first Marriage and > possible death please. > Thanks Chris > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice good internet genealogy - always be polite plus say 'thank you' > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Searchable archives at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L > >

Hi Chris Sorry, no luck locating death. On checking deaths for Thompson in 1852 (when he was widowed) located a Sarah, age 23. (Age fits but no parents recorded). On checking marriages - a William Thompson married Sarah McKenna in 1848 - 2 entries - Registration Nos. 40608 and 584. Son (William) born to William & Sarah McKenna in 1849 and a daughter (Catherine) in 1851. Each of these entries had denomination as Rom.Catholic and the Parish as St.Francis, Melbourne. Strangely, every entry was duplicated with different registration numbers. Could be a long shot that this may be your William.. Only way to confirm would be to purchase the marriage certificate, but this could turn out to be a waste of money. Not sure whether parents were recorded on certificates back then. Good luck Joan

Dear All, I have had great responses from this group and am asking for a marriage/ death look up please .His name is William Samuel Thompson born 1828 in Holland to (possibly english parents?) Henry Thompson and Anne Victorclifford. He has a 2nd marriage in 1857 to Albertina Sophia Metzenthin at Cranborne,. He was widowed in 1852 so the first marriage takes place before then. Could someone please check for his first Marriage and possible death please. Thanks Chris

Hi Janis, The ony Dan O'N*l who died in 1923 died at "C Hill" which usually means Clifton Hill, a suburb of Melbourne. It also often means the death occurred at Yarra Bend Asylum. The fellow has parents unknown, and age 83ys. Regn no. 9770. The number you have is for his inquest which found he died from broncho-pneumonia. The fact that he had an inquest lso suggests that he may have died at the asylum, although Clifton Hill was/is a residential suburb also. Jenny Coates -----Original Message----- From: Janis <janisdon1@westnet.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:29:22 +0800 Subject: O'Neill Could someone with an index please look up the inquest of Daniel O'Neill 7/9/1923? What I am trying to find out is his age at death or parents. The ref number is 921 (not sure if this is death ). TIA Janis in hot South Hedland ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com

Terry and John Thanks for the replies. I tried the St Bedes link about 30 mins ago, but got a message saying a read only text and would not open. Probably this operator at fault. Regards Margaret

Hi Tony There was a little conclave of West Limerick settlers at Axedale who don't get a mention in "Poverty to Promise". The name NORMOYLE comes up on the Kilcolman church register and O'DEA I think from memory. Names I have found at Axedale are KENNELLY, BRIDGMAN, WINDLE, and more that I'll have to go into my database and find. More to come. I'll also have a look in the West Limerick emigrants book by Kate Press and Val Thompson. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony O'Grady" <ogrady@connexus.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: Axedale - McGrath, O'Grady, McNamara, Doherty > Does anyone have any information on the following families who settled in Axedale in the 1850s and 1860s? > Between them they owned a combined area of over 1000 acres fairly close to the Longlea railway station. > > Pat McGRATH and his wife, Catherine Normoyle, bought their first block in 1864. >

> >http://www.stbedes.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/br/ might be a starting place Janis > >---- Original Message ---- >From: margaretwh@dodo.com.au >To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: BALLARAT CEMETERIES >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:46:10 +1100 > >>Hi everyone >>Still looking for Mary Catherine Neylan the nun. Have a burial >NEYLAN Mary 68 UNK UNK Ballarat 1919 4571 >>Could someone please look at Ballarat Cemeteries to see if a date >and more details are available please? >>Thanks >>Margaret >> >> >>==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in > >>the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >>

Hi everyone Still looking for Mary Catherine Neylan the nun. Have a burial NEYLAN Mary 68 UNK UNK Ballarat 1919 4571 Could someone please look at Ballarat Cemeteries to see if a date and more details are available please? Thanks Margaret

Hello Chris, If you find this fellow's death, please let me know as I've been looking for it for years! I have an interest in the Metzenthin side so can fill you in there, including his marriage cert. I think it's possible that he died in the early 1870s and was buried at Harkaway. Few records have survived for this cemetery but we can discuss that off list. best wishes, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: kfarrow <kcfarrow@bigpond.net.au> To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:06:39 +1100 Subject: THOMPSON Dear All, I have had great responses from this group and am asking for a marriage/ death look up please .His name is William Samuel Thompson born 1828 in Holland to (possibly english parents?) Henry Thompson and Anne Victorclifford. He has a 2nd marriage in 1857 to Albertina Sophia Metzenthin at Cranborne,. He was widowed in 1852 so the first marriage takes place before then. Could someone please check for his first Marriage and possible death please. Thanks Chris ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== Practice good internet genealogy - always be polite plus say 'thank you'

Hi Janis, This is the only one I can find on the Vic BDM's... Digger - Edwardian Index. Victoria 1902-1913 Surname: ONEILL Given Names: Pat Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Oneill Jas Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Marg SHEEHAN Age: 80 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Napoleons Year: 1913 Reg. Number: 3026 Napoleons is not far from Bunniyong... http://tinyurl.com/df54s Do you know who Patrick married? Kind regards, Sherrie. Sydney, NSW. On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:42:45 +1100, Janis <janisdon1@westnet.com.au> wrote: > Could someone who has the appropriate cd please look up the death of > Patrick > O'Neill. I know he died in March 1913 at 81 years old and is buried at > Buninyong. I am trying to find out who his parents were and where he > came > from. Tia > > Janis > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Do NOT send virus warnings <- considered off-topic. > >

Thanks Sherrie but no good. Janis

Thanks that's him wrong parents Regards Janis