Hi Lyn :) If ALL his children have the SAMPHIERS spelling, then I'd use that with the father too. Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyn To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: Name Dilemma G'day All I have a bit of a dilemma with a surname being spelt different. The family name is SAMPHIER one of the 10 children had his name spelt SAMPHON but all his children are SAMPHIERS. What name do you put in under these circumstances?? cheers Lyn

Hi any one researching these names around Castlemaine areas Gold fields HOLMES MELBOURNE Name not the city of Melbourne WILSON Budge, BEST may be ring a bell to some particularly MELBOURNE name with WILSON more info if needed regards Jessie

Hi again Jo :) I just downloaded the Australia Post postcode booklet, and these are the places that start with "Fair" ... Fairfield Fairhaven That was it! Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Featherston To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Place Name What might FAIR. be an abbreviation for, please ? Doesn't seem to be listed on the otherwise very helpful site http://members.westnet.com.au/web/talltrees/resources/vic_abbr.htm Jo ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Jo :) I don't have it on my list either, but I would think Fairfield? Or Fairlee? Not sure if that was an actual place, or whether it was just where the women's prison was. Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Featherston To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Place Name What might FAIR. be an abbreviation for, please ? Doesn't seem to be listed on the otherwise very helpful site http://members.westnet.com.au/web/talltrees/resources/vic_abbr.htm Jo ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com

Or MONT ALBERT MONTAGUE MONTROSE Cheers, Bob in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <honey@honeyshome.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: Re: Place Name > Hi Lyn :) > > Thanks for the compliment! ;D Mont COULD also be Mont Park. Do you have any places for other immediate family members? It might give you a clue as to where the event took place. > > Take care, > > Rob. > IBSSG > Stuttgart, Germany > Honey's Home of Genealogy > www.honeyshome.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lyn > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:47 PM > Subject: Place Name > > > G'day All > I have a birth in Mont...does anyone know what it stands for. I am thinking Monmorency, but I could be wrong. Have tried a couple of websites and I have a list sent to me by a wonderful lister but I cannot find Mont. > All help appreciated > cheers > Lyn >

G'day All I have a birth in Mont...does anyone know what it stands for. I am thinking Monmorency, but I could be wrong. Have tried a couple of websites and I have a list sent to me by a wonderful lister but I cannot find Mont. All help appreciated cheers Lyn

Pat wrote: >I have just found a g.grandfather born in Redruth,Cornwall, in 1838, >married to Julia Richards, b.1837, in Ill??? or All???(can't find the town >on map of Cornwall), They were married in 1838 in Cornwall. No date of >their migration to Australia, had a son John born Wattletree Gully, >Chewton, in 1866. Could SKS suggest a line of enquiry Hi Pat, Could perhaps be Illogan, an adjoining parish to Redruth? A lot of Cornish migrants migrated to South Australia first, and them came to Vic during the gold rushes - which might explain why you can't find their migration in Vic records. Death certificates in Vic will usually give an estimate of how long the person had been here, which might narrow down your searches for shipping records, etc. Cheers Susan

Mont Albert, that's the one I had on the tip of my tongue but couldn't remember, grrrrrrrr!!! Thanks Bob!! :D IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Cunning To: Robyn Leeds ; AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Place Name Or MONT ALBERT MONTAGUE MONTROSE Cheers, Bob in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <honey@honeyshome.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: Re: Place Name > Hi Lyn :) > > Thanks for the compliment! ;D Mont COULD also be Mont Park. Do you have any places for other immediate family members? It might give you a clue as to where the event took place. > > Take care, > > Rob. > IBSSG > Stuttgart, Germany > Honey's Home of Genealogy > www.honeyshome.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lyn > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:47 PM > Subject: Place Name > > > G'day All > I have a birth in Mont...does anyone know what it stands for. I am thinking Monmorency, but I could be wrong. Have tried a couple of websites and I have a list sent to me by a wonderful lister but I cannot find Mont. > All help appreciated > cheers > Lyn >

Hi Lyn :) Thanks for the compliment! ;D Mont COULD also be Mont Park. Do you have any places for other immediate family members? It might give you a clue as to where the event took place. Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyn To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: Place Name G'day All I have a birth in Mont...does anyone know what it stands for. I am thinking Monmorency, but I could be wrong. Have tried a couple of websites and I have a list sent to me by a wonderful lister but I cannot find Mont. All help appreciated cheers Lyn ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== Threaded archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields

I have just found a g.grandfather born in Redruth,Cornwall, in 1838, married to Julia Richards, b.1837, in Ill??? or All???(can't find the town on map of Cornwall), They were married in 1838 in Cornwall. No date of their migration to Australia, had a son John born Wattletree Gully, Chewton, in 1866. Could SKS suggest a line of enquiry. Thanks. Pat

Hi List & Rob, Carn is most likely Carngham, out from Ballarat near Smythesdale. Dave in Ballarat At 10:37 PM 4/12/2005, knirob wrote: >Greetings list, > >I Am researching my great grandparents who emigrated from Cornwall to >Ballarat arriving on the ship ‘Sir Robert Sale’ on 5 October 1858. They had >two children born in England, Caroline Ann and George, and a third, Mary >Jane, born on board during the voyage. In Australia they settled near >Ballarat and eeked out a survival level pittance from the goldfields. Here >they had another four children ­ Selina, Thomas, Robert Leonard, and John; >these latter four reportedly being born in Carn. > >Any information available relating to any of the persons listed would be >gratefully received and details I have I will willingly share. > >Rob Knight >Brisbane > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 2/12/2005 > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >Practice good internet genealogy - always be polite plus say 'thank you'

Greetings list, I Am researching my great grandparents who emigrated from Cornwall to Ballarat arriving on the ship ‘Sir Robert Sale’ on 5 October 1858. They had two children born in England, Caroline Ann and George, and a third, Mary Jane, born on board during the voyage. In Australia they settled near Ballarat and eeked out a survival level pittance from the goldfields. Here they had another four children – Selina, Thomas, Robert Leonard, and John; these latter four reportedly being born in Carn. Any information available relating to any of the persons listed would be gratefully received and details I have I will willingly share. Rob Knight Brisbane -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 2/12/2005

Hi all I am seriously looking for Julie-ann & Phillip YOUNG who were formerly known as WADDELL. Julie-ann & Phillip lived in Campbelltown and St Peters, SA (their mother Joyce WADDELL then YOUNG worked for Hackney Cellars) before moving, I think, to the area around Sovereign Hill VIC. They then moved to Melbourne (Altona area?) and later to QLD with their mother. There were further children born after their mother married Mr YOUNG. Julie-ann & Phillip would both be married now and we wish to re establish contact with them. Any clues appreciated. Glenys and Heather (formerly AUSTIN) in South OZ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/04

Lorraine Thanks. No need to repay, only too glad to assist. After all, that's why we join these mailing lists! I'm not researching any Irish ancestors at this time, but perhaps one day .... Larraine

Hello. Thought that I would re-post the names I am researching: CUNNING HALLS SEWELL JAMIESON RYRIE In the 1850's onwards in Ballarat, Creswick. Trentham. There were CUNNING and RYRIE Gold mines near Creswick. I would like to hear from anyone researching these names, I have most BMD Certs., dates and photos of tombstones.I am hoping to find someone else looking at these lines Cheers, Bob

Lorraine Joseph Huntley HEWS b. Collingwood 1871. Father Joseph, Mother Alice BARKER. Reg No 22308. Joseph and Alice were married in Bridgewater in 1870, Reg No 3235, and as well as Joseph Huntley they had 2 other children - Alice b. Collingwood 1873 Reg No 8472, and Robert Arberry b Collingwood 1875 Reg No 9080. That's all I can find on Joseph Huntley, no marriage or death record. Cheers Larraine

Could someone, please, look up JOSEPH HUNTLEY HEWS b 1871 married to Martha Eliz.Giles EDWARDS b.1878. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks Lorra

Sorry Dawn I neglected to reply to your other Question - The reference to 'C' means the Registered Entry has been Corrected and the 2005 says when. As far as I know the only alteration made to the Registration Number was the addition of the letter 'C' to denote a correction so I have no idea why they have changed the number to a five digit. It is a brand new number or did they simply add a number to the already existing 4 digit number? if the latter I suggest this might also have some reference to the alteration but if its a totally new number then that has me stumped. As I said above the only alteration I have ever known of was the addition of the 'C' to denote a corrected entry. If its the former IE a brand new number then I can only suggest you contact the Registry and ask because that would appear to be a new regulation. Cheers Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Phillips" <ronphillips@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Thompson > Dawn > > I really doubt the Registration Number would change in your particular > scenario as you are amending an existing single Record. Duplicated entries > usually only occurred at the time the transcription from Church Doctors or > municipal records to the Government records took place because as I said > earlier the details on the handwritten originals were in dispute. > > I guess the philosophy was better 2 entries one of which is probably > correct than one incorrect entry. Given the number of Births Deaths and > Marriages transcribed I would suggest that the number of duplicated > entries is really quite small so please take my comment on the Government > conspiracy as just a teensy bit tongue in cheek. All things considered I > reckon the transcribers did a fabulous job under very trying circumstances > and I also suggest the duplication was an absolute last resort when simply > no other source could be found of sufficient reliability to confirm one or > the other. > > Cheers > Ron Phillips > Melbourne Vic > Researching PHILLIPS and COMERFORD > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:08 AM > Subject: RE: Thompson > > >> On this topic - my mother died recently and had provided all the info for >> her death cert some years before. She was born in Kent, England - and so >> stated. When we get to "Years in Australia" she must have said "All my >> life": and so her death cert said - with my name listed as informant. I >> went in last week to amend it - she came here aged 4. No problems, very >> efficient, and I got the amended cert today. I don't have a copy of the >> old >> version - would the number have changed? The one with me now has 5 >> numerals, slash 2005, and the letter C after a space. Does anyone on the >> list know? >> >> Thanks >> >> Dawn >> >> PS for the cynics - I did not have to pay for the extra numbered marriage >> cert from 1852, my gg grandparents. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Phillips [mailto:ronphillips@netspace.net.au] >> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2005 9:05 PM >> To: Dawn Webb; AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Thompson >> >> Its also a matter of reading the old records as well. The handwriting in >> many instances was simply atrocious and very hard to decipher. So often >> two >> people charged with the responsibility of transferring the Church Records >> could not determine the hand written entries the same way so 2 entries >> were >> registered. If you look carefully at the Index entry you will often find >> minor differences in the spelling of one name and the other but also its >> often a difference in some other detail like place of BDorM or even a >> date >> of BDorM that is not disclosed in the Indexes and until you actually get >> both it doesn't make sense. >> >> The more cynical would suggest a Government conspiracy in getting more >> from >> us in Fees having to purchase 2 Certificates but perhaps we judge a bit >> harshly in this instance. >> >> I recently had occasion to help a friend with details of the demise of an >> Aunt from as recent at 50 years ago and the same happened to me - 2 >> entries. >> >> I sent for both Death Certificates and it was the exact same person in >> every >> >> detail - parents children husband etc except one showed the death as 1st >> and >> >> the other as the 7th as it turned out we managed to verify the date as >> the >> 1st from other sources but if you looked at the original hand written >> Certificate you could clearly mistake the 1 for a 7. >> >> If it was like that only 50 years ago I can imagine the handwriting from >> 150 >> >> years ago. Today's city Drs are bad enough - anyone ever tried to read a >> prescription?? >> >> Cheers >> Ron Phillips >> Melbourne >> Researching PHILLIPS and COMERFORD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:27 AM >> Subject: RE: Thompson >> >> >>> Hi Joan >>> >>> I think I can explain the two registration numbers for these entries. I >>> have the same thing for an 1852 marriage. >>> >>> These records are early, and as such, are church records rather than >>> official registration records which did not exist then. (Started 1855? >>> in >>> Victoria.) The official BDM folk gathered up all the early church >>> records >>> and numbered them. That is one number. The other one is the entire >>> batch >>> from that particular church - a sort of cover folder that just says >>> something like "Early marriage records from St Francis' Melbourne >>> 1840-1855". >>> >>> I was concerned about the same thing and asked for a photocopy of both >>> certificates. They did do that, and explained why there were two >>> numbers. >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> Dawn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joan Canning [mailto:ja.perl@bigpond.net.au] >>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:28 PM >>> To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Thompson >>> >>> Hi Chris >>> >>> Sorry, no luck locating death. >>> >>> On checking deaths for Thompson in 1852 (when he was widowed) located a >>> Sarah, age 23. (Age fits but no parents recorded). On checking >>> marriages - >>> a William Thompson married Sarah McKenna in 1848 - 2 entries - >>> Registration >>> Nos. 40608 and 584. >>> >>> Son (William) born to William & Sarah McKenna in 1849 and a daughter >>> (Catherine) in 1851. >>> >>> Each of these entries had denomination as Rom.Catholic and the Parish as >>> St.Francis, Melbourne. Strangely, every entry was duplicated with >>> different >>> registration numbers. >>> >>> Could be a long shot that this may be your William.. Only way to >>> confirm >>> would be to purchase the marriage certificate, but this could turn out >>> to >>> be >>> a waste of money. Not sure whether parents were recorded on certificates >>> back then. >>> >>> Good luck >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >>> Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the >>> living. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.9/185 - Release Date: >>> 28/11/2005 >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >>> Threaded archives at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/188 - Release Date: >> 29/11/2005 >> >> >> >> ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >> Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the >> living. >> > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Threaded archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields >

Dawn I really doubt the Registration Number would change in your particular scenario as you are amending an existing single Record. Duplicated entries usually only occurred at the time the transcription from Church Doctors or municipal records to the Government records took place because as I said earlier the details on the handwritten originals were in dispute. I guess the philosophy was better 2 entries one of which is probably correct than one incorrect entry. Given the number of Births Deaths and Marriages transcribed I would suggest that the number of duplicated entries is really quite small so please take my comment on the Government conspiracy as just a teensy bit tongue in cheek. All things considered I reckon the transcribers did a fabulous job under very trying circumstances and I also suggest the duplication was an absolute last resort when simply no other source could be found of sufficient reliability to confirm one or the other. Cheers Ron Phillips Melbourne Vic Researching PHILLIPS and COMERFORD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: RE: Thompson > On this topic - my mother died recently and had provided all the info for > her death cert some years before. She was born in Kent, England - and so > stated. When we get to "Years in Australia" she must have said "All my > life": and so her death cert said - with my name listed as informant. I > went in last week to amend it - she came here aged 4. No problems, very > efficient, and I got the amended cert today. I don't have a copy of the > old > version - would the number have changed? The one with me now has 5 > numerals, slash 2005, and the letter C after a space. Does anyone on the > list know? > > Thanks > > Dawn > > PS for the cynics - I did not have to pay for the extra numbered marriage > cert from 1852, my gg grandparents. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Phillips [mailto:ronphillips@netspace.net.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2005 9:05 PM > To: Dawn Webb; AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Thompson > > Its also a matter of reading the old records as well. The handwriting in > many instances was simply atrocious and very hard to decipher. So often > two > people charged with the responsibility of transferring the Church Records > could not determine the hand written entries the same way so 2 entries > were > registered. If you look carefully at the Index entry you will often find > minor differences in the spelling of one name and the other but also its > often a difference in some other detail like place of BDorM or even a date > of BDorM that is not disclosed in the Indexes and until you actually get > both it doesn't make sense. > > The more cynical would suggest a Government conspiracy in getting more > from > us in Fees having to purchase 2 Certificates but perhaps we judge a bit > harshly in this instance. > > I recently had occasion to help a friend with details of the demise of an > Aunt from as recent at 50 years ago and the same happened to me - 2 > entries. > > I sent for both Death Certificates and it was the exact same person in > every > > detail - parents children husband etc except one showed the death as 1st > and > > the other as the 7th as it turned out we managed to verify the date as the > 1st from other sources but if you looked at the original hand written > Certificate you could clearly mistake the 1 for a 7. > > If it was like that only 50 years ago I can imagine the handwriting from > 150 > > years ago. Today's city Drs are bad enough - anyone ever tried to read a > prescription?? > > Cheers > Ron Phillips > Melbourne > Researching PHILLIPS and COMERFORD > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:27 AM > Subject: RE: Thompson > > >> Hi Joan >> >> I think I can explain the two registration numbers for these entries. I >> have the same thing for an 1852 marriage. >> >> These records are early, and as such, are church records rather than >> official registration records which did not exist then. (Started 1855? >> in >> Victoria.) The official BDM folk gathered up all the early church >> records >> and numbered them. That is one number. The other one is the entire >> batch >> from that particular church - a sort of cover folder that just says >> something like "Early marriage records from St Francis' Melbourne >> 1840-1855". >> >> I was concerned about the same thing and asked for a photocopy of both >> certificates. They did do that, and explained why there were two >> numbers. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Dawn >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joan Canning [mailto:ja.perl@bigpond.net.au] >> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:28 PM >> To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Thompson >> >> Hi Chris >> >> Sorry, no luck locating death. >> >> On checking deaths for Thompson in 1852 (when he was widowed) located a >> Sarah, age 23. (Age fits but no parents recorded). On checking >> marriages - >> a William Thompson married Sarah McKenna in 1848 - 2 entries - >> Registration >> Nos. 40608 and 584. >> >> Son (William) born to William & Sarah McKenna in 1849 and a daughter >> (Catherine) in 1851. >> >> Each of these entries had denomination as Rom.Catholic and the Parish as >> St.Francis, Melbourne. Strangely, every entry was duplicated with >> different >> registration numbers. >> >> Could be a long shot that this may be your William.. Only way to confirm >> would be to purchase the marriage certificate, but this could turn out to >> be >> a waste of money. Not sure whether parents were recorded on certificates >> back then. >> >> Good luck >> Joan >> >> >> ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >> Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the >> living. >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.9/185 - Release Date: >> 28/11/2005 >> >> >> >> ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >> Threaded archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/188 - Release Date: > 29/11/2005 > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the > living. >

Hi Margaret. I can't see her buried at Ballarat at all. There are 6 Neylans buried at the New Cemetary but not her name? Sue