Rob wrote: > I have this exact situation with one of my own ancestors, buried at > Fawkner. John Thomas BYNON is buried on his own, or so you would think > from his headstone. On his headstone it reads 504 2/Corporal J.T. Bynon 2 > Tunnelling Company, 21st February 1929 ACE 4-6 (or is that 4.6?). I have > no idea what the "ACE" part means which is why I typed that in full. If > anyone else knows, can you please inform me? Ta muchly! :D Here's a > photo of it anyway ... http://www.honeyshome.com/oz/jpg_A_086.htm > > Anyway, that's all that's on his headstone, but according to Fawkner > records which I'd searched online before we headed down to Oz last March, > his wife Ruby Beatrice IS buried with him, but no mention of her on the > headstone!! Now the REALLY weird part is that Ruby died in 1926 and John > died in 1929, so why wasn't HER name on the headstone and not HIS?!?!? Hello Rob Having a look at your photo - firstly, I think it says AGE 46 not ACE 46 - a check on the death indexes should confirm how old he was when he died - someone on the list may be able to help there. Secondly, whilst not an expert in these matters - I have seen similar headstones for other ex-servicemen - suggesting that it was perhaps a "standard" headstone, possibly provided by their military unit (or perhaps a historical group connected to that unit?), and was usually erected some time after their death?? The headstone and inscription looks in good condition, suggesting it may have been erected in more recent times? Presumably the military unit would only have been interested in recognising the ex-serviceman, and not anyone else in the grave, which explains why his wife was not listed. I recently visited the grave of a great uncle at Boroodara Cemetery in Kew, and was surprised to find a military plaque recognising him as a WWI serviceman - the cemetery has no idea who erected it, but it certainly wasn't direct family members - and like yours - the plaque contained an AIF logo and listed his military unit details, and did not refer to anyone else that was buried in the same grave. Hope this helps Susan

William Wakeling Ref No 32. Fall from horse 1860. Regards Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evanie Clack" <evanie_c@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:26 PM Subject: Inquest on Wakeling, William 1860 > Hi Listers, > > Would SKS having the inquest CD be so good as to tell me the inquest > number for this young fellow? I had #32 listed, but apparently that is > not the number in the PRO. Help, please? > > Thank you > Evanie Clack > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Threaded archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.13.13 - Release Date: 8/12/2005 >

Hi Robyn, He was Age 46 (not Ace 4.6), BDM records confirm this (below). Maybe his headstone was paid for by the army? You could write to the cemetary trust and ask who arranged the headstone. Sue Surname: BYNON Given Names: Jno Thomas Father: Bynon Wm Mother: Elizth ARMSTRONG Death Place: MELB E Age: 46 Age Code: Year: 1929 Reg Number: 2300 Event: D Surname: BYNON Given Names: Ruby Beatr Father: Williams Archd Mother: Rose GAUNTLY Death Place: MELB E Age: 34 Age Code: Year: 1926 Reg Number: 14673 Event: D

Hi Rob, I think the reason that the wife was probably not on the head stone is that it looks like the kind of headstone provided by and paid for by the military. They did this for returned soldiers, but not for their wives. Given that it was around the start of the depression, it maybe that the family did not have the money to put up a headstone for her, but that they were able to get the military to put up one for him. The military will not include otheres burried in the same grave on the headstones. Penelope

Sorry Ian, but I don't think there is a connection. My Eliza HALL was born ( about 1848)) at Belfast, Vic (now Port Fairy) and died in 1933. I know nothing of her antecedents at all (in the absence of certificates) except that I do know she was married to Walter Thomas PETERS, 21 March 1871, in Tarnagulla, Vic. It was her surviving children (PETERS) who moved to WA. I am not aware of her HALL family other than this. Wish I could have been of more help. Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Research" <ianspe@iinet.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: HALL in Vic and WA | G'day Trevor, | | I was interested in your HALL connection. | | I have an Annie Amelia HALL b1900 and Charles Ronald HALL b1904 both born in | Boulder WA. Their parents were Charles Ernest HALL c1871 (not sure where) | and Louisa CHINNOCK b1870 Clunes Vic. | | Annie and Charles both married in WA but I do not know if they came here | separately or with their parents at a young age as I cannot find their | parents deaths in either Vic or WA. | | Any Connections. | | | Regards | | | Ian Spence | WA | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "trevor" <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> | To: <Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:48 PM | Subject: Burial records | | | >I have a record which tells me that Eliza PETERS, nee HALL, died at 1308 | > Dana Street, Ballarat on 8th August, 1933. | > | > I know that her husband, Walter Thomas PETERS and their daughter, Minnie, | > are buried in the Ballarat Old Cemetery. At least, the headstone says so, | > but there is no record of Eliza on the headstone. | > | > I have a couple of questions: | > | > 1. How would I find a burial record (short of getting a certificate) for | > Eliza in 1933? | > (Guess I know that the answer will be, "Get the certificate!" but is | > there | > any other source?) | > | > 2. What directories should I be looking at to track the above Eliza | > PETERS | > in the years between her husband's death in 1902, and her own death in | > 1933? | > All her children, apart from Minnie above, and her youngest, Owen, who | > died | > in WW1 in 1916, were in W.A. when she died. | > | > TIA | > | > Trevor | > | > | > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== | > Practice good internet genealogy - always be polite plus say 'thank you' | > | | | ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== | Threaded archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields |

Hi All, I have in my possession an oval metal plate, some 10 “ wide (quite heavy) with the following inscription – J. Smith Pty Ltd Maker Ballarat. I have searched Google with no success for Boilermakers in Ballarat and now hope that someone from Ballarat may recognize the name and have some Hx on this company. Any replies gratefully appreciated. Regards Graeme Rummler – Sunshine Coast, Queensland. All E-Mails Virus Scanned on Receiving & Sending by Nortons. sunfin@spiderweb.com.au Graeme: List Administrator for Rummler & Rumler at www.rootsweb.com The Australian & New Zealand Rumler surname was originally spelt as Rummler from Reichenbach, Schlesien, Preussen. Rummler is a variation of the Low German, Dutch and Flemish nickname Rommel from Middle Low German Rummeln = To make a noise or create a disturbance. It was used to describe the Obstreperous person. Variaions include Rommele: Rommler: Rumler: Rummel & Rummele etc etc. Schlesien surnames of interest: Rummler: Rümmler: Radeck: Weiss: Lampert: Schmidt: Schnell: Suessmann: Keller: Elter: Hippe: Wuendisch: Marx: Brendel: Fleissig: Hillgner: Heintz: Bauer: Gruender: Wiesner: Hoffmann plus many many more to numerous to mention. Australian surnames of interest: Rumler: Rummler: Blackmore: Odgers: Davies: Weightman: Wills: Wolfe: Sobey: Renkin: Hicks: Caddy: Jennings: Godfrey: Watkins: Heinricksen: Gollop: Douglas: Reeves: Bray plus many more to numerous to mention.

"Try searching http://www.naa.gov.au/." Hi Trevor :) Thanks VERY much for the suggestion above, I did just that after receiving an email from Lyn saying his records WERE available. I couldn't find him on my first run through, but I DID find one of my STRAUGHAIR ancestors, and my Uncle Richie, so I think now I've found John Thomas I'm going to have to put them all in my "wish list" and order copies next year. I'd love to do it now, but I've just forked out AU$3,000 for my 15yo son Casey to fly over for Christmas (he's actually somewhere between Sydney and Tokyo right now, WOOHOO!! :D oooops! sorry, that's not on topic, I'm just super excited! lol) so once he heads back to Oz late January I'll look into this further. One question for ALL of you about the NAA site ... is there any way to find out how many pages are in these records BEFORE ordering them? It's going to cost me about AU$28 per person for photocopies, but I noticed on the prices page that it's only about 20 cents per page on smallish sized records. I'm just wondering if perhaps it might be more financially viable to just get "basic info" copied and order the full records for people like Uncle Richie who I grew up with and would love to read about, or direct ancestors. Anyone know if that's possible please? While I'm emailing you all again, I'm going to take this opportunity to slip in an off topic note! ;D I hope you all have a wonderful Christmas and a very happy, safe and healthy 2006, and may all your brick walls come tumbling down in the new year!!!! :D You've all been a wonderful help to me while I've been a member of this list so a HUGE thank you to you all again! :D If any of you are doing any research over the Christmas season and you happen to notice any ARMSTRONG, BYNON or STRAUGHAIR names, I'd love to hear about it! :D Take care, Rob.

Hi everyone :) Okay, okay, I'm going to admit this little blonde Aussie deserves the "Dunce of the Year" award over my "ACE" comment!! Quite a few people have emailed me on AND offlist saying it's supposed to be "AGE". Yep, definitely time to stop putting off my laser surgery for retinopathy and get these eyes back to how they SHOULD be!! lol Thanks everyone for confirming what it should be, and next time I'll zoom in on the photo so I can see better, or better still go see the Prof. at Katherinen Krankenhaus and get these aging eyes seen to!! lol Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com

Dear listers, I have received many enquiries on the above book, since it went out of print in 1991. For the last three years, I was only able to say: it is being rewritten and extended. A new researcher was engaged by the Trustees of the Altona Memorial Park (Helen DOYLE) to upgrade a second edition , and to extend the list of those buried in the Williamstown , Victoria, cemetery to 1858- 2004. Chapters 1 to 5, written by Andrew Lemon and Marjorie Morgan "remain substantially unchanged with the exception of Chapter 5, which have been extended. The two new chapters (6 & 7) were written by Helen Doyle." So, this is to let you know, that it has at last been released. regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 09-12-05

Thanks to Gaylene I have the information. J> If someone has a The Victorian Goldfields Hospitals Index CD could I J> have a lookup please? J> Ellen WILLIAMS, previously of Kew Asylum 1901 - 1906, admitted to J> Castlemaine Benevolent Asylum sometime after 1906 and died there 9 Jan J> 1918. -- Best regards, Julie mailto:tropikkal@mytown.net.au

Sue wrote: | On the Ballarat Cemetaries Index there is a listing for an Eliza Peters | buried Ballarat Old Cemetary 10 August 1933 aged 85. Unfortunately the | index doesn't give grave details. Thank you very much for that, Sue. The name, age and date match perfectly. This looks like my gal. Several listers have suggested that because two of her children were dead, and the others were in W.A. that maybe she is in the same grave as her husband and there was no one around to bother about adding her name to the headstone. I suppose that is a real possibility. Thank you for checking Sue. Trevor

Greetings, If someone has a The Victorian Goldfields Hospitals Index CD could I have a lookup please? Ellen WILLIAMS, previously of Kew Asylum 1901 - 1906, admitted to Castlemaine Benevolent Asylum sometime after 1906 and died there 9 Jan 1918. -- Best regards, Julie in Cairns mailto:tropikkal@mytown.net.au

G'day Trevor, I was interested in your HALL connection. I have an Annie Amelia HALL b1900 and Charles Ronald HALL b1904 both born in Boulder WA. Their parents were Charles Ernest HALL c1871 (not sure where) and Louisa CHINNOCK b1870 Clunes Vic. Annie and Charles both married in WA but I do not know if they came here separately or with their parents at a young age as I cannot find their parents deaths in either Vic or WA. Any Connections. Regards Ian Spence WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "trevor" <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> To: <Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Burial records >I have a record which tells me that Eliza PETERS, nee HALL, died at 1308 > Dana Street, Ballarat on 8th August, 1933. > > I know that her husband, Walter Thomas PETERS and their daughter, Minnie, > are buried in the Ballarat Old Cemetery. At least, the headstone says so, > but there is no record of Eliza on the headstone. > > I have a couple of questions: > > 1. How would I find a burial record (short of getting a certificate) for > Eliza in 1933? > (Guess I know that the answer will be, "Get the certificate!" but is > there > any other source?) > > 2. What directories should I be looking at to track the above Eliza > PETERS > in the years between her husband's death in 1902, and her own death in > 1933? > All her children, apart from Minnie above, and her youngest, Owen, who > died > in WW1 in 1916, were in W.A. when she died. > > TIA > > Trevor > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice good internet genealogy - always be polite plus say 'thank you' >

Hi Trevor, On the Ballarat Cemetaries Index there is a listing for an Eliza Peters buried Ballarat Old Cemetary 10 August 1933 aged 85. Unfortunately the index doesn't give grave details. Regards Sue Ballarat ----- Original Message ----- From: "trevor" <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:48 PM Subject: Burial records >I have a record which tells me that Eliza PETERS, nee HALL, died at 1308 > Dana Street, Ballarat on 8th August, 1933. > > I know that her husband, Walter Thomas PETERS and their daughter, Minnie, > are buried in the Ballarat Old Cemetery. At least, the headstone says so, > but there is no record of Eliza on the headstone. > > I have a couple of questions: > > 1. How would I find a burial record (short of getting a certificate) for > Eliza in 1933? > (Guess I know that the answer will be, "Get the certificate!" but is > there > any other source?) > > 2. What directories should I be looking at to track the above Eliza > PETERS > in the years between her husband's death in 1902, and her own death in > 1933? > All her children, apart from Minnie above, and her youngest, Owen, who > died > in WW1 in 1916, were in W.A. when she died. > > TIA > > Trevor > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice good internet genealogy - always be polite plus say 'thank you' > >

"I suppose that you have checked the World War 1 Nominal and Embarkation Rolls at the Australian War Memorial site?" Hi Trevor :) No, I haven't actually, because he's not one of my "direct" lines, but this is great news, thanks! :D I've got WW2 Certificates on my site in my family albums for some of my BYNONs, but not John which is understandable since he died before then! ;D I'll definitely go take a look and have a good think about ordering a photocopy of his records. Thanks again!! :D Take care, Rob.

"maybe she is in the same grave as her husband and there was no one around to bother about adding her name to the headstone." Hi Trevor :) I have this exact situation with one of my own ancestors, buried at Fawkner. John Thomas BYNON is buried on his own, or so you would think from his headstone. On his headstone it reads 504 2/Corporal J.T. Bynon 2 Tunnelling Company, 21st February 1929 ACE 4-6 (or is that 4.6?). I have no idea what the "ACE" part means which is why I typed that in full. If anyone else knows, can you please inform me? Ta muchly! :D Here's a photo of it anyway ... http://www.honeyshome.com/oz/jpg_A_086.htm Anyway, that's all that's on his headstone, but according to Fawkner records which I'd searched online before we headed down to Oz last March, his wife Ruby Beatrice IS buried with him, but no mention of her on the headstone!! Now the REALLY weird part is that Ruby died in 1926 and John died in 1929, so why wasn't HER name on the headstone and not HIS?!?!? Hmmmmmmmmm ... the plot thickens!! ;D Now if one of John and Ruby's descendants would just find my website and contact me, maybe I'll one day have the answer to this little mystery. And that's why I personally think publishing your tree on your own website is an excellent idea. I've had so many cousins contact me via my website and because of it I've received a heap of information, given back more than I was given AND corrected errors. I'm VERY happy I bought my own domain and upload updated trees on a regular basis!! :D Take care, Rob.

I have a record which tells me that Eliza PETERS, nee HALL, died at 1308 Dana Street, Ballarat on 8th August, 1933. I know that her husband, Walter Thomas PETERS and their daughter, Minnie, are buried in the Ballarat Old Cemetery. At least, the headstone says so, but there is no record of Eliza on the headstone. I have a couple of questions: 1. How would I find a burial record (short of getting a certificate) for Eliza in 1933? (Guess I know that the answer will be, "Get the certificate!" but is there any other source?) 2. What directories should I be looking at to track the above Eliza PETERS in the years between her husband's death in 1902, and her own death in 1933? All her children, apart from Minnie above, and her youngest, Owen, who died in WW1 in 1916, were in W.A. when she died. TIA Trevor

Hello and a joyous Christmas to everyone I wonder if anyone has the following book "Hamilton- A Western District History" by Don Garden If so would you mind telling me if it has any references to Hayes, Nagorcka, Best , McIntyre and/or Stevenson. If so I will purchase a copy of the book for my husband for Christmas as these are his family amcestors. All the best Lexie Picken Colac

Hi Listers, Would SKS having the inquest CD be so good as to tell me the inquest number for this young fellow? I had #32 listed, but apparently that is not the number in the PRO. Help, please? Thank you Evanie Clack

The Knight and the Cock families both arrived as unassisted migrants on the Sir Robert Sale in October 1868. In addition to the Knights listed by Rob there was also a Mark (27). You can check on the Victorian P.R.O. on-line records for the basic details. Tony O'Grady. There were also voyages to Australia by a Sir Robert Sale in 1850 and 1852 but I don't know whethet or not it was the same vessell. Tony O'Grady ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Lambert" <margielambert@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: KNIGHT William, and wife Agnes (nee Steed) > > > X-Message: #2 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:37:46 +1000 > From: "knirob" <knirob@bigpond.com> > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Message-Id: > <20051204113747.VRZM16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@CPQ82543716135> > Subject: KNIGHT William, and wife Agnes (nee Steed) > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="windows-1250" > > Greetings list, > > I Am researching my great grandparents who emigrated from Cornwall to > Ballarat arriving on the ship 'Sir Robert Sale' on 5 October 1858. They had > two children born in England, Caroline Ann and George, and a third, Mary > Jane, born on board during the voyage. In Australia they settled near > Ballarat and eeked out a survival level pittance from the goldfields. Here > they had another four children - Selina, Thomas, Robert Leonard, and John; > these latter four reportedly being born in Carn. > > Any information available relating to any of the persons listed would be > gratefully received and details I have I will willingly share. > > Rob Knight > Brisbane > > > Hi Rob > I have some family members of mine (John and Emily Cock nee Jacka and two > children William 5 and Grace 3) also arriving on the Robert Sale, but the > date I have is arriving in Melbourne on 5 October 1868. Would it be > coincidental that the same ship arrived in the same month exactly 10 years > apart, or have one of us got the year wrong?? BTW, the Robert Sale was a > wooden barque of 741 tons, built in Burma in 1843 that carried 315 > passengers. > Cheers > Maggie > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > The mailing list for the golden triangle of Ballarat, Bendigo and Maryborough VICTORIA > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 7/12/05 > >