Dear listers If anyone has access to the Digger CDs, could they please let me know if there is any record of the birth of any children to Vincent PYKE/PIKE and his wife Frances Elizabeth PYKE, on the Bendigo Goldfields between 1853 and 1862? Names to looks out for are Frances Mary and Reginald Arthur in particular I would also be interested to know of there is any record of deaths of any of their children, or of Vincent's mother Mary PYKE, maiden name Candy? I am writing from London, and would appreciate any help with piecing together this family. Kind regards Philip Candy This e-mail is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies; please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Thank you for your co-operation.

Hi all Today received my 2g grandmother's death registration. It lists the following who all died in the Ballarat area in early June 1896: Mary Jane DAVIDSON, 33; Robert Nesbett SMITH, 54; William BOLITHO, 36; Thomas WELLINGTON, 24. Contact me for full details if any of these people are yours. Norma

Hi Lexie, Yes, I have the book, just checked the Index and 2 of your names are mentioned Nagorcka family, pages 141, 182, 190 Stevenson Dr. William, Pages 58, 63, 64, 65, 71, 92 I could do copies if you cant get hold of the book cheers.....Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lexie Picken" <lexiep@hotkey.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: Hamilton A Western District History > Hello and a joyous Christmas to everyone > > I wonder if anyone has the following book > > "Hamilton- A Western District History" by Don Garden > > If so would you mind telling me if it has any references to Hayes, Nagorcka, > Best , McIntyre and/or Stevenson. If so I will purchase a copy of the book > for my husband for Christmas as these are his family amcestors.

Hello. I am researching John CUNNING and James Erskine CUNNING and the CUNNING and RYRIE goldmines in the CRESWICK area 1860 to 1880. Also Robert JAMIESON and Alexander RYRIE and families in the same area Is anyone else researching these names?. Cheers, Bob in Melbourne

The House that Wool Built: It's bluestone: built between 1859-1865 John Moffat arrived at Hopkin's Hill in 1859 and Chatsworth House was one of several properties sold after his death. This source is vague about who actually built it. Susan

This was supposed to be posted to the List in general but I hit Reply instead of Reply All!! Copy_______________________ Ooops it seems I was a bit hasty and came in on the end of the thread. I missed Robs original posting. All I saw was a lot of comments all targeting Robs mistype and thought it was a bit much all ganging up on him over such a trivial error. I shall with draw and lick my wounds. Ron Melbourne Vic

Hello everyone. Those of you living around Daylesford may be interested in attending the launch, this Saturday, of the book 'Bullboar, Macaroni and Mineral Water: Spa Country's Swiss Italian Story' which has been published by the Hepburn Springs Swiss Italian Festa. Details of the launch are below. Those who want more information concerning the content of the book, or a flyer concerning book sales, can email me. ***** SPA COUNTRY'S SWISS/ITALIAN STORY 'BULLBOAR, MACARONI & MINERAL WATER' BY CLARE GERVASONI THIS 120 PAGE BOOK, FULL OF PHOTOS AND NAMES, TELLS THE STORY OF THE SWISS/ITALIAN SETTLERS FROM THE 1850s ON. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO THE LAUNCH AT THE PANTECHNICON GALLERY 34 VINCENT ST DAYLESFORD SATURDAY 17 DECEMBER AT 2PM COPIES OF THE BOOK WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR $25 ENQUIRIES TO GRAHAM HUDSON-RIGHETTI PH. 5348 7577 Clare Gervasoni Curator: Art & Historical Collection Monday, Tuesday & the morning of Wednesday. Ph 5327 9168 http://www.ballarat.edu.au/fdp/history

G'day Ron I dont think listers were nitpicking as Robyn asked : On his headstone it reads 504 2/Corporal J.T. Bynon 2 Tunnelling Company, 21st February 1929 ACE 4-6 (or is that 4.6?). I have no idea what the "ACE" part means which is why I typed that in full. If anyone else knows, can you please inform me? Ta muchly! :D cheers Lyn

I think you may have jumped to the wrong conclusion Ron. I think Rob read it as ACE and thought it had quite a different relationship to the number 46. By pointing it out and providing death information verifying his age at death, I for one, thought I was being helpful. From Rob's response I didn't think Rob was offended by that? Sue Ballarat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Phillips" <ronphillips@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: ACE/AGE on headstones > Rob > > To be honest I'm just a bit disappointed that so many are so pedantic and > have so much time to waste nit picking the tiniest of typos. So what if > you typed ACE instead of AGE. With a little tolerance and a smidgen of > imagination is not so hard to figure out what you meant! > > Its Christmas! At least for the next few days lets be understanding and > tolerant of simple errors. I would hate to see the reaction for something > really serious. Perhaps a few folks jumping off the West Gate Bridge in > despair!! > > Merry Christmas > Peace and Goodwill to all. > > Ron Phillips > Melbourne Vic.

G'day All A site you may want to put in favourites cheers Lyn http://www.australianwargraves.org/index.html

Rob To be honest I'm just a bit disappointed that so many are so pedantic and have so much time to waste nit picking the tiniest of typos. So what if you typed ACE instead of AGE. With a little tolerance and a smidgen of imagination is not so hard to figure out what you meant! Its Christmas! At least for the next few days lets be understanding and tolerant of simple errors. I would hate to see the reaction for something really serious. Perhaps a few folks jumping off the West Gate Bridge in despair!! Merry Christmas Peace and Goodwill to all. Ron Phillips Melbourne Vic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <honey@honeyshome.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 3:10 AM Subject: ACE/AGE on headstones > Hi everyone :) > > Okay, okay, I'm going to admit this little blonde Aussie deserves the > "Dunce of the Year" award over my "ACE" comment!! Quite a few people have > emailed me on AND offlist saying it's supposed to be "AGE". Yep, > definitely time to stop putting off my laser surgery for retinopathy and > get these eyes back to how they SHOULD be!! lol > > Thanks everyone for confirming what it should be, and next time I'll zoom > in on the photo so I can see better, or better still go see the Prof. at > Katherinen Krankenhaus and get these aging eyes seen to!! lol > > Take care, > > Rob. > IBSSG > Stuttgart, Germany > Honey's Home of Genealogy > www.honeyshome.com > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Practice safe genealogy - don't include the personal details of the > living. >

Hi again Rob, Re the number of pages, it depends on how much info there is on the service person. I have had one of 20+ pages and one with just a few. In the latter case it was because he went AWOL never to be seen again and to make it worse, he wasn't even mine! Regards and Merry Christmas. Sue Ballarat

Sherrie, Thanks for that. You have been doing a bit of sleuthing and I appreciate it. I know that there is another Lister who will be interested in the Tarnagulla connection too! I am really only interested in Eliza as she married into my family of major interest: PETERS, However, when information like yours comes along I also pop it into the program. Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherrie Blackman" <silkweb@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: Re: HALL in Vic and WA | Hi Trevor, | | Looking at Eliza Hall's death in 1933, the rego states her parents are: | | Father: Thomas Hall | Mother: Messenger | | From the Vic BDM's... a Thomas Hall & Elizabeth Messenger were having | children | Dunnolly & Burnt Creek Victoria from 1857 to 1965. (if you'd like the | rest of the family let me know) | | Eliza's birth is not mentioned. | | This is just a stab in the dark, going on Eliza Hall being born in Vic | 1848. | | A Thomas & Elizabeth Hall arrived in 1844. The actual passenger list | should mention Elizabeth's | maiden name.... | | Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page | HALL ELIZABETH 21 FEB 1844 WALLACE 2/3 146 | HALL THOMAS 22 FEB 1844 WALLACE 2/3 146 | | | Elizabeth Hall (nee Messenger) died in Dunnolly 1899 age 76 = c.1823 | | Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 | | Surname: HALL | Given Names: Elizth | Event: D | Sex: | Spouse Surname/Father: Messenger Jno | Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN | Age: 76 | Age Code: | Birth Place: | Death Place: Dunolly | Year: 1899 | Reg. Number: 1447 | | | Thomas HALL & Elizabeth Messenger's marriage is recorded in the Dec | Quarter in England... | | (The district Headington spans the boundaries of the counties of | Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire) | | Marriages Dec 1843 | | Surname First name(s) District Vol Page | | Hall Thomas Headington 16 149 | Messenger Elizabeth Headington 16 149 | | | Kind regards, | Sherrie. | | Sydney, NSW. | | | On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:24:30 +1100, trevor <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> wrote: | | > Sorry Ian, but I don't think there is a connection. | > | > My Eliza HALL was born ( about 1848)) at Belfast, Vic (now Port Fairy) | > and | > died in 1933. I know nothing of her antecedents at all (in the absence of | > certificates) except that I do know she was married to Walter Thomas | > PETERS, | > 21 March 1871, in Tarnagulla, Vic. | > | > It was her surviving children (PETERS) who moved to WA. I am not aware | > of | > her HALL family other than this. | > | > Wish I could have been of more help. | > | > Trevor | > | | | ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== | Threaded archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/aus-vic-goldfields

Hi Trevor, Looking at Eliza Hall's death in 1933, the rego states her parents are: Father: Thomas Hall Mother: Messenger From the Vic BDM's... a Thomas Hall & Elizabeth Messenger were having children Dunnolly & Burnt Creek Victoria from 1857 to 1965. (if you'd like the rest of the family let me know) Eliza's birth is not mentioned. This is just a stab in the dark, going on Eliza Hall being born in Vic 1848. A Thomas & Elizabeth Hall arrived in 1844. The actual passenger list should mention Elizabeth's maiden name.... Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page HALL ELIZABETH 21 FEB 1844 WALLACE 2/3 146 HALL THOMAS 22 FEB 1844 WALLACE 2/3 146 Elizabeth Hall (nee Messenger) died in Dunnolly 1899 age 76 = c.1823 Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Surname: HALL Given Names: Elizth Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Messenger Jno Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN Age: 76 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Dunolly Year: 1899 Reg. Number: 1447 Thomas HALL & Elizabeth Messenger's marriage is recorded in the Dec Quarter in England... (The district Headington spans the boundaries of the counties of Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire) Marriages Dec 1843 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Hall Thomas Headington 16 149 Messenger Elizabeth Headington 16 149 Kind regards, Sherrie. Sydney, NSW. On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:24:30 +1100, trevor <tjwilliams@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Sorry Ian, but I don't think there is a connection. > > My Eliza HALL was born ( about 1848)) at Belfast, Vic (now Port Fairy) > and > died in 1933. I know nothing of her antecedents at all (in the absence of > certificates) except that I do know she was married to Walter Thomas > PETERS, > 21 March 1871, in Tarnagulla, Vic. > > It was her surviving children (PETERS) who moved to WA. I am not aware > of > her HALL family other than this. > > Wish I could have been of more help. > > Trevor >

Hi List, I am researching James Redfearn. Prior to comimg to Australia was apprenticed to Sir Joseph Paxton and worked for the Duke of Devonshire, first at Chatsworth in Derbyshire and then at Lismore Castle in Ireland. He settled in Castlemaine. He named his house Chatsworth. His daughter Charlotte lived in Pascoe Vale and that house was also named Chatsworth. Yesterday a friend showed me a photo she had taken on holiday of a house called Chatsworth in the Hamilton area. Is there anything about this house in the above book? And if not does anyone have any suggestions of how I could find out whether there is a connection between James Redfearn's Chatsworth house and this one? Thank you and successful searching, Trish. Researching Hedges, Jones, Mathie, McNaughtan, Parker, Redfearn.

Rob wrote: > One question for ALL of you about the NAA site ... is there any way to > find out how many pages are in these records BEFORE ordering them? If you explore the site and click on appropriate click-throughs, it will tell you. That is how I know that John BYNON has 44 pages in his record! The fact that they are not viewable online can be changed... see below. > It's going to cost me about AU$28 per person for photocopies, but I > noticed on the prices page that it's only about 20 cents per page on > smallish sized records. I'm just wondering if perhaps it might be more > financially viable to just get "basic info" copied and order the full > records for people like Uncle Richie who I grew up with and would love to > read about, or direct ancestors. Anyone know if that's possible please? You have to make your own judgement about this, and decide how important it is for a particular person. I have some full records which don't really tell me much I didn't already know, but for others they have been invaluable. Bit of a punt, in other words. It also depends on whether or not a digital image is available. If the person concerned is long dead then it is likely that it could be made available. You usually have to request that a digital image be made and that could take several weeks or perhaps 3 or 4 months, unless there is some reason for it not to be made available, such as national security or privacy issues. You will see the option for requesting a digital image when you find the person in whom you are interested. Just click on the appropriate button to request the image and then wait for a long time! The NAA will not tell you when the image has been made available... you just have to go back and keep checking. Assuming that your request is approved, then it is cheaper for you to read the file online and then decide whether to print it off or order a photo copy. But, as I said, you will have to wait! I have found the National Archives and the War Memorial site to be invaluable. I now automatically search them for each individual who would have been eligible for war service and I quite often strike gold. The records include, for example, the Boer War and the Sudan, as well as WW1, WW2 and Korea. Don't forget the women of an age for service. Their records will be there too if they served with the forces. The NAA also contains many other items apart from War Service records. Just search by name and see what happens. For example, I have been researching the CARWARDINES of Bendigo. They had a soap and candle making business for many years. I found some applications for patents and trade marks simply by searching under the surname in the NAA. The searches also turned up War Service records that I hadn't found earlier. NAA and the National War Memorial are great sites! Explore them!. Trevor

Hi Graeme, There used to be a "Smith" machinery Manufacturer in Creswick Road Ballarat, they made farm machines etc. From memory they were where Office Works now stands, I can remember the old tin shed there. Dave in Ballarat At 07:30 PM 11/12/2005, Graeme Rummler wrote: >Hi All, > >I have in my possession an oval metal plate, some 10 “ wide (quite heavy) >with the following inscription ­ > >J. Smith Pty Ltd > >Maker > >Ballarat. > >I have searched Google with no success for Boilermakers in Ballarat and now >hope that someone from Ballarat may recognize the name and have some Hx on >this company. > >Any replies gratefully appreciated. > >Regards > >Graeme Rummler ­ Sunshine Coast, Queensland. > > > > > >All E-Mails Virus Scanned on Receiving & Sending by Nortons. > >sunfin@spiderweb.com.au > >Graeme: List Administrator for Rummler & Rumler at www.rootsweb.com > >The Australian & New Zealand Rumler surname was originally spelt as Rummler >from Reichenbach, Schlesien, Preussen. > >Rummler is a variation of the Low German, Dutch and Flemish nickname Rommel >from Middle Low German Rummeln = To make a noise or create a disturbance. >It was used to describe the Obstreperous person. Variaions include Rommele: >Rommler: Rumler: Rummel & Rummele etc etc. > >Schlesien surnames of interest: Rummler: Rümmler: Radeck: Weiss: Lampert: >Schmidt: Schnell: Suessmann: Keller: Elter: Hippe: Wuendisch: Marx: Brendel: >Fleissig: Hillgner: Heintz: Bauer: Gruender: Wiesner: Hoffmann plus many >many more to numerous to mention. > >Australian surnames of interest: Rumler: Rummler: Blackmore: Odgers: Davies: >Weightman: Wills: Wolfe: Sobey: Renkin: Hicks: Caddy: Jennings: Godfrey: >Watkins: Heinricksen: Gollop: Douglas: Reeves: Bray plus many more to >numerous to mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this mailing list send the word 'unsubscribe' in >the body of a message to AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Trish, I actually did some work on Redfearns house in Castlemaine and I also know that a lot of the headstones in the Franklinford cemetery were carved by him. The little cottage in Castlemaine had some beautiful stonework in it but was just a glorified miners cottage. It has a beautiful hexagonal bluestone chimney on which he had carved the date he reached Australia and some vandal had climbed on the roof and eradicated the dates. Sad. Attached is a pic of one of the headstones in Franklinford. The house is up for sale now by the way. Regards Les On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:55:10 +1100, Trish Poock <trishu3a@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Hi List, > > I am researching James Redfearn. Prior to comimg to Australia was > apprenticed to Sir Joseph Paxton and worked for the Duke of Devonshire, > first at Chatsworth in Derbyshire and then at Lismore Castle in Ireland. > He > settled in Castlemaine. He named his house Chatsworth. His daughter > Charlotte lived in Pascoe Vale and that house was also named Chatsworth. > Yesterday a friend showed me a photo she had taken on holiday of a house > called Chatsworth in the Hamilton area. > Is there anything about this house in the above book? And if not does > anyone > have any suggestions of how I could find out whether there is a > connection > between James Redfearn's Chatsworth house and this one? > > Thank you and successful searching, > Trish. > > > Researching Hedges, Jones, Mathie, McNaughtan, Parker, Redfearn. > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb and help it support genealogy > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > >

Thank you to all the listers who took the time to verify the Inquest number--and for the offers of further help if needed. Very much appreciated! Cheers Evanie Clack

Robyn, for your John Thomas BYNON, I suppose that you have checked the World War 1 Nominal and Embarkation Rolls at the Australian War Memorial site? He gets a mention, and so does his wife Ruby. Their address at the time of him enlisting is 23 Dickens-street, Carlton. He enlisted as a Sapper. Search http://www.awm.gov.au/database/nroll.asp. His full service record of 44 pages is in the National Archives. You can request that a digital copy be made available on line, but it might be quicker to order a photocopy (and pay for it!) This record might give some of the details you are after, but is not always guaranteed. Try searching http://www.naa.gov.au/. hth Trevor Check ----- Original Message ----- From: Robyn Leeds To: trevor ; AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Burial records "maybe she is in the same grave as her husband and there was no one around to bother about adding her name to the headstone." Hi Trevor :) I have this exact situation with one of my own ancestors, buried at Fawkner. John Thomas BYNON is buried on his own, or so you would think from his headstone. On his headstone it reads 504 2/Corporal J.T. Bynon 2 Tunnelling Company, 21st February 1929 ACE 4-6 (or is that 4.6?). I have no idea what the "ACE" part means which is why I typed that in full. If anyone else knows, can you please inform me? Ta muchly! :D Here's a photo of it anyway ... http://www.honeyshome.com/oz/jpg_A_086.htm Anyway, that's all that's on his headstone, but according to Fawkner records which I'd searched online before we headed down to Oz last March, his wife Ruby Beatrice IS buried with him, but no mention of her on the headstone!! Now the REALLY weird part is that Ruby died in 1926 and John died in 1929, so why wasn't HER name on the headstone and not HIS?!?!? Hmmmmmmmmm ... the plot thickens!! ;D Now if one of John and Ruby's descendants would just find my website and contact me, maybe I'll one day have the answer to this little mystery. And that's why I personally think publishing your tree on your own website is an excellent idea. I've had so many cousins contact me via my website and because of it I've received a heap of information, given back more than I was given AND corrected errors. I'm VERY happy I bought my own domain and upload updated trees on a regular basis!! :D Take care, Rob.