The $17.50 cert one downloads from Vic BDM appear to be scans from the original registers. I have one full page of Births from Geelong, 1880, which has five births detailed. Of these, three Informants (including my g-g-grandmother) have signed with a Mark. Of the two Informants who have actually signed, one is the baby's 10 year old sister. All the details on the page have been written in the same hand (beautiful writing, but so tiny!), with the signature of the Deputy Register in different handwriting. It would seem that the Registry Office clerk asked the Informant for the details, wrote them up and then turned the book over to the Informant for signature, or mark, the clerk then writing the name around the Mark. I'm not sure my g-g-grandmother could spell either. Our surname is spelt in a variety of ways on earlier registrations. Barbara

I'd agree.. I think the person reporting the event went to the local registrar who wrote it down - and sent off that very piece of paper to the BDM office in Melbourne. It is not like the English system.. The original certs seem to come in batches from the regional offices, you can pick the various handwriting or dirty typewriter! That is not to say they did not make scrappy notes but it does not appear to be so from the few I have seen - they are always on the official forms. The original certs as held at BDM office are on line so you can view them - call up a few consecutive numbers and you should see what I mean. Sadly they cost $17.50 per cert to do so! Dawn (Melbourne) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of robert.j Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2008 7:12 PM To: Chris Ward Cc: 'Warwick & Barbara'; [email protected] Subject: Re: Original birth registrations hi, I can't really be sure - but I think the answer is no - nothing remains except what you may obtain from the Victorian BDM office - in the meantime - how about posting the names and let some of us consider what may have occured - who knows some of us may be related to one of the 4 people of interest. remember that in the early days a lot of misspelling occured - due mainly to often heavy accents, lack of education, and generally poor communication - and thats just the clerks recording the information .. good luck - please post the names - some around here may be able to help cheers Robert Chris Ward wrote: > Hello List, > > > > Mine is a general query concerning birth registration in the Miners Rest > area between 1869 and 1883. > > > > I am assuming that the actual registration was done at a local office in > Ballarat and then a copy or transcript was forwarded to Melbourne for the > "formal" registration. I do realise my assumption could be inaccurate. > > > > However, if this is the case I'm wondering if those original registrations > can be accessed. I have four births where there is information that could > have been mis-transcribed from the information originally proved. > > > > I guess another way of asking the same question is - Was there both a > district registration record and a state registration record. > > > > I'm afraid I'm an uninformed South Australian who does NOT support the Crows > or the Power(less) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Chris > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 3230 (20080701) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

hi, I can't really be sure - but I think the answer is no - nothing remains except what you may obtain from the Victorian BDM office - in the meantime - how about posting the names and let some of us consider what may have occured - who knows some of us may be related to one of the 4 people of interest. remember that in the early days a lot of misspelling occured - due mainly to often heavy accents, lack of education, and generally poor communication - and thats just the clerks recording the information .. good luck - please post the names - some around here may be able to help cheers Robert Chris Ward wrote: > Hello List, > > > > Mine is a general query concerning birth registration in the Miners Rest > area between 1869 and 1883. > > > > I am assuming that the actual registration was done at a local office in > Ballarat and then a copy or transcript was forwarded to Melbourne for the > "formal" registration. I do realise my assumption could be inaccurate. > > > > However, if this is the case I'm wondering if those original registrations > can be accessed. I have four births where there is information that could > have been mis-transcribed from the information originally proved. > > > > I guess another way of asking the same question is - Was there both a > district registration record and a state registration record. > > > > I'm afraid I'm an uninformed South Australian who does NOT support the Crows > or the Power(less) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Chris > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello List, Mine is a general query concerning birth registration in the Miners Rest area between 1869 and 1883. I am assuming that the actual registration was done at a local office in Ballarat and then a copy or transcript was forwarded to Melbourne for the "formal" registration. I do realise my assumption could be inaccurate. However, if this is the case I'm wondering if those original registrations can be accessed. I have four births where there is information that could have been mis-transcribed from the information originally proved. I guess another way of asking the same question is - Was there both a district registration record and a state registration record. I'm afraid I'm an uninformed South Australian who does NOT support the Crows or the Power(less) Regards, Chris

Dear Listers I am researching the Pascoe, Shugg, Bursill, Treloar, Trevithick and Robinson families who settled in the Maryborough and Avoca areas in mid 1800’s. I’ve been researching the Cornish roots of these families, primarily from the Helston, Sithney, Breage and Wendron Parishes. I have a few digitized portraits of the early pioneers, from the Shugg, Bursill and Pascoe families, and am interested to find portraits and other early images relating to these families. Happy to share information, BMD’s. Regards, Rowena Gough No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1527 - Release Date: 30/06/2008 6:07 PM

The reference number is 1352. There are no details at all in the index. Regards, Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norman Archibald Sent: Monday, 30 June 2008 3:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Victorian inquests Dear listers, Could someone on the list do a look-up for me please. I am looking for record of an inquest into the death of a William REYNOLDS who is perported to have disappeared down a mine shaft in the Sebastopol area in 1894. Norm. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Norm,  No there was no inquest unfortunately, so looks like we will have to go through the newspapers to try and find a reference to it.  Still a negative tells us something. Tia ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman Archibald <[email protected]> To: Tia McCombes <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 9:31:22 AM Subject: Re: Victorian inquests - thank you Tia, was there an inquest for your missing Johannes.?? Norm. Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail

Dear listers, Could someone on the list do a look-up for me please. I am looking for record of an inquest into the death of a William REYNOLDS who is perported to have disappeared down a mine shaft in the Sebastopol area in 1894. Norm.

I would like to thank Mary and Chris for their excellent help over my query.  Tia in Canberra ----- Original Message ---- From: Tia McCombes <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 6:16:08 AM Subject: Re: Victorian inquests Well I never thought of inquests for people possibly falling down mine shafts!  Would there only be an inquest if they found the body? There I was last night having just sent an e-mail to a distant cousin about her ancestor who apparently disappeared one night after having had a bit of a drinking session at the local pub.  It was believed that he had fallen down a mine shaft and apparently a search had been instituted for him, but he was never found.  We were discussing newspapers etc as there doesn't appear to be a death record for him, then the very next post to the list was some one asking about Inquest record for somone who had fallen down a mine shaft.  It's a small world! As a long shot could some one do a look up in the inquest index for me for a Johannes Volk around 1891. Thank you so much Tia in Canberra Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail

Well I never thought of inquests for people possibly falling down mine shafts!  Would there only be an inquest if they found the body? There I was last night having just sent an e-mail to a distant cousin about her ancestor who apparently disappeared one night after having had a bit of a drinking session at the local pub.  It was believed that he had fallen down a mine shaft and apparently a search had been instituted for him, but he was never found.  We were discussing newspapers etc as there doesn't appear to be a death record for him, then the very next post to the list was some one asking about Inquest record for somone who had fallen down a mine shaft.  It's a small world! As a long shot could some one do a look up in the inquest index for me for a Johannes Volk around 1891. Thank you so much Tia in Canberra ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Ward <[email protected]> To: Norman Archibald <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 6:18:06 PM Subject: RE: Victorian inquests The reference number is 1352.  There are no details at all in the index. Regards, Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norman Archibald Sent: Monday, 30 June 2008 3:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Victorian inquests Dear listers, Could someone on the list do a look-up for me please. I am looking for record of an inquest into the death of a William REYNOLDS who is perported to have disappeared down a mine shaft in the Sebastopol area in 1894. Norm. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail

Well I never thought of inquests for people possibly falling down mine shafts!  Would there only be an inquest if they found the body? There I was last night having just sent an e-mail to a distant cousin about her ancestor who apparently disappeared one night after having had a bit of a drinking session at the local pub.  It was believed that he had fallen down a mine shaft and apparently a search had been instituted for him, but he was never found.  We were discussing newspapers etc as there doesn't appear to be a death record for him, then the very next post to the list was some one asking about Inquest record for somone who had fallen down a mine shaft.  It's a small world! As a long shot could some one do a look up in the inquest index for me for a Johannes Volk around 1891. Thank you so much Tia in Canberra ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Ward <[email protected]> To: Norman Archibald <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 6:18:06 PM Subject: RE: Victorian inquests The reference number is 1352.  There are no details at all in the index. Regards, Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norman Archibald Sent: Monday, 30 June 2008 3:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Victorian inquests Dear listers, Could someone on the list do a look-up for me please. I am looking for record of an inquest into the death of a William REYNOLDS who is perported to have disappeared down a mine shaft in the Sebastopol area in 1894. Norm. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail

Hello Listers, Is there anyone on the board interested in: R.SAUNDERS of Victoria House, Golden Square Bendigo, a draper established from 1870? Contact me Regards Ada Ackerly

On 28 Jun 2008 at 17:38, Norman Archibald wrote: > Dear listers, > Is there anyone on the list who are researching the HUEGE De SERVILLE name.? > As far as I know, the family were in the Ballarat area in the mid to late 1800`s. > Norm. > Norm, It is very likely that Paul de Serville, the author of "Port Phillip Gentleman" and "Pounds and Pedigrees" is descended or related to the family. I would suggest that you look at the books for information. Definitely would be available in the Genealogical Society of Victoria or the Royal Historical Society of Victoria If you are struggling for details, then I would suggest that a letter to him care of the GSV or RHSV and they would redirect it to him. Regards, Andrew

> >Greetings David, > >Below is the information you require on the Bullock Creek Cemetery. >Bullock Creek rises in the hills near Harcourt and wends it's way to Kow >Swamp near Kerang via Ravenswood, Lockwood South, Lockwood, Marong etc. etc. > >In the summer of 1851/2 when the Bendigo Goldfields were discovered >Bendigo like now, was in drought so the miners camped along Bullock Creek >and bought their wash dirt back there from Long Gully and other parts >of the Bendigo Field. It was at that time a permanent water supply. > > The Marong Cemetery was known in early days as Bullock Creek Cemetery. >Richard Oates co-finder of the worlds largest gold nugget (The Welcome >Stranger ) is buried there. > >We have photographed all the headstones and with the Burial Register have >placed them on a CD along with the Lockwood Cemetery. >This CD is available at the GSV bookshop and the Library have a copy for >research. > >The entries for Maria Howard are listed below: > >HOWARDMaria18 mths2/07/1862of Sailors Gully54NIR054 >HOWARDMartha Maria40 yrs 9/09/1862of Sailors Gully57NIR057 >HOWARDMartha Maria6 weeks 17/10/186219/10/1862of Sailors Gully59NIR059 > >Neering was the original name for Sailors Gully which could be best >described as a suburb of Eaglehawk and is only about 15KM's from Marong. > >It was a very rich part of the Bendigo Goldfields and quite a lot of our >Cornish Mining ancestors lived there. > >We are just completing a CD of the Eaglehawk Cemetery Monumental Section >which should be released in about a week to 10 days. > >David we hope this helps you in your research ? > >Best wishes...Tom and Libby.

The speech of many of these people would cause confusion, as they probably spoke in regional dialects which varied from county to county and different countries. Shirley

The style of handwriting of the signatures for both Henry and Emily is consistent throughout - even down to Emily's first marriage in 1852 in Sydney to James Gulliford. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmel M Reynen" <[email protected]> To: "'Christine Warren'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: RE: possible reasons for giving different surnames > Christine, > With the signatures are they always the same? I would be guessing that > they > have not actually filled out the forms but verbally given the name and the > registrar has put his slant on the name. Or maybe they were not all that > fussed on the spelling of their name and near enough was good enough! > A bit frustrating but at least you have a trail, many people get precious > about the spelling then wonder why they cannot find people. > Carmel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine > Warren > Sent: Sunday, 29 June, 2008 1:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: possible reasons for giving different surnames > > Looking for some ideas as to why people would purposely give variations on > a > name when registering births? Or were names, like ages, not as important > as > they are now? > > My great great grandparents had children born from the mid 1850s to the > mid > 1870s at a range of places on the Victorian goldfields. > His name is Henry Hyams - but this was not a name he used when registering > a > child until 1871. In each case the name was very purposefully signed by > either Henry or his wife Emily when the birth was registered and the > signatures do not suggest they could not write or spell their names. > Henry was not registered for the 1856 electoral roll so I assume he had no > Miner's Right. When I discovered he was a convict late last year I > thought > perhaps he'd absconded but he served his whole sentence in Tasmania, > including punishment time at Port Arthur, but had finished his sentence in > 1851. > > In 1855 it was Hyands and his occupation was gold miner, as it was in 1857 > when his occupation was gold digger. > In 1859 it was Hynds, occupation miner. > In 1860 it was back to Hyands, occupation miner. > In 1863 and 1865 it was Hynds, occupation miner. > In 1868 it was Hyms, occupation miner. > Two unregistered children of Emily (possibly not Henry's) gave the surname > Hymes when they married in 1869. > In 1871 and 1873 he was Hyams, occupation farmer. (Inglewood) > > When he married Emily in 1880 he was Hyam, occupation miner and when he > died > in 1883 he was Hyams, occupation miner. > > Any ideas would be gratefully received. > Christine > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1524 - Release Date: 28/06/2008 7:42 PM

Christine, With the signatures are they always the same? I would be guessing that they have not actually filled out the forms but verbally given the name and the registrar has put his slant on the name. Or maybe they were not all that fussed on the spelling of their name and near enough was good enough! A bit frustrating but at least you have a trail, many people get precious about the spelling then wonder why they cannot find people. Carmel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Warren Sent: Sunday, 29 June, 2008 1:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: possible reasons for giving different surnames Looking for some ideas as to why people would purposely give variations on a name when registering births? Or were names, like ages, not as important as they are now? My great great grandparents had children born from the mid 1850s to the mid 1870s at a range of places on the Victorian goldfields. His name is Henry Hyams - but this was not a name he used when registering a child until 1871. In each case the name was very purposefully signed by either Henry or his wife Emily when the birth was registered and the signatures do not suggest they could not write or spell their names. Henry was not registered for the 1856 electoral roll so I assume he had no Miner's Right. When I discovered he was a convict late last year I thought perhaps he'd absconded but he served his whole sentence in Tasmania, including punishment time at Port Arthur, but had finished his sentence in 1851. In 1855 it was Hyands and his occupation was gold miner, as it was in 1857 when his occupation was gold digger. In 1859 it was Hynds, occupation miner. In 1860 it was back to Hyands, occupation miner. In 1863 and 1865 it was Hynds, occupation miner. In 1868 it was Hyms, occupation miner. Two unregistered children of Emily (possibly not Henry's) gave the surname Hymes when they married in 1869. In 1871 and 1873 he was Hyams, occupation farmer. (Inglewood) When he married Emily in 1880 he was Hyam, occupation miner and when he died in 1883 he was Hyams, occupation miner. Any ideas would be gratefully received. Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for some ideas as to why people would purposely give variations on a name when registering births? Or were names, like ages, not as important as they are now? My great great grandparents had children born from the mid 1850s to the mid 1870s at a range of places on the Victorian goldfields. His name is Henry Hyams - but this was not a name he used when registering a child until 1871. In each case the name was very purposefully signed by either Henry or his wife Emily when the birth was registered and the signatures do not suggest they could not write or spell their names. Henry was not registered for the 1856 electoral roll so I assume he had no Miner's Right. When I discovered he was a convict late last year I thought perhaps he'd absconded but he served his whole sentence in Tasmania, including punishment time at Port Arthur, but had finished his sentence in 1851. In 1855 it was Hyands and his occupation was gold miner, as it was in 1857 when his occupation was gold digger. In 1859 it was Hynds, occupation miner. In 1860 it was back to Hyands, occupation miner. In 1863 and 1865 it was Hynds, occupation miner. In 1868 it was Hyms, occupation miner. Two unregistered children of Emily (possibly not Henry's) gave the surname Hymes when they married in 1869. In 1871 and 1873 he was Hyams, occupation farmer. (Inglewood) When he married Emily in 1880 he was Hyam, occupation miner and when he died in 1883 he was Hyams, occupation miner. Any ideas would be gratefully received. Christine

Hi Christine Back in the old days, most people couldn't read or write or spell their own name (as it is often found on certificates by his or her mark instead of a signature), so it depended on the person at the registry office who wrote the information down as to what they thought was the right way it should or could have been spelt. With people coming from all over the world to the goldfields area and with different dialects and accents, it would also be spelt how the registrar heard it too. Some of the non-english names can have a lot of varied variants and some would look nothing like how it should have been spelt in the native language of the speaker. Regards Faye -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Christine Warren" <[email protected]> Gesendet: 29.06.08 05:33:51 An: <[email protected]> Betreff: possible reasons for giving different surnames Looking for some ideas as to why people would purposely give variations on a name when registering births? Or were names, like ages, not as important as they are now? My great great grandparents had children born from the mid 1850s to the mid 1870s at a range of places on the Victorian goldfields. His name is Henry Hyams - but this was not a name he used when registering a child until 1871. In each case the name was very purposefully signed by either Henry or his wife Emily when the birth was registered and the signatures do not suggest they could not write or spell their names. Henry was not registered for the 1856 electoral roll so I assume he had no Miner's Right. When I discovered he was a convict late last year I thought perhaps he'd absconded but he served his whole sentence in Tasmania, including punishment time at Port Arthur, but had finished his sentence in 1851. In 1855 it was Hyands and his occupation was gold miner, as it was in 1857 when his occupation was gold digger. In 1859 it was Hynds, occupation miner. In 1860 it was back to Hyands, occupation miner. In 1863 and 1865 it was Hynds, occupation miner. In 1868 it was Hyms, occupation miner. Two unregistered children of Emily (possibly not Henry's) gave the surname Hymes when they married in 1869. In 1871 and 1873 he was Hyams, occupation farmer. (Inglewood) When he married Emily in 1880 he was Hyam, occupation miner and when he died in 1883 he was Hyams, occupation miner. Any ideas would be gratefully received. Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ In 5 Schritten zur eigenen Homepage. Jetzt Domain sichern und gestalten! Nur 3,99 EUR/Monat! http://www.maildomain.web.de/?mc=021114

Hi, I'm not researching the family - maybe this info will help you? the marriage of the couple - she from Ireland and he from Geneva. Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: DOHERTY Given Names: Grace Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: DESERVILLE Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rudolph Huige Age: Sex: Birth Place: IRELAND Death Place: Year: 1866 Reg Number: 2941 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: DESERVILLE Given Names: Rudolph Huige Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: DOHERTY Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Grace Age: Sex: Birth Place: GENEVA Death Place: Year: 1866 Reg Number: 2941 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: ........................................................ birth of child 1867 Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: DE SERVILLE Given Names: Arthur Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Rudolph Heuge Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Grace DOHERTY Age: Sex: Birth Place: BALLARAT Death Place: Year: 1867 Reg Number: 6067 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: ........................................................... this looks like the death of Rudolph although if the age is correct then he must have been almost old enough to be Grace's father. Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Surname: DE SERVILLE Given Names: Randolph Auege Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: De Serville Antonio Huege Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Bertha Cath STOLTZ Age: 81 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Cauld Year: 1901 Reg. Number: 9064 ............................................................. this looks like the death of Grace; Digger - Edwardian Index. Victoria 1902-1913 Surname: DE SERVILLE Given Names: Grace Huege Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Doherty Patk Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Grace MCCANT Age: 66 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Cauld Year: 1911 Reg. Number: 8264 there were a number of people with the surname marrying late in the 1800s - and they were all from New Zealand - were they children or grandchildren of Grace and Rudolph? - I feel there is a chance that Rudolph and Grace went to NZ to have some children - maybe almost immediately after 1867? - and then returned some years later? Anyhow .. good luck cheers Robert Norman Archibald wrote: > Dear listers, > Is there anyone on the list who are researching the HUEGE De SERVILLE name.? > As far as I know, the family were in the Ballarat area in the mid to late 1800`s. > Norm. > >