A really good account of the rise and fall of a particular goldfield town, Lamplough, can be found at http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Eadhs/Article.html, but I think we can confidently expect that the picture painted would have been replicated many times, in connection with other rushes. As for Lamplough today, you need to keep your eyes peeled or you'll miss it completely - a small sign at the side of the road, but nothing visible from the road itself other than fences and grass! Cheers Graham Lewis Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jenny De Angelis Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2008 9:18 AM To: AUS VIC GOLDFIELDS Subject: Living Conditions on goldfields Where can I find out what the living conditions would have been like on the goldfields at California Gully around the time the DeAngelis family arrived between 1856-1858? I imagine it would have been pretty rough and ready but just how rough and ready would that have been? Any information on how I can find out more on this aspect of the people and how they lived at that time would be welcome. Another question I have is about how long would the journey from London have taken? Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jenny, Although it covers four years earlier than your dates, there is a book "A Lady's Visit to the Gold Diggings of Australia in 1852 - 53" by Mrs Charles Clacy that you can read online at the University of Sydney site http://purl.library.usyd.edu.au/setis/id/p00057 It also covers the voyage out as well. Just download the PDF ebook of the text. Best regards, Julie in Cairns mailto:[email protected] JDA> Where can I find out what the living conditions would have been like on the JDA> goldfields at California Gully around the time the DeAngelis family arrived JDA> between 1856-1858? I imagine it would have been pretty rough and ready but JDA> just how rough and ready would that have been? JDA> Any information on how I can find out more on this aspect of the people and JDA> how they lived at that time would be welcome. JDA> Another question I have is about how long would the journey from London have JDA> taken? JDA> Regards JDA> Jenny DeAngelis JDA> Spain. --

Where can I find out what the living conditions would have been like on the goldfields at California Gully around the time the DeAngelis family arrived between 1856-1858? I imagine it would have been pretty rough and ready but just how rough and ready would that have been? Any information on how I can find out more on this aspect of the people and how they lived at that time would be welcome. Another question I have is about how long would the journey from London have taken? Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain.

Since I wrote my message to the list earlier on this evening I have been searching the list archives, should have done so before writing. I found the details of the baptism of Salvatore Sydney DeAngelis and the details about the church of St. Kilians California Gully. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain.

HI, I was subscribed to this list about 5 years ago and received some valuable help with my husband's Gt. Gt. Grandfather Antonio DeAngelis and family that arrived in California Gully sometime between 1856 and 1858, he and his wife Mary Elizabeth Murphy had a son born in April 1858 with this address, I have the birth registration copy from the Victoria registrars office. Someone back in 2003 sent me details of the baptism at St. K?, probably St. Killians church for Salvatore Sydney DeAngelis in 1858 but I have lost the details, I recall being sent a picture of the church too but have also lost that, I seem to recall it having a corrugate iron roof but could be wrong. My old computer played up and lost several items. I would be grateful if anyone can send me the details of that baptism again. The DeAngelis family did not stop too long in Australia as I have them back in the East End of London in the 1861 census where Antonio is shown to have been back in his old occupation of seaman. Obviously didn't make his fortune in gold! Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain.

For any interested, > My handout with my talk on VPRS 7933/P1 "Non-Issued Probates & Admins" > includes: Can't find a name for probate or administration? > Consider: > No Assets in Victoria. (May have sold off property, may have mortgaged > the property and not paid off the calls for interest, etc, so lost > control, may have placed the property with trustees for the future > benefit of family members, etc) > No application made at time of death (I've seen applications up to 80 > years after the death of the original owner). > Could be an "entailed" estate, where the original owner of the > property willed the property to the "eldest son of the eldest son" in > perpetuity. Thus the property is not able to be left in a will > subsequently, but automatically passes to "the eldest son of the > eldest son". Most of these estates were "disentailed" from about the > 1960s when several Trustee Companies which controlled these estates > went to the wall owing millions. > The name on the "Grant Index" may be mis-spelled. > The deceased may have lived under an alias, or purchased land under an > alias... if you can find the alias you find the property. > The clerk may have mis-indexed the particulars (rare, but I have seen > a second given name indexed as the surname.. I admit only once) > > One should check the LAND TITLE files for a property if there is a > missing will. A copy will with a record of the trustees appointed to > control the land is usually filed with the title deeds. > > One should check the files of the Equity Courts: > e.g.VPRS 12025/P1 for 1852-1886 and > VPRS 12024/p1 for 1886-1922 > Here will be recorded appointment of guardians for children and > trustees to oversee the estate, applications by widows to gain money > for maintenance out of an estate, etc Quite often I have been unable > to find probate/admin for these families. Also check my index to "Non-Issued Probates & Admins" > Indexes to these courts are at the VPRO, in the reference shelves > under "Courts" where several of my indexes can be found.. centre > aisle, to the left as you face the window, last booth near the window, > about chest height. I hope the archives staff have put my latest index > with the "court" indexes by the time you read this. I have also donated these "non-issued" indexes to the GSV, and I believe members can request a "lookup" by research staff? Not sure if there is a fee? (less for members?). I've never asked. > There!! It can be a complicated business, deceased property, with no > visible connections between the probates and the courts, each > conducting their business as though the other arms and decisions never > existed! That's the reason I have been sorting and indexing such files > for the past 20 years. > > Regards Ada >

> Hello Chris ans others interested, > > Local registrations were filled out on the supplied pre-printed > sheets. The local registration number appears in the far left gutter, > outside the printed section. > > Every three months these sheets were forwarded to the office of the > Registrar General, where the districts were arranged in alphabetical > order, and the central registry number for that year was stamped in > the central gutter, between the two pre-printed halves. They were then > entered into the hand-written alpha index. > > The first entry for the year would be # 001. Each quarter the sheets > were sent in, put together in the same way and numbered consecutively. > When the last sheet was numbered, they were all bound into a volume > for that year, and the new year began, again, with # 001. > > Local registrars kept a small exercise book in which they entered, > usually, the surname > e.g. for Werribee in 1902, thus: > Cunningham Mary Margaret 1081, Julia Cecilia 1130, Thomas Gregory > 1244, Agnes Catherine ..... > e.g. Amherst , thus: > "Monthly reports" Birth reg No., place of birth, date, sex BUT NO NAMES! > e.g. Amherst, 1879, thus > Reg number, name, area where born > e.g. Koroit, thus: > No dates, full name and registration number > e.g.The Springs 1861, thus: > John, son of Thomas and Susan Smith, no number, no date. > e.g. Talbot 1885, thus: > reg number, name. > > I gained these from VPRS 3653 "Country Registration Books" Most books > are local indexes to deaths. Only a representative number of books > with names of districts are found in these nine LARGE and very heavy > boxes. Many books do not name the district. Years ago I managed, by > reference to the birth indexes on microfiche to name and date some of > these books, but I decided my time could be better spent on another > project I was then involved with. > > As you can see, not much info was kept at the local level. I only > listed Box 5: Birth books forAmhurst Talbot Mornington Koroit > Mansfield The Springs Lethbridge Smythes Creek, Smythesdale Inglewood > Werribee Kerang Shepparton Wyndham Warrnambool Shepparton Seymour all > these in box 5 > > Box 2 has Geelong births up to 1954 (Shush, don't let that out or > they'll be removed!) > Box 1 has Bendigo births to 1933 (Shush with these, too) > > You'll need big muscles and long arms to lift & get into the bottom of > the boxes! > > Regards, Ada Ackerly > > > Chris Ward wrote: >> Hello List, >> >> >> >> Mine is a general query concerning birth registration in the Miners Rest >> area between 1869 and 1883. >> >> >> >> I am assuming that the actual registration was done at a local office in >> Ballarat and then a copy or transcript was forwarded to Melbourne for >> the >> "formal" registration. I do realise my assumption could be inaccurate. >> >> >> >> However, if this is the case I'm wondering if those original >> registrations >> can be accessed. I have four births where there is information that >> could >> have been mis-transcribed from the information originally proved. >> >> >> >> I guess another way of asking the same question is - Was there both a >> district registration record and a state registration record. >> >> >> >> I'm afraid I'm an uninformed South Australian who does NOT support >> the Crows >> or the Power(less) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Ada Ackerly wrote: > Hi There, > > It is also a fact of the times that it was the Ship Captains who were > evading the ten pound impost, not the Chinese passengers... one > captain was caught off-loading his chinese passengers on the coast of > Port Phillip Bay to evade the payment.. after all, it was the captain > who was bringing them into the country... in the same way as the > captains were fined for bringing any convicts from Tasmania into > Victoria, I think that was 100 pounds fine. > > When we were transcribing the passengers inwards to Melbourne, some > lazy captains just listed "300 Chinese" no names > And on a ship owned crewed and captained by Germans, the Chinese names > were listed in phonetic german.... try to make something resembling a > chinese name from THAT list!!! > > Regards Ada > > robert.j wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm sure others will be more knowledgeable on this - hopefully >> they'll add their comments .. >> >> Here's my understanding - >> >> way back when during the gold rush days of the 1850s?? the government >> and others becameconcerned that there were too many orientals >> arriving in Geelong or Melbourne and then heading off to the >> Victorian goldfields. >> >> In an attempt to restrict the number of orientals landing in Victoria >> the government imposed a fee on oriental arrivals - intended to deter >> orientals - hard to say how well it worked. >> >> However, resourceful and hard working - many of the orientals arrived >> in South Australia - and avoided the Victorian landing charge - many >> would have landed at Robe. The orientals then made there way overland >> from South Australia - some on wagons or carts and many on shanks >> pony (that is they walked). >> >> So if Oseen doesn't appear in the indexes for arrivals in Victoria >> then I'm guessing that if the records survive there is a chance >> Oseen's arrival will be recorded in some South Australian passenger >> list. >> >> good luck >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> PJN wrote: >> >>> Good Afternoon Listers, >>> We have overwhelmed by the responses, and suggestions to our plea for >>> assistance with our James Oseen, who we now believe to be HAU/HOU Xin. >>> We now are interested in finding more about our HAU Xin who was born >>> in Amoy >>> about 1827. His father's name we think was HAU Chung. >>> We know that he married Emily BASS in 1858 Castlemaine, and Margaret >>> Mowbray Black in 1862 Eaglehawk -both close to Specimen Creek where >>> he was a >>> storekeeper..... however, his means of travelling to Australia and >>> his point >>> of entry remain unanswered questions. >>> HAU Xin died in 1868 and is buried in Campbells Creek >>> cemetery....does any >>> lister have access to this cemetery, or have a photo of the grave of >>> James >>> OSEEN.../HAU Xin? >>> We have downloaded both marriage certificates, the death >>> certificate, the >>> entry from the Eaglehawk and District Pioneers Register Volume 4, >>> and the >>> only photo that we have: daughter Harriet OSEEN later known as Harriet >>> CROSSLEY with her NICHOLLS grandchildren. >>> Are there any listers interested in this family, or perhaps able to >>> expand >>> our knowledge?. >>> We are exceedingly appreciative of all assistance both on Rootsweb, >>> and on >>> Chinese Genealogy >>> With best wishes >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Have you checked with the Golden Dragon Museum in Bendigo? They may be able to help out. http://www.goldendragonmuseum.org/ E-mail: [email protected] Barbara

Hi, I'm sure others will be more knowledgeable on this - hopefully they'll add their comments .. Here's my understanding - way back when during the gold rush days of the 1850s?? the government and others becameconcerned that there were too many orientals arriving in Geelong or Melbourne and then heading off to the Victorian goldfields. In an attempt to restrict the number of orientals landing in Victoria the government imposed a fee on oriental arrivals - intended to deter orientals - hard to say how well it worked. However, resourceful and hard working - many of the orientals arrived in South Australia - and avoided the Victorian landing charge - many would have landed at Robe. The orientals then made there way overland from South Australia - some on wagons or carts and many on shanks pony (that is they walked). So if Oseen doesn't appear in the indexes for arrivals in Victoria then I'm guessing that if the records survive there is a chance Oseen's arrival will be recorded in some South Australian passenger list. good luck Robert PJN wrote: > Good Afternoon Listers, > We have overwhelmed by the responses, and suggestions to our plea for > assistance with our James Oseen, who we now believe to be HAU/HOU Xin. > We now are interested in finding more about our HAU Xin who was born in Amoy > about 1827. His father's name we think was HAU Chung. > We know that he married Emily BASS in 1858 Castlemaine, and Margaret > Mowbray Black in 1862 Eaglehawk -both close to Specimen Creek where he was a > storekeeper..... however, his means of travelling to Australia and his point > of entry remain unanswered questions. > HAU Xin died in 1868 and is buried in Campbells Creek cemetery....does any > lister have access to this cemetery, or have a photo of the grave of James > OSEEN.../HAU Xin? > We have downloaded both marriage certificates, the death certificate, the > entry from the Eaglehawk and District Pioneers Register Volume 4, and the > only photo that we have: daughter Harriet OSEEN later known as Harriet > CROSSLEY with her NICHOLLS grandchildren. > Are there any listers interested in this family, or perhaps able to expand > our knowledge?. > We are exceedingly appreciative of all assistance both on Rootsweb, and on > Chinese Genealogy > With best wishes > >

Good Afternoon Listers, We have overwhelmed by the responses, and suggestions to our plea for assistance with our James Oseen, who we now believe to be HAU/HOU Xin. We now are interested in finding more about our HAU Xin who was born in Amoy about 1827. His father's name we think was HAU Chung. We know that he married Emily BASS in 1858 Castlemaine, and Margaret Mowbray Black in 1862 Eaglehawk -both close to Specimen Creek where he was a storekeeper..... however, his means of travelling to Australia and his point of entry remain unanswered questions. HAU Xin died in 1868 and is buried in Campbells Creek cemetery....does any lister have access to this cemetery, or have a photo of the grave of James OSEEN.../HAU Xin? We have downloaded both marriage certificates, the death certificate, the entry from the Eaglehawk and District Pioneers Register Volume 4, and the only photo that we have: daughter Harriet OSEEN later known as Harriet CROSSLEY with her NICHOLLS grandchildren. Are there any listers interested in this family, or perhaps able to expand our knowledge?. We are exceedingly appreciative of all assistance both on Rootsweb, and on Chinese Genealogy With best wishes -- Pamela in Victoria, Australia Visit our family connections at: http://oysterfisher.tribalpages.com Contact us: [email protected] [email protected]

Hi Johnno I did find a few of the siblings registered: John Daylesford 1864 (reg no 14667) Ellen (Carolam) Kyneton 1867 (reg no 2820) Joseph (Carolin) Eganstown 1870 (reg no 15531) Frances (Carolin) 1873 (reg no 2205) and Daniel 1879 (reg no 8930) Haven't tracked down Thomas (abt 1861), Catherine Mary (abt 1863), Margaret (1870-72), Charles (abt 1772) - it seems strange that some would be registered and some not, don't you think? Kind regards Stephanie Yep. I put in a bit of a shocker there. My apologies to all. I also have an ancestor who it seems never got registered - I guess at times people were too busy getting on with the business of survival to bother complying. But you never know, something may turn up one day. Cheers, Johnno. jstt at alphalink dot com dot au

Good evening Chris, What used to happen was, each district had its own deputy registrar, who would fill in the births and deaths and then each quarter would send them to Melbourne. Some places still have the original copies of those duplicate registrations, but unfortunately very few survive. I only know of a couple from the Geelong area. All of the records are now held at Births, Deaths and Marriages in Melbourne. Dianne Hughes

Hi, you mentioned the siblings: Thomas, **Ellen, **Joseph, Margaret, Charles, Frances and **Daniel there seems to be some confusion going on here - the family certainly did register children - their names appear on the indexes - I didn't find all the siblings - but I did find the names of 2 children not on the list supplied .. so .. where do we go?? What source are you using for the children's names?? And did you mean to write Frances or Francis as a sibling? keep searchin' - don't give up!! and don't be put off by initial setbacks .. I found these children born to the couple: Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: CAROLIN Given Names: Joseph ** Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann CAROLIN Age: Sex: Birth Place: EGAN Death Place: Year: 1870 Reg Number: 15531 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CAROLIN Given Names: Francis Joseph ?? Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann CAROLIN Age: Sex: Birth Place: EGAUS TOWN Death Place: Year: 1873 Reg Number: 2205 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARROLAM Given Names: Ellen ** Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann CARROLAM Age: Sex: Birth Place: KYNETON Death Place: Year: 1867 Reg Number: 2820 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: John ??? Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann CARROLAN Age: Sex: Birth Place: DAYL Death Place: Year: 1864 Reg Number: 14667 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARRLAN Given Names: Daniel ** Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann CARROLAN Age: Sex: Birth Place: EGAN Death Place: Year: 1879 Reg Number: 8930 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Surname: BROCK Given Names: Cath Mary Father: Carolan Jno Mother: Ann CAROLAN Death Place: BALLT Age: 62 Age Code: Year: 1925 Reg Number: 149 Event: D Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: Thos Michael Father: Carrolan Jno Jas Mother: Ann CAROLIN Death Place: OUYEN Age: 80 Age Code: Year: 1940 Reg Number: 18007 Event: D Surname: MURNANE Given Names: Margt Ann Father: Carrolan Jno Mother: Ann CARROLAN Death Place: OUYEN Age: 56 Age Code: Year: 1935 Reg Number: 18641 Event: D Surname: CARVILL Given Names: Ellen Theresa Father: Carrolan John Mother: Ann CARROLAN Death Place: RMOND Age: 74 Age Code: Year: 1941 Reg Number: 7040 Event: D Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: Chas Lawrence Father: Carrolan Jno Mother: Ann CARROLAN Death Place: OUYEN Age: 58 Age Code: Year: 1931 Reg Number: 15917 Event: D Stephanie Archibald wrote: > Hi listers > I'm unable to find a birth record for my g. g'mother, Catherine Mary Carrolan, (born around 1863 in Woodend), on the Vic. BDM site. Her parents were John and Ann CARROLAN, her husband John Francis BROCK (m. Daylesford 1886), siblings included Thomas, Ellen, Joseph, Margaret, Charles, Frances and Daniel. She died and was buried in Ballarat 1925.Does anyone have any information, please? > Stephanie > >

Hi Stephanie. Further to Amandas' post: it seems that none of the children were registered. Ann seems to have married in 1860, but, as Amanda showed you, no children show up on the list. I tried all kinds of ways to get a match using wildcards, to no avail. So either they didn't bother to register the kids, or they went interstate. Good luck, Johnno. jstt at alphalink dot com dot au Surname: CAROLAN Given Names: John Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: COLDWELL Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Annie Age: Sex: M Birth Place: Death Place: Year: 1860 Reg Number: 3693 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Archibald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: CARROLAN missing birth reg > Hi listers > I'm unable to find a birth record for my g. g'mother, Catherine Mary > Carrolan, (born around 1863 in Woodend), on the Vic. BDM site. Her parents > were John and Ann CARROLAN, her husband John Francis BROCK (m. Daylesford > 1886), siblings included Thomas, Ellen, Joseph, Margaret, Charles, Frances > and Daniel. She died and was buried in Ballarat 1925.Does anyone have any > information, please? > Stephanie > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 27 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:23 PM

It's always worth looking at http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/miners.htm for any death on the goldfields; Dave Evans is very helpful with responses to enquiries if you find an accident listed and need more details. Phoebe

All the Carrolan's, Carolan's etc on the Index. Perhaps she wasn't registered. Best wishes Amanda Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: John Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann CARROLAN Age: Sex: Birth Place: DAYL Death Place: Year: 1864 Reg Number: 14667 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: Mathew Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Martin Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary BAGNALL Age: Sex: Birth Place: DOOK Death Place: Year: 1879 Reg Number: 22515 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: Peter Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: UNKNOWN Age: 77 Sex: Birth Place: Death Place: SANDHURST Year: 1887 Reg Number: 4099 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: Bridget Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: MCCARTHY Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Charles Patrick Age: Sex: Birth Place: CAVAN Death Place: Year: 1869 Reg Number: 4160 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: Mary Ann Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: RYAN Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Daniel Age: Sex: F Birth Place: ADELAIDE Death Place: Year: 1883 Reg Number: 2366 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: Cath Mary Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: BROCK Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: John Fran Age: Sex: F Birth Place: WOODEND Death Place: Year: 1886 Reg Number: 781 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: CARROLAN Given Names: Ellen Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: CARRILL Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: John Age: Sex: F Birth Place: KTON Death Place: Year: 1887 Reg Number: 6426 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: > Hi listers > I'm unable to find a birth record for my g. g'mother, Catherine Mary > Carrolan, (born around 1863 in Woodend), on the Vic. BDM site. Her parents > were John and Ann CARROLAN, her husband John Francis BROCK (m. Daylesford > 1886), siblings included Thomas, Ellen, Joseph, Margaret, Charles, Frances > and Daniel. She died and was buried in Ballarat 1925.Does anyone have any > information, please? > Stephanie is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1466 - Release Date: > 25/05/2008 6:49 PM > >

Hello Chris. Local registrations were filled out on the supplied pre-printed sheets. The local registration number appears in the far left gutter, outside the printed section. Every three months these sheets were forwarded to the office of the Registrar General, where the districts were arranged in alphabetical order, and the central registry number for that year was stamped in the central gutter, between the two pre-printed halves. They were then entered into the hand-written alpha index. The first entry for the year would be # 001. Each quarter the sheets were sent in, put together in the same way and numbered consecutively. When the last sheet was numbered, they were all bound into a volume for that year, and the new year began, again, with # 001. Local registrars kept a small exercise book in which they entered, usually, the surname e.g. for Werribee in 1902, thus: Cunningham Mary Margaret 1081, Julia Cecilia 1130, Thomas Gregory 1244, Agnes Catherine ..... e.g. Amherst , thus: "Monthly reports" Birth reg No., place of birth, date, sex BUT NO NAMES! e.g. Amherst, 1879, thus Reg number, name, area where born e.g. Koroit, thus: No dates, full name and registration number e.g.The Springs 1861, thus: John, son of Thomas and Susan Smith, no number, no date. e.g. Talbot 1885, thus: reg number, name. I gained these from VPRS 3653 "Country Registration Books" Most books are local indexes to deaths. Only a representative number of books with names of districts are found in these nine LARGE and very heavy boxes. Many books do not name the district. Years ago I managed, by reference to the birth indexes on microfiche to name and date some of these books, but I decided my time could be better spent on another project I was then involved with. As you can see, not much info was kept at the local level. I only listed Box 5: Birth books forAmhurst Talbot Mornington Koroit Mansfield The Springs Lethbridge Smythes Creek, Smythesdale Inglewood Werribee Kerang Shepparton Wyndham Warrnambool Shepparton Seymour all these in box 5 Box 2 has Geelong births up to 1954 (Shush, don't let that out or they'll be removed!) Box 1 has Bendigo births to 1933 (Shush with these, too) You'll need big muscles and long arms to lift & get into the bottom of the boxes! Regards, Ada Ackerly Chris Ward wrote: > Hello List, > > > > Mine is a general query concerning birth registration in the Miners Rest > area between 1869 and 1883. > > > > I am assuming that the actual registration was done at a local office in > Ballarat and then a copy or transcript was forwarded to Melbourne for the > "formal" registration. I do realise my assumption could be inaccurate. > > > > However, if this is the case I'm wondering if those original registrations > can be accessed. I have four births where there is information that could > have been mis-transcribed from the information originally proved. > > > > I guess another way of asking the same question is - Was there both a > district registration record and a state registration record. > > > > I'm afraid I'm an uninformed South Australian who does NOT support the Crows > or the Power(less) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Chris > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi listers I'm unable to find a birth record for my g. g'mother, Catherine Mary Carrolan, (born around 1863 in Woodend), on the Vic. BDM site. Her parents were John and Ann CARROLAN, her husband John Francis BROCK (m. Daylesford 1886), siblings included Thomas, Ellen, Joseph, Margaret, Charles, Frances and Daniel. She died and was buried in Ballarat 1925.Does anyone have any information, please? Stephanie -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 27 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Good morning listers I am hoping that someone may have come across my German great great grandparents, Henry and Amalie NIEHOFF, both musicians. They both came from Salzgitter in Germany, married in Hull England 5 January 1846. They had 4 children, left in Germany, and arrived on the barque "San Francisco" in Port Phillip Bay in September 1854. They made their way to Ballarat where my great grandfather, Herman was born in February 1855. The following year, a daughter, Amalie was born in August 1856. The occupation stated on the birth registrations was "Entertainment Tent Keeper" and Musician. At the PRO in Ballarat a Niehoff was identified as owner and occupier of tents in Sturt Street (Rate Book 1856/57) and the following year as occupier with the rates being paid by J. Retallick who later built the Union Hotel, probably on the same site. At this point I am assuming they moved on but where? The two children were delivered back to Salzgitter in Germany with money for their upbringing. My great great grandparents disappeared off the face of the earth. Is there anyone out there that may have any information please? Cheers, Dorrie Beal