Could the answer to this one be mailed to the list please? I have a query at that cemetery as well. Cheers Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <[email protected]> To: "Aus Vic Goldfields" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Dunolly > Hi, > > Can SKS inform me if the Dunolly Cemetery burials > are transcribed please? > > Looking to see if there is a James RAMSAY who died > in 1855 buried there. > > Thank you > > Regards, > Pat Wade (Nee King) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My great great grandfather Edward Thomas Warren was a policeman in Victoria from 1856 to 1886 when he retired, first in Geelong and then Bendigo. He died in 1892. His funeral notice from the Bendigo Advertiser made reference to the AOF Court Bendigo and contained other acroynyms I did not know. I discovered that AOF stood for Ancient Order of Foresters. The AOF was set-up as a non profit organisation to provide financial and social benefits as well as support to members of their families in times of unemployment, sickness, death, disability and old age. Last night I discovered their Museum in the UK and emailed them requesting information about the funeral notice. The first AOF Court (branch) in Australia was set up in 1849 in Victoria. B.U.D. stands for Bendigo United District which was one of several A.O.F. districts in Victoria. Court Bendigo (3549), was founded in 1861and was a constituent Court of the Bendigo United District. In 1892 when Edward died the Court had 170 members, and was meeting at Bee Hive Chambers, Sandhurst. After Edward's name were the initials P.C.R. which stands for Past Chief Ranger. "A Court (branch) Chief Raqnger was a member elected by his peers to serve a term in office as Court Chairman for a period of either 6 or 12 moonths. It was a position of honour, and selection as such was a mark of acknowledged respect held by fellow members in the court. At the end of the term in office an award of a medal/jewel might be made, inscribed accordingly, and a P.C.R. certificate awarded to be framed and hung in the member's home." The reply from The Foresters Heritage Trust concluded: "It is fascinating to learn of the existence of the funeral notice, it is not something I have come across in an Australian context before. Many thanks for contacting us about it, it is a useful snippet for the Trust's Archive." I then emailed them a copy of the funeral notice for their archives. Does anyone know anything about the operations of the AOF in Bendigo? I would assume that the funeral notice inviting "fellow members of the Court and Order to follow the remains of our late Brother" would have been common. Thanks Chris

I would refer those interested to the wonderful works of Bev Hanson & Annette O'Donohue - The Eaglehawk & District Pioneer Register. Volume 6 (T-Z) released earlier this year includes several pages on families from the Eaglehawk area that trekked to the WA Goldfields and were buried there. I have spent many interesting hours tracking some family branches (extending out from my Eaglehawk Gray family) with the assistance of these volumes. Copies are available in many libraries - or contact me via the list for lookups. Regards, RAELENE PROSSER

Where would I find the index to the Bet Bet Shire Express. Nicole Murphy

Hi To All Again, Thank you for your varied replies. I think I will leave my hand in my pocket and go to the Library instead. The State Library of Victoria seems to be the closest to me and they have heaps to offer looking at there web site. Regards To All, John

There is an index for the Bet Bet Shire Express: great detail about my great grandmother's death by fire. Horrible but eztremely helpful! Susan ----- one of my > LOGANs (of Logan, near St Arnaud) > > Instead, I looked for news of him in the Dunolly and Betbetshire > Express, as well as the Tarnagulla and St Arnaud papers of the time. > >

Hi, Can SKS inform me if the Dunolly Cemetery burials are transcribed please? Looking to see if there is a James RAMSAY who died in 1855 buried there. Thank you Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King)

Dear John, I know of 2 sites that have Australian records. One is www.worldvitalrecords.com They have the Victorian Post Office Directory for 1904 and 1914 and the have the Victorian Police Gazettes from 1861 thru to about 1891. There are loads of other Aussie resources there as well in a similar vein for other states. They have Melbourne Directories from 1854 thru to 1893. These records seem to have come from the "Archive CD" collection. Ancestry has some wonderful state based early federal electoral rolls (except SA for some reason). These have really helped my research as they are all searchable at the same time, great for finding ancestors who moved out of Victoria. It is the closest thing you can find for a "census" for Australia that is easily searchable. They also have some early directories such as Sands and convict records but I think some or perhaps all of the convict records are available with the different State Archive services (I know NSW State Records and the equivilant for Tassie has a lot of convict records). You should be able to see what they have by going to the Ancestry web site and clicking on "see all databases" and use Australia as your keyword. Of course Ancestry has a huge range of British , US and Canadian records but access to these depends on which sort of subscription you buy. I started out with access just to the British section but now find it is worth my while having a "World" subscription. Findmypast has shipping records from 1890 onwardsthat include ships leaving England and coming to Australia (and elsewhere). Other subscription sites I have used each have something "unique" about them. The "Origins" site has fully searchable Griffith's evaluations for Irish Ancestors and their British section has Boyds marriage index as well as indices for pre 1858 Wills. "The Genealogist" has many of Phillimores marriage transcriptions . All of those sites offer either full or partial British census collections. None of the sites has Australian BDM data. You need to either access those online (if available) or at your local/state library or local genealogical society. You can of course buy the indices but it gets to be horrendously expensive to get the complete set. HTH Maree in Adelaide John Thomas Martin wrote: >Hi To All Members, > >Can anyone tell me if sites such as "Australian Ancestors.com or Ancestry.com" or similar have what they say they do. Some of them claim to have loads of data bases and how relevant is the information to Australia? > >Can you also inform me which is the best of these sites before subscribing and parting with my hard earned dollars. > >TIA, > >John > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi To All Members, Can anyone tell me if sites such as "Australian Ancestors.com or Ancestry.com" or similar have what they say they do. Some of them claim to have loads of data bases and how relevant is the information to Australia? Can you also inform me which is the best of these sites before subscribing and parting with my hard earned dollars. TIA, John

Are there any lists of men who went west in the early gold days there? My ggrandfather, Jonah ODGERS left Bendigo very early, and was joined by his son, Henry Isaac ODGERS soon after as a young teenager, we think. Both came back to Victoria but I have no idea how long they stayed. My granpa, Henry, used to tell us stories about life on the Kalgoorlie goldfields but nothing was ever written down. Shirley Westaway

Greetings all other WA sites which may be of help are: http://www.openwindows.com/marriage/search.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kalfamhistory/info.html The WA BDM indexes are pathetic and considering I can get hard copy certs from Durham UK quicker and cheaper than from Perth (where I live) one can only shake the head. Regards Bob Elsbury From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: October 1, 2008 3:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 204

Could someone please tell me if it is possible to search the Baptism register for St Alipius Ballarat for `1871-1874 and 1877 . Also burials 1891? Thanks Margaret Sydney

Hi Margaret, Not 100 % sure about baptisims and burials but I have had success writing to the Archivist and managed to get a copy of a marriage certificate for my gt gt grandparents in 1866. I believe there was a $ 25 dollar "Archivist fee". The information was very similar to the civil certificate, but I was able to decifer parents names which was impossible on the Civil cert. In the letter that returned, the Archivist mentioned he didn't normally include a copy of their record, only a transcription, but as the names were hard to read he did send me a copy as well. Best wishes, Maree in Adelaide margaret trewick wrote: > Could someone please tell me if it is possible to search the Baptism register for St Alipius Ballarat for `1871-1874 and 1877 . Also burials 1891? > >Thanks >Margaret >Sydney > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I stumbled on an interesting way of finding missing men who, it turned out, had gone to the WA goldfields. I had an approximate time frame for the 'disappearance' of one of my LOGANs (of Logan, near St Arnaud) but could not find him in WA. Instead, I looked for news of him in the Dunolly and Betbetshire Express, as well as the Tarnagulla and St Arnaud papers of the time. A very time consuming business, indeed, but it paid off with the discovery of a very fulsome obituary giving the date, circumstances and place of his death and burial in Kalgoorlie. It also listed family members and other background information. It is worth considering! Trevor

This is my first posting since I joined this List a few weeks ago. The reverse Marriages of W.A. I find good though. A seperate website to the WA BDM, in google type in "WA Reverse Marriages' You may find a lead there, no harm in trying.! Regards, Judy of S.A. Researching in Castlemaine district the following surnames. Gibson ( Hannah nee SLAPP) Stuchbury and variants in the spelling Jamieson (Phillis Gibson married James Jamieson), I am really stuck with this branch.! There are others but that is a few to post at present. --- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Exodus of men to WA >I sympathise with those using the WA BDM indexes to try and locate rellies > who *may* have gone over there and either passed away or married. > > While the WA certificates are pretty good, the indexes are shockers. > > the older of the tworobbos > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I sympathise with those using the WA BDM indexes to try and locate rellies who *may* have gone over there and either passed away or married. While the WA certificates are pretty good, the indexes are shockers. the older of the tworobbos

I found my father's aunt by marriage ( in Victoria) on the passenger lists for coastal vessels: Vic to WA. Susan ----- > > > > In a reference to the drop in marriages in Victoria, the following > observation: > > Between 1891-1901 [remember this was a massive depression time] an > efflux of single men to Western Australia and South Africa. > > To WA 17,443 adult males born in Victoria, 10,732 were single males, > 6,701 were married males and a further 6,909 were male minors (under 21 > years of age). > > So it's no wonder that males disappear from our family trees in this > period. > > Plus I have read the account of the experiences of a Queensland nurse > who went to the Kalgoorlie area during the gold rush, and the dreadful > conditions and high death rate in the desert conditions: no water even > to wash patients in the wards! > > Add to this, the necessity the Victorian Government felt by 1895 to set > up the "Intestate Widows Relief Act" listed in the registers (7 > volumes) of VPRS 1703, one of the first entries being a Bendigo woman > whose husband died in Kalgoorlie. This is perhaps a reference worth > pursuing if a husband's death seems not to have been recorded in > Victoria post 1894 ? > > Hope that's of interest > > Regards Ada Ackerly > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for that Ada I have an ancestor John MURRAY who disappeared from Wedderburn c late 1880s He was a miner the aged abt 60 ..has been the bane of my life..I'll check out WA. Also missing , his sons Andrew Henry and David... groan Hope it wasn't to South Africa Judy Qld > > Hello listers, > > Researching the terms of the original old-age pensions in Victoria, > 1900-1908, I had need to refer to the "Victorian Year Book 1903" on the > "Social Condition". > > In a reference to the drop in marriages in Victoria, the following > observation: > > Between 1891-1901 [remember this was a massive depression time] an efflux > of single men to Western Australia and South Africa.

Hi Ada, That's very interesting, thank you, especially as I have a couple of great great uncles of my husband who seem to have disappeared from Victorian records after the 1909 electoral rolls. All I know is that they were born in the 1870s and died before their mother did in 1936, according to her death certificate. There is one possibility for one of them in the WA BDM online records, but does anyone know if there is any other alternative to paying $30 for a certificate on the very slight chance that it might just be the person I'm looking for? There's a death in WA under the name of the other brother also, but the date is 1938, so that's a little late it seems. Jo

Hello listers, Researching the terms of the original old-age pensions in Victoria, 1900-1908, I had need to refer to the "Victorian Year Book 1903" on the "Social Condition". In a reference to the drop in marriages in Victoria, the following observation: Between 1891-1901 [remember this was a massive depression time] an efflux of single men to Western Australia and South Africa. To WA 17,443 adult males born in Victoria, 10,732 were single males, 6,701 were married males and a further 6,909 were male minors (under 21 years of age). So it's no wonder that males disappear from our family trees in this period. Plus I have read the account of the experiences of a Queensland nurse who went to the Kalgoorlie area during the gold rush, and the dreadful conditions and high death rate in the desert conditions: no water even to wash patients in the wards! Add to this, the necessity the Victorian Government felt by 1895 to set up the "Intestate Widows Relief Act" listed in the registers (7 volumes) of VPRS 1703, one of the first entries being a Bendigo woman whose husband died in Kalgoorlie. This is perhaps a reference worth pursuing if a husband's death seems not to have been recorded in Victoria post 1894 ? Hope that's of interest Regards Ada Ackerly