Fascinating story- enlisting at about the age of 40 ... Thomas CROWLE born in Pleasant Creek/Stawel in 1873, father:John CROWLE mother: Eliza Kirkham. Killed at gallipoli in 1915 ... In 1917 his Thomas's sister, Eliza Jane McRoberts nee CROWLE (born 1876 Pleasant Creek) writes from Boulder, WA, that her brother apparently enlisted in the services - deserted and then went to Sydney and enlisted again using the name Thomas MURRAY. the sister also wonders how it was possible for Thomas MURRAY to enlist in Australia and be reported ead - KIA 3 months alter ... And we learn that Thomas had another sister - Mrs. Alma Mather nee Crowle of Millswyn street South Yarra. (she died in 1930) Alam had a couple of children - including Evelyn Maud MATHER - Evelyn married a Patrick james HASSETT and had at least 2 children: John Stanley HASSETT and Evelyn Maud SAYERS nee Hassett so I guess somebody could try to locate family of John HASSETT or Evelyn SAYERS ... the family were in the St.arnuad district ... check there? good luck Robert in melbourne. Dave Evans wrote: > Hi List, > Looking for relatives of Pte T. Murray, K.I.A. 27 August 1915 > > Dave in Ballarat > > :-) Victorian Mining Accident Index, over 12,100 names sorted > Alphabetically as well as by Place. on CDROM $20.00 plus Postage. > Mining Registrars Reports 1859 to 1887 all Victoria, most reports > published, send for a list to Dave Evans 439 Main Rd. Ballarat, 3350 > Victoria or email [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi List, Looking for relatives of Pte T. Murray, K.I.A. 27 August 1915 Dave in Ballarat :-) Victorian Mining Accident Index, over 12,100 names sorted Alphabetically as well as by Place. on CDROM $20.00 plus Postage. Mining Registrars Reports 1859 to 1887 all Victoria, most reports published, send for a list to Dave Evans 439 Main Rd. Ballarat, 3350 Victoria or email [email protected]

To Trisha McLatchie I am a Menzies / Van Berkel descendant. I can share information. Keith Keith Rees Ancestor Researcher Email: [email protected] www.ancestor-researcher.com Ph: +61 3 (03) 53327522 Mobile: 042 266 8113

Hi Chris Many thanks for that information. I was thinking that Graham Road might have been a place where he was staying, especially as the death took place on New Years Eve 1921, although the newspaper article suggests he was alone and "at home" which I took to be his home, but could well have been someone else's. Your explanation of the Electoral Roll still containing his name in 1924 makes sense. I have checked online and on Ancestry for the directory you suggest, but cannot find anything as recent as the 1920's. Thanks again. Lynne John Kelsall BROWN was certainly born in 1875 with parents as you indicated. I'm guessing but I would suggest the Graham Road address could have been a hospital or relative's place where he actually died and that Anderson Street was where he normally lived. The fact that he was still on the electoral roll after his death is that the removal of a relatives name from the electoral roll is not exactly a high priority of the family after a death. It isn't now and I would suggest it wasn't then. The difference in 40 and 46 is easily explained by handwriting or a transcription error somewhere along the line. If you look in Sands & Macs Directory see what you can find in the Highett address Regards, Chris

Hello In May I made enquiries to the list about my BROWN family. I got a lot of help at that time and a lot of very useful information. I am now hoping that someone may be able to help me clarify information about John Kelsall BROWN. His birth is listed as 1875 and his death was in 1922 aged 46 in Melbourne. JKB was the son of John BROWN and Alice GARLICK. I can find JKB on the Electoral Rolls, showing different addresses, occupation is either Clerk or Bank Clerk. I also found a newspaper article giving details of his death in 1922 at Graham Road, Highett. This article states he was a Bank Clerk. His age is given as 40 not 46. So all the information suggests the same person. However, Graham Road, Highett is not the address on the Electoral Rolls. The Electoral Rolls for 1919 and 1924 (2 years after JKB's death) is 2 Anderson St Melbourne. I accept that the newspaper article may have put the wrong age. However I am a little confused about the address given in the article, when compared to the Electoral Rolls. Why would he have a different address? Why would he appear on the Electoral Rolls 2 years after his death? Perhaps someone has an explanation for this. Maybe I am dealing with two different John Kelsall BROWN's, both born within 7 years of each other. I'm not convinced about this. Does anyone have access to birth records who could look up and see if this is a possibility? I would be very grateful for any help and advice. Many thanks Lynne

Does anyone know if David White, Fern Tree Gully is a member of this list. Want to discuss his IGI posting re Condon and Westwood. Margaret Sydney

Dear listers, If you have used my latest index "Non-issued probates and administrations 1851-1952" which covers part of VPRS 7933/P1 to order one of these invalidated wills or administrations which have been referred to the court system, I was advised today that you cannot order an individual item, but must order a complete unit/box and seek out the number of the item you require in that box. This is because the VPRO have not itemised the cases in their own files. So, where you read unit 31, item 1682 (which is the will of James SHEEHAN of the "West of England" hotel, who died in fitzroy in 1906), you will make a note of the file number (1682) and take this information with you to the search room, but you will order VPRS 7933/P1 and then highlight "unit" instead of "item" and there enter the unit number (31) when you order on-line. If you try to order the item number it will probably tell you "no" and you will think my index is in error!!!!!! So, order the "unit" number only. A plea: please keep these files in their original order. Put a marker in the box where you take out the file you need. They are very tightly packed, and it might be difficult to return the file to its proper place if you have not marked it as you removed it. And a mis-filed file is a lost file! Whilst my index is on-line at the GSV, for others, there is now a printout in the central bookshelves at the VPRO, centre aisle, face the windows, last group on the left at (my) headheight,...probably at chest height for the vertically over-challenged! The group of indexes is marked "COURTS" on a plastic name holder, and here, too are my indexes to equity, habeas corpus, etc. Enjoy. Regards Ada

Hi Julie, I don't have the contact details for Bowenvale F.B. (think I know) but I will endeavour to find out for you! The book is available for sale www.visitmaryborough.com.au for $10+postage or it can be found in some libraries, Maryborough have it. There is also some other great publications available also. I assume you are talking about Charles WHITELY who was killed at the Grand Duke mine at Timor. Regards Lois (Maryborough) -----Original Message----- From: juliemhopper [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 25 October 2008 7:04 PM To: 'Lois' Subject: RE: bowenvale / timor fire brigade Hello Lois, Do you have contact details for the Bowenvale Fire Brigade? I am interested to find out whether the names HOPPER and/or WHITELEY from Timor appear in the records. Also, where could I see a copy of the book you mention by Barbara Willis? Thanks Cheers Julie H.

Searching for information about Bridget CONDON married to Samuel WESTWOOD 1874/437.Children were WESTWOOD( from Eaglehawk) Florence May 1884/8995, John Condon 1875.15503, Mary Ellen Condon 1878/15399 NERR., Walter John 1881/2216. Mary Ellen married David Nelson E.Hawk 1904/2778 Bridget died F.Cray, 85 years, 1928/5679 I now believe this Bridget Helene Condon was hald sister to my James REA/RAE/RAY I have been searching for death of. Any help appreciated. Margaret Sydney

Nicole. Was your 2xgrandfather a Cornishman. I have Grose connections and am gathering information on the Cornish connections in Timor/Bowenvale Regards Bill Phillips

Hi Nicole, Your gg grandfather might have been there at the formation of the brigade, following taken from 'Footprints' A history of the Tullaroop Shire - Barbara Willis. Bowenvale Fire Brigade In 1887, the Shire of Tullaroop donated 150 pound to Chinaman's Flat and Timor to form a fire brigade and in the same year granted a site for an engine shed. Water was laid on to the shed in 1888 and regular fund-raising events were fireworks display by Professor Moore, and a procession. On 11th December 1889, a fire broke out at 1 a.m. in the kitchen or servant's room of Mr DuBourg's store and dwelling in Timor Road. Only a little furniture was saved. Hay and the stables were saved by the bucket brigade, but the books of Registrar DuBourg were lost in the 3,000 pound fire. (This included the Cemetery records) In 1890 legislation put part-time volunteer brigades under the control of the Country Fire Authority; so that in 1892 the Bowenvale Fire Brigade equipment was sold for 243/11/6pd and the brigade reformed under the auspices of the Country Fire Authority. The first officers of the Bowenvale Fire Brigade were Captain Frederick Wills, miner, Lieutenant William Simmonds, miner, hose officers Robert Gourlay, miner, and William Campbell, blacksmith. This brigade is still in existence and you could contact them for further info. regards Lois -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nicole Murphy Sent: Friday, 24 October 2008 10:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: bowenvale / timor fire brigade Good morning, I have just been sent a copy of a photo of my great great grandfather, Walter Grose in his Bowenvale fire brigade uniform. Photo was taken by J Weller some time between 1885 -1891 we think. Does anyone have any infomation about the brigade and its members around this time? Also if there is any other photos of brigade members. thanks Nicole Murphy Ballarat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning, I have just been sent a copy of a photo of my great great grandfather, Walter Grose in his Bowenvale fire brigade uniform. Photo was taken by J Weller some time between 1885 -1891 we think. Does anyone have any infomation about the brigade and its members around this time? Also if there is any other photos of brigade members. thanks Nicole Murphy Ballarat

Hi List, I have just joined this List again after a period of time when I could not send to the List but received everything ok. Hope this time I can send as well. Thanks and cheers...Bev

Thank you for reply Les... will follow that up.. regards.. Lillian

I've been following this discussion due to the name Kingower. I have a family member who when their first child was born in NSW put that they were born in Kingower but there is no birth registered for him or a number of siblings and I wondered if anyone might have any suggestions on how I could prove that his parents might have been there at the time. The names are pretty common are not very easy ones to locate. I'm looking for James KELLY born circa 1860 to Thomas KELLY and either Margaret MOONEY or Catherine MARTIN. James also states that he married in NSW in 1879 to Mary Ann PERRY but this marriage isn't registered either. Other suspected children of Thomas & Margaret or Catherine, I'm missing birth information for are - Catherine - thought to have been born around Swan Hill and possibly a Thomas and a John. The only sibling registered in Victoria is Isabella b.1862 at Mount Hope Station Echuca. I presume if they were in Kingower, they were mining so it would be mining licences that I could look for, but are there any? Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Regards Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of juliemhopper Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 1:01 PM To: 'robert.j' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: More about place names Thank you for your input, Robert, you are quite right, it is the CARN baby I was referring to. I assume that the parents were at this goldfield when the baby was born. Conditions were I would imagine quite primitive, so if the baby was at all delicate it wouldn't have had much chance of surviving, as you and others have suggested. I agree, there is no doubt there would also have been some little ones who died and who didn't even make it on to the registers at all... I don't have actual birth-death records for this baby as yet. I do have the Digger references though, and the birth place is listed on the birth index as Kingower, and on the death index the birth place is just listed as JON. There is no reference on the death index to any other place. My thanks to you and to other listers who have sent replies on this. A special thank you also to Dorothy who was my original informant and who first sparked my curiosity about JON. Could Jordan's have been the location of the nearest cemetery to Kingower at the time, perhaps? Julie H. SNIP ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your input, Robert, you are quite right, it is the CARN baby I was referring to. I assume that the parents were at this goldfield when the baby was born. Conditions were I would imagine quite primitive, so if the baby was at all delicate it wouldn't have had much chance of surviving, as you and others have suggested. I agree, there is no doubt there would also have been some little ones who died and who didn't even make it on to the registers at all... I don't have actual birth-death records for this baby as yet. I do have the Digger references though, and the birth place is listed on the birth index as Kingower, and on the death index the birth place is just listed as JON. There is no reference on the death index to any other place. My thanks to you and to other listers who have sent replies on this. A special thank you also to Dorothy who was my original informant and who first sparked my curiosity about JON. Could Jordan's have been the location of the nearest cemetery to Kingower at the time, perhaps? Julie H. SNIP

Mary Emma HENRY, (Simon - publican & Esther EDWARS) Sarah Anne TRUELOVE (Henry - baker & Ann HUGHES) Thomas CARTER (Thomas - gardener & Hannah TALBOT) John Thomas BARNES (John - labourer & Sarah Ann PUNCH) John Thomas ONEAL (John - miner & Elizabeth TEMLET)

For the benefit of the > geographically challenged and those without google ... The Gippsland JORDAN goldfields are pretty well known ... However - googling - it is possible to learn that there was a goldfields district known as JORDAN'S in the region of Wehla, Kingower, Rheola - which is near Dunolly - Wedderburn ... part of the golden triangle?? I imagine that the area was named JORDAN'S after one of the early arrivals to the district Here are a few references to JORDAN in the Kingower region: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENANZ/1997-06/0865731600 > WEHLA (south of Wedderburn) in Central Victoria was once known as > JORDAN'S RUSH http://sbs.com.au/sbsmain/gold/story.html?storyid=113 Talking about the famous Spondulix nugget .. note Berlin was an earlier name for Rheola. > This nugget was found during November 1872 in Eureka Gully, which is > part of the *Jordan’s gold field*, between Berlin and Wehla, Victoria. > It was found by Wilton and party and weighed in at 155 ounces, > measured 17 by 16 by 5 centimetres. It was also associated with some > quartz and ironstone. at this site: http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/resources/ms_0249.pdf we learn that Parks Victoria manages Jordan Road , Kingower area, Loddon Shire. at this site: http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/resources/mresources/src_2008/map33.pdf Parks Victoria has supplied a map showing Jordan Road , Wehla, Rheola and Kingower. In my original post I confirmed that the unnamed baby CARN had her birth registered at Kingower and that there was in fact a registration for her sad and early death with birthplace of JON ... checking one two or the other names also with JON as birthplace on the death registration suggested a connection to the Dunolly district .. in short ... I think it is very reasonable to assume (until contrary information arises) that JON was an abbreviation used for a short while for the area once known as Jordan's or Jordan's Rush or Jordan's goldfields near Kingower. Surely during the rushes the goldfields generally would have been dreadful places to give birth and care for new babies? It is a wonder and a credit to the parents, friends, community (and no doubt a lot of good luck) that babies survived at all ... and as another indicated ... it is highly likely that many babies were born and died without registration ... regards Robert in Melbourne Chris Ward wrote: > I may be geographically challenged but I always understood that the Jordan > Goldfields were in Gippsland around the Walhalla area which is a long way > from Kingower! > > Regards, > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of robert.j > Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 5:28 PM > To: juliemhopper > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: More about place names > > Hi, > > Julie is referring to the unnamed baby daughter of Thomas CARN and Ann > CARN nee MARTIN, the indexes indicate that the baby's birth was > registered in 1859 at Kingower and the death of one day old baby CARN is > in the indexes for 1859 - and the *birth* location in the indexes for > the death is JON. > > JON I would imagine refers to the JORDAN goldfields - which are in the > same region as Kingower - maybe 7 or 8 miles south westish of Kingower > away - less as the crow flies?? > > It is worth noting that the abbreviation JON only appears about 6 times > - and in each case it refers to the birth location of a deceased child - > about 5 from 1859 and one in 1856. > > I can't help with any cemetery information - but googling Jordan with > Kingower or Dunolly or Wehl or Rheola should help with some of the eraly > history of the place ... > > was the baby buried in JON ??? - hmm - I really don't know - > > good luck > > Robert > in melbourne > > > > juliemhopper wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> >> Courtesy of a kind lister, I now have a family record for the birth and >> death of an infant whose existence I had not previously known of. The >> > birth > >> and death were in 1858, on the same day - the child was unnamed. >> >> On the birth record the place name is KINGOWER, which is near Bridgewater >> > in > >> central Victoria. But on the death record the place name is JON, which >> presumably would not be far from Kingower. The person who gave me the info >> suggests that this may be an abbreviation for a cemetery listed as >> > JORDAN'S > >> DIGGINGS. Does anyone have any further information about this place name? >> Julie H. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Raelene Thanks very much for looking. I think this guy is determined not to be found, lol.Cheers Maggie From: [email protected]: [email protected]: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:35:16 +1000Subject: WA Goldfields / Eddy / for MaggieHi Maggie, Sorry - but can't assist with finding your James Eddy. Though the books mention several by the name of Eddy - none fits the description you've provided.Kind regards,RAELENE PROSSER _________________________________________________________________

Hi Dorothy, Thank you very much for your kind offer. I am interested in the following surnames if possible: GILES, MACPHIE, McERVALE, McPHEE, MURPHY, ORR, PALMBY, RETALLICK, ROXBURGH, WATSON, WELSH & WESTBROOK Apologies for the large number of names. Happy for you to spread these out to make it easier for you. Kind regards, Andrew On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM, MD Ingram <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi List, > > Below are the surnames for headstone photos at the above cemetery. > > Contact me at [email protected] if you would like a headstone photo. > > cheers > Dorothy > > AITKIN > ANDERSON > ARMSTRONG > BAULCH > BELLINGER > BIGGAR > BRADLEY > BRERETON > BRIODY > BROWN > CAMPBELL > CLARKE > COLLINS > COMMONS > CROWE > DIXON > FISHER > GILBERT > GILES > GILLINGHAM > GRAY > GRAYLING > GRENDA > HEADING > HERBERTSON > HINCHCLIFFE > HISLOP > HOBSON > HUNTER > IMPEY > JACKSON > JOLLY > JONES > KARSLAKE > KEAM > KELYNACK > LAIDLAW > LEE > LOFTS > LOXLEY > MACPHIE > MANN > MARKS > MARTIN > McCALLUM > McCLAREN > McDONALD > McERVALE > McGILLIVRAY > McKENZIE > McPHEE > MILES > MILLAR > MORRISON > MORVELL > MULLER > MURPHY > MURRAY > NAYLOR > NICHOLLS > NORBURY > O'BRIEN > OPIE > ORR > PAIRMAN > PALMBY > PATTERSON > PRENTICE > RETALLICK > ROBERTSON > ROXBURGH > SANDLANT > SEVERINO > SIMPKIN > SMITH > STANISTREET > STEWART > VIVIAN > WALLIS > WARREN > WATSON > WELSH > WESTBROOK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Web: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kemp/index.html Email: [email protected] ICQ# 62900193