Hi Listers The Gormandale Primary School has on its walls the Honour Boards from three of the smaller schools - Gormandale, Gormandale East and Carrajung - that have been closed. On the Honour Board which came from the Carrajung School, there are four names which are indicated as killed/died - I am trying to prepare some information on each of these four men - but one is proving elusive. The name is clearly listed as Ensil. A (however the Board was refurbished when it was relocated to Gormandale) - but I can found no ENSIL on any AIF or Commonwealth War Grave Commission listing. The nearest 'match' I can locate is an Arthur ENGEL - but I can find no link between this man, or his family, and Carrajung. (The Honour Board appears to be not restricted to pupils and teachers from the Carrajung school - it appears to include men from the district). Any hints, ideas or information would be most welcome. John Waldron

John I don't know whether this will help or not but - My wife's father was an orphan in the care of the Presbyterian and Scots Neglected Childrens' Society from the age of 6 until he turned 18. The society found foster parents for him and he was transferred several times until finishing up at Delvine Park at Fernbank in 1913. He stayed on here and enlisted in WWI in 1915. Fortunately, he returned. However, his birth was registered in Stawell and it wasn't until he married in 1926 that he appeareed in the indexes at Bairnsdale. It's a bit of a long shot perhaps but maybe your man was in a similar situation. the older of the tworobbos

Hi Everyone, I have written to John offlist, with my best bet being ANSELL - there are six with the first initial A who died in WWI. However I cannot put any of them in Gippsland - but this is the sort of tenuous spelling you get from someone remembering someone who was at school there for a few years ..... My quick look seems to suggest the only school there pre-war was Carrajung South, and the Yarram Genealogical Group holds some sort of records from there. IU wonder if there is anyone who could have a look and see if there is anything there that would help???? (Although if he was in the school rolls you would think the name would be spelled correctly..... ) Any thoughts? Linda At 08:40 PM 9/05/05 +1000, John wrote: >The name is clearly listed as Ensil. A (however the Board was refurbished >when it was relocated to Gormandale) - but I can found no ENSIL on any AIF >or Commonwealth War Grave Commission listing. The nearest 'match' I can >locate is an Arthur ENGEL - but I can find no link between this man, or his >family, and Carrajung. (The Honour Board appears to be not restricted to >pupils and teachers from the Carrajung school - it appears to include men >from the district).

The Vic BDM indexes shows a possible clue. The death index for 1963 shows an entry for Eva Ansell, aged 67, registered at "YARR" (presumably Yarram). Other index entries show that Eva was a sister-in-law of Albert Harold ANSELL, birth reg 1891 Collingwood. (Eva was wife of Crawford ANSELL. Albert & Crawford were sons of Allen ANSELL & Mary DAVIES.) Commonwealth War Graves site shows an entry for Albert Harold Arnold, died 8 May 1915. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Looking for A. Ensil - 1st AIF > Hi Everyone, > > I have written to John offlist, with my best bet being ANSELL - there are > six with the first initial A who died in WWI. > > However I cannot put any of them in Gippsland - but this is the sort of > tenuous spelling you get from someone remembering someone who was at > school there for a few years ..... > > My quick look seems to suggest the only school there pre-war was Carrajung > South, and the Yarram Genealogical Group holds some sort of records from > there. IU wonder if there is anyone who could have a look and see if there > is anything there that would help???? (Although if he was in the school > rolls you would think the name would be spelled correctly..... ) > > Any thoughts? > > Linda > > At 08:40 PM 9/05/05 +1000, John wrote: > >>The name is clearly listed as Ensil. A (however the Board was refurbished >>when it was relocated to Gormandale) - but I can found no ENSIL on any AIF >>or Commonwealth War Grave Commission listing. The nearest 'match' I can >>locate is an Arthur ENGEL - but I can find no link between this man, or >>his >>family, and Carrajung. (The Honour Board appears to be not restricted to >>pupils and teachers from the Carrajung school - it appears to include men >>from the district). > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole > list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they > would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat > back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. >

I should add that the new AIF website shows that Allen ANSELL (a brother of Albert Harold ANSELL) was also killed at Gallipoli (on 26 Aug 1915). The birth index shows his name as Enoch Allen ANSELL, birth reg 1881. Walter

Has anybody checked the Electoral Rolls for the district? !903 is easy to search. If you haven't got access in Gippsland I can check at the State Library next week I am having exactly the same problems around Yarra Glen. I think a lot who enlisted were local farm hands and not native to the district Eric. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Barraclough <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Looking for A. Ensil - 1st AIF > Hi Everyone, > > I have written to John offlist, with my best bet being ANSELL - there are > six with the first initial A who died in WWI. > > However I cannot put any of them in Gippsland - but this is the sort of > tenuous spelling you get from someone remembering someone who was at school > there for a few years ..... > > My quick look seems to suggest the only school there pre-war was Carrajung > South, and the Yarram Genealogical Group holds some sort of records from > there. IU wonder if there is anyone who could have a look and see if there > is anything there that would help???? (Although if he was in the school > rolls you would think the name would be spelled correctly..... ) > > Any thoughts? > > Linda > > At 08:40 PM 9/05/05 +1000, John wrote: > > >The name is clearly listed as Ensil. A (however the Board was refurbished > >when it was relocated to Gormandale) - but I can found no ENSIL on any AIF > >or Commonwealth War Grave Commission listing. The nearest 'match' I can > >locate is an Arthur ENGEL - but I can find no link between this man, or his > >family, and Carrajung. (The Honour Board appears to be not restricted to > >pupils and teachers from the Carrajung school - it appears to include men > >from the district). > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. >