Having researched this a little, some of the relationships formed between a white man and his aboriginal woman were quite special and genuinly loving. These woman were disguised to look like men on the droving trips; hence the term 'drover's boy'. They proved their worth on the drives as they could find water better than the white man. The couple often had to camp away from the main company for fear of being discovered. These relationships were unacceptable in those days and any babies born to the couple weren't recognised and hence went unregistered.A child of this union would surely have been treasured if the mother died. There is a song called 'The Drover's Boy' dedicated to these amazing women. DNA identification is expensive! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Kendall" <lynken16@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: [AVG] Marjorie Dunn > Hi Dale and Fellow Listers > > I just had another thought about Grandma Dunn. It is possible her > biological mother died when she was very young so her father felt he had > to provide for her care. It is fairly unusual for the time for a man to > take responsibility for his indiscretions unless he was still in a > relationship with the mother....but who knows. > > I think the only way to absolutely solve this will be using DNA but I > don't know if this can identify ethnicity. Certainly there is some > project available where people are using DNA to prove family linkages for > family history purposes. > > Lynne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A sad postscript...... Name: BARTLETT Hector Age: 63yrs Place: Collingwood Year: 1885 Ref. 504 Cause: Suicide Hanged Occupation: Plasterer ----- Original Message ----- From: phasmann@cyberspace.net.au To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN ........... Susan's parents, Hector BARTLETT & Ann GOLDING immigrated to Australia & were living and raising a family in Collingwood. Susan had 5 siblings born, in Collingwood, between 1858 & 1868. I think Susan's parents may have raised Margaret Young DUNN, Thomas's daughter from his first marriage. .............

Dale, I see the parents of Thomas DUNN are named as Thomas & Priscilla PRICE on his 1942 DC. I found their marriage... DUNN, Thomas EM 273948 Marriage Spouse: PRICE, Priscilla Index Year: 1845 Reg Year: 1845 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: V1845744 30B Parish: Melbourne, St James' (Vic), Church of England .....but I can't find any births registered to them. Pam

Hi Dale and Fellow Listers I just had another thought about Grandma Dunn. It is possible her biological mother died when she was very young so her father felt he had to provide for her care. It is fairly unusual for the time for a man to take responsibility for his indiscretions unless he was still in a relationship with the mother....but who knows. I think the only way to absolutely solve this will be using DNA but I don't know if this can identify ethnicity. Certainly there is some project available where people are using DNA to prove family linkages for family history purposes. Lynne

Aha, George is registered as George BARTLETT. Assuming he was conceived in June 1877, (& Susan's hubby was still alive then) Susan may not have been sure who the father was??? Thomas DUNN & Susan BARTLETT are listed as his parents on his DC in 1969. Susan's parents, Hector BARTLETT & Ann GOLDING immigrated to Australia & were living and raising a family in Collingwood. Susan had 5 siblings born, in Collingwood, between 1858 & 1868. I think Susan's parents may have raised Margaret Young DUNN, Thomas's daughter from his first marriage. I found a death for a Margaret Young BARTLETT (Ballarat) in 1934 (b 1874). Her father is named as Thomas DUNN, mother unknown. I can't find a marriage anywhere, so am thinking she was given to the Bartletts to raise and she changed her name. I am almost certain your Marjorie is the natural child of Thomas & Susan Pam

Hello Dale, I come from a family with Indo Chinese, Malay, Spanish, French, Balinese, several English counties (including Cornish.) Colouring varies amongst cousins, second cousins, third cousins. Some look Spanish with a very light olive skin. Some are blond and blue-eyed. Some have jet black hair, some red-brown. But one third cousin (with a blond blue-eyed sister was a very dark, swarthy complexion with black curly hair... just like a Malay (4 generations back!) He is the only one out of dozens of these cousins with this colouring, and it was a puzzle to the family until they came to a family reunion and saw the family tree set out. I imagine there would be some who would speculate that he had a different father to his siblings. Certainly his parents were not dark. Genetics is a funny thing. Regards Ada D. I. wrote: > Hi Lynne, > > Interesting thought. I knew Grandma Dunn before she died in 1962. She was > also considered "at odds" with her other siblings. Also when my father > wanted to join the Masonic Lodge, he was told he'd be refused because of > "dark blood". This didn't stop him, btw! My grandma also spoke about her > "dilly bag" [a string bag used by aboriginal women] instead of her > "handbag". There were little things passed down through the family that now > make sense as I try to find her biological mother.She was by no means > "dark-skinned" but she had olive skin. Grandma went to her grave taking many > secrets with her, unfortunately. > > Dale > In rain-soaked Airlie Beach, Whitsunday. > >

Firstly Dale, if you are trying to make us feel sorry for you living in Airlie Beach (references to weather), it isn't working! I can't find a birth for George in 1878 at all. Was he registered as George DUNN or PLATT. When you say he and Marjorie were registered at Traralgon, are you reading from their individual birth certificates? If you can send me what dates you have, either B, M or D, for any of Marjorie's siblings, I'll see what I can find from the CD's I have. Pam, Clyde Vic Beautiful one day, stinking hot the next!

You'd need fins and flippers right here at the moment. Worst rain and flooding in years. It's nice and green though! :) Okay, here's what I have on both birth certs. Cert No: 10657 21 March 1878 Town of Traralgon County of Bulla Bulla George Thomas Male No father's name listed. [possibly because Susan wasn't married to Thomas Dunn then.] Mother: Susan Bartlett Age 24 London England Informant: Susan Bartlett. Mother. 108 Rupert Street Collingwood. [I think I made a mistake in my other e-mail and put 104] "Declaration made by law as required" Witnesses: Mrs Bartlett Registered: 22 May 1878 Collingwood. Registered by: Adam Anderson. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priscilla Ann Dunn Platt: Cert No: 871 19 December 1879 Rupert Street City of Collingwood County of Burke Priscilla Ann Dunn... not present Female Father: John James Platt Labourer 39 years Staffordshire England [This wasn't true as Platt had died in 1877] Married: 2 August 1871 West Melbourne Victoria Issue Living: John Thomas 8 years. May 6 years, George Thomas [above] 1 year. Mother: Susan Platt formerly Bartlett Age 26 London England Informant: Susan Platt. Mother Islington Street Collingwood Witnesses: Mrs Webber and Mrs Bartlett Registered: 19 January 1880 Registered by: William Davies --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marjories siblings were: Louisa Emily Platt born 1881 Collingwood. Father: John James Platt [Platt died in 1877] Hector Bartlett Platt born 1883 Collingwood Father: John James Platt [ " " " ] Alfred Gordon Dunn born 1887 Collingwood. Father: Thomas Thomas Dunn born 1888 Collingwood: Father Thomas Ellen Josephine Dunn born 1889 Collingwood. Father: Thomas Leslie Dunn born 1891 Clifton Hill Father Thomas Bertha Alice Dunn born 1894 Clifton Hill Father Thomas Laurence Aubry Dunn born 1896 Clifton Hill Father Thomas All had Susan as mother. Hope you can find something and thanks! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: <phasmann@cyberspace.net.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > Firstly Dale, if you are trying to make us feel sorry for you living in > Airlie Beach (references to weather), it isn't working! > > I can't find a birth for George in 1878 at all. Was he registered as > George DUNN or PLATT. When you say he and Marjorie were registered at > Traralgon, are you reading from their individual birth certificates? If > you can send me what dates you have, either B, M or D, for any of > Marjorie's siblings, I'll see what I can find from the CD's I have. > > Pam, > Clyde Vic > Beautiful one day, stinking hot the next! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pam, I see where you're coming from... yes, Thomas' first wife, Helen, had died [1875] leaving him a widow with Margaret, a 7 year old daughter. Susan and Thomas didn't marry until 1884 by which time four children had arrived on the scene; all born out of wedlock but two of them, Priscilla Ann [or Marjorie] and her brother George [birth registered 1878 in Tralgon] have been entirely erased from any subsequent certificates for unknown reasons. [The other two children are acknowledged along with several more after they married] We know Thomas was their father but you'd think if Susan was their biological mother, their names would be included? It's possible Susan agreed to take care of Thomas' "indiscretions" if she was being supported by him. On their marriage cert it says they were married in Islington Street Collingwood but gives their 'usual' and 'present' Residence as Gippsland. On Priscilla Ann's [Marjorie] birth cert she's born at 104 Rupert Street Collingwood which is the next street adjacent to Islington Street. All of these details are recorded but she's erased from others. Unusual? Keep analysing as something might come to light if we toss it around a bit! Dale [who relies on female intuition well!] in Waterlogged Airlie Beach. ----- Original Message ----- From: <phasmann@cyberspace.net.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > Hi Dale, > > I agree with Lynne about the Death Certificate being the least reliable > source of information. It always depends on how well the informant knew > the family. > > I think Marjorie has to be the natural child of Susan Bartlett/Platt/Dunn. > > DISCLAIMER; what follows is based largely on"feminine intuition"..... >

Hi Dale, I agree with Lynne about the Death Certificate being the least reliable source of information. It always depends on how well the informant knew the family. I think Marjorie has to be the natural child of Susan Bartlett/Platt/Dunn. DISCLAIMER; what follows is based largely on"feminine intuition"..... In 1879 Thomas was a 32 year old widower ?with a 7 year old daughter, Margaret (??? being cared for by him). Single Dad's & Droving don't seem a good mix, which makes it hard to believe Thomas would take Marjorie away from her natural mother.....especially, if he was already "in the arms of another woman". To register this 1 month old baby, Priscilla Ann Dunn (Marjorie) as Susan's, he would have to know Susan very well. As Susan was already widowed with 2 children, she would hardly want the responsibility of a third if it wasn't hers, or she wasn't being financially supported by someone. This doesn't have to mean Marjorie didn't have Aboriginal ancestors, as we don't know Thomas or Susan's ancestry. There, that's my two penneth's worth! Cheers, Pam

Interesting observation Lynn. When I was working on the transcribing of births in 1889, There was one in particular which took my eye: Birth of the first child to a remarried widow. She had listed all the children she had born to her first husband, and the deputy registrar had put a line through the group with the statement: "Should not appear. These are not children of her husband." So every birth certificate after that for this (and other couples in the same situation) listed only children from the second marriage. It is likely that the daughter from the second marriage you mention was making references from her own birth certificate, where the children of the first marriage would not appear. Could be, too, that the two families never "melded" into the one group, so unknown to her as her half siblings. I remember thinking at the time: I'll be certain to get the certificate of the first born, even if I'm not descended from him /her. Regards Ada Lynne Kendall wrote: > Hi Dale > > I have found lists of children are not always accurate on death > certificates. In one case the child of the second marriage was the > informant and left off the children of the first marriage!! This could have > happened if there had been a family 'falling out' or as you suggest Grandma > Dunn did have an aboriginal mother. Do you have any photos of Grandma Dunn > that may indicate her parentage? > > I am enjoying this thread and hope you do find out eventually who was > Grandma Dunn's mother. > > Lynne > Hot and muggy Townsville > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> Priscilla Ann Dunn Platt is Marjorie Dunn. . . they are the same person. I >> believe Susan brought Marjorie up as her own child as her name isn't >> mentioned as being one of Susan's biological children on Susan's death >> cert. >> >> I still suspect Grandma Marjorie Dunn had an Aborigine mother but to prove >> it will be tough! >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Lynne, Interesting thought. I knew Grandma Dunn before she died in 1962. She was also considered "at odds" with her other siblings. Also when my father wanted to join the Masonic Lodge, he was told he'd be refused because of "dark blood". This didn't stop him, btw! My grandma also spoke about her "dilly bag" [a string bag used by aboriginal women] instead of her "handbag". There were little things passed down through the family that now make sense as I try to find her biological mother.She was by no means "dark-skinned" but she had olive skin. Grandma went to her grave taking many secrets with her, unfortunately. Dale In rain-soaked Airlie Beach, Whitsunday. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Kendall" <lynken16@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > Hi Dale > > I have found lists of children are not always accurate on death > certificates. In one case the child of the second marriage was the > informant and left off the children of the first marriage!! This could > have > happened if there had been a family 'falling out' or as you suggest > Grandma > Dunn did have an aboriginal mother. Do you have any photos of Grandma > Dunn > that may indicate her parentage? > > I am enjoying this thread and hope you do find out eventually who was > Grandma Dunn's mother. > > Lynne > Hot and muggy Townsville > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> Priscilla Ann Dunn Platt is Marjorie Dunn. . . they are the same person. >> I >> believe Susan brought Marjorie up as her own child as her name isn't >> mentioned as being one of Susan's biological children on Susan's death >> cert. >> > >> I still suspect Grandma Marjorie Dunn had an Aborigine mother but to >> prove >> it will be tough! >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dale I have found lists of children are not always accurate on death certificates. In one case the child of the second marriage was the informant and left off the children of the first marriage!! This could have happened if there had been a family 'falling out' or as you suggest Grandma Dunn did have an aboriginal mother. Do you have any photos of Grandma Dunn that may indicate her parentage? I am enjoying this thread and hope you do find out eventually who was Grandma Dunn's mother. Lynne Hot and muggy Townsville ----- Original Message ----- > > Priscilla Ann Dunn Platt is Marjorie Dunn. . . they are the same person. I > believe Susan brought Marjorie up as her own child as her name isn't > mentioned as being one of Susan's biological children on Susan's death > cert. > > > I still suspect Grandma Marjorie Dunn had an Aborigine mother but to prove > it will be tough! >

Hi Pam, Thank you for replying. I have that information, thank you. And yes, Susan had four children to Thomas before they finally married in 1884 even though John Platt had died in Woods Point 1877. Marjorie was born 19 December 1879 and the birth was registered in 1880. She is listed as being born in Collingwood on one cert.but her death cert says she was born in Mirboo North. Priscilla Ann Dunn Platt is Marjorie Dunn. . . they are the same person. I believe Susan brought Marjorie up as her own child as her name isn't mentioned as being one of Susan's biological children on Susan's death cert. Margaret Young was Thomas Dunn's daughter by his first wife, Helen Young who died soon after their son, Thomas Junior was born. Both are buried in Rosedale. Louisa and Hector are my grandmother's [Marjorie} siblings. I still suspect Grandma Marjorie Dunn had an Aborigine mother but to prove it will be tough! Any further help gratefully received. Regards, Dale QLD. ----- Original Message ----- From: <phasmann@cyberspace.net.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > Dale, you don't say what year Marjorie was born. I have found a Priscilla > Ann Dunn PLATT. Do you think Susan & Thomas may have been having an > affair? Below, in order of birth, are all I could find who have either > been fathered by Thomas Dunn or born to Susan Bartlett. > > Hope this helps rather than confuses, > Pam Manning > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D. I. > To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:41 AM > Subject: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > > > I'm researching my grandmother, Marjorie, Priscilla, Ann, DUNN who, > according to her death certificate, was born in Mirboo North. Her father > was Thomas DUNN, a drover who moved a mob of cattle from Queensland to > Gippsland in the late 1800's. > > I

Dale, you don't say what year Marjorie was born. I have found a Priscilla Ann Dunn PLATT. Do you think Susan & Thomas may have been having an affair? Below, in order of birth, are all I could find who have either been fathered by Thomas Dunn or born to Susan Bartlett. Hope this helps rather than confuses, Pam Manning PLATT, John Thomas CB 1659477 Birth Father: John Mother: Bartlett Susan Event Place: Emer Reg Year: 1871 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 15992 DUNN, Margt Young CB 581318 Birth Father: Thomas Mother: Young Helen Event Place: Rosedale Reg Year: 1873 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 19467 PLATT, May CB 1659528 Birth Father: John James Mother: Bartlett Susan Event Place: C'Wood Reg Year: 1874 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 15011 DUNN, Thomas CB 581958 Birth Father: Thomas Mother: Young Helen Event Place: Rose Reg Year: 1875 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 11836 PLATT, Priscilla Ann Dunn CB 1659535 Birth Father: Jno Jas Mother: Bartlett Susan Event Place: Collingwoo Reg Year: 1880 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 1516 PLATT, Louisa Emily CB 1659492 Birth Father: John James Mother: Bartlett Susan Event Place: Coll Reg Year: 1881 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 15445 PLATT, Hector Bartlett CB 1659430 Birth Father: John James Mother: Bartlett Susan Event Place: Coll Reg Year: 1883 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 8327 PLATT, Susan CM 790632 Marriage Spouse: DUNN, Thos Marriage Place: London Reg Year: 1884 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 1312 DUNN, Thomas CB 581966 Birth Father: Thomas Mother: Bartlett Susan Event Place: Co Ll Reg Year: 1885 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 9047 DUNN, Alfred Gordon CB 579526 Birth Father: Thomas Mother: Bartlett Susan Event Place: Coll Reg Year: 1887 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 10100 ----- Original Message ----- From: D. I. To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:41 AM Subject: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN I'm researching my grandmother, Marjorie, Priscilla, Ann, DUNN who, according to her death certificate, was born in Mirboo North. Her father was Thomas DUNN, a drover who moved a mob of cattle from Queensland to Gippsland in the late 1800's. I have reason to believe that Marjorie's mother was Aboriginal. The story is a complicated one. Thomas Dunn lived and worked as a farmer in the 1870's at "Boxbank" Flynn's Creek, Rosedale, Gippsland. Shortly after his death, at age 94, there was a news article in "The Age" Tuesday 17 November 1942 about this picturesque Australian and his pioneering days in Victoria. A spot known as "Dunn's Crossing" in Gippsland is a memorial to his pioneering. Does anyone have any idea where this might be? Thomas Dunn and his first wife, Helen Young, are mentioned in The Rosedale Story by Don Macreadie. Thomas was 25 years of age when he married Helen Young at Flynn's Creek. Helen died soon after the birth of their second child. I believe Thomas took an Aboriginal woman, [a "Drover's Boy"] while on one of his cattle drives and Marjorie was the resulting child. Marjorie birth place is given as Morwell on her marriage certificate and Mirboo North on her death certificate. . . both places are nearby. Yet she was also mentioned as having been born in Collingwood. Thomas met his second wife, Susan Bartlett/Platt in Gippsland before moving to Collingwood. On Susan's death cert. in 1916, her six children [all born in Collingwood/Clifton Hill] are named but there is no mention of Marjorie. From this I have gathered that Susan raised Marjorie as one of her own children. Any ideas on how or where I could substantiate the above would be very welcome. Dale QLD ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 11/01/2008 6:09 PM

I'm researching my grandmother, Marjorie, Priscilla, Ann, DUNN who, according to her death certificate, was born in Mirboo North. Her father was Thomas DUNN, a drover who moved a mob of cattle from Queensland to Gippsland in the late 1800's. I have reason to believe that Marjorie's mother was Aboriginal. The story is a complicated one. Thomas Dunn lived and worked as a farmer in the 1870's at "Boxbank" Flynn's Creek, Rosedale, Gippsland. Shortly after his death, at age 94, there was a news article in "The Age" Tuesday 17 November 1942 about this picturesque Australian and his pioneering days in Victoria. A spot known as "Dunn's Crossing" in Gippsland is a memorial to his pioneering. Does anyone have any idea where this might be? Thomas Dunn and his first wife, Helen Young, are mentioned in The Rosedale Story by Don Macreadie. Thomas was 25 years of age when he married Helen Young at Flynn's Creek. Helen died soon after the birth of their second child. I believe Thomas took an Aboriginal woman, [a "Drover's Boy"] while on one of his cattle drives and Marjorie was the resulting child. Marjorie birth place is given as Morwell on her marriage certificate and Mirboo North on her death certificate. . . both places are nearby. Yet she was also mentioned as having been born in Collingwood. Thomas met his second wife, Susan Bartlett/Platt in Gippsland before moving to Collingwood. On Susan's death cert. in 1916, her six children [all born in Collingwood/Clifton Hill] are named but there is no mention of Marjorie. From this I have gathered that Susan raised Marjorie as one of her own children. Any ideas on how or where I could substantiate the above would be very welcome. Dale QLD

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Hi, a google enquiry with the words 1939 bushfires wilson promontory led to this site http://www.abc.net.au/blackfriday/story/default.htm I then checked the Tabs at the top and found an interactive map which suggests that " The Prom" may not have been affected by the Black Friday fires in 1939. Further research and goofling may find even more information Anthony Meade ..... Gippsland ---- Shirley Westaway <westaway@dcsi.net.au> wrote: > Thanks, Majella, I think I've run out of sources to access. > > It seems to me that once there was some documentation on the event which > has since been lost. > > Cheers and thank you for your suggestion. > > Shirley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Linda, I have quite a bit on Judge Stretton's findings but it seems the complete documentation is in the ANU library including CDs. My brother is there so I'll dob him in to do a search for me. Evidently the notes that were made at the time were never collated and are likely to be scattered around the various departments under the various names they have acquired over the years. Cheers Shirley

Hi Shirley, Best first-hand source for the 1939 fires is the evidence given to the Royal Commission into the 1939 fires. They did concentrate, however, on the great dividing range, and may not have taken evidence from The Prom. The evidence runs to many volumes, I know of sets in the PRO and in the DNRE library. Since your enquiry basically comes from the DNRE I would bounce it back to him and suggest he asks his own Department to look at the DNRE copy for him, and see if The Prom is included. If you have people from Omeo to Mount Useful, the evidence is really good. They had sitting in Maffra, and I think Omeo, and every word given in evidence is recorded. Cheers Linda