Hi Chris, One way is to get someone like me, who has a copy of "Vision and Realisation: A Centenary History of State Education in Victoria" sitting on their desk, to have a look. As it is organised by regions, it helps if you know a general area. 4240 is Kilmany Park From http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/Resources/Res-ws.html A school, registered No. 4240, opened 1925 and closed 1956. The school operated in conjunction with the Kilmany Park Boys' Home and attendance records 1925-1956 are held at SFHG and EGFHG. Some school records (1925-1956) are held at the PRO: VPRS 6542, and appear to include the registers. So you are best talking to Sale Family History Group, or East Gippsland Family History Group, who would most likely have included records in the fiche of school records they issued. Cheers Linda At 11:36 AM 20/01/2008 +1030, you wrote: >Thanks Eric. The school 4240 closed in the 1950s. A SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION >- Is there a list that connects school numbers with the name of the school? > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You could always try the Public Record Office of Victoria. Check out the website for requests. Cheers Shirley On 2001 Jan 0520082005, at 11:47 AM, Chris Ward wrote: Good morning, Can SKS advise me as to where I may obtain a copy of the students roll and teachers that attended and taught at Primary School 4240? I imagine it can be found in some educational or government archives somewhere. I'm in South Australia and somewhat challenged with research in Gippsland! Thanks Chris in Adelaide ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The old rolls, if they have survived, are generally with the school. The Education Department would be the best source for lists of teachers. The Department may have some old pupil rolls. Eric. -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Ward Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2008 11:47 AM To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [AVG] School Rolls Good morning, Can SKS advise me as to where I may obtain a copy of the students roll and teachers that attended and taught at Primary School 4240? I imagine it can be found in some educational or government archives somewhere. I'm in South Australia and somewhat challenged with research in Gippsland! Thanks Chris in Adelaide ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Eric. The school 4240 closed in the 1950s. A SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION - Is there a list that connects school numbers with the name of the school? -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eric Tetlow Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2008 11:23 AM To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVG] School Rolls The old rolls, if they have survived, are generally with the school. The Education Department would be the best source for lists of teachers. The Department may have some old pupil rolls. Eric. -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Ward Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2008 11:47 AM To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [AVG] School Rolls Good morning, Can SKS advise me as to where I may obtain a copy of the students roll and teachers that attended and taught at Primary School 4240? I imagine it can be found in some educational or government archives somewhere. I'm in South Australia and somewhat challenged with research in Gippsland! Thanks Chris in Adelaide ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning, Can SKS advise me as to where I may obtain a copy of the students roll and teachers that attended and taught at Primary School 4240? I imagine it can be found in some educational or government archives somewhere. I'm in South Australia and somewhat challenged with research in Gippsland! Thanks Chris in Adelaide

Pardon my ignorance, but what is vision and realisation? I must say I have never heard of it. I would appreciate someone explaining this to me, Thanks Micky Kay

Thank you to all those who have provided details of Malady activity over the years. Regards, John Lane, Melton 3337 aus-vic-gippsland-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. (no subject) (John Lane) > 2. Re: (no subject) (Bob Jones) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:10:07 +1100 > From: John Lane <j_and_m@thelanes.id.au> > Subject: [AVG] (no subject) > To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <478E022F.5040208@thelanes.id.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello - I am seeking information on the Malady family which operated > earth moving and associated work during the 1920s through > at least, the 1930s. It may be that this family is still involved in > road making, etc. > Would appreciate any comments. > John Lane > Melton Vic > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:24:36 +1100 > From: "Bob Jones" <bobjones@dcsi.net.au> > Subject: Re: [AVG] (no subject) > To: <j_and_m@thelanes.id.au>, <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001e01c8588e$aff812d0$335bdccb@default> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi > Lawrence Malady has trucks operating out of Trafalgar. There were four > brothers, including Lawrence operating a fleet during the 1970's which > included earth moving. Whether this is the line that you are referring to > during the 1920's, I am unable to assist. A phone call to any of the > Trafalgar Malady listing would be a good start. > Cheers > Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND list administrator, send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND mailing list, send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9 > *********************************************** > >

Hi Lawrence Malady has trucks operating out of Trafalgar. There were four brothers, including Lawrence operating a fleet during the 1970's which included earth moving. Whether this is the line that you are referring to during the 1920's, I am unable to assist. A phone call to any of the Trafalgar Malady listing would be a good start. Cheers Bob

Hello - I am seeking information on the Malady family which operated earth moving and associated work during the 1920s through at least, the 1930s. It may be that this family is still involved in road making, etc. Would appreciate any comments. John Lane Melton Vic

Oops! Should read "no aboriginal ancestors". Sorry. Lorraine Standfield.

So was I Lorraine, and it referred to a fabric bag with a drawstring, which I think our toilet bags were in those days. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Standfield" <nerralea@dcsi.net.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Dillybag > am unable to remember, but I was 'brought-up' in the Western District of > Victoria. > > Lorraine Standfield.

Hello Listers, I agree with David - I still use the term dillybag when referring to my vanity/toilet bag and there are no ancestors. As to where it comes from I am unable to remember, but I was 'brought-up' in the Western District of Victoria. Lorraine Standfield. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david marsland" <dwmarsland@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: [AVG] Dillybag > Good Morning > My mother who wasn't of Aboriginal descent always referred to her > dillybag as did her mother and many other older family mrmbers and > friends. > I think it was one of those names that was taken in and used by everyone. > I dont think that you can determine a person's race from words that they > used. That would be like saying that because a person drives a Toyota that > they come from Japan. > Cheers > David Marsland > > > --------------------------------- > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date: > 14/01/2008 5:39 PM > >

Good point, David. So we'll delete dillybag as a clue. Dale, in Airlie and getting all of Townsville's wet weather! ----- Original Message ----- From: "david marsland" <dwmarsland@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: [AVG] Dillybag > Good Morning > My mother who wasn't of Aboriginal descent always referred to her > dillybag as did her mother and many other older family mrmbers and > friends. > I think it was one of those names that was taken in and used by everyone. > I dont think that you can determine a person's race from words that they > used. That would be like saying that because a person drives a Toyota that > they come from Japan. > Cheers > David Marsland > > > --------------------------------- > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Indeed! I still call my bag of assorted items, my dilly bag! Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "david marsland" <dwmarsland@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: [AVG] Dillybag > Good Morning > My mother who wasn't of Aboriginal descent always referred to her dillybag as did her mother and many other older family mrmbers and friends. > I think it was one of those names that was taken in and used by everyone. > I dont think that you can determine a person's race from words that they used. That would be like saying that because a person drives a Toyota that they come from Japan. > Cheers > David Marsland

Good Morning My mother who wasn't of Aboriginal descent always referred to her dillybag as did her mother and many other older family mrmbers and friends. I think it was one of those names that was taken in and used by everyone. I dont think that you can determine a person's race from words that they used. That would be like saying that because a person drives a Toyota that they come from Japan. Cheers David Marsland --------------------------------- Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now.

Hi there, I should have added that the aboriginal gene is "recessive", that is, it is diluted with each generation of non-aboriginal admixture. But the Malay / Indian etc can recur in any generation, regardless of how far removed from the original ethnic person, as was the young man I referred to. Regards Ada D. I. wrote: > Hi Ada, > > Interesting lineage and food for thought. My father and I and my son have > all been taken as not being entirely white!! It could be our olive skins > plus good sun tans or it could be............... > > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> > To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > > > >> Hello Dale, >> >> I come from a family with Indo Chinese, Malay, Spanish, French, >> Balinese, several English counties (including Cornish.) >> >> Colouring varies amongst cousins, second cousins, third cousins. Some >> look Spanish with a very light olive skin. >> Some are blond and blue-eyed. Some have jet black hair, some red-brown. >> But one third cousin (with a blond blue-eyed sister was a very dark, >> swarthy complexion with black curly hair... just like a Malay (4 >> generations back!) He is the only one out of dozens of these cousins >> with this colouring, and it was a puzzle to the family until they came >> to a family reunion and saw the family tree set out. >> >> I imagine there would be some who would speculate that he had a >> different father to his siblings. Certainly his parents were not dark. >> Genetics is a funny thing. >> >> Regards Ada >> >> >> D. I. wrote: >> >>> Hi Lynne, >>> >>> Interesting thought. I knew Grandma Dunn before she died in 1962. She was >>> also considered "at odds" with her other siblings. Also when my father >>> wanted to join the Masonic Lodge, he was told he'd be refused because of >>> "dark blood". This didn't stop him, btw! My grandma also spoke about her >>> "dilly bag" [a string bag used by aboriginal women] instead of her >>> "handbag". There were little things passed down through the family that >>> now >>> make sense as I try to find her biological mother.She was by no means >>> "dark-skinned" but she had olive skin. Grandma went to her grave taking >>> many >>> secrets with her, unfortunately. >>> >>> Dale >>> In rain-soaked Airlie Beach, Whitsunday. >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Dale Your story has opened a whole area I knew nothing about ie 'drover's boy'. I just assumed a relationship between a white man and an aboriginal woman would be a very unequal one - it is nice to know that wasn't always so. Back to DNA testing. In Australia the DNA testing for paternity etc is around $400 I believe. But I have seen some websites encouraging it for family tree information and from memory it wasn't as expensive but I am not sure. At first I thought if Grandma Dunn was still alive she may not have known the facts surrounding her birth, often older siblings are a better source for this knowledge but the fact she called her handbag a dillybag could have meant she had been told or it was just a family saying. I grew up on Thursday Island in Torres Strait and my father used a few local language words in his conversation as a result of exposure to a community rather than a genetic link. (I have researched his tree so am very sure there is no genetic link) I am still intrigued with the story and my 'gut' instinct is that it is very possible Grandma Dunn's mother was Aboriginal but proving it is going to be difficult. Please keep digging and let us know on the list. regards Lynne Very very wet and now flooded Townsville

Hi Ada, Interesting lineage and food for thought. My father and I and my son have all been taken as not being entirely white!! It could be our olive skins plus good sun tans or it could be............... Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > Hello Dale, > > I come from a family with Indo Chinese, Malay, Spanish, French, > Balinese, several English counties (including Cornish.) > > Colouring varies amongst cousins, second cousins, third cousins. Some > look Spanish with a very light olive skin. > Some are blond and blue-eyed. Some have jet black hair, some red-brown. > But one third cousin (with a blond blue-eyed sister was a very dark, > swarthy complexion with black curly hair... just like a Malay (4 > generations back!) He is the only one out of dozens of these cousins > with this colouring, and it was a puzzle to the family until they came > to a family reunion and saw the family tree set out. > > I imagine there would be some who would speculate that he had a > different father to his siblings. Certainly his parents were not dark. > Genetics is a funny thing. > > Regards Ada > > > D. I. wrote: >> Hi Lynne, >> >> Interesting thought. I knew Grandma Dunn before she died in 1962. She was >> also considered "at odds" with her other siblings. Also when my father >> wanted to join the Masonic Lodge, he was told he'd be refused because of >> "dark blood". This didn't stop him, btw! My grandma also spoke about her >> "dilly bag" [a string bag used by aboriginal women] instead of her >> "handbag". There were little things passed down through the family that >> now >> make sense as I try to find her biological mother.She was by no means >> "dark-skinned" but she had olive skin. Grandma went to her grave taking >> many >> secrets with her, unfortunately. >> >> Dale >> In rain-soaked Airlie Beach, Whitsunday. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Margaret Young Dunn [Flynn's Creek] whose parents were Thomas Dunn and Helen Young married George Bartlett April 13 1901. George Bartlett was the brother of Susan Bartlett. Can anyone tell me where Dunn's Crossing in Gippsland might be? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: <phasmann@cyberspace.net.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > Aha, George is registered as George BARTLETT. Assuming he was conceived > in June 1877, (& Susan's hubby was still alive then) Susan may not have > been sure who the father was??? Thomas DUNN & Susan BARTLETT are listed > as his parents on his DC in 1969. > > Susan's parents, Hector BARTLETT & Ann GOLDING immigrated to Australia & > were living and raising a family in Collingwood. Susan had 5 siblings > born, in Collingwood, between 1858 & 1868. > > I think Susan's parents may have raised Margaret Young DUNN, Thomas's > daughter from his first marriage. I found a death for a Margaret Young > BARTLETT (Ballarat) in 1934 (b 1874). Her father is named as Thomas DUNN, > mother unknown. I can't find a marriage anywhere, so am thinking she was > given to the Bartletts to raise and she changed her name. > > I am almost certain your Marjorie is the natural child of Thomas & Susan > > Pam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pam, Yes, I have the marriage cert of Thomas Dunn and Priscilla Price. He was born in Co Kildare, Ireland in 1791 and emigrated around 1841 to Melbourne. He married Priscilla, from Devon, England [who came out on the Martin Luther] in 1845 but died in 1855 not 1942! That particular Thomas was his son [1848 to 1942] whom we are researching now. I have the records pertaining to Thomas from Ireland and his four children. Priscilla Anne Dunn [alias Marjorie] was named after her grandmother and tis she who is the mystery woman . . . . Dale. ----- Original Message ----- From: <phasmann@cyberspace.net.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Marjorie DUNN > Dale, I see the parents of Thomas DUNN are named as Thomas & Priscilla > PRICE on his 1942 DC. I found their marriage... > > DUNN, Thomas EM 273948 Marriage > Spouse: PRICE, Priscilla > Index Year: 1845 > Reg Year: 1845 Reg State: New South Wales > Ref Number: V1845744 30B Parish: Melbourne, St James' (Vic), Church of > England > > .....but I can't find any births registered to them. > > Pam > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >