I did click that plain text, I did, I did. Sorry everyone - here is the post At 10:24 PM 17/03/2008 +1100, Debbie wrote: >* The rational and actual physical process of who and how the >petition was signed is of great interest. One of the things that I >find most interesting is that areas of a remote and isolated nature >(like Omeo, Walhalla and Orbost) have a high percentage of >signatures - while other areas with denser settlement patterns and >population and an easier terrain - like Sale - have no signatures. It really is a bit weird. There is one Sale signature - she was visiting Brunswick at the time. There are NONE for Maffra, Stratford, Heyfield (see below), Briagolong, Yarram etc. You get a few for Foster, none for Leongatha. You get a few for Rosedale (probably an appropriate number for the town), and then Traralgon, Morwell etc are big and Warragul is appropriate. Bairnsdale has a lot. So what happened in Central Gippsland. Did someone lose the signatures? Did the newspapers in some areas campaign against it? (I would have thought that would be counter-productive). I wonder did the churches play a role? Or the Temperance movement. Or, more likely, did some leaders in each community take it on. And where they did, signatures were collected. And no-one put their hand up in Central Gippsland? Still seems a bit strange. Women in the Shire of Avon (and presumably elsewhere) had the vote in local government elections from the 1860s. So they must have known suggestions that "we'd all be ruined" if women were given the vote, were wrong. (The Heyfield ones seem to suggest there was a similar locality name around Buxton / Merton - although not far enough north to be the one still known around Myrtleford.) And speaking of women and the vote - Stratford Historical Society hopes to have the 1860s and 1888 shire voting rolls (including the women) out by May. Regards Linda

South Australia was the first place in Australia to give women the vote in municipal and council elections in 1861. They could vote but they couldn't stand for office. In 1894 women were given the right to vote in parliamentary elections in S.A. again the first in Australia. The temperance movement would have generally supported the petitions as they were led by the WCTU (Women's Christian Temperance Union) who were of course closely linked with the Churches especially the protestant churches (not sure about the Catholic Church). Would the relative sizes of the places mentioned have been the same as now? For example Walhalla would have been a lot bigger then than now. Regards, Chris -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Barraclough Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 8:05 AM To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVG] Further on those suffragettes ... I did click that plain text, I did, I did. Sorry everyone - here is the post At 10:24 PM 17/03/2008 +1100, Debbie wrote: >* The rational and actual physical process of who and how the >petition was signed is of great interest. One of the things that I >find most interesting is that areas of a remote and isolated nature >(like Omeo, Walhalla and Orbost) have a high percentage of >signatures - while other areas with denser settlement patterns and >population and an easier terrain - like Sale - have no signatures. It really is a bit weird. There is one Sale signature - she was visiting Brunswick at the time. There are NONE for Maffra, Stratford, Heyfield (see below), Briagolong, Yarram etc. You get a few for Foster, none for Leongatha. You get a few for Rosedale (probably an appropriate number for the town), and then Traralgon, Morwell etc are big and Warragul is appropriate. Bairnsdale has a lot. So what happened in Central Gippsland. Did someone lose the signatures? Did the newspapers in some areas campaign against it? (I would have thought that would be counter-productive). I wonder did the churches play a role? Or the Temperance movement. Or, more likely, did some leaders in each community take it on. And where they did, signatures were collected. And no-one put their hand up in Central Gippsland? Still seems a bit strange. Women in the Shire of Avon (and presumably elsewhere) had the vote in local government elections from the 1860s. So they must have known suggestions that "we'd all be ruined" if women were given the vote, were wrong. (The Heyfield ones seem to suggest there was a similar locality name around Buxton / Merton - although not far enough north to be the one still known around Myrtleford.) And speaking of women and the vote - Stratford Historical Society hopes to have the 1860s and 1888 shire voting rolls (including the women) out by May. Regards Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all (again) I am doing a collective response (at this time) to all those who have responded to my request for biographical info and pics of the women who signed. I hope to get individual responses away to you in the next week or so, but work commitments and "life" presently prevent this. Could I just clarify and respond to a couple of the things mentioned in the responses..... * Once sufficient is collated to make it worthwhile I will put the database up through one of the societies/groups I am involved with for "web" access. So fear not another database to search is looming in the wings ....... * At this point - (though this may change) I am principally concerned with the signatures that appear in the Gippsland region and not of those women who had connections with Gippsland but signed elsewhere - but - as I said this may change and really depends on just how much information comes forward. In the ideal world we would have a database of ALL women who signed. (one day ..... maybe) * The error with the Goochnan entry for Picnic Point (which I also believe to be Goodman) was one of the first things I noticed when I looked at the digitised images. I beleive that there are a couple of other errors also. This is by no way a criticism of the magnificant job that has been done with the transcribing. It is purely "local knowledge" (and almost forty years of dealing with hand written records) that gives me an advantage when reading old documents. I am sure that other local researchers are in the same position to confirm the names. * The rational and actual physical process of who and how the petition was signed is of great interest. One of the things that I find most interesting is that areas of a remote and isolated nature (like Omeo, Walhalla and Orbost) have a high percentage of signatures - while other areas with denser settlement patterns and population and an easier terrain - like Sale - have no signatures. Thank you all .... I will be in touch individually to follow up on the information. Debbie Squires

Hi everyone, I wonder whether anyone knows where Don Macreadie got the photos for his book "Willung 1844-1980" ? On page 21 of this book is a photo of the students at Willung school in 1910. My father and his siblings make up 5 of the 18 students in this photo, and I am keen to get a decent copy of it, as it is the earliest photo we have of them. I understand the book is out of print, and Don himself doesn't have a copy of it anymore. Could anyone hazard a guess as to where the original photo would have come from? Marg in Qld

For those who expected to see more signatures on the petition, bear in mind that these women would probably need to travel to do this. No telephones, radio or tv and probably in many cases only occasional newspaper to provide information it's not hard to see why they didn't sign. When you look at the terrain and the fact that they probably had children at home, endless chores, a horse for transport over rough and mostly muddy tracks through the bush ... I leave it to your imagination. Cheers Shirley

Hello again Deb, I have found another rellieon the list - Alice M. Sloan (nee Powell), Narracan. I will send you a biog & photo. I am amazed at how few names there are on the list - only 2 for Moe, 2 for Narracan and 7 for Trafalgar. Walter

Hi Debbie and other List Members. My great-grandmother, Annie KINNA, is on the list. Details as follows .... Maiden Name: Annie BRADSHAW, daughter of George BRADSHAW, master mariner, and Agnes BRADSHAW, nee RUSSELL. Born: 1861 Sandys Creek, Gippsland. Married: 1883 Presbyterian Church, Bairnsdale. Spouse: Ralph KINNA, bootmaker, Traralgon. Died: 1941 Traralgon. Should you require further details, please do not hesitate to contact me. Regards Sue, NSW. -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Deb Sent: Sunday, 16 March 2008 10:31 PM To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Subject: [AVG] Gippsland women on the Suffrage Petition Hi Listers, Some of you may have heard me recently on our local ABC talking about the Gippsland content of the 1891 Women's Suffrage Petition. I am currently trying to collate biographic details of these women plus, if I can find them, images of them also. I have already found some abnomolities and other tit bit's of info - for instance - where one sister has been living / visiting another and signed the petition at the sister's address. Also some names that have been mistranscribed. Anyone with any info about these women or about the process of how the signing of the petition actually happened would be appreciated. Debbie Squires For listers who don't know what this is about - here is the link to the site http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/WomensPetition/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Debbie, My GOODMAN relations at Picnic Point have been transcribed as GOOCHNAN. I am certain it should be GOODMAN and it would be good if this could be changed. Cheers Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb" <debbie.squires@bigpond.com> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:31 PM Subject: [AVG] Gippsland women on the Suffrage Petition | Hi Listers, | | Some of you may have heard me recently on our local ABC talking about the Gippsland content of the 1891 Women's Suffrage Petition. | | I am currently trying to collate biographic details of these women plus, if I can find them, images of them also. I have already found some abnomolities and other tit bit's of info - for instance - where one sister has been living / visiting another and signed the petition at the sister's address. Also some names that have been mistranscribed. | | Anyone with any info about these women or about the process of how the signing of the petition actually happened would be appreciated. | | Debbie Squires | | For listers who don't know what this is about - here is the link to the site | | http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/WomensPetition/ | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG. | Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 10:34 AM | |

Well, I'm very happy to say that my gt.gt.grandmother, Susan Tanner, signed at Traralgon. (Curious that I have at least 6 other women in various family lines who did not). As a widow she came to Australia in 1874 from Cork, Ireland, with her seven adult children and her husband's brothers and their families, to settle in Callignee, Gippsland. She signed the petition aged 76 but sadly died in 1899 before Women's suffrage became reality. Regards, Sandra PS: Mornington Peninsula FHS have just begun a group project along similar lines. Approximately 80 women on the Peninsula signed (most on the Port Phillip side, but none on the Western Port Bay side). We had admired the online bios that Casterton Historical Society had researched on women from their district, and quickly decided we should do the same, to help redress the balance of male-dominated local history.

Hi Deb, I have sent to your email address biographical information and photos relating to two petitioners - Emma R. Savige (nee Russell) of Moe and Ann Nora Walmsley (later wife of Samuel Savige) of Morwell. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb" <debbie.squires@bigpond.com> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:31 PM Subject: [AVG] Gippsland women on the Suffrage Petition > Hi Listers, > > Some of you may have heard me recently on our local ABC talking about the > Gippsland content of the 1891 Women's Suffrage Petition. > > I am currently trying to collate biographic details of these women plus, > if I can find them, images of them also. I have already found some > abnomolities and other tit bit's of info - for instance - where one sister > has been living / visiting another and signed the petition at the sister's > address. Also some names that have been mistranscribed. > > Anyone with any info about these women or about the process of how the > signing of the petition actually happened would be appreciated. > > Debbie Squires > > For listers who don't know what this is about - here is the link to the > site > > http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/WomensPetition/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Debbie, I have two ancestors who signed at Bairnsdale. I have details of both women but unfortunately no photographs of them. Regards Leanne Watmuff -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Tia McCombes Sent: Monday, 17 March 2008 6:29 AM To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVG] Gippsland women on the Suffrage Petition Hi Debbie I have several relatives who signed, inc my GGrandmother. However she did not sign while living in Gippsland, but she moved there between 1899 and 1903. She is buried at Orbost. By your phrasing, you are only interested in those who were living in the gippsland area at the time of signing (for the purposes of your research that is). Is that right? Hmm... I have a Sarah Jane Wigg (nee Horne) of Bairnsdale who signed, but as she is collaterall on my tree I don't know much about her. Her sister Mrs F Henderson (nee Horne) of Bairnsdale also appears to have signed. Otherwise all the others come vrome elswhere in Victoria. Have a good day Tia McCombes ----- Original Message ---- From: Deb <debbie.squires@bigpond.com> To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2008 10:31:20 PM Subject: [AVG] Gippsland women on the Suffrage Petition Hi Listers, Some of you may have heard me recently on our local ABC talking about the Gippsland content of the 1891 Women's Suffrage Petition. I am currently trying to collate biographic details of these women plus, if I can find them, images of them also. I have already found some abnomolities and other tit bit's of info - for instance - where one sister has been living / visiting another and signed the petition at the sister's address. Also some names that have been mistranscribed. Anyone with any info about these women or about the process of how the signing of the petition actually happened would be appreciated. Debbie Squires For listers who don't know what this is about - here is the link to the site http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/WomensPetition/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------- This communication is only for use of the addressee or intended recipient and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee or intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information within this communication is unauthorised. The legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed by reason of a mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, we would appreciate an immediate notification via e-mail at admin@wentworth.nsw.gov.au, and ask that the e-mail be permanently deleted from your system(s). Wentworth Shire Council. --------------------------

Hello, I have two I can identify, Debbie. Mrs DYAMOND, Bairnsdale. (Think this is my G-Grandmother, Harriet DYAMOND nee CLEAVELAND. Born 1846, died 1925. Lived @ Dawson Street, Bairnsdale, wife of John DYAMOND. Had 15 children.) Emma STONE, Paynesville. (Think this is Emma Eliza STONE nee DYAMOND. Born 1863, died 1940. Daughter of above. Married Robert STONE in 1887. Lived Paynesville.) Is this what you required? Jenny Williams

Hi Everyone I was going through some things of my late Aunt and found a very old photo of a group of fisherman. As my family were fisherman at Lakes Entrance, and the photo has a stamp PB?? Hancock ( a well known Lakes Entrance name) I presume it is from there. If anyone can help positively identify the photo I would greatly appreciate it. Contact me off list and I will send you a copy. Regards Steve

Hi I have a number of relatives who signed this petition who were Gippsland based while others I am not sure about. For example I have relative who signed as Mrs. McDonald - Dunkeld, she is obviously one of mine, but I have 3 ladies who were all Mrs. McDonald. which one is it. I fear some women may not have wanted their husbands to know so initials were omitted. I have some who came from Gippsland but were living in other parts of Victoria in 1891, thus not sure if these of interest. Bruce Watt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb" <debbie.squires@bigpond.com> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:31 PM Subject: [AVG] Gippsland women on the Suffrage Petition > Hi Listers, > > Some of you may have heard me recently on our local ABC talking about the > Gippsland content of the 1891 Women's Suffrage Petition. > > I am currently trying to collate biographic details of these women plus, > if I can find them, images of them also. I have already found some > abnomolities and other tit bit's of info - for instance - where one sister > has been living / visiting another and signed the petition at the sister's > address. Also some names that have been mistranscribed. > > Anyone with any info about these women or about the process of how the > signing of the petition actually happened would be appreciated. > > Debbie Squires > > For listers who don't know what this is about - here is the link to the > site > > http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/WomensPetition/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers, Some of you may have heard me recently on our local ABC talking about the Gippsland content of the 1891 Women's Suffrage Petition. I am currently trying to collate biographic details of these women plus, if I can find them, images of them also. I have already found some abnomolities and other tit bit's of info - for instance - where one sister has been living / visiting another and signed the petition at the sister's address. Also some names that have been mistranscribed. Anyone with any info about these women or about the process of how the signing of the petition actually happened would be appreciated. Debbie Squires For listers who don't know what this is about - here is the link to the site http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/WomensPetition/

Hi Nardia There is no entry in the Bairnsdale registers for David Francis Watson. It may be that he was interred elsewhere or perhaps cremated and the ashes either scattered or, again, interred elsewhere. Cheers the older of the tworobbos

Hi Listers, I've just recently discovered and joined the Lindenow and Gippsland lists. I'm investigating my father Hughie Morrison's family history on his mother's side (the Anton and Harper families of Gippsland). But as my father died at 40 years, I would be pleased to hear from anyone in the Lindenow/Fernbank/Glenaladale/Bairnsdale areas who might have photos or information about Hughie who was raised on a farm at Iguana Creek, went to Glenaladale Estate School, played cricket and football for Glenaladale and Lindenow but died of cancer in 1953 leaving behind a wife and two small daughters (and a third about to be born), on a small farm near the Fingerboards at Fernbank. I'm trying to put together a profile of him, including his youth, sporting life, army service in WWII, brief marriage to my mother and our family life on the farm before his death. I found his 'Lindenow Football Club Premiers 1933' photograph in the 1992 publication 'History of Lindenow and District' by Judy Richardson and Margaret Treasure. Any information would be welcome. Regards, Maureen

Hi I was hoping somebody who has the above cemetery records would be able to let me know if and where this person is buried. I am helping someone. Name: David Francis (Frank) Watson Died: 1989 Born: 5 Dec 1908 I know he wasn't religious but his wife was a Methodist & may have buried him in that section?! Thanks Nardia

I am about to go to publication on a book regarding the life of Frank Moon (Buchan). I am looking for photograph of the Mt Tara fire-spotting tower. Alternatively, a photograph of the tram car that was used as a hut at the tower in the early 1940s would be excellent. Brian Hansford