Dear Listers, WLittle103@aol.com is trying to find the place of burial of her Great Aunt Catherine O'Rourke nee Curran. I have rung Springvale Necropolis on her behalf (as she lives in USA) and there is no record at Melbourne General Cemetery on June 22, 1946. Could skp please look at Warragul Cemetery for her? She was born c. 1861 in Ireland. Perhaps married to Dennis O'Rourke. Parents - Michael and Bridiget Curran. Regards, Ann Burnell

Hi List, Just to announce that the Deputy has been busy, and Morwell War Memorial has now been added to the AVG Homes pages section on war memorials. And, just to save having these announcements all the time, he has now added a "What's New" section fairly high up on the main page - just so you can check what has been added since you were there last. The AVG home page is at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ Cheers Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

> WLittle103@aol.com is trying to find the place of burial of her Great Aunt > Catherine O'Rourke nee Curran. I have rung Springvale Necropolis on her > behalf (as she lives in USA) and there is no record at Melbourne General > Cemetery on June 22, 1946. Could skp please look at Warragul Cemetery for her? > She was born c. 1861 in Ireland. Perhaps married to Dennis O'Rourke. Parents > - Michael and Bridiget Curran. The death certificate states: When and where buried: 22 June 1946. Melbourne General Cemetery undertaker was: J.E.McGiltou or McGiltore Death was registered by. M.J.Affleck at Warragul on 24 June 1946. Her husband was Denis O'ROURKE and she was a widow in 1946 when she died. The above may be "extra help" for the skp that offers to look further!

Good morning Listers, I have been sitting in the background for some time now getting tips and ideas for a family research that I have for a long time wished to start. I have contacted family members and am slooowly getting some information that I can compile. My question/request to the list is, firstly to advertise the names I am starting with (the latest generations) and as I am now a resident of QLD ask any other lister who live away from Gippsland and Melbourne how they go about "official" searches for information of residents of Victoria. On a personal note I find this list very informative and a good place to get tips "from the experts" and also stories about a place I still hold so dear. Kind regard, Marc Goodwin Underwood QLD formerly Yarram-Gippsland Searching for GOODWIN (Melb/Yarram) WILLOUGHBY(Melb. Yarram/Welshpool) HAYES(Melb). -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Marc Goodwin Systems Test Engineer FOXBORO Australia Eight mile plains QLD 4113 Australia e-mail: marcg@foxboro.com.au Telephone: 61 7 3340 2111 Direct: 61 7 3340 2126 Mobile: 0412 262427 Fax: 61 7 3340 2100

Hi Barbara; Thanks very much for the information about Necropolis. Since I live in the U.S.A., a letter seems to be my best bet. Thanks again. Best wishes, Ann

Hi Leesa; Thank you for the correct name for the cemetery. I appreciate your help. Ann

The Necropolis are very helpful, they will answer queries over the phone re St Kilda Cemetery, Melbourne General & Springvale. (03) 9546 9377 I have ansked a question re burial vial their site & e-mail & they ring you back with the answer. However, if interstate may be best to write. Barbara Researching Bethel, Binns, Howe, Welch from Gippsland area

Dear Ann Further to your query the Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton is administered by The Necropolis, Springvale. Sorry I don't know what research facilities they offer or the cost but their contact details can be found on their home page at http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/E/V/MELBO/0047/69/71/1.html and a little about the history of the cemetery can be found under the link "History of Melbourne". Kind regards Karen McCormack Melbourne, Australia karenm@bigpond.net.au -----Original Message----- From: Lee and Leesa MacDonald <l.macdonald@hotkey.net.au> To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, 1 November 1999 10:16 Subject: Re: [AVG] Address >close - Melbourne General Cemetary would be where she would be...Melbourne >being the capital of Victoria. > >cheers, >Leesa >NSW >Australia > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <WLittle103@aol.com> >To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:01 AM >Subject: [AVG] Address > > >> Hello everyone; >> I have just received my G-Aunt's death certificate from a very kind lady >and >> now I'm trying to track down some of the places mentioned on it. I'm >hoping >> to get more information by writing to the Hospital, cemetery etc. >> Could anyone please send me the address of--West Gippsland Hospital ? >> I also have the name of what I think is the cemetery she was buried in but >> some of the writing is hard to read. I think it says--Welbourue General >> Cemetery. >> Next to the place labeled--Undertakers--it says-J.E. McGiltou ? >> All this took place back in 1946, so none of these places may be around by >> now, but I'd very much appreciate it if anyone could tell me anything >about >> them. >> Thank you >> Ann >> USA >> >> >> ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== >> Do YOU know about the Centre for Gippsland Studies at Monash University, >Gippsland Campus? >> http://www-mugc.cc.monash.edu.au/~meredith/gipps_studies/index.html >> > >______________________________

> Could anyone please send me the address of--West Gippsland Hospital ? > I also have the name of what I think is the cemetery she was buried in but > some of the writing is hard to read. I think it says--Welbourue General > Cemetery. > Next to the place labeled--Undertakers--it says-J.E. McGiltou ? Hi West Gippsland Hospital is on Landsborough Road, Warragul Victoria Australia 3820 Could the cemetry be Melbourne General, if she died in Warragul it may be that cemetry. J.E. McGiltou I think is McGilton from memory. Regards Michele

Dear list I haven't sent anything to this list for quite some time although I read with interest and anticipation daily. Thought it was about time I reposted what little I know and nenewed my hope that some kind soul may recognise some of the following information and help me fill in some of the gaps. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated Thanks… and keep up the wonderful work on this great list Ian My ggggrandfather JAMES MCKENZIE married CATHERINE BROWN, in Scotland They had the following children: ALEXANDER - b 1822 - d 1876 (My gggrandfather) ANDREW WILLIAM. JENNET - md Mr NEWAL - a shoemaker from near Dumfries MAREY - md a blacksmith who lived near Annan in 1857 AGNESS - md Mr REMON - a Dutchman. On 10/5/1847 when Alexander was 25, he married ELIZABETH MORGAN, in St Lukes Church, Campbell Town, Tasmania ALEXANDER AND ELIZABETH (NEE MORGAN) MCKENZIE had the following children: CATHERINE (1847-) THOMAS ALEXANDER (1851-1924) (My ggrandfather - spent most of his adult life in Gippsland - Wonga, Foster, Fish Creek etc) JAMES. Born on 29/7/1855 in Melbourne, Victoria. WILLIAM ANDREW (Twin). Born on 11/3/1858 in Melbourne, Victoria. CAMPBELL (Twin). Born on 11/3/1858 in Melbourne, Victoria. Died in 1858. MARY-ANN. Born on 2/6/1860 in Melbourne. ELIZABETH (Twin). Born on 28/8/1865 in Eclipse Creek, Victoria. Died on 22/3/1867 JOHN (Twin). Born on 28/8/1865 at Eclipse Creek, Victoria. Died on 28/1/1875 EDWARD. Born on 7/7/1868 at Eclipse Creek, Victoria. Died on 2/12/1894. Buried in Meredith, Victoria MORGAN. Born on 1/3/1871 at Eclipse Creek, Victoria. Died on 20/6/1872. Buried at Eclipse Creek, Victoria. In 1879 when THOMAS ALEXANDER was 27, he first married ELIZABETH ALLAN, in Egerton. Elizabeth died in Egerton in 1881, she was 23. Born in 1858. They had one child: ELIZABETH ANN "DOLLY" (?1880-?1972) On 23/4/1883 when THOMAS ALEXANDER was 31, he second married ELIZABETH DAVIES They had the following children: EMILY MARIA (1884-1970) MARY-ANN (1885-1969) SUSAN (1886-1969) ALICE. Born on 13/10/1888 in Ballan, Victoria. Alice died on 19/12/1897 VIOLET (1889-) ALEXANDER WILLIAM (1891-1972) EDWARD THOMAS "TED" (1893-1972) JOHN JAMES "JACK". Born on 31/8/1894 in Steiglitz. John James "Jack" died in France on 5/8/1916 ANDREW DONALD (1896-1940) HARRY ALBERT DAVIS (1898-) ROBERT CHARLES (Twin) (1899-) LETITIA VICTORIA "DOT" (Twin) (1899-?1971) DUNCAN (Died as Infant). Born on 16/2/1901 in Forrest, Victoria. Duncan died on 28/2/1901 in Forrest, MORGAN KEYS (1903-1986) FREDERICK VINCENT (1904-1962) ROSE AGNES. Born on 15/6/1906 in Forrest, Victoria. Rose Agnes died in Melbourne, Victoria ? 1939 Married ARTHUR PEDLEY. Rose and Arthur lived on a farm at Foster,. DOUGLAS "PAT" (1910-1977)

Hi people, Jenny from Tasmania has a wedding certifate dated 1847 which lists the bride's residence as "James Neils Station, Gippsland New South Wales" and the groom's residence as "Warbour Hills Station in the District of Port Phillip in the colony of New South Wales" It was not a longlived marriage as the bride died in 1850 at "Troughton Valley, also known as Houghtons. Jenny says that Troughton Valley was in the distrcit of Tarravile Jenny wants more information about the locations. I've looked for the Stations in Billis & Kenyon's Pastoral Pioneers , & Spreadborough's Victorian squatters and an 1879 gazeteer for the place names. Appreciate any help the list can give. cheers, Claire ===== Claire Wood Traralgon, Vic. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

close - Melbourne General Cemetary would be where she would be...Melbourne being the capital of Victoria. cheers, Leesa NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLittle103@aol.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:01 AM Subject: [AVG] Address > Hello everyone; > I have just received my G-Aunt's death certificate from a very kind lady and > now I'm trying to track down some of the places mentioned on it. I'm hoping > to get more information by writing to the Hospital, cemetery etc. > Could anyone please send me the address of--West Gippsland Hospital ? > I also have the name of what I think is the cemetery she was buried in but > some of the writing is hard to read. I think it says--Welbourue General > Cemetery. > Next to the place labeled--Undertakers--it says-J.E. McGiltou ? > All this took place back in 1946, so none of these places may be around by > now, but I'd very much appreciate it if anyone could tell me anything about > them. > Thank you > Ann > USA > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Do YOU know about the Centre for Gippsland Studies at Monash University, Gippsland Campus? > http://www-mugc.cc.monash.edu.au/~meredith/gipps_studies/index.html >

Hello everyone; I have just received my G-Aunt's death certificate from a very kind lady and now I'm trying to track down some of the places mentioned on it. I'm hoping to get more information by writing to the Hospital, cemetery etc. Could anyone please send me the address of--West Gippsland Hospital ? I also have the name of what I think is the cemetery she was buried in but some of the writing is hard to read. I think it says--Welbourue General Cemetery. Next to the place labeled--Undertakers--it says-J.E. McGiltou ? All this took place back in 1946, so none of these places may be around by now, but I'd very much appreciate it if anyone could tell me anything about them. Thank you Ann USA

The Gippsland Time Line is posted to the list in irregular posts - if anyone has any additions, corrections or suggestions, please feel free to engage in historical discussion! :) Some of you may even come up with important dates we have missed. Some state, national and world events are included for comparison. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This time-line is copyright, and was originally extracted from "Steps in Time: A Gippsland Chronology to 1899". Additions by Dr Walter Savige are also acknowledged. It is posted for private study only. Earlier, consolidated posts can be found through the AVG Home Page at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au - ------------------------------------------ 1884 Jan 6: Christina McMillan dies Jan - The township of Waterloo is renamed Yarragon [because there was another town named Waterloo in western Victoria]. Jul: Three Irishmen begin cutting a track from Brodribb to Genoa. Sep: Post office and clock tower completed at Sale. unk: Punt across the Snowy at Orbost begins operation. unk: Commencement of track being cut from Orbost to Bendoc. unk: New land act extends selection into the hills, and designates land as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th class. unk - A tree (Eucalyptus regnans, or Mountain Ash) growing beside McDonald's Track east of Narracan West (Thorpdale South) was felled. Its measured height was 375 feet (114.4 metres). It is acknowledged to have been the world's tallest tree. unk - The name of the village of Narracan West is changed to Thorpdale. unk - New Land Act (Tucker's) is proclaimed, setting aside timber reserves. unk - Townships of Boolarra and Mirboo North are surveyed. unk - First selections in the area near the Latrobe River between Moe and Morwell Bridge, including the site of Yallourn. (This land had been part of Merton Rush Run.) 1885 unk: The Toombon school No. 2654 opened in January 1885, Head teacher was William Volger Mar: The Ethel Jackson arrives in Sale as the first of the Murray River steamers attempting to break into the Lakes trade. Apr 10 - The railway from Morwell to Mirboo North, which is being constructed reaches Boolarra. Apr 14: Township of Orbost proclaimed. Apr 10: Railway from Boolarra to Morwell opened. Jun 16: Regulations establishing Mounted Rifles gazetted. July - The first survey of township lots at Yinnar is made. July - The Sale School of Mines, Art and Technology is opened. Nov 24 - Morwell, Narracan and Mirboo Pastoral and Agricultural Society is formed (President George Glen Auchterlonie of Narracan). A showground near Morwell is acquired where annual Shows are held. unk: School of Arts opened at Sale. unk: Reef gold discovered at Cassilis. unk: A new gaol is built at Sale, but is not occupied until 1887. 1886 Jan: Construction of Sale Canal commenced. Jan 7 - Railway from Morwell to Mirboo North is opened, with stations at Yinnar, Boolarra and Darlimurla. Jan 7: Railway from Morwell to Mirboo North opened. Mar - Walhalla Shire is proclaimed. May 31: W.A. Brodribb dies. unk: 'Half Caste' Act passed. unk: Construction of St Mary's Cathedral Sale commenced. 1887 Mar 18: Railway from Heyfield to Maffra opened. Apr 26: Catholic diocese of Sale created. Jun 28 - A truckload of black coal from Coalville is sent to Melbourne. Aug 25: Rev. Dr James Corbett consecrated first Catholic Bishop of Sale. Nov 8: Railway opened Stratford to Sale. unk: Public Works Department initiates draining of the Moe swamp. unk: Howitt visits Tarli Karng. unk: First selections at Cabbage Tree. 1888 Mar 21: First agricultural show at Maffra May 8: Railway from Sale to Bairnsdale opened. May 8: Railway to Warrington (Thorpedale) opened. (May 8 - Railway from Moe to Warrington (Thorpdale) is opened, with stations at Coalville and Narracan. New townships are being surveyed near the stations, together with connecting roads to McDonald's Track.) May 25 - Woorayl Shire is created by severance of the southern part of Narracan Shire. Jul - The name of Warrington township is changed to Thorpdale, while the name of (Old) Thorpdale (formerly Narracan West), beside McDonalds Track is changed to Thorpdale South. The new township of Narracan is first called "Narracan Railway Station Township" for several years in order to distinguish it from original Narracan township two miles distant beside McDonalds Track. However, a few years later the railway township is renamed Narracan, while the original Narracan township is renamed Narracan East. Sale of housing blocks at Thorpdale townships begins. The large "Narracan district" becomes known as the Thorpdale district. Oct 1: Railway from Dandenong to Tooradin opened, along with seven others on the same date. Oct: Great Morwell Coal Mining Company registered. Nov 26: First co-operative dairy company at Woodleigh in South Gippsland. unk: Large fire at Walhalla, resulting in loss of 30 banks, shops and hotels etc, but no loss of life. unk: Telegraph established at Orbost. unk: Reef gold discovered at Yahoo Creek. unk: The Government appoints a dairy expert to improve the industry. unk: Tourism begins to be directed via Victorian Railways. 1889 Jan: The travelling dairy visits Buln Buln, Hazlewood and Briagolong. Feb: Marlo being surveyed by Bruce. Feb: Lease of mine area formally transferred to the Great Morwell Coal Mining Co. Apr: Tabbara being surveyed by Bruce. unk: The almost completed entrance to the lakes opened by storm. unk: Gold discovered at Orbost and Clarkeville. unk: Cassilis gazetted a town. unk - Electoral redistribution - Gippsland has five Assembly electorates - Gippsland Central, Gippsland East, Gippsland South, Gippsland West and North Gippsland. unk - Work in draining the Kooweerup Swamp is resumed, while drainage of Moe Swamp begins. unk - Fresh Food & Frozen Storage Company is formed, with a creamery at Narracan East, the first in Gippsland.

Hi List, I have just finished an inspection with the Regional and Specialist Museums Advisory Committee of the excellent museums at Foster and Port Albert. It has reminded me that many people do not know, for example, that Lassetter was at Corner Inlet before he went to where-ever he went looking for his reef. His workboat is at Foster Museum. We were talking about light-houses a while ago - and the Cliffy Island Lighthouse workboat is at the Port Albert Maritime Museum. If you want to know more about some of our local museums, you can check Australiam Museums on Line, at http://amol.org.au/ For some there are even have photographs of local items. (Ignore what they have done to mix up the Stratford items!). Through the same site, at Open Collections, you can search a number of collections. For example, there appears to be a huge collection of show ribbons in the Museum of Victoria from the 1930s that include shows at Maffra, Bairnsdale and Sale. And lots of details of local photographs at places like the Gold Museum in Ballarat. Some of our museums appear in the Wellington and East Gippsland Shires pages in resources, but those elsewhere in Gippsland do not have a listing. So I thought I might add a museums page to the AVG home page - details of any museums are welcome. Please feel free to name any gems in the collections that you think we should watch out for when we visit. Cheers Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

Hi List, This message is posted on behalf of Lori at loribyn@corplink.com.au because she and I are having a bounce problem. Cheers Linda - ------------------------------------ John MacDonald came from Baleshare, an island off the coast of North Uist, near Inverness, Scotland. He selected land in the Genoa River area about the mid to late 1880's. He took over the block after it had been thrown open to selection and after it had been forfeited by people named Cousins. At the same time he also took over a block on the opposite side of the Genoa River to Smith's (now DeGeus property) forfeited by Gilian. His son Lachlan MacDonald, lived there briefly when bark stripping. In 1900 he (John) went to Gabo Island as head lighthouse keeper but retired in 1915 to live on his selection 'Inverness Farm' at Gipsy Point. He was a noted bagpipe player, a stickler for correct Highland dress and, so it is said, a distiller of Scotch whisky. (Another book I have said he retired in 1903) R Cameron built the MacDonald cottage with the help of two MacDonald sons, Lachlan and Tom. Later this cottage was removed by John's son in law, Leo Coco. Mrs MacDonald was drowned during the record flood of 1919. She was washed away from a wrecked dinghy. John was also swept away but was noticed by some people at Gipsy Point and Ray Kiernan and Tom MacDonald jumped into a row boat and saved him near Cape Horn. MacDonalds work shed was also swept away. John MacDonald owned the boat 'Lightning' and used her when travelling between Gabo Island and Gipsy Point. MacDonald children: Lachlan married Nellie Smith, Tom, Lea married Ned Smith, Catherine married Leo Coco. Lea and Ned moved to Cabbage Tree Creek. John and Hannah are buried at Gipsy Point cemetery. There is also a Flora Ellen MacDonald buried there in 1930. Leo Coco was buried there in 1963 and his wife Catherine in 1978. Land was set aside for the Gipsy Point cemetery in 1912 and Hannah MacDonald was the first person to be buried there. I trust this is of some help/interest. Regards Lori

Hi Listers I came across this entry in the Sydney Morning Herald in 1891 and thought it might be of interest to someone in Gippsland. Boare birth notice, father Dr William Boare, born at The Pines Maffra Victoria, a son, born August 29 1891, printed in 31 August 1891 (SMH). I am currently indexing the birth, death, marriage, memoriam and funeral notices for the Sydney Morning Herald for 1891 and hope to have it published by the end of November 1999. Regards Carolyn

----- Original Message ----- From: Nandina Morris <nandina@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 28 October, 1999 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Re: Pademelons/unwanted kittens > Hi - I'm interested in your Johnson research. I was a Johnson. My fa came from Ipswich in London. Have recently procured his b. certificate. > His mo Wilhelmena, fa Henry. > Henry was a scientific Instrument Maker. > My fa born 1901. Came to Oz in the 30s I believe, and served in WW2 with the RAAF. > Any connection? > > PS - I won't tell you what I thought Paddymelons were! > Cheers, > > Nandina > nandina@alphalink.com.au > > ---------- > > We used to find them everywhere along the roadsides when we lived in Cobar > > in central NSW > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Graeme R Roberts <graemer@melbpc.org.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: 23 October, 1999 11:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [AVG] Re: Pademelons/unwanted kittens > > > > > > > Hi Lauris > > > You are right on both counts as we in Vic calla shovel a shovel but the > > > other states call things differently i.e. Pork German in SA is Fritz and > > so > > > on however I think the South Australians and the Queenslanders call a > > small > > > melon not unlike a cantaloupe a Paddy Melon.The ones I am thinking about > > > grow along the roadside in the dry areas between Vic and SA borders they > > > could have a smooth skin but the size of a cantaloupe.Come on the > > scraggers. > > > Regards > > > Graeme R Roberts > > > graemer@melbpc.org.au > > > Researching Roberts,Thomas ,Johnson. Millard,Gordon,Herbert,Brucciani > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Lauris Crampton <crampton@senet.com.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 1999 3:51 AM > > > Subject: [AVG] Re: Pademelons/unwanted kittens > > > > > > > > > > Please, cld SKS tell me what a pademelon is? I thought they were some > > > kind > > > > of melon that grows by the side of the road and is yellow in colour, but > > > > now assume that they are some sort of animal - like a kangaroo perhaps. > > I > > > > am a city person from Footscray. > > > > > > > > I wish people wld deal properly with their cats, unsterilized cats are a > > > > curse in the suburbs as well. > > > > > > > > > Lauris > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > > > > Rootsweb asks us to keep our signatures on Mailing Lists short. > > > > Please do not exceed five or six lines on this List. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > > > Please try and edit as much as you can out of return messages to the List. > > It helps make life easier for Rootsweb, as well as all of us on the List. > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > > Please try and edit as much as you can out of return messages to the List. It > > helps make life easier for Rootsweb, as well as all of us on the List. > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb asks us to keep our signatures on Mailing Lists short. > Please do not exceed five or six lines on this List. >

Trying to locate a booklet either to purchase or obtain a photo copy of it. This was put out for the Back To. Any help greatly appreciated Joan Traill

I am trying to find a John Howlett who very kindly on 17 April 1999 sent me a Ged-Com file of his family history. I am delighted to have the information and would like to discuss it with him. Unfortunately in a recent computer upgrade his e-mail address was lost. Hope you are still out there John. Regards, Ann Burnell