I am interested in hearing from anyone who attends the 2000 Archival Support Program "Testing, Training & Talking: Supporting Local Archives" session to be held in Sale on 18 March 2000. If you want more information about this one day session, I am happy to provide it (off list if you like). Heather Birch researching ROBERTS, GAY, WOOD families in the Yarram area

URGENTLY NEED. Is anyone able to access the Australian Electoral Rolls? If so, I am seeking a ERIC HOOD WALKER Last known residence in 1982 - Red Hill (ACT) but he could have moved to another State? ~%%~%~%~%~%%~%~%~%~%%~%~%~%~%%~%~%~%%~ Dianne Carroll Historian, Author & Genealogist Omeo, Victoria, Australia http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/omeo/

Peter, Copies of "Beneath Blue Hills" (1994) by Wal Vardy should be available for purchase from a bookseller in Bairnsdale (where the book was published) or Maffra (where many interested readers should be living). The book was published by Kapana Press, Box 86, Bairnsdale 3875; phone 52-2378 and ."proudly printed in Bairnsdale" by E-Gee Printers Pty Ltd, 45 Macleod St, Bairnsdale 3875, Phone 52-5055. Incidentally, there is a striking photo of John Johnson-Boe on page 5, sporting magnificent mutton-chop sideburns. Walter

Does anyone know where I can access copies of early newspapers covering the Rosedale area from, say, the 1860s to the Great War period? Peter, (the older of the tworobbos) at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera.

I think it's a top idea! Peter, (the older of the tworobbos) at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera.

Hi Everyone, Just a quick thank you to all who have contacted me regarding offers to be on a lookups page for AVG. It certainly seems like we can do it, and the response has been wonderful. I am just a smidge busy at the moment (those in Wellington will understand) and I will get back to you all individually soon. Cheers Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

I would like to advise that the Newspaper Powlett Express 19.11.1909 to 21.8.1969 is held by Wonthaggi Genealogy Inc. Station Museum, Murray Street, Wonthaggi. 3995 Our rooms are open Tues 1 - 4 Thurs & Sat 10 - 4p.m and the films can be viewed on a reader/printer regards Noelen Lyons Librarian Wonthaggi Gen.Inc noelene@compcom.com.au

Hi Listers, I've been subscribed for a while but not done any posting. I have a Robert Alexander Crawford born 1870 to William Crawford and Emma Eliza nee Wilson in NSW> Robert married Ella Curteis McCaul 1908 and the couple had a farmin Gippsland. Robert died in 1922 in Wonthaggi. Ella then married J. W. Agar in 1926. Ella's mother, Emma (also a Crawford - different family) was a friend of Kate Kelly sister to Ned. I am interested to hear from anyone who knows anything about Robert and Ella or their descendants. Regards Denise ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Denise Marriott McMahon Brisbane Queensland Searching - MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria, Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA

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Hi My name is Glenn I see your interest in Korumburra, Inverloch etc I have a lot well most of my relies come from that area you may find something of use on my web site .There are a lot of Photos of the people to back as far as the 1880s . We have a LOT of Inverloch area Photos too from the 1920's (about 50) which I will be adding to the site soon within the next few weeks http://millennium.fortunecity.com/blossom/821 Regards Glenn Newton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" <lloyd.mitchell@mcmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 13 March 2000 2:52 Subject: Re: [AVG] are they in your tree > Hi Michele, > You wrote about some photographs you had: > > based around the Wonthaggi area. Do any of these names fit into your > tree? > > > > Tilly Caple Wonthaggi > > Kitty Crombie > > Kathleen Pettit > > Edith Mitchell > > What period are they from? > > One of my grandfather's sisters was an Edith Mitchell, born in 1886. The > family were in the Korumburra area from about 1890 (until now actually). She > was married in 1911, but it's possible she was still called Edith Mitchell > until much later; that's a bit of a family habit. > > I don't recognize any of the other names, but would very interested if you > think there's a match. > > All the best > > Lloyd > > MITCHELLS AND WALKERS in Kardella, Korumburra, Inverloch etc etc from > 1890s. > > > >

Walter Do you know where I can obtain a copy of "Beneath Blue Hills"? Peter, (the older of the tworobbos) at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera.

Hi List Linda wrote: < Helene, who a short time ago offered lookups from her Rosedale index, has kindly allowed the whole index to be uploaded to the AVG home page. > I have had correspondence with Helene re my wife's Smith ancestors mentioned in the book and for the benefit of others researching the index I advise that 1. below is the son of 2. below. These two have no connection with any of the other Smiths listed in the index. 1. Charles Smith was born at Port Albert in 1859, and moved to Rosedale in 1864. His father secured, by ballot, a 70 acre selection on Blind Joe's Creek. "Four of his brothers, Alf, Jack, Jim, and Dave Smith still live (1930) in Rosedale." The Cemetery Register shows the deaths of a Jim Smith in 1936, a David Smith in 1937, a Jack Smith in 1938, and an Alf Smith in 1953 (82 years). 2. Charles Smith was born in England in 1826, and arrived in Gippsland in 1856. He bought 314 acres of land at Rosedale,- "Woodland Farm. A Charles Smith, aged 88. died at Rosedale in 1915, an age and date that agrees with the date of birth given (1826). Charles junior (1.) was one of 14 children born to Charles senior (2.) and his wife Maria, nee GALLAGHER - all but two surviving to adulthood. Charles the elder was born at Faversham, Kent, and went to sea at an early age (about 14) and served with both Royal and Merchant navies, finally 'coming ashore' at Port Albert in 1856. Peter, (the older of the tworobbos) at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera.

< I wouldlike to differ slightly from Linda on the 19th use of this word . Can anyone tell me what the 20th use was?!! My wife says a gentleman is one who lowers the toilet seat after use! Peter, (the older of the tworobbos) at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera.

Hi Michele, You wrote about some photographs you had: > based around the Wonthaggi area. Do any of these names fit into your tree? > > Tilly Caple Wonthaggi > Kitty Crombie > Kathleen Pettit > Edith Mitchell What period are they from? One of my grandfather's sisters was an Edith Mitchell, born in 1886. The family were in the Korumburra area from about 1890 (until now actually). She was married in 1911, but it's possible she was still called Edith Mitchell until much later; that's a bit of a family habit. I don't recognize any of the other names, but would very interested if you think there's a match. All the best Lloyd MITCHELLS AND WALKERS in Kardella, Korumburra, Inverloch etc etc from 1890s.

Kathleen, I presume that you mean that Owen and Kate were married in 1893 rather than 1983 as my screen shows. Since you can find no record of them in Victoria after the marriage, I tend to agree with Linda that they probably moved interstate (or New Zealand). You could be in for a lengthy search - BDMs (births 1893-1900 and later deaths), directories 1893-1900, the 1899 referendum roll and electoral rolls - especially the 1903 roll when women were first included. Walter Savige

Hi List, The Deputy and I have been toying with the idea of adding a "lookups" page to the AVG Home Page. This would be a site where people could give details of records they have that they are willing to do lookups from. These could be either published Gippsland histories, unique material that they may have, or possibly some of the vital records that are around on CD-ROMs and fiche. You could perhaps answer to the list, or e-mail me directly on kapana@netspace.net.au What do people think???? Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

Hi List, Helene, who a short time ago offered lookups from her Rosedale index, has kindly allowed the whole index to be uploaded to the AVG home page. This has caused the Deputy to create a whole new site for indexes to Gippsland local histories, and caused me to promise I will dig fifty or so out in about a week's time and upload them all there as well. If there is anyone out there interested in indexing a local history, there are also some starting points on the site about "claiming a book". Thanks Helen and Dep. Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

I would like to agree in part here with Robert, retirement was certainly not a requirement for a man to declare he was a 'gentleman'. 'Gentleman' was also a very class-conscious declaration of status as Robert has correctly identified as meaning someone who was not dependant on a trade or profession for their income, however this is a definition in the truest British sense. A good discussion on the history and definitions of the title of gentleman can be found in 'The British Aristrocracy' by Mark Bence-Jones and Hugh Montgomery-Massingbird, Constable and Company, London, 1979. I would suggest that in Australia this also extended to those who were of sufficient wealth and power to not have to be concerned with the day to day hassles of earning a living, eg the 'boss'. Others who didn't fit this scenario also used the title if they had come from a line of 'real' gentlemen (I can think of a couple of cases in my own family). It would also not be surprising that many used the term of 'gentleman' for social snobbery reasons if they thought they could get away with it. A very tenuous description in 19th century Australia whichever way you look at it! Regards Viv

Hi List, My first quick reaction to this is to ask how soon after the marriage was the first child born? Or can you not find one because they went interstate immediately. It is always a consideration for Abbotsford, which had a large convent where country girls who got into trouble went to to wait for and have their babies. All sorts of scenarios are posisble when you consider that. A gentleman generally means someone living in retirement on their own means, although it MAY extend to a pastoralist (as distinct from a farmer). I do have both gentlewoman and "living at home" on certificates - it is up to the interpretation of the registrar. At 11:07 PM 10/03/00 PST, you wrote: >Owen Conlley b.1869 attended school Thorpdale - his father Francis was a >selector. While I have traced most of the Conlley (also spelt Conley & >other derivatives) family, Owen is a bit of a mystery. He married Kate >Allen at Abbotsford in Sept.1983. Both gave their usual address as Thorpdale >and current address as Trafalgar. Kate's occupation is given as >"dressmaker" and her father is listed as "Gentleman" of Coop Coop near >St.Arnaud. Cheers Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

I wouldlike to differ slightly from Linda on the 19th use of this word. It was not necessary to be in retirement. In 1898, Pears Cyclopaedia gave the definition: 'A man of good breeding and education'. I believe it commonly meant anyone who did not depend on a trade or profession for an income ('of independent means'). His wife (and daughter?), of course, was a 'gentlewoman'. Hope this is helpful. Robert Luxton