Thanks Jacinta Thats definatly my lot do you have anything else? What is your conection? He was my great grandfather, but he had ten children so there are plenty of branches to the family. Sue McFarlane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Thanks Linda I'll try and talk a bit quieter, I'm in Briagolong too, so perhaps I need not yell. My O'Doherty's came to Sale from Ireland and was married in the Catholic church in Sale in the early 1800's, His name was Robert and his date of birth was 1864. He married an Aus born woman called Margaret O'Donohue, who was born in Kynton. I need his parents names and other info. The Armstrongs came from Scotland and settled mainly in Melbourne, their names were Thomas Armstrong and Mary nee Little. But some of their children married into the Buntine family and moved to the Toongabbie area. Any ideas where to look next would be great. Sue McFarlane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

HI IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WITH INFORMATION ON ARMSTRONG'S OR O'DOHERTY'S. I NEW SO IF I'M NOT FOLLOWING PROTOCOL PLEASE FORGIVE ME! THANKS SUE MCFARLANE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

If it is acceptable , could you please forward/redirect this (as an announcement) to your list, as the area covered abuts your list. The details of the new list are: - ------------------------------------------------------------- The AUS-VIC-NE is a discussion area for anyone who has an interest in family and local history relating to the North East area of the state of Victoria in Australia. For the purpose of this list, the North East is defined as that area of Victoria, north and east of Melbourne (but not including Melbourne and its surrounds), south of the New South Wales border and north of the Great Dividing Range. The major towns included are Alexandra, Beechworth, Benalla, Bright, Chiltern, Cobram, Corryong, Eskdale, Euroa, Mansfield, Mt Beauty, Myrtleford, Nathalia, Rutherglen, Shepparton, Tallangatta, Violet Town, Wangaratta, Wodonga/Albury and Yarrawonga. If anybody has connections in that area, please subscribe by sending "the normal Rootsweb" (which means an email to either of the below addresses) which contains the word 'subscribe' in the body of the message to either AUS-VIC-NE-L-request@rootsweb.com for list mode subscribers or AUS-VIC-NE-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode subscribers A support website at <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVNE/> has further details of this mailing list." If you have questions please contact Peter Lakeman at surreal@netspace.net.au

Please, does anyone have a copy of the book Story of the Dandenongs by Helen Coulson available for sale? Shirley Westaway Foster, Vic

Hi List, Sometimes, good things happen! Wellington shire has received funding to carry out a Stage One Heritage study for the shire. This involves the writing of an environmental history, and the identification (but not assessment) of all sites of historic interest in the shire. So, once it gets up and going in a couple of months, you get your chance to say all about the interesting and important buildings, structures, places, gardens, trees, cattle yards, drinking fountains etc within the shire. With the exception of Sale and Port Albert, where this process has already occurred. Cheers Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ PS there are some new indexes on the AVG index page - mainly Briagolong, Valencia Creek, Newry, Bendoc/Delegate

Dear List, Just back from the mountains - plenty of those here in Switzerland - and have read all the messages abt MEWBURN. I would like to thank everyone for their contributions - I have enjoyed reading them. Off to buy the books and do some more research. And wishing I could pop down and see the Olympic ski jump at Serpintine Creek... Regards Kim Harbeck Steiger Switzerland

When I left my job as a legal secretary with Melbourne solicitors in 1954, we were still addressing mail to J. Blow., Esq. and I can't ever remember writing to a Mr. Shirley

Grants now open - community groups urged to help preserve Aussie heritage The Director General of the National Library of Australia, Ms Jan Fullerton, is pleased to launch the Community Heritage Grants 2000 program. Community Heritage Grants of up to $8,000 assist in the preservation of documentary heritage material that is judged to be of national significance. Whilst speaking about the program, Ms Fullerton indicated that much of the documentary heritage found within the archives of community based organisations was of vital importance to the wealth of collected knowledge about Australia and the Australian way of life. "The Community Heritage Grants make a difference. The program raises awareness of the importance of saving our heritage and provides a practical, accessible solution for community groups to help preserve their own history," Ms Fullerton said. Towns and communities across Australia including indigenous groups, multicultural groups and historical societies are encouraged to apply. This year's recipients will join 140 community organisations from around Australia who have already benefited from funds provided in past years. Since 1994, over $400,000 has been awarded. Whilst a wide range of activities may qualify for grants, the main purpose of the funding is to help community organisations provide the means and the expertise to implement their own preservation programs. Programs may include copying documents and photographs to more stable formats such as microfilm, storing letter collections and business records, providing preservation and conservation training and developing cooperative preservation projects. The Community Heritage Grants program is jointly funded by the National Library of Australia and the Department of Communications, Information Technology and the Arts through its Distributed National Collection Program. Ansett Australia provides additional support for the Community Heritage Grants 2000 program. Application kits for Community Heritage Grants 2000 are available from the National Library of Australia ph: 02 6262 1147 or download via the Internet: http://www.nla.gov.au/chg/ Applications close Friday 16 June, 2000. -- Coral Dow Information Specialist Social Policy Group Parliamentary Library CANBERRA 2600 Ph: 02 6277 2414 Fax: 02 6277 2407 email: coral.dow@aph.gov.au

I too remember the use of 'Esquire'....my late Dad, a grazier, in South Gippsland, also received letters from his Stock & Station Agents addressed as Linda described. He also insisted he was a Grazier and not a Farmer and I was duly instructed to fill in any forms requiring Fathers Occupation as such. I personally couldn't see the difference, but it was important to Dad. He said it showed respect for him!!! BTW, my grandfather described his father as a Gentleman on his wedding certificate....I think in that case it meant he was unemployed!!!! Helene Helene J Hayes Pakenham Vic helenh@nex.net.au

Is anyone tracing the family of Samuel SAVAGE(1833-1913) & Elizabeth Jane SLEEP(1830-1918) or any of their eleven children???? The children were born between 1855 & 1882 and their descendants include the following surnames: SAVAGE GREAVES KIRKHAM TONKIN SCOTT HOUSTON MAWBY RICHARDS HARDING COSTELLO STEWART ROBBINS McCANN ELLIS ROBINSON Please email me for details or if there is any connection. Kind regards Sue Thomas New Zealand

As one of the ones who started this off (when Viv gently disagreed with my retired draper who was the son of an engine driver being described as a gentleman) there is one clarification, and one interesting red herring I wish to add. Firstly, a lot depends on if it is someone describing themselves or, in the above case, a semi-educated registrar attempting to fill in part of a form. I don't believe my retired draper ever described himself as a gentleman, but it was the solution used at that time, by that official, presented with a particular description of his circumstances. There are many shades of meaning. My red herring is the use of the term "esquire", which is now archaic. I am sure it was used in a consdierably different way during the crusades/middle ages, when it was the trainee assistant to a knight. Yet my father, as the proprietor of a grazing property north of Licola, in the 1950s, always had letters arriving for him from the stock and station agency that he used, addressed to him with the letters "Esq" after his name. When I enquired of him what it meant, he said they did them all that way, and it was their way of buttering him up! Cheers Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

While Marion Le Cheminant and I were researching the background for publication of Henry Meyrick's letters we came across the Melbourne Club of the 1840s. To belong, one was assumed to be a gentleman but a number of professions as well as pastoral interests were represented - magistrate, doctor, and so on clearly indicate that one could work for a living provided it was a socially accepted one. Living on "independent means" was not part of the definition in the colonies. Henry and his cousins chose not to belong but were included in the social circle which centred around members. Although they were quite young and little more than struggling farmers, they were eligible for entry on the sole fact that their respective fathers were clergymen. Yours, Jeremy Look me up at www.maffra.net.au/jjbpage.htm

Dear AVGers, Having been 'the Deputy' on this AVG list since its inception, I have finally decided to step out and create my own regional list (although I have maintained four surname lists). So I have created the AUS-VIC-NE list. Although I live in Traralgon, all my ancestors come from Euroa, Benalla Beechworth, and numerous small places in between. The purpose of the list is: "The AUS-VIC-NE is a discussion area for anyone who has an interest in family and local history relating to the North East area of the state of Victoria in Australia. For the purpose of this list, the North East is defined as that area of Victoria, north and east of Melbourne (but not including Melbourne and its surrounds), south of the New South Wales border and north of the Great Dividing Range. The major towns included are Alexandra, Beechworth, Benalla, Bright, Chiltern, Cobram, Corryong, Eskdale, Euroa, Mansfield, Mt Beauty, Myrtleford, Nathalia, Rutherglen, Shepparton, Tallangatta, Violet Town, Wangaratta, Wodonga/Albury and Yarrawonga." So if anybody has connections in that area, please subscribe by sending 'the normal Rootsweb' subscribe message (which is purely the word subscribe in the body of the email) to either AUS-VIC-NE-L-request@rootsweb.com for list mode subscribers or AUS-VIC-NE-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode subscribers I'm willing to do anything to avoid adding Linda's indexes to the AVG, so please subscribe to AVNE, then I'll have a good excuse (although I'm sure it won't work anyway) :) And if anybody is interested in the BAMFORD, BARBER, FIELD, LAKEMAN and MARRS surnames in Victoria, please write to me directly. Peter Lakeman surreal@netspace.net.au

Interested in hearing from anyone who is willing to share information on their SLOAN/E surname interests. Particularly those who settled in Wonthaggi, but anywhere else in Gippsland would be of interest too! Hoping to find a few holes in "brick wall". Regards, Gaynor, Warm sunny Mooroolbark,Vic. Names researching: Scotland - Aust.: SLOAN, URQUHART, CONNELL, MCNEIL, CAMPBELL, STOTT, PATERSON, DUNLOP, MCKENZIE, SMITH, PHILLIPS Cornwall - Aust: STEPHENS, PENALUNA, HOLMAN, WARD, DAVIS, WILLIAMS, WEBSTER, LANYON, CAREY, Lancashire England - Aust: HARTLEY, HICKSON, HILTON England: FARTHING, HEWISH, ALLEN, SYMES, MCCROSSEN New Zealand: MORRIS (SLOAN/E's in Aust. website under construction)

I think you'll find your ggg grandfather was a man if independant means who left his widow with a substantial private income. Shirley

At present I have a library copy of 'With Mud on Their Boots' so please email me privately for a reference. Bear in mind that the book is not indexed so I have to work my way through it. Cheers Shirley

The Testing, Training & Talking: Supporting Local Archives program is presented by the Australian Council of Archives and the Australian Society of Archivists. The first session is on Saturday 18 March from 9.30 - 4.00 pm at the Gippsland Art Gallery, Council Chambers, 68 Foster Street, Sale. Cost is $15.00. The deadline for registration was 6 March. If anyone is interested, it's probably worth contacting Anne Piggott at the Public Record Office on tel 03 9285 7944. The program includes introduction to archives, conservation, promotion, funding and problem solving sessions. Later sessions are at Geelong, Echuca and Melbourne. Heather Birch

Glad to hear that someone still listens to the ABC. However, while the full version of my interview was aired early in the morning, during which I mentioned our proposed new exhibition and our new web site, only an edited version apparently went to air in the middle of the day. Somehow a "new exhibition" had in the meantime become a "new museum". Actually we've been open since 1985! No wonder we have difficulty in getting history right when a new 'truth' can be invented in less than half a day. At the risk of repeating myself, may I direct interested persons to our web site: www.maffra.net.au/heritage Yours, Jeremy

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:15:12 +1100, Dianne Carroll wrote: >Is anyone able to access the Australian Electoral Rolls? You can too, hopefully there is a Divisional Office of the Australia Electoral Commission close to Omeo. If so, you can beetle into it and look at the roll for all of Australia on microfiche. Cheers, Tom (Tom Perrett) <tomp@st.net.au>