Please Unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-D@rootsweb.com <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 10 June 2000 1:01 PM Subject: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-D Digest V00 #125

Records of Sale Cemetery are held only by the cemetery trust. There is no Glengarry Cemetery - it is roughly midway between Toongabbie and Traralgon, although may well depend on where earlier family have been buried. Rosedale is not an impossibility. Linda >Could anyone tell me where to find lists for Sale and Glengarry cemetry's. >I have a woman who died in 1946 in Sale but I think she lived in Glengarry >at the time so I'm not sure where she will have been buried. Thanks Sue >McFarlane

Sue Our club, Mid-Gippsland F.H.S. has recently purchased fiche of Sale cemetery. I don't know to what extent they inform the viewer but they are around. If you don't receive any other replies that are going to help you get back to me and I will look up at the club next time I am in there. Regards Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: SUE MCFARLANE <mcfarlane_sue@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: [AVG] SALE/GLENGARRY CEMETRY > Hi List > Could anyone tell me where to find lists for Sale and Glengarry cemetry's. > I have a woman who died in 1946 in Sale but I think she lived in Glengarry > at the time so I'm not sure where she will have been buried. Thanks Sue > McFarlane > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Lookups are available by going to the AVG home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ and from there to Lookups. If the lookup that you need isn't listed there, and is a GIPPSLAND one, then it is appropriate to ask on list. > >

I have in my possession two documents relating to my late mother-in-law. One is a "Notice To Parents" issued to her parents instructing them to arrange for her vaccination "within six months" from the date of birth - issued on 4th June 1906 under the Health Act of 1890. The other is a "Certificate Of Successful Vaccination" issued on October 18th 1906. Now, whilst both of these documents refer repeatedly to "vaccination" not once does either of them refer to the condition that required said jab with the needle. Can someone out there tell me what she would have been vaccinated against? Regards Peter, the older of the two Robbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera

Be re-assured everyone, that I have received this message - and if anyone else has trouble unsubscribing from "related Rootsweb" mailings, that instructions are on it how to unsubscribe - that is not something individual listowners can control. If you are ever having trouble unsubscribing from a list, check to ensure you are unsubscribing from the correct mode - from the Digest if you are on the digest at AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com from the List if you are on the list at AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com For newbies - if you receive a bounce, try reading the message (although they sometimes confuse me!). It generally means a server is down for a short time (as may have been the case this time as other messages are coming through), and if you resend some time later, the message will go through. Failing that, it is always worth checking that you have typed the e-mail address properly. :) Linda >I am trying yo UNSUBSCRIBE. I have successfully done so for >two other lists, but for some reason I continue to receive mailings >for Gippsland.. I also wish to discontinue, for the moment, the >related "Rootsweb" mailings. I have tried to get in touch with > Linda Baraclough on her private e-mail, but it has "bounced". > >Can anyone please get a message through her for me?

Dear Listers, Could Linda or someone help me out please? I am trying yo UNSUBSCRIBE. I have successfully done so for two other lists, but for some reason I continue to receive mailings for Gippsland.. I also wish to discontinue, for the moment, the related "Rootsweb" mailings. I have tried to get in touch with Linda Baraclough on her private e-mail, but it has "bounced". Can anyone please get a message through her for me? I would be most appreciative. Gary Matthews

Jenny, I have currently have the Trafalgar Records. -^-*-^- -^-*-^- -^-*-^- -^-*-^- -^-*-^- -^-*-^- -^-*-^- -^-*-^- -^-*-^- Dianne Carroll Author * Historian * Genealogist http://www4.users.tpg.com/omeo http://home.iprimus.com.au/yarragon (coming soon)

Hello Everyone, Just to let you all know that l now have a new email address. Former one was bennettfamily@net-tech.com.au The new one is now bennett@nex.net.au If anyone has sent me an email, please forward to my new email address Thankyou Kerry in Australia, bennett@nex.net.au

Seen on the Goldfields List - can anyone help??? Linda ========================================================= Hi List, Can anyone help with the location of Stewart's Creek in East Gippsland? I have an accident listed as happening in a mine there, but can't find it on the map. Dave in Ballarat. devans@giant.net.au

Hello Listers, South Gippsland Genealogy Society are having a seminar conducted by Lady Mary Teviot, an English researcher. Date Sat 19th Aug 2000. Place Uniting Church Hall, Peart St, Leongatha. Ample parking at rear of church. Time 9.30 am Registration and a cuppa. Seminar to start at 10.00 am. till 4 pm. Subjects The Parish Chest Census Returns. London Sources for Research. I Never Thought of That. Have You Missed a Clue. Cost $12 BYO Lunch. Morning and afternoon tea provided. Tea and coffee available thorough out the day. Lady Mary will have her books for sale. There will be a door prize and a raffle. Contact phone number = Pat Bates 56 623354. We look forward to a great day with Lady Mary. Pat Bates.

Hi all please excuse length of report did not want to send as attachment but am stuck with this family in UK and where they disapeared to from Uk hope their is someone out there that can help me find some of these people Once again I apoligise for length but hopefully I will get some positive feed back Graeme Descendants of Thomas Robinson Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS1 ROBINSON was born Abt. 1725. He married MARY FULLER. Children of THOMAS ROBINSON and MARY FULLER are: 2. i. THOMAS2 ROBINSON, b. November 14, 1751, Bubbenhall Warwick England; d. November 18, 1816, Warmington UK. ii. ROSAMOND ROBINSON, b. January 14, 1748/49, Harold Bedford Englang. Generation No. 2 2. THOMAS2 ROBINSON (THOMAS1) was born November 14, 1751 in Bubbenhall Warwick England, and died November 18, 1816 in Warmington UK. He married (1) ROSE WRIGHTON July 06, 1772 in Warmington Church. She was born Abt. 1750, and died December 03, 1792 in Warmington UK. He married (2) ANN NORTON May 09, 1796 in Warmington church. She was born Unknown, and died Abt. 1847. Children of THOMAS ROBINSON and ROSE WRIGHTON are: 3. i. ELIZABETH3 ROBINSON, b. March 17, 1774. ii. SARAH ROBINSON, b. March 26, 1776. 4. iii. JOHN ROBINSON, b. November 27, 1777, Warmington UK; d. Abt. 1885, Warmington UK. iv. JOSEPH ROBINSON, b. May 24, 1780. 5. v. ANNE ROBINSON, b. February 06, 1782. 6. vi. THOMAS ROBINSON, b. March 28, 1783; d. Abt. 1845. vii. RICHARD ROBINSON, b. April 17, 1786; d. 1859, Workhouse. viii. WILLIAM ROBINSON, b. May 24, 1790. Generation No. 3 3. ELIZABETH3 ROBINSON (THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born March 17, 1774. She married THOMAS NORTON October 29, 1795 in Warmington Church. He was born Abt. 1774. Child of ELIZABETH ROBINSON and THOMAS NORTON is: i. SARAH4 NORTON, b. January 30, 1796, Warmington Warwick England. 4. JOHN3 ROBINSON (THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born November 27, 1777 in Warmington UK, and died Abt. 1885 in Warmington UK. He married FRANCES NORTON May 13, 1800 in Batch number M143881. She was born Abt. 1780 in Shotswell UK, and died Abt. 1852. Children of JOHN ROBINSON and FRANCES NORTON are: i. ANN4 ROBINSON, b. November 20, 1803; m. GEORGE MITCHEL, 1833. ii. SARAH ROBINSON, b. August 31, 1806; m. GEORGE TURVEY, 1827. 7. iii. JOSEPH ROBINSON, b. June 18, 1809, Warmington Warwick EnglandBatch number C045841. 8. iv. THOMAS ROBINSON, b. April 19, 1812, Warmington Warwick England Batch number M045841; d. May 31, 1893, Paynesville Vic ref 7297 aged 81 and six weeks Buried Bairndale cem.. 9. v. JOHN ROBINSON, b. October 16, 1814. 10. vi. HENRY ROBINSON, b. March 05, 1818; d. 1888. 5. ANNE3 ROBINSON (THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born February 06, 1782. She married THOMAS WASHBROOK April 18, 1808 in Warmington Church. Child of ANNE ROBINSON and THOMAS WASHBROOK is: i. BETSY4 WASHBROOK, b. May 29, 1808. 6. THOMAS3 ROBINSON (THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born March 28, 1783, and died Abt. 1845. He married (1) HANNAH MITCHEL June 25, 1810 in Warmington Church. She was born 1784, and died 1814. He married (2) ELIZABETH EDWARDS June 05, 1823 in Warmington Church. Children of THOMAS ROBINSON and HANNAH MITCHEL are: i. WILLIAM4 ROBINSON, b. 1810. ii. JOSEPH ROBINSON, b. 1812; d. 1815. iii. ANN ROBINSON, b. 1813; d. 1813. Generation No. 4 7. JOSEPH4 ROBINSON (JOHN3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born June 18, 1809 in Warmington Warwick EnglandBatch number C045841. He married ANNE GARDNER October 17, 1833 in Warmington Warwick England Batch number M045841. She was born Abt. 1818 in Ratley Warwickshire. Children of JOSEPH ROBINSON and ANNE GARDNER are: i. THOMAS5 ROBINSON, b. April 12, 1835, Warmington Warwick England; d. 1887; m. HARRIET GARDNER, 1867; b. Abt. 1849, Warmington Warwick UK. ii. HENRY ROBINSON, b. August 20, 1837, Warmington Warwick England; d. 1854. iii. WILLIAM ROBINSON, b. 1838. iv. JOSEPH ROBINSON, b. June 20, 1841, Warmington Warwick England. 11. v. FANNY ROBINSON, b. February 11, 1844, Warmington Warwick UK.. vi. ELIZABETH ROBINSON, b. June 21, 1846. 8. THOMAS4 ROBINSON (JOHN3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born April 19, 1812 in Warmington Warwick England Batch number M045841, and died May 31, 1893 in Paynesville Vic ref 7297 aged 81 and six weeks Buried Bairndale cem.. He married ELIZABETH BEASLEY March 31, 1834 in Warmington Warick England, daughter of JOHN BEASLEY and SARAH LONDON. She was born July 23, 1809 in Woburn Buckingham England, and died March 14, 1886 in Aged 69 Bellarine Vic. More About THOMAS ROBINSON: Burial: June 02, 1893, Bairnsdale Cem Children of THOMAS ROBINSON and ELIZABETH BEASLEY are: 12. i. SARAH5 ROBINSON, b. August 24, 1834, Warmington UK; d. June 22, 1916, Parnesville. ii. JOHN ROBINSON, b. March 06, 1836, Warmington UK; d. Abt. 1851, Warmington UK. iii. ANNE ROBINSON, b. January 07, 1838. iv. FANNY ROBINSON, b. February 16, 1840, Warmington UK; d. Abt. 1842, Warmington UK. 13. v. THOMAS CHARLES ROBINSON, b. August 28, 1842, Warmington Warick England; d. March 01, 1922, Possably Bairnsdale Victoria 1922 aged 79 reg no. 126. vi. FANNY ROBINSON, b. November 05, 1844. vii. ELIZABETH ROBINSON, b. May 14, 1847; d. April 04, 1927, aged 80 ref 4014 Bainsdale Vic. Bairsdale &District Hospital; m. JOHN WILLIAM ANDERSON, 1884, Parnesville. 14. viii. JAMES ROBINSON, b. June 05, 1853; d. 1887, Bellarine aged 35. 9. JOHN4 ROBINSON (JOHN3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born October 16, 1814. He married ANN HANWELL. She was born Abt. 1816. Child of JOHN ROBINSON and ANN HANWELL is: i. WILLIAM5 ROBINSON, b. March 04, 1838, Warmington Warwick Uk batch number C045841. 10. HENRY4 ROBINSON (JOHN3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born March 05, 1818, and died 1888. He married ELIZABETH JARVIS 1846. Children of HENRY ROBINSON and ELIZABETH JARVIS are: i. JOHN5 ROBINSON, b. 1847. ii. GEORGE ROBINSON, b. 1856. iii. THOMAS ROBINSON, b. 1860. iv. SARAH ELIZABETH ROBINSON, b. 1865; m. JOHN EDWARD BURNS. Generation No. 5 11. FANNY5 ROBINSON (JOSEPH4, JOHN3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born February 11, 1844 in Warmington Warwick UK.. Child of FANNY ROBINSON is: i. SARAH6 ROBINSON, b. February 09, 1873, Banbury Oxford UK>. 12. SARAH5 ROBINSON (THOMAS4, JOHN3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born August 24, 1834 in Warmington UK, and died June 22, 1916 in Parnesville. She married MICHAEL MELVILLE August 03, 1867 in Presbyterian Church Conneware Vic. ref 3028, son of PATRICK MELVILLE and ARABELLA CULLEN. He was born in Geelong Vic.. Children of SARAH ROBINSON and MICHAEL MELVILLE are: i. ANNIE6 MELVILLE, b. Unknown. ii. EMILY MELVILLE, b. 1873, East Bellarine ref no. 22092. 13. THOMAS CHARLES5 ROBINSON (THOMAS4, JOHN3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born August 28, 1842 in Warmington Warick England, and died March 01, 1922 in Possably Bairnsdale Victoria 1922 aged 79 reg no. 126. He married ELLEN MARY GARLICK May 10, 1865, daughter of WILLIAM GARLICK and MARY DEAN. She was born November 1845, and died 1915 in Sale Victoria 15330. More About THOMAS CHARLES ROBINSON: Baptism: Orivate school England Burial: 1857, May of this year arrived Australia Christened: 1843, Born at Worington England (Manchester) Endowment: Possably Weleyan State School Fact 6: Other family Indented Heads Fact 7: discribed as short extremley strong and Fact 8: Bulled necked Seal to Parents: Buried Payneville Cemetry More About ELLEN MARY GARLICK: Cause of Death: Old Age Children of THOMAS ROBINSON and ELLEN GARLICK are: i. WILLIAM6 ROBINSON, b. October 27, 1866, Indented Heads Reg. 19757; d. 1919; m. CATHERINE FLORENCE MCTAGGART, 1893, #850. ii. FREDERICK THOMAS ROBINSON, b. August 29, 1868, Bellarine Reg. No. 14373; d. 1917, Portarlinton; m. EVA MAY SARAH RATCLIFFE, 1892, #4356; b. Abt. 1878, Tarra #19524. More About FREDERICK THOMAS ROBINSON: Cause of Death: Drowned iii. ELIZABETH MARY ROBINSON, b. August 01, 1870, Bellarine Reg. 13884; d. March 29, 1932, Kew age 61 #6060; m. ADAM WILSON, 1896, #4397; b. July 01, 1896. iv. JAMES HUGH ROBINSON, b. January 01, 1872, Portarlington ? Reg. 14212; d. April 11, 1935, Bair Victoria ref no. 13550; m. FLORENCE AGNES BOLLEMAN, 1896; b. 1877, Collingwood #7962; d. 1956, age 79 #19835 Bairnsdale. v. THOMAS NELSON ROBINSON, b. 1874, Bellarine Reg. 14018; d. 1932, Richmond Victoria aged 57 reg no.3348; m. JUANITA HIBBS, Abt. 1903, ref 1054. vi. FANNIE ELLEN ROBINSON, b. November 06, 1876; d. 1956, age 76 Sale #23623; m. ARCH MCTAGGERT, 1901, ##7435. vii. LUKE JOHN VICTORIA ROBINSON, b. June 16, 1878; d. June 16, 1878, Portarlinton. viii. BLANCHE VICTORIA ROBINSON, b. September 11, 1881, Bairnsdale Reg 20845 Paynesville; d. January 05, 1966; m. JOHN MORRIS, 1901; b. Paynesville 4110. ix. CHARLES RAYMOND ROBINSON, b. April 10, 1884, Paynesville; d. October 29, 1962, Alberton Buried Alberton Cem.; m. GRACE CHRISTINA AVERY, March 1903, Port Albert; b. July 26, 1882, Port Albert Reg No 18137; d. August 03, 1966, Oakliegh buried Alberton Cemetry. More About GRACE CHRISTINA AVERY: Cause of Death: Old Age x. EDWARD JOHN ROBINSON, b. 1886, Paynesville Reg. 20819; d. 1957, Bairsdale Victoria aged 72 reg no. 20969; m. (1) ALICE MAUD RATCLIFFE, 1908; b. paynesville 2331, 1908. xi. GRACE EMILIE ROBINSON, b. December 14, 1888; d. 1912; m. FRED HAYLOCK. More About GRACE EMILIE ROBINSON: Cause of Death: Menijitus 14. JAMES5 ROBINSON (THOMAS4, JOHN3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born June 05, 1853, and died 1887 in Bellarine aged 35. He married MARY WIFFEN 1873 in Bellarine ref 1417, daughter of THOS. WIFFEN and MARY HARDING. She was born Abt. 1851 in Warwickshire, and died Abt. May 02, 1931 in aged 80 ref 4848. Children of JAMES ROBINSON and MARY WIFFEN are: i. JOHN6 ROBINSON, b. 1873. ii. ELIZABETH ANNE ROBINSON, b. 1874, Bellarine ref 14008; d. 1884, aged 9. iii. GEORGE HENRY ROBINSON, b. 1875, Bellarine ref7223; d. 1875, Bellarine ref 5809 aged one week. iv. SUSANNA ROBINSON, b. 1876, Bellarine ref 7073; m. FREDERICK SMITH. v. THOMAS ROBINSON, b. 1877, Bellarine ref 20291; m. ETHEL GRACE SEALE, 1904. vi. ROSE CHARLOTTE ROBINSON, b. 1879, Bellarine ref7110; m. ALFRED MESSER, 1901. vii. JOSEPH HENRY ROBINSON, b. 1881, Bellarine ref 14206; d. 1943, aged 62; m. ANNIE AUGUSTA VICTORIA COLLINS, 1903, Portarlington ref 6290; b. 1882, Belmont Vic. Geelong ref 9640. viii. CATHERINE ELIZABETH ROBINSON, b. 1885, BEllarine ref 7788; d. 1887, Bainsdale ref 5008. ix. FANNY MARIA ROBINSON, b. 1886, Bellarine Vic. ref 23922; d. 1940, Geelong ref 19429; m. HAROLD HENRY BARTLETT, 1911. x. AMY ROBINSON, b. Unknown. Graeme ROBINSON from Langwarrin just 45 klm east of Melbourne Victoria Au ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

This is a message for Elizabeth Revell, who sent a message to the list. I'm afraid it's not Gippsland related and I'm sorry to reply through the list, but that's the default and I don't have Elizabeth's email address. Elizabeth, I am interested in the REVELL surname, could you please email me direct to talarak@webexpress.net.au so I can contact you direct. Thanks, Leonie McGaw Woombye, Qld, Australia

According to his death certificate, Gavin RALSTON was buried on 3 February 1873 in the Presbyterian section of the Sale cemetery. Although I believe there were other members of the family living in the area, he seems to have been on his own as the informant knew nothing of him. Can anybody let me know if there is a gravestone and, if so, what it says. Many thanks Elizabeth Leicester, UK

Yes l know that there used to be a Japanese POW camp not far over the border near Bendoc and they helped to create the pine plantations that are there now. They may have done some works in the border country of east gippsland l'am not sure. Cheers Joel

hi Jenny, The Midgippy Family History Society has published the transcriptions and register of Trafalgar cemetery covering 1886-1995. They are probably available through libraries. Details of MidGippys titles can be found at http://members.net-tech.com.au/shine/public.htm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I have a photo of myself in the arms of Harold Trew when I was nine months old in October 1954. It was taken at a wedding. I wonder if it is the same man - it would have been taken in Sale. Ciao Majella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aileen Travis" <tiny@sx.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:23 AM Subject: [AVG] Harry TREW > Harry TREW b. 1879 married my Gr. Aunt Mary STEWART b. 1916 , known as Kitty or Dolly in Heywood between 1938 when his first wife Lena nee FICK died and 1941 when Kitty died . He stayed in Heywood until his death in 1959. > I am really curious as to why he left the Maffra area where there seems to be lots of family, to go all the way over to Western Victoria. And not come back even after Kitty's death to family. > It could probably explain things about the STEWART family if I could find out why. > Thanks > Aileen > Crib Point > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This is a happy little list. Flaming and abuse results in instant unsubscription. >

Hi Linda and listers Its a long time since I have posted to the Gippy group, but have been lurking in the background. In Peter Synan's book Gippsland's Lucky City, he mentions that in the 1890's there was a depression and that many of the young men moved to West Australia to find work. The Werner's were no exception there soap and candle works went bankrupt and they moved back to Melbourne, with the exception of one boy, my great uncle who moved to Coolgardie where I assumed that he was working in the mines. recently I saw that there was a new site to post to in West Australia, which I joined but then found that all the action over there is actually on another site called the DPS-Chatline (dead persons society) well since joining I have found that my gr.uncle in fact started his own carpentry business, where he lived , when he and his family died and where they are all buried. I am now hoping to get a photograph of the grave. If any one else had rellies going to the West from Gippsland, I would be very happy to post the URL. Also I have a friend in Queensland who is subscribed to the Co Tipperary site and has sent me a copy of a history of the 16th century which makes very good reading and I thought I would pass it on to this site. I have no idea if there's any truth to the following "history lesson" someone sent to me (author unknown). However, it does have a reference (albeit British) to a previous thread on this site which speculated on why most marriages occurred in spring or early summer. There's also interesting attempts to provide historical basis for several popular bromides. Who knows? Jack Thueson Stillwater, MN USA *********************** A wonderful, humorous history lesson: Life in the 1500's---- When Anne Hathaway married William Shakespeare, she was 26 years old. This is very unusual for the time, as most people married at age 11or 12 years. Life was different in many other ways in the 1500's. Here are some examples: Ann Hathaway's home was a 3-bedroom house with a kitchen and a small parlor, which was seldom used except for company. There was no bathroom. Mother and Father shared a bedroom. Before she was married, Anne had a queen size bed, but she did not sleep alone. She had two other sisters and they shared the bed with six servant girls. They did not sleep lengthwise on the bed, as we do nowadays, but would lie crosswise. However, at least they had a bed. The other bedroom was shared by six brothers and about a dozen workers. Since they did not have beds, the men wrapped up in their blankets and slept on the floor. The combined body heat served to keep everyone warm. People in the 1500's were smaller than the modern Americans or Britons. The men averaged about 5'4" and the women were generally about 4'8". Most people in the 1500's got married in June. This was because they took their yearly bath in the spring, when the weather began to warm enough that being wet and naked was not a health hazard. In most cases, people still smelled fresh in June when the sun would come out steadily and the days were long. However, if the weather became unseasonably hot, sometimes the bride would develop noticeable body order, so it was not uncommon for the young women to carry a bouquet or sweet smelling flowers as a kind of mobile deodorant. The annual spring ablution took place in a big tub fill with hot water. The man of the house would get the privilege of the nice clean water. Then all the sons would follow then the women, and finally the children. Babies came last. By then the water was pretty thick. When mothers would caution, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water," it was because the water was so thick, someone could actually be lost in it! Houses in the 1500's frequently had thatched roofs. Thatch was thick straw, pile high, with no substantial support, only widely spaced rafters. The thatch was a good place for small animals to sleep, such as the dogs and cats, which were commonly kept as mousers and ratters. Sometimes, they would be joined by mice, rats and insects. When it rained, the thatch would grow heavy with the weight of the water and the "residents," and often the animals would fall through the thatch into the room below. This why people would say, "It is raining cats and dogs." Since there was nothing to stop them from falling through the thatch, people became inventive about ways to keep the house clean, especially the bedrooms, which were typically located on the upper floor. Dead insects and animal dropping were a particular problem, until someone (perhaps one of Martha Stewart's ancestors) made a bed with the high posts at each corner. The women would then hang a sheet over the top to catch the droppings from the thatched roof. That was the original idea behind our beautiful modern four-poster beds with canopies. Middle class and wealthy people had houses with floors of slate of hard wood. But, many houses in the 1500's had dirt floors. This is where we get the saying, "dirt poor". Dirt floors posed a particular problem in winter because they would become so slippery, but people found ways to deal with this dilemma. They would spread straw and fine twigs on the floor to help them keep their footing. It was similar to the roofing material which they called thatch, but when they spread it on the floor, people called it "thresh" As people would come and go throughout the winter, it was easy to track the thresh outside. So to prevent this, people put a piece of wood at the entry. This was called a "thresh hold." Some houses had fireplaces for warmth in the parlor or master bedroom but all houses had a fireplace in the kitchen, which was used both for warmth and for cooking. "There was always a kettle that hung over fire and every day the people would add things to the pot. Mostly, they ate vegetables since cows were prized for their milk and hens for their eggs. People would eat their stew for dinner, and then leave the leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and start over again the next day. Sometimes the stew would have food in it that was over a week old! Thus the rhyme: peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old. Sometimes a family would buy a piece of pork. This was always a special occasion, such as a holiday or a party. When the visitors arrived, they would see the rack in the parlor where the hosts would hang the bacon to show it off. It was a real sign of prosperity that a man "could bring home the bacon". Toward the end of the party, the hosts would cut off few pieces to share with guests, and then people would sit around and "chew the fat". Poor people in their 1500's didn't have plates; they had "trenchers" A trencher was a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. The people seldom washed their trenchers and because of this, worms would often get into the wood. This would cause many health problem and was poor people often had "trench mouth'. Working class people generally had plates that were made of pewter. Food that had high acid content would cause lead to leak into it, causing other health problems. This was one reason only wealthy people with ceramic plates ate the "New World" delicacy, the tomato. It would take almost four hundred years before average folk would incorporate this versatile fruit into their diets! Innkeepers in the 1500's usually provided a bed and a simple meal, which always included some bread. However, the bread was divided according to status. The workers at the inn would get the burn bottom of the loaf, the innkeeper family would get the middle and paying guests would get the top, or the "upper crust" People in the 1500's used lead cups from which they would drink their ale or whiskey. The combination of lead and strong alcohol in large quantities would often render them unconscious for a couple of days! Some in such a heavy sleep could be mistaken for dead. Of course, the family would begin to make burial preparations. But, people began to realize that if they took their time about burying their loved ones, sometimes they woke up! So, the family would lay the deceased out on the kitchen table for a couple of days, gather around and eat and drink, and wait to see if the dead would wake up. That is where the custom of hold a "wake" came from Since England is so old and small, burial plots became scarce around the large towns and cities. So they start re-using graves and coffins which were made of wood. Wood was more valued as a source of fuel than a burial box. However, when the coffins were opened, it was discovered that many had scratch marks on the inside. It was then the people realized they were still burying some people alive! This led to a second custom. They would tie a string to the buried one's wrist and lead it through the coffin and up through the ground, then tie it to a bell. Someone would volunteer to sit in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. That is how the saying "graveyard shift" came about. If the bell would ring he was know as a "dead ringer," who was "saved by the bell." ==== CoTipperary Mailing List ==== The Ryans are headed to Ireland for a Rally!! Check web page: www.ryans.org for more information - contact Terry Ryan at: trakker@nettally.com if interested - NOW!! I realise that this is not pertinent to Gippsland but it is interesting Regards Brian

Harry TREW b. 1879 married my Gr. Aunt Mary STEWART b. 1916 , known as Kitty or Dolly in Heywood between 1938 when his first wife Lena nee FICK died and 1941 when Kitty died . He stayed in Heywood until his death in 1959. I am really curious as to why he left the Maffra area where there seems to be lots of family, to go all the way over to Western Victoria. And not come back even after Kitty's death to family. It could probably explain things about the STEWART family if I could find out why. Thanks Aileen Crib Point

At 22:17 03-06-2000 +1000, Linda Barraclough wrote: >Could SKS please advise me where I could search or give me a contact address >for the complete records at Trafalgar. Tomb Stone only inscriptions are >available >at LDS & GSV. I have Ancestors buried at Traf - unfortunately they are in >unmarked graves. >Many thanks, Jennie - Melbourne > > >If anyone can assist Jenny please reply to her direct at >jeny@netspace.net.au as she is not on the list A copy of the information to the list would be appreciated. Warmest Best Wishes, ,-._|\ Molly & Robin Chapple robinski@melbpc.org.au / Oz \ Melbourne "The most livable capital city in the world." \_,--.x/ Researching in UK: CHAPPLE; PRIOR: WALTERS; WARR; V CLARK(E); GINN; GILL; WAKEFIELD; SAPSFORD; WILLIAMS. URL: http://www.vicnet.net.au/~genealogy/ Webmaster: PRIOR FHS http://www.vicnet.net.au/~priorfhs/ - --------------------------------------------------------

Re Robyn's enquiry. Some time back I contacted the Trafalgar Cemetery with little information at hand. The lass there (Robyn Walker) was wonderful and very helpful locating several of my ancestors. A small fee was paid and I received full written details. I am sure Robyn will prove very helpful. Telephone 03 5633 2282 Hope this helps. Regards Kathleen ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com