My husband remembers the Italian POWs as a familiar sight around Leongatha. Shirley Westaway

I am a direct descendant of David Strickler ESPIE, said to have been born in Pennsylvania, USA, to Jacob/Joseph ESPIE and Mary/Polly nee BEAUMAN. circa 1828. Family rumour has them originating in Leith, Midlothian, Firth of Fourth, Scotland. I am not so sure. Ireland may be a bet. Lived in Russells Creek, Tanjil, Hill End and Willow Grove area. His wife was Harriet TOGHILL nee VARNEY. Any others from his family out there? I have his entry into Sydney, but I am still trying to verify his parents and origins. I correspond with a few other "cousins", but we have no other new "facts" at this time. Regards, Wynnette Ford ( My mother Winsome was the Espie) Tasmanian branch.

This is really quite interesting - I didn't realise the Japanese POWs worked outside their camps at all. As opposed to the Italians, who were put out on farms all over the place. The Italians really came to light for me when they were written about in a history of Briagolong Red Cross. One of our WWII veterans, who has since passed on, didn't even realise there were Italian POWs (the "enemy") in his home town while he was away fighting them in the desert, and when he returned no-one thought to tell him. When he made this discovery in the early 1990s it was quite traumatic for him and he questioned quite a lot of people to confirm it, as he really hadn't realised it had happened. I know they were also at Yarram, where some of the POWs returned after the war, and around Maffra they were on the farms and administered from an office in Maffra. One interesting thing was that Land Army girls and Italian POWs were not allowed to be placed on the same farms at the same time. The Italian POWs only got to meet and see each other by going to church on Sundays. Many strong bonds were formed between the POWs and their families. Does anyone know where else they were concentrated in Gippsland??? Linda At 12:02 PM 19/06/00 +1000, you wrote: >G'day, there used to be a Japanese POW camp just over the >border from Bendoc towards Bombala. They helped to establish >the pine plantations there. That's about all l know but try asking one >of the Forest Officers with the NRE at Bendoc or Cann River. > >Cheers > >Joel > > >==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== >In general, the more information you post about a family, the more information you will get back - you need at least to say where in Gippsland the family came from, and give an idea of dates. > >

G'day, there used to be a Japanese POW camp just over the border from Bendoc towards Bombala. They helped to establish the pine plantations there. That's about all l know but try asking one of the Forest Officers with the NRE at Bendoc or Cann River. Cheers Joel

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At 05:33 06/14/2000 +1000, you wrote: >Where's Paynesville? > >Peter, the older of the two Robbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian >Riviera Hi Peter Are you serious or do you have your tongue in your cheek? <g> Don't walk in your sleep or you will finish up there. Regards Irene Rees Gold Coast, ex Gippsland, Vic. Searching for REES-Glamorgan, PHILPOT-Essex, McMILLAN-Newtonards IRL, SCARLETT-London, McHENRY-Dublin, NOLAN-Co Kerry, RATH-Ireland, SIMS-Hanley, all 1800 and later until they came to Oz.

Dear List, I appreciate how helpful people are on this list, but I can assure you all Peter knows quite well where Paynesville is. Cheers Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

Ah Robbo You've been missing out. Sorry. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Robinson <tworobbos@net-tech.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Vaccination certificates > Where's Paynesville? > > Peter, the older of the two Robbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian > Riviera > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Anyone seen any good GIPPSLAND websites lately. Please feel free to mention GIPPSLAND websites on list, or drop a note to the Listowner to have them added to the AVG Home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ > >

Hi Paynesville is on the lakes on from Bairnsdale - about twenty minutes on by car. We live at Sale which is about 65 kilometers from Bairnsdale. Kate Yesterday is the past. Tomorrow is the future. Today is a gift, that's why it is called "the Present" ,-_|\ / OZ \ \_,--._/ v Katerina Lougheed Sale Victoria Australia klough@i-o.net.au My genealogical research is into the surnames: LOUGHEED: Sligo Ireland 1856>Aust. 1857 + LOBB: Redruth Cornwall 1851>Aust1851 + BULL: Cambridgeshire England 1852> Aust 1852 + STEWART (STUART) Renfrew Scotland 1850> Aust 1850 + REINES: Russia > USA & Australia 1900 + FRIEDMAN: Russia> USA & Australia 1900 + RYAN: Fulham England> Australia 1900 + BRADSHAW: England> Australia 1900 + MONCK: Australia 1900 + ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Robinson" <tworobbos@net-tech.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Vaccination certificates > Where's Paynesville? > > Peter, the older of the two Robbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian > Riviera > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Anyone seen any good GIPPSLAND websites lately. Please feel free to mention GIPPSLAND websites on list, or drop a note to the Listowner to have them added to the AVG Home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

Hi List, After a break from War memorials, the Deputy is back at it again. Thanks to Narra from Dargo, the WWI honour board from dargo Primary School has been added, as have details from a new plaque on the War Memorial at Maffra for WWII. To check them out, go to the AVG home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ and from there to resources, to war memirals and then to Wellington Shire. Thanks Narra and Dep. Linda Barraclough Briagolong List Owner: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND email: kapana@netspace.net.au http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

G'day Peter When travelling to Lakes Entrance from Bairnsdale turn right just out of Bairnsdale and Paynesville is at the end of the road right on the Lake opposite Metung. Hope this helps. John in Cranbourne Peter Robinson wrote: > > Where's Paynesville? > > Peter, the older of the two Robbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian > Riviera > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Anyone seen any good GIPPSLAND websites lately. Please feel free to mention GIPPSLAND websites on list, or drop a note to the Listowner to have them added to the AVG Home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/

Tolls were very much a part of 19th century travel and settlement. One of the best known is Melbourne's Punt Road named for the toll paid to be ferried across it.

'For instance a sheep, pig or goat would cost a farthing per head, to pass through the gate, whereas an oxen would cost 6d. A horse mare ass or mule was in between at 3d per head. Similarly the rate for a gig, chaise, coach, chariot, or any other sprung vehicle, was determined by the number of animals it took to pull it. The toll became more complex though, in the case of unsprung vehicles which were the real load pullers. Wagons, carts, wains etc., would be charged on the width of their wheels, the wider the better. However a man who took his wide-wheeled wagon through the gate, with three horses pulling it, would have to pay more than if he had made do with just one horse to pull his wagon. A nine-inch wide wheeled wagon, pulled by six horses, would cost 11d whereas a six-inch wide wheeled wagon, pulled by the same team of horses, would cost 3/6 - a fortune.' And I thought the City Link Tolls were a rip off!!!!! There is more on the tolls so if anyone is interested let me know and I'll post some more. Cheers Helene Helene J Hayes Pakenham Vic helenh@nex.net.au

Hi All, I have just acquired on loan 'Buln Buln' A History of the Buln Buln Shire by Graeme Butler. In the first chapter, Labertouche, I was surprised to read about a Toll Road that existed in Gippsland in 1868! "In the 1866 Post office Report we find the emergence of a Melbourne to Sale Mail Service: running a coach, the 130 miles to Sale, on a six days per week basis. Cyrus Hewitt got the job for a mere 5000 pounds return. A note was made that the cost of this service was a liability, at 1/2 per mile., whereas other mail coaches in the Colony could easily run on 4d-9d per mile. The service stopped off at Oakleigh, Springvale,Dandenong, Berwick, Pakenham and then came the long and dangerous stretch to Moe and Russels Creek.............. In that long stretch, two years later, it was proposed to erect a tollgate "at or near that creek known as Brandy Creek". This was June 1868. A complex system of tolls existed in the Colony at the time, and the scale applied as equally to the Sale Road as it did already to a number of roads...... The toll system was calculated in detail depending on the effect the beast or beasts, the vehicle or vehicles, would have on the road surface and thus incur maintenance.' I guess this goes to show that Toll Roads are not new and in a further e-mail I will continue with the rates etc. BTW this book has a very extensive index and if anyone would like a Lookup I'd be happy to do so. I think it would be best to do this 'off list' so please send an e-mail directly to me at helenh@nex.net.au with Buln Buln Lookup as the subject. Cheers Helene Helene J Hayes Pakenham Vic helenh@nex.net.au

Hi I am looking for any information regarding POW'S in Bendoc and who planted a pine plantation. Thanks Tony Redmond

Dear Don, Thank you for your assistance. I do appreciate your efforts on my behalf. Ann At 07:49 AM 13/06/00 +1000, you wrote: >Dear Ann > >There is an article in the December 1999 issue of "The Ancestral Searcher", >the journal of the Heraldry & Genealogy Society of Canberra that you should >read. If you belong to a Genealogy Society ( and I hope that you do) then >there will more than likely be a copy there; failing that, a copy can be >purchased from HAGSOC at GPO Box 585, Canberra ACT 2601 for just $4 plus >postage. You can e-mail the Society on <hagsoc@hagsoc.com.au>. The article >is entitled "A Swing Rioter in the Family" and provides quite a bit of >background material. > >Cheers > >Don > > >DON MOUNTAIN===================================== >PO Box 3327 Weston Creek ACT Australia 2611 >Telephone 02 6288 5793 - Facsimile 02 6287 1207 >Researching surnames: MOUNTAIN, RUSSELL, UPTON, TOUZEL, >THOMSON, FRASER, DUMBLE, TASKER >Homepage <http://.www.cyberone.com.au/~mountain/> > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== >Lookups are available by going to the AVG home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ and from there to Lookups. If the lookup that you need isn't listed there, and is a GIPPSLAND one, then it is appropriate to ask on list. > >

Where's Paynesville? Peter, the older of the two Robbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera

Aileen, I do not recall your original message but the name TREW rang a bell so I checked my records and found an Louisa Anne, born Avoca who married Frederick PALMER in 1886, possibly somewhere in the shire of Bass. They died within a year of each other in Dandenong around 1943/44. Frederick would have been my great-uncle. Do you think there is some connection to your TREW family? Regards, Wendy Researching: MILNE, WOOD, ROBERTSON, PALMER, TICKELL, RAE, BOXALL, VORWERG, PEMBRIDGE, HINCH, FENSOM and others. -----Original Message----- From: Aileen Travis <tiny@sx.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 13 June 2000 4:24 Subject: [AVG] RE : Harry TREW >Thanks for the answer Majella , and sorry I've not been organised enough to reply sooner . I think Harold TREW may be Harry's nephew as Harry was 70 something in 1954 . The BDM's have a Harold born 1905 or so . And Harry was born 1879 . I think this may just be one of those things I will never know , but there has to be a reason for a person to move from one side of the state to the other . > Regards > Aileen Travis > > >==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== >In general, the more information you post about a family, the more information you will get back - you need at least to say where in Gippsland the family came from, and give an idea of dates. >

Hi Listers My great uncle was a Joseph Crane Watt who lived in Orbost from 1874 until 1891 when he moved to the goldfields of W.A. He was one the first surveyors in the Orbost and was originally employed by the Lands Dept, then M.Goold Bairnsdale) and Dalgety's. East of the Yalmy Road past Mt Buck, (on the north of Orbost) there is a Mt. Watt walking track, and a Mt. Watt which I believe were named after Joseph Watt. I have a map supplied by the Conservation Society last time I was in Orbost showing these places. They were unable to confirm where these names came from. I believe there is a book written about early Gippsland names and was wondering if some kind person who may have this book could check it for me. I live in Coffs harbour NSW and know it is not available here. In the meantime some other kind person may have other ideas which would assist me in establishing where these names came from. I am writing a book on my Bairnsdale/Orbost relatives so need to get the facts right to avoid getting sued. :)) Hope to hear Regards Bruce Watt

No its not Robbo, Paynesville is. Carl MATTHEWS, sometimes of Paynesville Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Robinson <tworobbos@net-tech.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Vaccination certificates > Thanks Carl > > Peter, the older of the two Robbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian > Riviera > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb asks us to keep our signatures short to save bandwidth. Anything more than about five lines is getting a bit long. > >