To all concerned. Maybe it 'is because I'm the new kid on the block but I don't care. All I know is I have been so welcomed and assisted that it is wonderful. I came to Melbourne from Newcastle at the tender age of 19 ( not telling what year that was ) and would not live anywhere else. I would like to tell the story of how I found out I was a Varney/Hasthorpe descendant, if I may, as I had no idea until I had been living in Melbourne for 14 years. Mum & dad came down from Newcastle for a visit. What to do with them? I know, we could spend a day at the Moe Museum, so with picnic in hand, this is what we did. Mum and I were in the war section when, while looking at a glass case on the wall, she suddenly started screaming. I'm thinking, snake, huge spider, and screaming back at her " What - what - where " Pointing at the role book she said, half yelling with excitement " There, in the book, that's my uncle Reg, Reginald Hasthorpe". I'm ready to humour her at this point when she dragged me back out to the entry kiosk and asked for the local phone book. The rest, as they say, is history. Once again many thanks and I do hope I can contribute, instead of just asking questions. Lorraine Bower.

Hello, My name is Rae-Anne Vincent, I have been reading thru some of your info.. ..Now I am hoping you can assist me in my journey please. I am after any info on the Stephenson's of Bairnsdale/Archies Creek/Yinnar with the Butter factory's history. As well as anything of the Vincent's of Mount Taylor near Bairnsdale. I am after info on the Gascoigne's of Bairnsdale too please. Also My uncle John is the saddler in Bairnsdale. Gascoignes, the Gippsland Saddler. His father Albert Gascoigne, was a supervisor for the CRB. Does anyone have any tales or stories about the road gangs or road construction they can pass on please? I look forward to hearing from you. cheers. Rae-Anne.

Hi Everyone, Linda, I think the two lines near the bottom of the search page sum it up, as it is based on 5 works, which is why there may be a number of "no hits" - NB: This computer index is primarily based on five works published between 1950 and 2003. Variations in style and attitude will be observed over the 35,000 entries contained in this index. Hopefully they will continue with the indexing ...... Tricia >> It is good, but not perfect - I put in Licola, Glenmaggie and Heyfield - > which are all mentioned in the classic 1927-1931 discussion on how the > Hunters came to Gippsland (over the ranges in 1841 and 1844, with a failed > attempt at the same route by Tyers in 1843). And there are no hits. > > Along much the same lines, you would be lucky to find your family name - > but put in places such as Tarraville, and you will get heaps of background > reading. > > Thanks Eric! > > Linda

Even though the Maffra Historical Society has ceased publication of its Bulletin (after 120 issues), a full index of names is now available on the Society's web site at www.maffra.net.au/heritage Jeremy Hales

The State Library Newspaper Room has a printed list of all newspapers on microfilm. Or ask at the enquiry desk, they are very helpful. Eric. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Robinson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [AVG] Sale newspapers 1860-1900 > Could SKS please let me know which newspapers would have been reporting events in the Sale/Longford/Stradbroke areas during the second half of the 19th century? > > I am off for a day's research in the State Library in a few days and this info could help quite a lot. > > Regards > > the older of the tworobbos > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Lookups are available by going to the AVG home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ and from there to Lookups. If the lookup that you need isn't listed there, and is a GIPPSLAND one, then it is appropriate to ask on list. >

Could SKS please let me know which newspapers would have been reporting events in the Sale/Longford/Stradbroke areas during the second half of the 19th century? I am off for a day's research in the State Library in a few days and this info could help quite a lot. Regards the older of the tworobbos

Hi Walter My name is Pam Rankin I am also a decedent of the Hasthorpes, and Joe,Reg,Milton are rellies of mine also.could you please send the info to me as well Yours Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: [S] AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-D Digest V05 #33

Hi Everyone, Thanks to Eric I have now been able to find the online Journal index - it is at http://210.15.209.254/journal.htm It is good, but not perfect - I put in Licola, Glenmaggie and Heyfield - which are all mentioned in the classic 1927-1931 discussion on how the Hunters came to Gippsland (over the ranges in 1841 and 1844, with a failed attempt at the same route by Tyers in 1843). And there are no hits. Along much the same lines, you would be lucky to find your family name - but put in places such as Tarraville, and you will get heaps of background reading. Thanks Eric! Linda At 02:38 PM 20/02/05 +1100, Eric wrote: >The R.H.S.V Journal Index is now on line at the R.H.S.V web site. > >The Commercial Inn, Tarraville is listed. Vol 74, pg 23 - 24. 2003. > >Seven articles listed on Tarraville from 1912.

Public Records Office of Victoria in a fantastic new building in Sheils St, North Melbourne with fantastic helpful staff. If you go by public transport (which I do), catch the tram from Elizabeth St and it's a very short walk from there. Look at this first http://www.prov.vic.gov.au. Good luck Shirley

Hi Everyone, I have just uploaded some pictures of the Copper Mine Hotel at Coopers Creek, before and after the fire in July 1999 - just in case anyone would like to have a peep. They are at http://kapana.blogspot.com/ Was up there a month or so ago, and a replica hotel has been built on the same site, but is currently closed - I understand further developments are awaited. Cheers Linda

The R.H.S.V Journal Index is now on line at the R.H.S.V web site. The Commercial Inn, Tarraville is listed. Vol 74, pg 23 - 24. 2003. Seven articles listed on Tarraville from 1912. Eric.

At 01:56 PM 20/02/05 +1100, Lorraine wrote: ><snip> >It does have reference to Warrigal Creek #1 & Ninety Mile Beach ( Old >Varney's Run ). >It also has Joseph Samuel Varney owning a hotel in Tarraville. I have a feeling, in the back of my mind that about two or three issues ago of the Victorian Historical Journal (Royal Historical Society of Victoria) was an article on a hotel still standing at Tarraville. Since you are in Melbourne, you may find it useful to try and access that one yourself (unless someone on thel ist has a copy???) Linda

Dear Anne, Thank you for the wonderful leads, links & info. The book I have be using as a reference is: "Settlers and Selectors" Tangil Hills to Tangil South. A Centenary History of Tangil South by Joan Hasthorpe & J.C.Rogers. It does have reference to Warrigal Creek #1 & Ninety Mile Beach ( Old Varney's Run ). It also has Joseph Samuel Varney owning a hotel in Tarraville. I don't suppose anyone would know if the old hotel is still standing by any chance. I must make a visit to the old Warrigal Creek homestead. Is it sill being used as a home by someone or is the poor thing left sad and alone, I do hope not. Regards Lorraine Bower ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Napier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Tarraville district

Hello Lorraine Here are some suggestions for information about early settlers in the Tarraville district. Firstly, the Gippsland Regional Maritime Museum in nearby Port Albert has a very informative website http://yarrampa.customer.netspace.net.au/pamm.html which includes links to other pages of interest. The museum has quite a few books for sale. They also have a huge volume called "Clonmel to Federation" which is a database of all the known residents of the area pre-1901. For example, it lists a person and their dates of BDM, arrival in area, what they did, and references to any known sources of information about them. You cannot purchase this volume, but the staff will gladly do lookups for a small fee. The Museum's phone/fax number is (03) 5183 2520. "Touring Around Tarraville" by Yarram & District Historical Society is a small booklet which shows a map of the town (there are nowadays VERY FEW buildings left) and describes who lived where and what they did. Just glancing through my copy, I don't see any of the names you mention, so it could be that your ancestors did not live in the actual township. The Port Albert Conservation Study (1982) by Graeme Butler lists all of the historic buildings and sites in the area (including Tarraville) in a reasonable amount of detail. I don't believe that the study area went as far as Warrigal Creek though. It also provides a good overview of the post-contact history of the region and how it came to be settled etc. I believe that there are only a handful of copies of this book left and that it can be purchased from the Gippsland Regional Maritime Museum in Port Albert. By the way, Warrigal Creek homestead still exists today. The Visitor Information Centre in Yarram (located in the beautiful old courthouse) also has quite a few books for sale. Their phone number is (03) 5182 6553. Some of these include: In Memorium - In Memory of Those Who Died and are Buried In The Alberton Cemetery in the Year of Federation 1901. $6 A Guide to Cemeteries In The Yarram District $3.50 Touring Around Tarraville $6 Glimpses of Yarram Yarram & District in the Year of Federation 1901 $12 "Down the Street" Yarram Yarram 1893 - 1993 $7 Tarraville's Queen of Song (Ada Crossley) by Margery Missen $6 Notes on Gippsland History by Rev George Cox - Edited by John D Adams - Vol IV Gippsland in the 1840s $10 Notes on Gippsland History by Rev George Cox - Edited by John D Adams - Vol III The Alberton District 1842-3 $10 Discover Historic Tarraville $6 There is also a local genealogy society. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ausygs/ They too have quite a lot of these books for sale, and also CDs & fiche etc. Also surname interests and a list of early settlers. The web page for the Yarram & Dist Historical Society is http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ydhs/ It includes links to lots of things, including publications and also the Alberton Cemetery. Hope all this is of some help to you. Regards, Anne Napier

Hi Walter, I knew that some of the Hasthorpe's ventured up north in 1905 after Jesse sold "Sledmere" in Tangil to his son Arthur and that his sons Milton, Reginald & Joseph went north with him. Victoria Lydia followed later to housekeep for them. I made a flying visit up north for a wedding in January this year & quite per chance stayed with friends in Kyogle. I was kicking myself for not having my bit's and pieces with me. That friend is now doing some cemetery hunting, with a camera, for me. How wonderful to make this offer of the diary notes, it will make a great addition to what I have. Many Thanks Lorraine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Savige" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] New & posting interests. > Hi Lorraine, > > I am interested in the history of your HASTHORPE forebears. > As you are possibly aware, in about 1905 a number of Gippsland families > (including members of the Hasthorpe, Vary, Graham and Savige families) > journeyed by ship to the Northern Rivers District of New South Wales, > selected land there and became "latter-day-pioneers" in the (then > primitive) region. Some members of those families returned to Gippsland in > about 1919, while others remained. > > I have transcribed a diary written by my uncle Garfield Savige in which he > makes a number of references to several members of the Hasthorpe family > including Joe, Reg and Milton. I am happy to let you have a copy of parts > of the diary if you wish. > > Walter Savige > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorraine Bower" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:51 PM > Subject: [AVG] New & posting interests. > > >> HI all, >> I am a new person to the list. >> >> My g x 2 grandparents were Joseph Samuel VARNEY & Clara SAUNDERS of >> Tarraville. >> >> My great grandparents were Jesse HASTHORPE & Esther VARNEY (daughter of >> Joseph & Clara) of Moe / Tangil area . . . > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole > list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they > would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat > back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. > >

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Hi Lorraine, John Adams 'From These Beginnings' mentions one property owned by Joseph Samuel Varney between 1844 - 1851: "... There were two Warrigal Creek runs situated north-east of Woodside near Darriman taking up the country to Ninety Mile Beach. 'Warrigal Creek no. 1' with 'Ninety Mile Beach' run, an area of 5,171 ha was taken up by Joseph Samuel Varney in 1844. 'Varney's Old Run' as it was called was taken over in 1851 by Uriah Hoddinott ..." I hope this is of some assistance Cheers, Ian Dowling Darwin, NT [descendant of the Lang family from Tarraville] -----Original Message----- From: Lorraine Bower [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: New & posting interests. HI all, I am a new person to the list. My g x 2 grandparents were Joseph Samuel VARNEY & Clara SAUNDERS of Tarraville. My great grandparents were Jesse HASTHORPE & Esther VARNEY (daughter of Joseph & Clara) of Moe / Tangil area. I am excitedly awaiting the arrival of the copy of Joseph Samuel VARNEY ticket of leave, which he received in 1825. Is there any way of finding out the addresses of families from the 1800's in Tarraville. I feel inclined to make a trip down to have a look see but need to know where to look before I go. Regards Lorraine Bower in Melbourne. ______________________________

Hi Lorraine, I am interested in the history of your HASTHORPE forebears. As you are possibly aware, in about 1905 a number of Gippsland families (including members of the Hasthorpe, Vary, Graham and Savige families) journeyed by ship to the Northern Rivers District of New South Wales, selected land there and became "latter-day-pioneers" in the (then primitive) region. Some members of those families returned to Gippsland in about 1919, while others remained. I have transcribed a diary written by my uncle Garfield Savige in which he makes a number of references to several members of the Hasthorpe family including Joe, Reg and Milton. I am happy to let you have a copy of parts of the diary if you wish. Walter Savige ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Bower" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [AVG] New & posting interests. > HI all, > I am a new person to the list. > > My g x 2 grandparents were Joseph Samuel VARNEY & Clara SAUNDERS of > Tarraville. > > My great grandparents were Jesse HASTHORPE & Esther VARNEY (daughter of > Joseph & Clara) of Moe / Tangil area . . .

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Hi Lorraine, It was actually originally Thomas Saunderson (the on got dropped when he came to Victoria) who was Married to Isabella Clarkson, Isabella is Clara's mother but her father was James McGowan, Isabella was quite a woman she had 5 different partners two of them legal husbands. Hope this helps. If you want further info contact me off list. Regards Jan Parker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Bower" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Joseph Samuel Varney for Graeme Ford. > Hi Jan, > I was just a tad confused re the details Graeme had listed re the parents > of Clara SAUNDERS > I have been unable to pin down a Thomas SAUNDERS with an Elizabeth KNOWN, > so any assistance is welcome. > The only Thomas SAUNDERS I have been able to find married Mary Boucher. > I guess what I am really after is how Graeme came by Clara being born to > Isabella CLARKSON & James McGOWAN and that Isabella had 5 spouses. > Are you able to shed any light on how he came be these details. > Many thanks > Lorraine Bower > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Parker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [AVG] Joseph Samuel Varney for Graeme Ford. > > >> Hi, >> I too have Joseph & Clara as GGGGrand Parents and have quite a bit of >> info on them what were you looking for >> Regards >> Jan Parker >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lorraine Bower" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:40 PM >> Subject: [AVG] Joseph Samuel Varney for Graeme Ford. >> >> >>> Hi, >>> I have just read your posting dated 14th May 2004. >>> I'm trying to fit what you have it together with Clara's death >>> certificate. >>> The certificate is dated 6th May 1872 & claims she was 58 years of age. >>> That she was born in Parramatta & her parents were Thomas & Elizabeth >>> SAUNDERS.. >>> That her spouse was Joseph VARNEY & they had been in Victoria for 27 >>> years. >>> There are 12 children listed on the certificate. >>> One of these is Harriet, she is listed as being 21 years of age when he >>> mother died. >>> >>> Regards >>> Lorraine Bower. >>> >>> >>> ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== >>> To search posts to the list, even back to 1999, go to >>> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>> and, when asked, enter the list name as AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND >>> >> >> >> ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== >> Have you registered your surnames on the AVG home page??? Go to >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ and from there to Surnames >> for further details. >> >> > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Please do not post virus warnings and chain letters. Material from other > lists should ONLY be reposted when it relates to Gippsland topics. >