Okey-dokey - now that I have some idea of dates - I have been looking by coincidence at two branches of a family where there is an extensive list of "christenings", one branch for 1865 to 1873, and the other from 1880 to 1890. He quotes them as "St Mary's Registers, Sale" Which does serve to remind me that although the registers are kept there, that in the early days the priests would have had a "circuit", and being in the registers doesn't mean that it necessarily happened in that building. Just a thought. I know that for the 1840s Anglican records you can work out where the minister was at any particular time, as you would get a group of people from the same area on the same day. I would suspect that if you look at other baptisms around the ones of interest to you, you may be able to work out the liklihood of them being at Sale or out further. Good Luck Linda

Hello, I'm particularly interested in records between 1862-1864, the minister would have been Rev J. McGirr. I think Sale Catholic Cathedral would have been the most likely site for any records. If anyone has had any experience trying to access records, i would be most interested. Regards, Peter

Hi, I'm searching for info re Henry Rogers who married Norah Storen. He was the son of Mary and William Rogers. Is he in any way related to the Rogers from the High Country,namely Keith Rogers. I know Linda told me those Rogers came from Churchill Island in Western Port Bay. A lot of the Rogers who came out in 1849 married and settled in the Western Port area. I'm missing another Henry Rogers father Henry and mother Elizabeth. Hope someone can help. Cheers Chris (Warrnambool)

Hi Peter, I think we need more information. The early Catholic records can be recognised in the Pioneers BD&M CD - if you are looking for pre-registration. After that, each priest had an individual register, and it traveled with him - I am not sure where they ended up in the end - maybe at the Cathedral??? Maybe you need to start with the Cathedral at Sale, but perhaps if you were to suggest a date and place range, people may be able to provide better suggestions. There would have been a lot of changes of practice and records between the 1840s and 1899. Linda At 12:09 AM 26/03/05 +1100, Peter wrote: >Hello, > >Does anyone know if records for the Catholic Church in Gippsland (1800s) >are accessible? > >Regards,

Hello, Does anyone know if records for the Catholic Church in Gippsland (1800s) are accessible? Regards, Peter

Maureen, Vic death index shows that Ethel died in 1931, aged 41, reg Trafalgar, No. 3302. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: [AVG] Landry death > Could someone some info on an Ethel Landry(Popplestone) husband Sydney > dying in Trafalgar Vic around 1939. > Thankyou Maureen. > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Have you registered your surnames on the AVG home page??? Go to > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ and from there to Surnames for > further details. >

Could someone some info on an Ethel Landry(Popplestone) husband Sydney dying in Trafalgar Vic around 1939. Thankyou Maureen.

> -----Original Message----- > From: Julie [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AVG] EBay railway book > > >WARRAGUL-DROUIN-BUNYIP To the best of my knowledge these three still exist -- Regards Laurence E Stephenson mailto: [email protected] The Rise of the Stephenson Family in Australia www.users.bigpond.net.au/steppayne I am Researching:- Butcher......Stroud, Gloucestershire, England..........>1856 Fortune......Berwickshire, Scotland....................>1858 Garlick......Liverpool, Lancashire, England............>1863 Mee..........Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland (Palatine).....>1884 Payne........Washingborough, Lincolnshire, England.....>1863 Ritchie......Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, Scotland.........>1860 Stephenson...Pickering, Yorkshire, England ............>1856 Wittick.....(Convict) Walsall,Staffordshire,England....>1822

If some of the stations still exist, sorry. I was only quoting the blurb for the book. -- Best regards, Julie from Cairns mailto:[email protected]

I noticed a book entitled "Hear the Train Blow" by Patsy Adam-Smith for sale on EBay. "HEAR THE TRAIN BLOW IS THE TRUE STORY OF A REMARKABLE YOUNG GIRL GROWING UP IN THE BUSH DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION. SHE GREW UP AS A RAILWAY CHILD, THEIR PARENTS A STATION-MISTRESS AND A FETTLER. THE MANY TOWNS THEY LIVED NOWINGI-QUAMBATOOK-WARRAGUL-DROUIN-BUNYIP-BRIAGALONG-INGGEEL-MINYIP-MONOMEITH-PENSHURST AND WAAIA NOT ONE OF THESE STATIONS EXIST TO THIS DAY...." -- Best regards, Julie mailto:[email protected]

"Snake Ridge Station was was eventually divided into two - The Ridge, or north of the Latrobe section; and Sydney Cottage (named after John Kings uncle, Sydney King), south of the Latrobe. The township of Rosedale was originally formed by old employees of The Ridge Station at the time when John King was manager there." Further on in the reference it states that Snake Ridge Station was divided into two in 1866. Reference: Shire of Rosedale Centenary 1871 - 1971 by I.T. Maddern The Latrobe refers to the Latrobe River The original size of the Snage Ridge run was 60,000 acres Below are references made in Memoirs of a Stockman by Harry H Peck. As spoken by Alan King (one of four brothers) to the author. Book first published in June 1942 He added that John King the eldest first had The Ridge, at the same time called Snake Ridge, and which then included the portion afterwards called Old Rosedale.The King's sold the The Ridge To Davidson and McLeod, and they to William Montgomery of The Heart who about 50 years ago sold to John Bowman". Estimated to have happened about early 1890's As far as I am aware there are still Bowman family members at The Ridge. Margaret

John Kings first wife was Marianne Peck (d.1863) and she the sister of Dr Peck of Sale. Margaret

On the birth certificates of both my children : Accoucheur is Dr Kelly, who in this case was a male. Eric Tetlow. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Barraclough <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] AVG Query on The Ridge & Accoucher" > Actually, I knew there was something strange about the use of the term - > the Macquarie Dictionary gives "accoucheur" as "a man who acts as a > midwife", and "accoucheuse" as a midwife. > > In this case, without looking at a Victorian birth certificate of that > time, I think the column is "accouchuer, midwife, witness", isn't it? Maybe > doctor is in there? And unless there is a way of specifying, you don't know > which they fit as. > > But, for example, around this period I had a family member who was a > herbalist (not a doctor), elsewhere in Victoria, who was tried for > manslaughter for maladministration to a woman he was attending in > childbirth. He would have fitted the "accoucheur" definition. > > So if it actually has Mrs (not Mr) King as "accoucheur" that would have > been interesting. But perhaps someone who has access to a copy of "The Peck > Plaques" could have a look, and let us know if one of the male Kings was an > early doctor/practitioner of some sort. I know Dr Ffloyd Minter Peck was > somehow married into the Kings, and there is quite a bit of medical > expertise in the two families around that time. > > Interesting thread! > > Linda > > At 02:27 AM 11/03/05 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Linda, > > > >As far as my schoolgirl french goes the translation from the French is 'to > >give birth' so probably a midwife etc. > > > >cheers > > > >Doreen > >Doncaster > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > >To search posts to the list, even back to 1999, go to > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >and, when asked, enter the list name as AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. >

Actually, I knew there was something strange about the use of the term - the Macquarie Dictionary gives "accoucheur" as "a man who acts as a midwife", and "accoucheuse" as a midwife. In this case, without looking at a Victorian birth certificate of that time, I think the column is "accouchuer, midwife, witness", isn't it? Maybe doctor is in there? And unless there is a way of specifying, you don't know which they fit as. But, for example, around this period I had a family member who was a herbalist (not a doctor), elsewhere in Victoria, who was tried for manslaughter for maladministration to a woman he was attending in childbirth. He would have fitted the "accoucheur" definition. So if it actually has Mrs (not Mr) King as "accoucheur" that would have been interesting. But perhaps someone who has access to a copy of "The Peck Plaques" could have a look, and let us know if one of the male Kings was an early doctor/practitioner of some sort. I know Dr Ffloyd Minter Peck was somehow married into the Kings, and there is quite a bit of medical expertise in the two families around that time. Interesting thread! Linda At 02:27 AM 11/03/05 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Linda, > >As far as my schoolgirl french goes the translation from the French is 'to >give birth' so probably a midwife etc. > >cheers > >Doreen >Doncaster > > >==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== >To search posts to the list, even back to 1999, go to >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and, when asked, enter the list name as AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND

The King (I mistyped "Kind") Day Books are just a daily record of what was happening on the station. I have heard, for example, of mention of workers there having their marriages in the books, but it would be more like "dismissed Smith", sent "Brown to Sale for such and such" etc. There is also, I think some form of connection with the Kings and the Floyd Minter Peck family of doctors/nurses. That would fit with Mrs King also acting as "Accoucher" - isn't that the term for the doctor, not the midwife????? Regards Linda At 04:31 PM 11/03/05 +1100, Helen wrote: >Thanks to Linda and Shirley for their information. Can I ask what the >Kind days books are? I don't think I've ever heard of them but have just >joined this list. Thomas Charles Dixon's occupation is given as stockman >for 1859. The "Accoucheur" on the birth certificate is Mrs John King or Ring. >

Thanks to Linda and Shirley for their information. Can I ask what the Kind days books are? I don't think I've ever heard of them but have just joined this list. Thomas Charles Dixon's occupation is given as stockman for 1859. The "Accoucheur" on the birth certificate is Mrs John King or Ring. Thanks once more for your help. Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Barraclough To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Query on The Ridge The Ridge is a sub-division of Snakes Ridge - the main King run. It is still there, on the lefthand side of the highway, after crossing the river at Rosedale, heading towards Sale, you can see it in the distance on top of the hill. The Kind days books are still in existence, and may mention your family - but I am unsure of their years or where theya re actually held. Cheers Linda ______________________________

The King Day books are in the manuscript section of the State Library of Victoria in Melbourne. I looked at them several years ago, as the Kings also had Scarne run north of Traralgon. I cannot remember the year span, but the SLV catalogue is on-line, and it most definitely will tell you what years. Most of the entries are brief notes on day to day work done, i.e. fencing, mustering, and of course, the weather. Sandra Beckett

Hi Linda, As far as my schoolgirl french goes the translation from the French is 'to give birth' so probably a midwife etc. cheers Doreen Doncaster

Hi Helen In ref. to THE RIDGE was actually a Saw Mill if so it was near Goon Nure. the land was owned by the Neils, the mill was owned & ran by J.E. & J.C Musgrove & J.E. & E.W Kyle trading as The Gippsland Saw milling Co. was known as The Ridge. I hope this is what you are looking for I will have scan through the Goon Nure book to see if I come across your family Sharon Campbell (nee Musgrove)

The Ridge is a sub-division of Snakes Ridge - the main King run. It is still there, on the lefthand side of the highway, after crossing the river at Rosedale, heading towards Sale, you can see it in the distance on top of the hill. The Kind days books are still in existence, and may mention your family - but I am unsure of their years or where theya re actually held. Cheers Linda