Hi, I am wondering if anyone has any photos relating to Emily Archer / Barker / Maxey (or family)? A quick potted history of Emily in Gippsland is: - Arrived Alberton 19 June 1849 as Mary Emily Archer, working for Mr Stewart (via Pemberton from Ireland). - Married Jervase Mullins 18 October 1849 in Alberton, and had children Jane in Strathfieldsaye and James in Stratford. - Had children with William Barker in areas such as Donnelly's Creek: Elizabeth, Emily, William, Valentine, Margaret from 1862 and was selector in Seaton 1874. - Married William Barker 11 June 1875 in Sale - Married Richard Maxey of Sale on 8 May 1883 - Died York St Sale 30 Sept 1890, buried C of E Sale. Regards Don Tylee

Hi Listers Does anyone have information please on monumental inscriptions for Sale cemetery ? David NOLAN died 24 Aug 1912 at Gippsland Hospital and I believe was buried in Sale. Any advice or help would be gratefully received Regards Irene R Rees/Dowsett Family Page http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44

Hi Jan Can't find any of them in Sale Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions Regards Vee Jan <[email protected]> wrote: Hi List Would anyone have access to Sale cemetery fiche. Am seeking information on O'Toole family headstones. Patrick O'Toole died 1911 his wife Sarah died 1901. Also their grandson Robert Henry ENRIGHT died 1888 Any information appreciated Regards Jan ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== To search posts to the list, even back to 1999, go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and, when asked, enter the list name as AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Still looking for contact with any of the above line. Alfred William PASSMORE born 1866, Geelong, married Mary Jane ANDERSON in 1893, probably in Sale or Longford. Mary Jane died in 1896 at St. Kilda after the birth of her second child. Alfred William married again in 1898 - to Lydia Tabitha COTT(E)RELL. There were two more children, the older being Violet Muriel, born 1899 at Richmond. She married in 1913 Alfred Thomas COLES, born 1887 at Yea. The youngest of their four children was Alfred Raymond COLES, born about 1925 and who died at Traralgon in 1961. It's a long shot but am wondering if anyone on this list knows of, or can put me in touch with, descendants, if any, of Alfred. There is a proposed family reunion of descendants of Charles and Maria SMITH of Rosedale at Easter next year and the families mentioned above are all connected but contact was lost many years ago. the older of the tworobbos

Hi List Would anyone have access to Sale cemetery fiche. Am seeking information on O'Toole family headstones. Patrick O'Toole died 1911 his wife Sarah died 1901. Also their grandson Robert Henry ENRIGHT died 1888 Any information appreciated Regards Jan

The Foster Museum has received two photos found in a house in Reserve Street, Port Franklin, when it changed hands. The subjects are three children, two longhaired sisters and their brother. The photographer's inscription appears to be WH Cummins, Weymouth. On the back is written the name Hope and the date is estimated around 1940s-50s. No one in this district at present can identify them but they will be kept in the museum waiting owners. The current phone directory lists, among others, HOPE at Inverloch, Wonthaggi and Warragul. Shirley Westaway Research Officer Foster and District Historical Soc. Inc.

From the PRO Index of Inward Passengers : Inseal, Arthur G. January 1912 ."Themistocles" Unassisted Passenger. Eric.

Carolyn Not directly connected to Alfred John Howlett. There are 2 Howlett lines (distantly related). The Bairnsdale family came from Tasmania and I think Alfred John Howlett comes from this Lazarus Howlett line. My line came from South Australia and settled around Narracan and Mirboo North. I have some details if you are interested and contacts for the Lazarus line. My husband's line of Fisher came from Cumbria. Robyn Robyn Fisher (nee Ellis) Researching Ellis, Howlett, Hogben, Maidment, Hollins, Kent, Edington, Fisher, Miller, Sweetland, Helyer.

Thanks to all who offered help and suggestions. Re the two entries for Arthur INSEAL on the ADFA database - Arthur was hospitalised in Egypt (sick) and returned to Australia, and on recovery went back to France - hence the second entry from the embarkation rolls. I have found his Service Record already digitised on the NAA site. Regards John Waldron

I take my hat off to Jan for winning the jackpot! For the record, the new AIF website shows TWO entries for our Arthur. Walter Arthur George * INSEAL Regimental number 1914 Religion Church of England Occupation Farmer Address Felton, Worcester, England Marital status Single Age at embarkation 26 Next of kin Mother, Mrs Emily Inseal, Felton, Worcester, England Enlistment Date 6 April 1915 Date of Enlistment from Nominal Roll 16 June 1915 Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 22nd Battalion, 11th Reinforcement AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/39/3 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT RMS Orontes on 29 March 1916 Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 22nd Battalion Fate Killed in Action 5 August 1916 Other details War service: Western Front Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal Arthur George INSEAL Regimental number 1914 Place of birth Herefordshire, England Place of birth Felton, Worcs. England School from Roll of Honour Elementary School Age on arrival in Australia 21 Religion Church of England Occupation Clerk Address Curriyung via Rosedale, Victoria Marital status Single Age at embarkation 25 Next of kin Mother, Mrs Inseal, Felton, Pencome, Worcester, England Enlistment Date 15 June 1915 Date of Enlistment from Nominal Roll 16 June 1915 Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 22nd Battalion, 3rd Reinforcement AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/39/2 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A68 Anchises on 26 August 1915 Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 22nd Battalion Fate Killed in Action 5 August 1916 Place of death or wounding France Age at death 25 Age at death from cemetery records 25 Commemoration details Australian National Memorial, Villers-Bretonneux, France Villers-Bretonneux is a village about 15 km east of Amiens. The Memorial stands on the high ground ('Hill 104') behind the Villers-Bretonneux Military Cemetery, Fouilloy, which is about 2 km north of Villers-Bretonneux on the east side of the road to Fouilloy. The Australian National Memorial, Villers-Bretonneux is approached through the Military Cemetery, at the end of which is an open grass lawn which leads into a three-sided court. The two pavilions on the left and right are linked by the north and south walls to the back (east) wall, from which rises the focal point of the Memorial, a 105 foot tall tower, of fine ashlar. A staircase leads to an observation platform, 64 feet above the ground, from which further staircases lead to an observation room. This room contains a circular stone tablet with bronze pointers indicating the Somme villages whose names have become synonymous with battles of the Great War; other battle fields in France and Belgium in which Australians fought; and far beyond, Gallipoli and Canberra. On the three walls, which are faced with Portland stone, are the names of 10,885 Australians who were killed in France and who have no known grave. The 'blocking course' above them bears the names of the Australian Battle Honours. After the war an appeal in Australia raised 22,700 Pounds, of which 12,500 Pounds came from Victorian school children, with the request that the majority of the funds be used to build a new school in Villers-Bretonneux. The boys' school opened in May 1927, and contains an inscription stating that the school was the gift of Victorian schoolchildren, twelve hundred of whose fathers are buried in the Villers-Bretonneux cemetery, with the names of many more recorded on the Memorial. Villers-Bretonneux is now twinned with Robinvale, Victoria, which has in its main square an impressive memorial to the links between the two towns. Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian War Memorial 96 Miscellaneous information from cemetery records Parents: George adn Emma INSEAL, Hinton Cottage, Preston Wynne, Hereford, England

Hi Everyone, I think we finally have the answer, after a number of red herrings. Thanks to Jan on the AUS-MILITARY list for this one: >Hi Linda and everyone > >When I was doing research on the WW1 monuments in the Penrith area a few >years ago, I came up with lots of wrong spellings and also no real idea why >some of them were on the memorials! Further investigation showed that some >were teachers, railway workers and posties who had been living in the area >at the time of enlistment. To find out more I used the roll of honour >keyword search for the various towns in the district. I have just done this >for Carrajung and guess what? This might be your fellow! > >Inseal, Arthur George >Number: 1914 >Rank: Private [Pte] >Unit: 22nd Bn >Service: Army >Conflict: 1914-1918 >Date of Death: 05/08/1916 >Place of Death: >Cause of Death: >Memorial Panel: 96 >Cemetery or Memorial Details: 26 Villers Bretonneux-France >Next Of Kin: >Place Of Enlistment: Carrajung, VIC >Native Place: >Notes: INSEAL, Pte. Arthur George, 1914. 22nd Bn. 5th Aug., 1916. Age 25. >Son of George Michael and Emma Inseal, of Hinton Cottage, Preston Wynne, >Hereford, England. Born at Felton, Worcs, England. > >Source: AWM145 Roll of Honour cards, 1914-1918 War, Army > >Hope this is of assistance - best wishes > >Jan Herivel -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/05

Well, I never. This is an answer from another list (AUS-MILITARY), which may well be on the way to a solution: Linda just checked the free BMD site in the UK - found an Alfred Charles Ensil who married in 1892 in Stourbridge - found the name Ensil on another site that I know in the same area the late 1800's. Might be that your A Ensil belongs to the same family - is it worth checking into the movements of this Alfred Charles Ensil or contacting the local research centre in the UK to see if they can help with any information? Long shot I know but the only other Ensil's that I have turned up are from Estonia or the name has been used as a christian name. Lynette -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/05

Hi Everyone, Just to confuse the issue, I have had a look at the Rosedale Shire Honour Roll - and another possibility is A.P. INGLE. I think they were a Flynn family, weren't they? Or somewhere out that way??? If he had some tenuous connection, such as he had worked in the area, so tenuous that, in those times of lesser communication and literacy, someone couldn't quite get the spelling right, that could be another long shot???? I think there are plenty of easy-to-find INGLEs around Traralgon who could possibly indicate if there is any basis at all for a connection. And, even worse (and this is total speculation), we aren't dealing here with a name-change from German, where he was originally something like EINSEL (pure guesswork for spelling)? That happened a lot in the first war, didn't it???? My German isn't that good (well, it is non-existent), but that is another option - whoever it is enlisted under an Anglicised name, but the locals made a best guess at what his name was for the roll??? Cheers Linda -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/05

Has anybody checked the Electoral Rolls for the district? !903 is easy to search. If you haven't got access in Gippsland I can check at the State Library next week I am having exactly the same problems around Yarra Glen. I think a lot who enlisted were local farm hands and not native to the district Eric. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Barraclough <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Looking for A. Ensil - 1st AIF > Hi Everyone, > > I have written to John offlist, with my best bet being ANSELL - there are > six with the first initial A who died in WWI. > > However I cannot put any of them in Gippsland - but this is the sort of > tenuous spelling you get from someone remembering someone who was at school > there for a few years ..... > > My quick look seems to suggest the only school there pre-war was Carrajung > South, and the Yarram Genealogical Group holds some sort of records from > there. IU wonder if there is anyone who could have a look and see if there > is anything there that would help???? (Although if he was in the school > rolls you would think the name would be spelled correctly..... ) > > Any thoughts? > > Linda > > At 08:40 PM 9/05/05 +1000, John wrote: > > >The name is clearly listed as Ensil. A (however the Board was refurbished > >when it was relocated to Gormandale) - but I can found no ENSIL on any AIF > >or Commonwealth War Grave Commission listing. The nearest 'match' I can > >locate is an Arthur ENGEL - but I can find no link between this man, or his > >family, and Carrajung. (The Honour Board appears to be not restricted to > >pupils and teachers from the Carrajung school - it appears to include men > >from the district). > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. >

The NAA shows two entries for this Albert Harold Ansell The first is that he had a wife when he enlisted. Grace Ansell The second entry is from his grandmother Esther Knight who as guardian of his children was seeking assistance. If this is your man then there should be some trace of him and his family near Carrajung. Possibly the birth of his children . Did Grace die or remarry and dump the kids. Best regards John Waite Walter Savige wrote: > The Vic BDM indexes shows a possible clue. > The death index for 1963 shows an entry for Eva Ansell, aged 67, > registered at "YARR" (presumably Yarram). > Other index entries show that Eva was a sister-in-law of Albert Harold > ANSELL, birth reg 1891 Collingwood. > (Eva was wife of Crawford ANSELL. Albert & Crawford were sons of Allen > ANSELL & Mary DAVIES.) > Commonwealth War Graves site shows an entry for Albert Harold Arnold, > died 8 May 1915. > > Walter >

I should add that the new AIF website shows that Allen ANSELL (a brother of Albert Harold ANSELL) was also killed at Gallipoli (on 26 Aug 1915). The birth index shows his name as Enoch Allen ANSELL, birth reg 1881. Walter

The Vic BDM indexes shows a possible clue. The death index for 1963 shows an entry for Eva Ansell, aged 67, registered at "YARR" (presumably Yarram). Other index entries show that Eva was a sister-in-law of Albert Harold ANSELL, birth reg 1891 Collingwood. (Eva was wife of Crawford ANSELL. Albert & Crawford were sons of Allen ANSELL & Mary DAVIES.) Commonwealth War Graves site shows an entry for Albert Harold Arnold, died 8 May 1915. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Looking for A. Ensil - 1st AIF > Hi Everyone, > > I have written to John offlist, with my best bet being ANSELL - there are > six with the first initial A who died in WWI. > > However I cannot put any of them in Gippsland - but this is the sort of > tenuous spelling you get from someone remembering someone who was at > school there for a few years ..... > > My quick look seems to suggest the only school there pre-war was Carrajung > South, and the Yarram Genealogical Group holds some sort of records from > there. IU wonder if there is anyone who could have a look and see if there > is anything there that would help???? (Although if he was in the school > rolls you would think the name would be spelled correctly..... ) > > Any thoughts? > > Linda > > At 08:40 PM 9/05/05 +1000, John wrote: > >>The name is clearly listed as Ensil. A (however the Board was refurbished >>when it was relocated to Gormandale) - but I can found no ENSIL on any AIF >>or Commonwealth War Grave Commission listing. The nearest 'match' I can >>locate is an Arthur ENGEL - but I can find no link between this man, or >>his >>family, and Carrajung. (The Honour Board appears to be not restricted to >>pupils and teachers from the Carrajung school - it appears to include men >>from the district). > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole > list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they > would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat > back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. >

Hi Everyone, I have written to John offlist, with my best bet being ANSELL - there are six with the first initial A who died in WWI. However I cannot put any of them in Gippsland - but this is the sort of tenuous spelling you get from someone remembering someone who was at school there for a few years ..... My quick look seems to suggest the only school there pre-war was Carrajung South, and the Yarram Genealogical Group holds some sort of records from there. IU wonder if there is anyone who could have a look and see if there is anything there that would help???? (Although if he was in the school rolls you would think the name would be spelled correctly..... ) Any thoughts? Linda At 08:40 PM 9/05/05 +1000, John wrote: >The name is clearly listed as Ensil. A (however the Board was refurbished >when it was relocated to Gormandale) - but I can found no ENSIL on any AIF >or Commonwealth War Grave Commission listing. The nearest 'match' I can >locate is an Arthur ENGEL - but I can find no link between this man, or his >family, and Carrajung. (The Honour Board appears to be not restricted to >pupils and teachers from the Carrajung school - it appears to include men >from the district).

John I don't know whether this will help or not but - My wife's father was an orphan in the care of the Presbyterian and Scots Neglected Childrens' Society from the age of 6 until he turned 18. The society found foster parents for him and he was transferred several times until finishing up at Delvine Park at Fernbank in 1913. He stayed on here and enlisted in WWI in 1915. Fortunately, he returned. However, his birth was registered in Stawell and it wasn't until he married in 1926 that he appeareed in the indexes at Bairnsdale. It's a bit of a long shot perhaps but maybe your man was in a similar situation. the older of the tworobbos

Hi Listers The Gormandale Primary School has on its walls the Honour Boards from three of the smaller schools - Gormandale, Gormandale East and Carrajung - that have been closed. On the Honour Board which came from the Carrajung School, there are four names which are indicated as killed/died - I am trying to prepare some information on each of these four men - but one is proving elusive. The name is clearly listed as Ensil. A (however the Board was refurbished when it was relocated to Gormandale) - but I can found no ENSIL on any AIF or Commonwealth War Grave Commission listing. The nearest 'match' I can locate is an Arthur ENGEL - but I can find no link between this man, or his family, and Carrajung. (The Honour Board appears to be not restricted to pupils and teachers from the Carrajung school - it appears to include men from the district). Any hints, ideas or information would be most welcome. John Waldron