Dear Deborah, Thankyou so much for your posting. It appears as though Dawn Louanne is the Williamson Neil Mansfield told me was another of 'mine'. And you've also found the death of the one and only Williamson I have found a birth registration for, in Tasmania, William Ramsay Williamson. Thanks again, Carol Brill.

Carol with a quick look these may help Debbie Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Surname: WILLIAMSON Given Names: Dawn Louann Father: Williamson Wm Thomas Mother: Dorothy RICHARDS Death Place: PRAN Age: 10 Age Code: Year: 1935 Reg Number: 7424 Event: D Surname: WILLIAMSON Given Names: Wm Ramsay Father: Williamson Wm Mother: Susan MANSFIELD Death Place: CFIELD Age: 84 Age Code: Year: 1924 Reg Number: 959 Event: D Surname: WILLIAMSON Given Names: Catherine Father: Ramsay Mother: Susanna MANSFIELD Death Place: SALE Age: 75 Age Code: Year: 1923 Reg Number: 3316 Event: D Digger - Great War Index. Victoria 1914-1920 Surname: WILLIAMSON Given Names: Louisa Jane Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Shaddock Edw Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Margt MOORE Age: 66 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Carlton Year: 1917 Reg. Number: 7732 -----Original Message----- From: Carol [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 8:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: More on 'my' Williamsons. Dear all again, I omitted several of 'my' Williamsons in the Sale cemetery when I posted my last email. Being unable to read my scrawl, either Dawn Louanne Williamson, OR Louise Ann Williamson is also a daughter of Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. I think it's Dawn, but I'm unsure. One of the two died as a 10 year old, (not a daughter of the above couple), and one or the other died either in 1935, or 1916. Sorry this is so muddled. Also, the Clara Affia Williamson mentioned in my last post must have been a grand-daughter of Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield, not a daughter: she was the daughter of a Thomas Williamson, (whose birth in Tasmania is also not registered anywhere I can find it!), and Catherine McDonald. So, please add Thomas Williamson to the list of descendants of Susannah and Ramsay Williamson, probably born in Tasmania, but in Tarraville for the birth of this daughter in 1856. Best wishes, Carol Brill.

Hi Carol, I thought I recognised these names, I just had to find them in my tree. Simeon Napper, who married Affia Williamson, was my husband's 1st cousin, six times removed ! So he's not really high on my priority list, as you can imagine. According to Vic. BDM they were married in Victoria in 1868, reg. no.1337. Simeon and Affia also had another son, Frederick Charles, born in 1873 in Sale, reg. no. 5228. He died in 1902, reg. no. 3667. Catherine Williamson, daughter of Ramsey and Susannah was born in Yarraville, Vic in 1848, reg. no. 24989. If I find anything else I'll send it directly to you. regards, Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: [AVG] Gippsland Williamsons. > > Affia Williamson b. ?Tas? m. Simeon Napper 1868 in Tas ? Reg. Vic. d. ? > Children: > Ada Susan Napper b. 1869 Sale. > John James Napper b. 1874 > Simeon Napper b. 1874 m. Lillian Easterby d. 1958 > Lilla Rose Napper b 1876 Sale m ?Harry Cox? d. 1954 Sale > William Walter Napper b 1878 m. Pearl McCann d. 1958 > Charles Napper b. 1881 Rosedal m.? d. 1965 > Francis Ramsay Napper b. 1883 Rosedal d. 1961. > > > Catherine (Cate) Williamson b. ? d. 24/1/1923 aged 75. (Buried Sale > Cemetery.) Parents: Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. >

Hi Carol, I'm reading through your Williamson families but am a bit confused. Are you related to Clara Affia? Her father Thomas is not related to Ramsay Williamson. If you are interested in this line pls contact me off list and I will give you info - which is well said - we have just moved but I think I can find it. Cheers Kim Harbeck Basel, Switzerland -----Original Message----- From: Carol [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 11:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: More on 'my' Williamsons. Dear all again, I omitted several of 'my' Williamsons in the Sale cemetery when I posted my last email. Being unable to read my scrawl, either Dawn Louanne Williamson, OR Louise Ann Williamson is also a daughter of Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. I think it's Dawn, but I'm unsure. One of the two died as a 10 year old, (not a daughter of the above couple), and one or the other died either in 1935, or 1916. Sorry this is so muddled. Also, the Clara Affia Williamson mentioned in my last post must have been a grand-daughter of Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield, not a daughter: she was the daughter of a Thomas Williamson, (whose birth in Tasmania is also not registered anywhere I can find it!), and Catherine McDonald. So, please add Thomas Williamson to the list of descendants of Susannah and Ramsay Williamson, probably born in Tasmania, but in Tarraville for the birth of this daughter in 1856. Best wishes, Carol Brill.

Hi Carol According to the Victorian Death Indexes Dawn Louanne Williamson, daughter of William Thomas and Dorothy [Richards] Williamson died at Prahran in 1935 - Registration No.7424 Cheers Vee Carol <[email protected]> wrote: Dear all again, I omitted several of 'my' Williamsons in the Sale cemetery when I posted my last email. Being unable to read my scrawl, either Dawn Louanne Williamson, OR Louise Ann Williamson is also a daughter of Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. I think it's Dawn, but I'm unsure. One of the two died as a 10 year old, (not a daughter of the above couple), and one or the other died either in 1935, or 1916. Sorry this is so muddled. Also, the Clara Affia Williamson mentioned in my last post must have been a grand-daughter of Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield, not a daughter: she was the daughter of a Thomas Williamson, (whose birth in Tasmania is also not registered anywhere I can find it!), and Catherine McDonald. So, please add Thomas Williamson to the list of descendants of Susannah and Ramsay Williamson, probably born in Tasmania, but in Tarraville for the birth of this daughter in 1856. Best wishes, Carol Brill. ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== In general, the more information you post about a family, the more information you will get back - you need at least to say where in Gippsland the family came from, and give an idea of dates. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Try Yahoo! Photomail Beta: Send up to 300 photos in one email!

Hello everyone, Is anyone researching Charlotte Clark, born 1870 Bendigo, to William ADAMS & Ellen THORNE? First marriage 1888 to Richard Sutton who died in 1891. Second marriage to William CLARK, at Footscray in 1893. Charlotte and William had children at Footscray, Koo Wee Rup, and then two at Outtrim - the last known child in 1902. Does anyone know where this family disappeared to? best wishes, Jenny Coates

Dear all again, I omitted several of 'my' Williamsons in the Sale cemetery when I posted my last email. Being unable to read my scrawl, either Dawn Louanne Williamson, OR Louise Ann Williamson is also a daughter of Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. I think it's Dawn, but I'm unsure. One of the two died as a 10 year old, (not a daughter of the above couple), and one or the other died either in 1935, or 1916. Sorry this is so muddled. Also, the Clara Affia Williamson mentioned in my last post must have been a grand-daughter of Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield, not a daughter: she was the daughter of a Thomas Williamson, (whose birth in Tasmania is also not registered anywhere I can find it!), and Catherine McDonald. So, please add Thomas Williamson to the list of descendants of Susannah and Ramsay Williamson, probably born in Tasmania, but in Tarraville for the birth of this daughter in 1856. Best wishes, Carol Brill.

Hi Carol The bare info I have is Walter Williamson m Margaret Clyne Their daughter Elizabeth married Greenup Osborn in 1881. Regards Lesley -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 07/31/05 18:20:59 To: [email protected] Subject: [AVG] Gippsland Williamsons. Dear Linda, Thanks for your welcoming letter: I realised after I'd sent my introductory e-mail how little information I'd actually sent. Sorry. Today I'll just stick to the Williamsons and the few families I know they married into. These are the brief details I have on 'my' Williamsons in Gippsland, at this very early stage, who are descendants of Susannah Mansfield and William Ramsay Williamson. I found several by searching for the name "Affia', and then contacted people I hoped were related to two descendants, a Napper and a Ludbey, by phone, and 'lucked in'. I then found several more after contacting Neil Mansfield, who is working on listing the burials at Sale Cemetery. As I pointed out in my earlier email, I have only discovered these people, so have virtually no information on them, but reams on their parents and grandparents. Affia Williamson b. ?Tas? m. Simeon Napper 1868 in Tas ? Reg. Vic. d. ? Children: Ada Susan Napper b. 1869 Sale. John James Napper b. 1874 Simeon Napper b. 1874 m. Lillian Easterby d. 1958 Lilla Rose Napper b 1876 Sale m ?Harry Cox? d. 1954 Sale William Walter Napper b 1878 m. Pearl McCann d. 1958 Charles Napper b. 1881 Rosedal m.? d. 1965 Francis Ramsay Napper b. 1883 Rosedal d. 1961. Clara Affia Williamson, b. Tarraville 1856. m. Augustus Ludbey Tarraville 1874. d. Sale, 1882. Children: Thomas Augustus Ludbey b. Traralgon 1877. m. Victoria Griffiths 1907 d. 1943. Adeline Susan Ludbey b. 1882 Traralgon d. 1883 Rosedale. Isabella Susannah Williamson b ? m ?Jonathon? Walden d. 23/8/1930 (Buried in Sale Cemetery.) Parents: Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. Catherine (Cate) Williamson b. ? d. 24/1/1923 aged 75. (Buried Sale Cemetery.) Parents: Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. There is also a Margaret Williamson, nee Kline, Maffra., died 11/11/1916, whose husband may 'fit', name unknown, buried in Sale, as well as a Hannah Mary Williamson. So, if your Williamson was born in the 1840s, 50s, and 60s, he/she may be one of this family. Now, swamp me, please! I'll post details of the other families I mentioned earlier, at another time Thanks, Carol Brill, Melbourne. As a Taswegain, I'm having trouble identifying the abbreviations of place names on my Australian Vital Records CD Rom. If I send some howlers, please correct me, and I may need to consult with the Gippsland experts often; no, I will need to consult often with queries on place names. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== In general, the more information you post about a family, the more information you will get back - you need at least to say where in Gippsland the family came from, and give an idea of dates.

Dear Linda, Thanks for your welcoming letter: I realised after I'd sent my introductory e-mail how little information I'd actually sent. Sorry. Today I'll just stick to the Williamsons and the few families I know they married into. These are the brief details I have on 'my' Williamsons in Gippsland, at this very early stage, who are descendants of Susannah Mansfield and William Ramsay Williamson. I found several by searching for the name "Affia', and then contacted people I hoped were related to two descendants, a Napper and a Ludbey, by phone, and 'lucked in'. I then found several more after contacting Neil Mansfield, who is working on listing the burials at Sale Cemetery. As I pointed out in my earlier email, I have only discovered these people, so have virtually no information on them, but reams on their parents and grandparents. Affia Williamson b. ?Tas? m. Simeon Napper 1868 in Tas ? Reg. Vic. d. ? Children: Ada Susan Napper b. 1869 Sale. John James Napper b. 1874 Simeon Napper b. 1874 m. Lillian Easterby d. 1958 Lilla Rose Napper b 1876 Sale m ?Harry Cox? d. 1954 Sale William Walter Napper b 1878 m. Pearl McCann d. 1958 Charles Napper b. 1881 Rosedal m.? d. 1965 Francis Ramsay Napper b. 1883 Rosedal d. 1961. Clara Affia Williamson, b. Tarraville 1856. m. Augustus Ludbey Tarraville 1874. d. Sale, 1882. Children: Thomas Augustus Ludbey b. Traralgon 1877. m. Victoria Griffiths 1907 d. 1943. Adeline Susan Ludbey b. 1882 Traralgon d. 1883 Rosedale. Isabella Susannah Williamson b ? m ?Jonathon? Walden d. 23/8/1930 (Buried in Sale Cemetery.) Parents: Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. Catherine (Cate) Williamson b. ? d. 24/1/1923 aged 75. (Buried Sale Cemetery.) Parents: Ramsay Williamson and Susannah Mansfield. There is also a Margaret Williamson, nee Kline, Maffra., died 11/11/1916, whose husband may 'fit', name unknown, buried in Sale, as well as a Hannah Mary Williamson. So, if your Williamson was born in the 1840s, 50s, and 60s, he/she may be one of this family. Now, swamp me, please! I'll post details of the other families I mentioned earlier, at another time. Thanks, Carol Brill, Melbourne. As a Taswegain, I'm having trouble identifying the abbreviations of place names on my Australian Vital Records CD Rom. If I send some howlers, please correct me, and I may need to consult with the Gippsland experts often; no, I will need to consult often with queries on place names. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005

Hi, Carol >...If you have found the name 'Affia' or similar in any of your researches, >she's definitely one of 'mine': it's a corruption of Sophia Mansfield, >nee Chilver's name. To start - from the "Clonmel to Federation 1841-1901" index at Gippsland Regional Maritime Museum, Port Albert: Affia MYERS, born c1830, second daughter of Thomas and Anne Elizabeth (COCHRANE) MYERS [DPI] [GG, 4 Oct 1861] "MYERS from Tasmania, who later died tragically" [CGN, Vol 3, p 3] Second wife of George SCUTT/SCUTTS (qv) Lived at Bairnsdale after husband's death, returning recently to her old home next to Mr F CAWLEY. Suffered epileptic fits. Found dead, burnt, in potato paddock. Buried C/E, near husband's grave [GS, 10 Dec 1884] Affia SCUTT died 1884 Tarraville, aged 54, of accidental burns [DVI] The names you mentioned were in the Port Albert area in the 1840s-1850s. Hope to see you at Port Albert Regards Gwen ----------------------------------------- Port Albert Maritime Museum Inc, Tarraville Road, Port Albert 3971, Victoria, Australia trading as Gippsland Regional Maritime Museum http://yarrampa.customer.netspace.net.au/pamm.html

Hi Carol, And welcome to the list. If you can give us some clues about where in Gippsland, we may well be happy to "swamp away". Gippsland is a big place, so although these may be the Nappers from Sale, some clues on the Williamsons would help. (For Sale Nappers, have you seen Victoria and its Metropolis???) Regards Linda At 01:59 PM 30/07/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear All, >As this is my first posting to the list, I'll try to explain who my lot >are, and their background. (I've looked through your archives, and >haven't found any info. as far back as I go, so all of you with interests >in the above names may find a link. Hope so!) >Most of these people are either descended from William and Elizabeth Ann >Cockerell, free settlers on the Ocean, VDL, 1804 (Graham, Scutt, Ashton), >or Michael Mansfield and Sophia Chilvers, also the Ocean, 1804. >(Williamson and some Nappers, so far.) >I only found that the Williamsons moved to Gippsland two days ago, so have >very little information on them after they arrived. However, I do have >heaps of information for all these families in Tasmania, before their >departure. If you have found the name 'Affia' or similar in any of your >researches, she's definitely one of 'mine': it's a corruption of Sophia >Mansfield, nee Chilver's name. >I hope to be swamped ASAP: I look forward to your replies, >Carol Brill, Taswegian, now in Melbourne. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005

Dear All, As this is my first posting to the list, I'll try to explain who my lot are, and their background. (I've looked through your archives, and haven't found any info. as far back as I go, so all of you with interests in the above names may find a link. Hope so!) Most of these people are either descended from William and Elizabeth Ann Cockerell, free settlers on the Ocean, VDL, 1804 (Graham, Scutt, Ashton), or Michael Mansfield and Sophia Chilvers, also the Ocean, 1804. (Williamson and some Nappers, so far.) I only found that the Williamsons moved to Gippsland two days ago, so have very little information on them after they arrived. However, I do have heaps of information for all these families in Tasmania, before their departure. If you have found the name 'Affia' or similar in any of your researches, she's definitely one of 'mine': it's a corruption of Sophia Mansfield, nee Chilver's name. I hope to be swamped ASAP: I look forward to your replies, Carol Brill, Taswegian, now in Melbourne.

Hello, Could I ask the likely hood of two THOMAS's buried in the same grave not being related? Did Hazelwood Cemetery have "paupers graves"? Thanks to a reply from Doug, I discovered that there was a John THOMAS aged 84 died 1924 in the same reference as Kathleen THOMAS aged 2. Death for this John THOMAS listed parents unknown, and I am 99% sure that Kathleen is "mine". But I don't think John fits into "mine". So either they are unrelated and in a paupers grave or if they are related either I have it wrong or I need to go back further to find where he fits!!!!! Does anybody have John THOMAS born about 1842 parents unknown died 1924 in Morwell and buried in Hazelwood???? Thank you Pat

Hi, Following some previous queries of mine - I now have the book "The Old Brown Coal Mine" by Kath Ringin. The book mentions a large strike which lasted 5 months in 1920/21. Now this has raised some other possibilities for my THOMAS family. From certificates and the birth index, I suspect that they were not in the Brown Coal Mine area very long (although James may have been there and the rest of the family in Fitzroy of course!) Anyway my questions are - Does anybody know if lists of either the "workers on strike" or the workers "brought up as 'scabs'" (but I suspect may not have managed to get to work) exist? Would there be lists of those receiving the "strike pay"? (mentioned in the book) I have tried the Vic PRO/ Archives - but I may be using the wrong search words. Also I tried to search the Braeside FHC fiche of the Hazelwood Cemetery - but it was missing. Does anybody know somewhere else that has one? Thank you Pat

I am going to the library tomorrow to get a copy of mum and dad's engagement notice for their wedding scrapbook Regards, Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy&Andrew" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [AVG] Finding Newspaper in Sun Newspaper in 1958 re Grantville person > Anne > > Thanks for your reply, no I don't have a copy of the article, don't even > have an actual date, just this vague mention in the family history article > that was given to me by a relative. The thought of searching EVERY paper > for 1958 is fairly daunting. Though one of these years, I will have to go > through all the engagement notices for 1959 to early 1960 to have > hopefully an engagement notice for my half sister to see if I can trace > her down that way. > > > I live in Sunbury by the way > > Regards > > Joy > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > In general, the more information you post about a family, the more > information you will get back - you need at least to say where in > Gippsland the family came from, and give an idea of dates. >

Anne Thanks for your reply, no I don't have a copy of the article, don't even have an actual date, just this vague mention in the family history article that was given to me by a relative. The thought of searching EVERY paper for 1958 is fairly daunting. Though one of these years, I will have to go through all the engagement notices for 1959 to early 1960 to have hopefully an engagement notice for my half sister to see if I can trace her down that way. I live in Sunbury by the way Regards Joy

Hello Joy, I hope that I can help..... do you have the cutting from the newspaper? If not the State Library of Victoria will have the papers themselves and and microfiche. If you can't get to the library (I don't know where you are situated) if you look on their website http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/services/copy_supply/photography/prices.html you will find how to order it if need be. also regarding the 1,000 pounds, my father paid 1,000 for a car in 1958, so a no insignificant amount of money Regards, Anne, Melbourne

Hi everyone I have been given some family history information in which it has a part that reads: In 1958? Willie made headline news in the Melbourne Sun because he banked the family's money which was in excess of 1,000 pounds. Now this refers to William DUNBABIN who was living in Grantville. How on earth would I find out if there was any truth in the story, and what would be so unusual about banking !,000 pounds. I know it would be a fair amount of money back then, but not an astronomical amount. If anyone has any ideas I would be extremely grateful. Regards Joy Light

Folks Thanks very much, I'll have a talk with Don and see if I can get a copy. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil & Marg Andrews To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Book on Rosedale Hi all, Don still had copies in March this year when I visited him. Marg A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Book on Rosedale > I bought mine direct from Don a couple of years ago and I would suggest you contact him direct to see if he still has copies available. Phone No. is (03) 5148 9251. > > the older of the tworobbos > > The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. > and . . . . > As we slide down the bannister of life, may the splinters never point the wrong way > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Lookups are available by going to the AVG home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ and from there to Lookups. If the lookup that you need isn't listed there, and is a GIPPSLAND one, then it is appropriate to ask on list. >

Hi all, Don still had copies in March this year when I visited him. Marg A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Book on Rosedale > I bought mine direct from Don a couple of years ago and I would suggest you contact him direct to see if he still has copies available. Phone No. is (03) 5148 9251. > > the older of the tworobbos > > The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. > and . . . . > As we slide down the bannister of life, may the splinters never point the wrong way > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > Lookups are available by going to the AVG home page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/ and from there to Lookups. If the lookup that you need isn't listed there, and is a GIPPSLAND one, then it is appropriate to ask on list. >