I have John WILLIAMSON son of Walter and Margaret CLYNE married to Elizabeth Emily JESSEP is that incorrect?? I am a bit confused with this whole thing. Cheers Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: [AVG] Re: Williamson > At 07:09 PM 3/08/2005 +1000, Ian wrote: > > >My records have Margaret CLYNE (my GGG Aunt) m Walter Grieve WILLIAMSON > >1859 and their daughter Elizabeth m Greenup OSBORN 1882. This conflicts > >with your notes above saying James WILLIAMSON was married to a CLYNE. Can > >you clarify? > > Ooops - and I am starting to go slightly bananas trying to work these all > out, and am going to retire from the fray. > > James WILLIAMSON I quoted from Victoria and its Metropolis. He came from > Caithness via the Geelong area to Tinamba. He married Jane McKENZIE. I have > a headstone date, but no death registration. > > John Williamson married a Barbara WILLIAMSON. One or the other of them is a > child of Donald Williamson and Barbara Meiklejohn (I think). This group > comes from Caithness via Geelong and ended up in Tinamba. But I am now > tending towards this being the branch the Glencairn Williamsons come from. > > And yes, Walter Grieve WILLIAMSON married Margaret CLYNE, one child married > an OSBORN, another an ALLARDYCE (both Tinamba/Heyfield families) - sorry > for the confusion there. > > There is a headstone in the Maffra Cemetery that reads: > > In memory of Donald WILLIAMSON, who died 11 March 1872 aged 65 years. In > loving memory of William C. ANDERSON, who died 16 March 1876 aged 42 years. > In loving memory of Jane, beloved wife of James WILLIAMSON, who died 5 July > 1913 aged 62 years, also their son Jas died 5 August 1906 aged 24 years. In > loving memory of Barbara, wife of Donald WILLIAMSON, who died 11 November > 1876 aged 68 years. > > [Linda notes - he is William Cunningham ANDERSON - the same year he dies > John and Barbara have a daughter they name Ellen Conynham WILLIAMSON. > ANDERSON'S mother was a CUNNINGHAM] > > The Sale Headstone for Margaret WILLIAMSON nee Clyne/Kline is: > > In loving memory of Margaret WILLIAMSON of Newry, who died Nov 11th 1916 > aged 83 years. A colonist of 59 years. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 08/03/2005

At 07:09 PM 3/08/2005 +1000, Ian wrote: >My records have Margaret CLYNE (my GGG Aunt) m Walter Grieve WILLIAMSON >1859 and their daughter Elizabeth m Greenup OSBORN 1882. This conflicts >with your notes above saying James WILLIAMSON was married to a CLYNE. Can >you clarify? Ooops - and I am starting to go slightly bananas trying to work these all out, and am going to retire from the fray. James WILLIAMSON I quoted from Victoria and its Metropolis. He came from Caithness via the Geelong area to Tinamba. He married Jane McKENZIE. I have a headstone date, but no death registration. John Williamson married a Barbara WILLIAMSON. One or the other of them is a child of Donald Williamson and Barbara Meiklejohn (I think). This group comes from Caithness via Geelong and ended up in Tinamba. But I am now tending towards this being the branch the Glencairn Williamsons come from. And yes, Walter Grieve WILLIAMSON married Margaret CLYNE, one child married an OSBORN, another an ALLARDYCE (both Tinamba/Heyfield families) - sorry for the confusion there. There is a headstone in the Maffra Cemetery that reads: In memory of Donald WILLIAMSON, who died 11 March 1872 aged 65 years. In loving memory of William C. ANDERSON, who died 16 March 1876 aged 42 years. In loving memory of Jane, beloved wife of James WILLIAMSON, who died 5 July 1913 aged 62 years, also their son Jas died 5 August 1906 aged 24 years. In loving memory of Barbara, wife of Donald WILLIAMSON, who died 11 November 1876 aged 68 years. [Linda notes - he is William Cunningham ANDERSON - the same year he dies John and Barbara have a daughter they name Ellen Conynham WILLIAMSON. ANDERSON'S mother was a CUNNINGHAM] The Sale Headstone for Margaret WILLIAMSON nee Clyne/Kline is: In loving memory of Margaret WILLIAMSON of Newry, who died Nov 11th 1916 aged 83 years. A colonist of 59 years. I cannot find a death registration for Walter Grieve WILLIAMSON, but am interested to see the Newry on her headstone - so is she connected to the CLYNEs of Upper Maffra - which is why I always kept in the back of my mind that there was a CLYNE in the WILLIAMSONS - just I had it in the wrong lot of WILLIAMSONS. I am working with notes that are in three different collections, so cannot check some for a week or so - there is an extensive file in the Maffra Library for the WILLIAMSON/CLYNE (with OSBORN/ALLARDYCE branches). However as I don't think these are the WILLIAMSONS that the original enquiry was about (I posted them only for elimination purposes), so am not going to chase them any further unless anyone is interested in those specific families. Regards Linda -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 1/08/2005

Linda, wrt the following: ><cut> >Now, we come to the Williamsons. > >In Victoria and its Metropolis, James Williamson (this is the one >married to the Clyne), says he was born in Caithness and arrived in >Victoria in 1853, and spent first ten years in Geelong, then moved >to Tinamba. > >From various notes I have, as stated one daughter married Greenup >Osborn, another married one of the Allardyces. Now Liz, another son >was David, the unmarried one, who had a hut about the same spot as >the Turpins at north Glenmaggie - also from Geelong, if you >remember, like your Gells. I just hadn't picked up that the >Williamsons were in the Geelong group as well - and now I find you >seem to know them as well. So are the Gells somehow connected to the >Williamsons as well??? My records have Margaret CLYNE (my GGG Aunt) m Walter Grieve WILLIAMSON 1859 and their daughter Elizabeth m Greenup OSBORN 1882. This conflicts with your notes above saying James WILLIAMSON was married to a CLYNE. Can you clarify? Thanks, Ian -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ian and Joanne Smissen [email protected] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi Linda There was a John Williamson who was Exiled to Oz in 1848 aboard the Anna Maria, landed at Pt Henry Geelong. In the book From these Beginnings stats, "John Williamson and William Brearley of Tarraville had a tannery from 1849". Maybe there is a connection to your Williamson Kind Regards Kevin Brearley. Geelong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [AVG] Napper and Williamson > Hi Everyone (especially Carol and Liz D) > > I have given up trying to follow these, but here is a bit more: > > I have already written offlist to Carol about finding Simeon Napper and C > and J Napper in Winnindoo (right on some of the best Heyfield land, near > the station). They appear to have made land freehold in the 1870s and > 1880s. So that puts them out between Heyfield and Cowwarr. > > However, the entry for Charles Napper in Victoria and its Metropolis includes: > > born Somersetshire, arr. 1854 Tasmania, spent six years there, came to > Victoria via Port Albert, remained in South Gippsland for six years, > grazing, farming and butchering with his brother [Linda says - is this > where Simeon fits in?]. In 1866 removed to North Gippsland, purchased land > near Sale. [This is Drayton, at Napper's Corner, which all Sale/Stratford > locals know]. Was councillor on Avon Shire etc. If this is the line in > which you are interested, Drayton is also written up extensively in > Gippsland Estate 1880 9or similar title). > > However I think you are interested in the Simeon line, not the Charles > Napper line - possibly you could confirm. I suspect most of the Napper > information you will be offered will relate to the ones from Drayton, not > the ones from Winnindoo. > > Now, we come to the Williamsons. > > In Victoria and its Metropolis, James Williamson (this is the one married > to the Clyne), says he was born in Caithness and arrived in Victoria in > 1853, and spent first ten years in Geelong, then moved to Tinamba. > > From various notes I have, as stated one daughter married Greenup Osborn, > another married one of the Allardyces. Now Liz, another son was David, the > unmarried one, who had a hut about the same spot as the Turpins at north > Glenmaggie - also from Geelong, if you remember, like your Gells. I just > hadn't picked up that the Williamsons were in the Geelong group as well - > and now I find you seem to know them as well. So are the Gells somehow > connected to the Williamsons as well??? > > (For locals, this group also includes the Williamsons of Glencairn). > > Now, if anyone out there is going blurry-eyed trying to follow all these - > don't worry - it would take me weeks to explain, and hopefully Liz followed > the last bit, and this I think, may confirm for Carol that this Willliamson > group is not her group. > > Cheers > > Linda > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is dedicated to matters Gippslandish - for non-Gippsland enquires, consider subscribing to AUS-VIC >

Hi Linda and All, Somehow my reply managed to be sent from our business email, instead of my personal email. Presumably it bounced when it got to rootsweb as it hasn't appeared on the list. Here it is again: Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hollywood Orders" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] Napper and Williamson > Hi Linda and All, > Now I'm really confused !!! > Simeon had a brother, Charles and I suspect that this is the 'Charles' you > are referring to. (If I'm right, then yes, this is where Simeon fits in). > However, there were a number of Charles' in the family and as I haven't > done a lot of research in this area, I'm not much help. It seems as though > the Napper family felt responsible for populating Somersetshire, if you > get my drift (all of them were born there). > Actually my interest in the family is Simeon's cousin, Charles (yes > another one), who came to Victoria in 1852 aboard the "Bombay", with wife > Sarah. They didn't stay in Victoria long though, as they had a child in > Sydney in 1854. > The Nappers must have all been "tarred with the same brush" as my Charles > was an alderman of Rockdale council and as family stories go, the Nappers > had a lot to do with the development of the Kogarah/Rockdale area here in > Sydney. > > As for the Williamsons (I did follow that bit, thanks Linda), I have very > little information on this lot, as they are a bit too far removed for my > liking. > But, I will add that I think the likelihood of them and the Gells being > connected is very slim. > The Gells are from my husband's paternal line and the Nappers etc are from > his maternal line. > > If it's not too much trouble Linda, could I have a copy of what you sent > Carol, please. You never know, it might help me to understand this lot a > little better. > Cheers, > Liz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Barraclough" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM > Subject: [AVG] Napper and Williamson > > >> Hi Everyone (especially Carol and Liz D) >> >> I have already written offlist to Carol about finding Simeon Napper and C >> and J Napper in Winnindoo >> >> However, the entry for Charles Napper in Victoria and its Metropolis >> includes: >> >> born Somersetshire, arr. 1854 Tasmania, spent six years there, came to >> Victoria via Port Albert, remained in South Gippsland for six years, >> grazing, farming and butchering with his brother [Linda says - is this >> where Simeon fits in?]. >> Was councillor on Avon Shire etc. >> However I think you are interested in the Simeon line, not the Charles >> Napper line - possibly you could confirm. >> >> So are the Gells somehow connected to the Williamsons as well??? >> >> Now, if anyone out there is going blurry-eyed trying to follow all >> these - don't worry - it would take me weeks to explain, and hopefully >> Liz followed the last bit, >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Linda >

Trying to locate information about James Frederick Scanlon, reputed to have married Irene May Brown 2nd November 1894 at Bairnsdale. Also the birth of Frederick James Scanlon who claimed to be their son, born 3rd October 1894 at Korumburra. The marriage and birth are not registered though the birth of Martha Ann Scanlon and Herbert Scanlon are registered. James Frederick said he was from Staffordshire, U.K. Eric Tetlow.

Hi Walter (and Others), The AVG home page does actually have short lists for all Gippsland local govt areas - you can find them at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/Resources/resources.html and I have more detailed pages for East Gippsland at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/Resources/Res-sgs.html and a lesser one for South Gippsland at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/Resources/Res-sgs.html However it really is a case of sticking to the areas that I know, in conjunction with not looking for something to fill in my spare time. What spare time I have is better spent on updating the ones I have, and hoping that someone else will do the areas with which I am less familiar. Cheers Linda At 06:06 PM 2/08/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Linda, > >Why not extend your list to include towns in other Gippsland shires. >S -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 1/08/2005

Hi Linda, Why not extend your list to include towns in other Gippsland shires. S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: [AVG] Changing Town Names > Hi Everyone, > > I thought i had a pretty good list of town and locality names for > Wellington Shire, but have just come up with two (actually three) more. As > part of what I am sorting for Maffra Library/Historical Society I have > come up on a set of old maps (more to come next week, so won't tell the > full story now). > > One map in the 1908 Closer Settlement advertisement for The Heart, near > Sale. It also shows land at Cobains and "Fosterton". The Fosterton would > probably be an attempt to record the Foster association with The Heart > run, but isn't one I have struck before. I don't know if it had any local > currency or use, or was just something Closer Settlement invented to > distinguish the seven properties there. > > The other one is I was looking at a 1926 Parish of Yeerung, and realised > they had named Munro as Lowngerut. I had never heard that one, but went to > David Luxford's "Sap in their Veins", and there is was. The railway > station at Munro started as Yeerung, but was changed to Munro by 1888. > However the town appears to have been originally named Towngerut, and was > changed in the Government Gazette of 1926 to Lowngerut - did someone > notice the mistake as they were re-drawing the 1926 Yeerung Map????? > > The town did not officially become Munro until 1952. I am told there is no > mention of Towngerut/Lowngerut in "Vision and Realisation" (the schools > histories), but must find out about the Post Office. > > Anyone got any others I am missing????? The full list is at: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/Resources/Res-ws.html > > Cheers > > Linda > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is dedicated to matters Gippslandish - for non-Gippsland > enquires, consider subscribing to AUS-VIC >

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:46:37 +1000, Gwen O'Callaghan wrote: >Hi, folks > >>Catherine Williamson, daughter of Ramsey and Susannah was born in >>Yarraville, Vic in 1848, reg. no. 24989. > >Vic BDMs CDs often record events taking place in "Yarraville" instead of >Tarraville, and I believe this is an example. > >Gwen Quite so in this case as being an ECR the full index entry shows it as a baptism Church of England Gippsland_Tarraville. Cheers, Tom <[email protected]> Tom Perrett Proud to be member of Melbourne DPS, first port of call re Victorian research - http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dpsoc

It is still a suburb of Melbourne, Cheers Chris ``````````````````````````````` ,Subject: Re: [AVG] Where is, and what is "Pran"? > I'm sure it is Prahran, and old suburb at the edge of Melbourne city. > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== > In general, the more information you post about a family, the more > information you will get back - you need at least to say where in > Gippsland the family came from, and give an idea of dates.

HELLO LIST, Spot on! Yarraville was a name given to an area still called "Bristol" in 1856, and the name, therefore, did not exist in 1848. Tarraville misread as Yarraville occurs even in Lands Dept indexes... and has sent me on may a wild goose chase for the suburb adjacent to Spotswood on the Yarra near its mouth. Regards Ada At 08:46 02-08-05 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, folks > > >Catherine Williamson, daughter of Ramsey and Susannah was born in > >Yarraville, Vic in 1848, reg. no. 24989. > >Vic BDMs CDs often record events taking place in "Yarraville" instead of >Tarraville, and I believe this is an example. > >Gwen > > >----------------------------------------- >Port Albert Maritime Museum Inc, Tarraville Road, Port Albert 3971, >Victoria, Australia >trading as Gippsland Regional Maritime Museum >http://yarrampa.customer.netspace.net.au/pamm.html > > >==== AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND Mailing List ==== >In general, the more information you post about a family, the more >information you will get back - you need at least to say where in >Gippsland the family came from, and give an idea of dates. > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 01-08-05 regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 01-08-05

Hi Everyone, I thought i had a pretty good list of town and locality names for Wellington Shire, but have just come up with two (actually three) more. As part of what I am sorting for Maffra Library/Historical Society I have come up on a set of old maps (more to come next week, so won't tell the full story now). One map in the 1908 Closer Settlement advertisement for The Heart, near Sale. It also shows land at Cobains and "Fosterton". The Fosterton would probably be an attempt to record the Foster association with The Heart run, but isn't one I have struck before. I don't know if it had any local currency or use, or was just something Closer Settlement invented to distinguish the seven properties there. The other one is I was looking at a 1926 Parish of Yeerung, and realised they had named Munro as Lowngerut. I had never heard that one, but went to David Luxford's "Sap in their Veins", and there is was. The railway station at Munro started as Yeerung, but was changed to Munro by 1888. However the town appears to have been originally named Towngerut, and was changed in the Government Gazette of 1926 to Lowngerut - did someone notice the mistake as they were re-drawing the 1926 Yeerung Map????? The town did not officially become Munro until 1952. I am told there is no mention of Towngerut/Lowngerut in "Vision and Realisation" (the schools histories), but must find out about the Post Office. Anyone got any others I am missing????? The full list is at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVG/Resources/Res-ws.html Cheers Linda -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005

Hi Everyone (especially Carol and Liz D) I have given up trying to follow these, but here is a bit more: I have already written offlist to Carol about finding Simeon Napper and C and J Napper in Winnindoo (right on some of the best Heyfield land, near the station). They appear to have made land freehold in the 1870s and 1880s. So that puts them out between Heyfield and Cowwarr. However, the entry for Charles Napper in Victoria and its Metropolis includes: born Somersetshire, arr. 1854 Tasmania, spent six years there, came to Victoria via Port Albert, remained in South Gippsland for six years, grazing, farming and butchering with his brother [Linda says - is this where Simeon fits in?]. In 1866 removed to North Gippsland, purchased land near Sale. [This is Drayton, at Napper's Corner, which all Sale/Stratford locals know]. Was councillor on Avon Shire etc. If this is the line in which you are interested, Drayton is also written up extensively in Gippsland Estate 1880 9or similar title). However I think you are interested in the Simeon line, not the Charles Napper line - possibly you could confirm. I suspect most of the Napper information you will be offered will relate to the ones from Drayton, not the ones from Winnindoo. Now, we come to the Williamsons. In Victoria and its Metropolis, James Williamson (this is the one married to the Clyne), says he was born in Caithness and arrived in Victoria in 1853, and spent first ten years in Geelong, then moved to Tinamba. From various notes I have, as stated one daughter married Greenup Osborn, another married one of the Allardyces. Now Liz, another son was David, the unmarried one, who had a hut about the same spot as the Turpins at north Glenmaggie - also from Geelong, if you remember, like your Gells. I just hadn't picked up that the Williamsons were in the Geelong group as well - and now I find you seem to know them as well. So are the Gells somehow connected to the Williamsons as well??? (For locals, this group also includes the Williamsons of Glencairn). Now, if anyone out there is going blurry-eyed trying to follow all these - don't worry - it would take me weeks to explain, and hopefully Liz followed the last bit, and this I think, may confirm for Carol that this Willliamson group is not her group. Cheers Linda -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005

Hi, folks >Catherine Williamson, daughter of Ramsey and Susannah was born in >Yarraville, Vic in 1848, reg. no. 24989. Vic BDMs CDs often record events taking place in "Yarraville" instead of Tarraville, and I believe this is an example. Gwen ----------------------------------------- Port Albert Maritime Museum Inc, Tarraville Road, Port Albert 3971, Victoria, Australia trading as Gippsland Regional Maritime Museum http://yarrampa.customer.netspace.net.au/pamm.html

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> ------------Original Message------------ > From: "Carol" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, Aug-1-2005 5:34 PM > Subject: [AVG] Where is, and what is "Pran"? > > Dear all, > Another query here: one of the death registrations Deborah sent me, for > a Williamson buried in the Sale cemetery, states that she died in > 'Pran". Is that in Gippsland, or is it an abbreviation for Prahan? > Thanks, > Carol. > > Hi. Probably Prahran. Alfred Hospital is in Comercial Rd Prahran -- Regards Laurence E Stephenson Stephenson to Australia:- users.bigpond.net.au/steppayne Researching:- Butcher...........Stroud, Gloucestershire, England................>1856 Fortune...........Berwickshire, Scotland..............................>1858 Garlick............Liverpool, Lancashire, England..................>1863 Mee................Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland (Palatine)............>1884 Payne.............Washingborough, Lincolnshire, England......>1863 Ritchie............Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, Scotland...............>1860 Stephenson.....Pickering, Yorkshire, England ...................>1856 Wittick..........(Convict) Walsall,Staffordshire,England.......>1822

I'm sure it is Prahran, and old suburb at the edge of Melbourne city.

Dear all, Another query here: one of the death registrations Deborah sent me, for a Williamson buried in the Sale cemetery, states that she died in 'Pran". Is that in Gippsland, or is it an abbreviation for Prahan? Thanks, Carol.

Hi Carol The bare info I have is Walter Williamson m Margaret Clyne Their daughter Elizabeth married Greenup Osborn in 1881. Regards Lesley Thanks Lesley, That's helped somewhat, as the name 'Walter' doesn't (yet) seem to fit with the family of 'my' Williamsons. I'll keep your information, naturally enough: Walter may well turn out to be mine after all. Best wishes, Carol.