Could any one please advise the cost of this book that is to be released as I have family in Sale Thanks Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Naomi" <nmc50246@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: [AVG] Sale & District Pre 1900 Pioneer Index > Sale & District Family History Group Pre 1900 Pioneer Index Book Launch. > The book consists of over 500 pages of data with some photos included. > All families who were born or settled in Sale & District pre 1900 are > included. > > WHEN: Saturday October 27, 2007 > TIME: 2.30 pm > WHERE: Wellington Shire Library, Macalister St Sale > CONTACT: saledistfhg@gmail.com > > ALL WELCOME TO ATTEND > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Hi Everyone, The post about the long-awaited Sale and District Pioneer Index reminds me that yesterday I received my copy of Clonmel to Federation: Guide to People in the Port Albert area 1841-1901. This is a two volume, 754 page compilation (A4 pages, dense print) of notes about people from the Gippsland area that is much wider than Port Albert. For example, I have found two prominent families from Glenmaggie and Stratford well-documented in there at the first glance. It is drawn from newspapers, B,D&Ms, directories, local histories and less easily-accessible records - rate books, school records, church records, cemetery records etc. It even includes details of people enquiring about families. The notes mainly point to further information - it is more an index to sources than anything else. This is a huge and wonderful work by Gwen O'Callaghan and her team, and they are to be congratulated. As a minimum, every family history group in Gippsland should be getting one, and maybe you should go to your local library and agitate for them to get copies too. Family history groups elsewhere in Victoria should also find it useful. So this, with the Sale Pioneer Register coming out soon, raises the question of should lookups be offered onlist. So I thought I should get in first. Groups such as the Gippsland Maritime Museum and Sale Family History Group have outlaid a lot of money and time in this process, and offering lookups is unfair if extensive details are given out, on or off list. It is also a breach of copyright if the entry is transmitted verbatim, on or off list. There is no copyright on facts, but there is on the form in which it is expressed - ie the exact words. So I am quite prepared to tell people, if I am asked offlist, if their family is included in the book. I may even give them some idea how much information is there. But that is all. You can e-mail me at kapana@netspace.net.au So, in the meantime, hie yourself off to your local library, family history group or historical society, and convince them that this is an essential reference. For details of availability, contact Gwen O'Callaghan on gwenoc@netspace.net.au Cheers Linda With hat on as List-admin AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND, just to show I am serious about the copyright / lookup stuff. Please play fair for the Port Albert and Sale people.

Sale & District Family History Group Inc now have their own email address Please send all email relating to the group to saledistfhg@gmail.com Our address is 78 Macalister St Sale. We are open: Tuesday 1.00 pm - 4.00 pm & Friday 10am - 4.00 pm. 1st Saturday from 1.00 pm.

Sale & District Family History Group Pre 1900 Pioneer Index Book Launch. The book consists of over 500 pages of data with some photos included. All families who were born or settled in Sale & District pre 1900 are included. WHEN: Saturday October 27, 2007 TIME: 2.30 pm WHERE: Wellington Shire Library, Macalister St Sale CONTACT: saledistfhg@gmail.com ALL WELCOME TO ATTEND

Hi Heather Cunningham is the old name for LAKES ENTRANCE Robyn > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:46:43 +1000 > From: "heather" <heather@otp.com.au> > Subject: [AVG] the place Cunningham > To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000d01c80713$1c37ef60$0a01010a@frontend> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Can somebody please tell me where Cunningham is? > > I have found it on birth records dated 1890. > > Is it another name for Sale? > > Heather Coleman -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1083 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I've got a box on hold at the PROV (VPRS 937/P0000/229) that contains general police correspondence from various Gippsland police stations in 1864 and 65. I've got to go back and photograph the pages I'm interested in, probably next Friday or Saturday. If anyone would like me to do a quick check of this box for them let me know. Examples of what's in this box: Requests for supplies for police stations. Requests for police stations to be established at various places. Information about rewards to police officers. Investigations into police misconduct. Missing persons info Fate of the personal effects of people who died with no relatives Some information can be found regarding criminal cases where they are mentioned in relation to another matter, eg a reward or misconduct of a police officer. Also, if anyone is interested in Constable (Eaphrim?) Irwin of Mt Pleasant (Grant), or Frederick Friend, Henry Cross, William Henry Martin or William Thomas all of Crooked River, let me know Cheers, Wendy

Hullo Wendy Yes yes yes!! I am interested in Frederick Friend. Where is Crooked River? Would love to hear from you. Philippa SA -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Di Tirro Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2007 10:51 AM To: AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [AVG] Gippsland Police Correspondence 1864/5 I've got a box on hold at the PROV (VPRS 937/P0000/229) that contains general police correspondence from various Gippsland police stations in 1864 and 65. I've got to go back and photograph the pages I'm interested in, probably next Friday or Saturday. If anyone would like me to do a quick check of this box for them let me know. Examples of what's in this box: Requests for supplies for police stations. Requests for police stations to be established at various places. Information about rewards to police officers. Investigations into police misconduct. Missing persons info Fate of the personal effects of people who died with no relatives Some information can be found regarding criminal cases where they are mentioned in relation to another matter, eg a reward or misconduct of a police officer. Also, if anyone is interested in Constable (Eaphrim?) Irwin of Mt Pleasant (Grant), or Frederick Friend, Henry Cross, William Henry Martin or William Thomas all of Crooked River, let me know Cheers, Wendy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All, >From Don Watson's 'Caledonia Australis': 'Another member of the Irish ascendancy called William Montgomery...settled on land adjoining Thomsons's Clydebank and stretching to Lake Wellington....The station he managed was called The Heart, perhaps because it was the heart of Gippsland, perhaps because it was there that a band of squatters believed they found a heart drawn upon the ground just after they scattered a group of Aborigines.' Cheers Elizabeth SA

Thanks for that, Heather Coleman

It's Lakes Entrance, Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "heather" <heather@otp.com.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: [AVG] the place Cunningham > Can somebody please tell me where Cunningham is? > > I have found it on birth records dated 1890. > > Is it another name for Sale? > > > > > > Heather Coleman > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can somebody please tell me where Cunningham is? I have found it on birth records dated 1890. Is it another name for Sale? Heather Coleman

Thanks Anne, funny that mine has no date - I know it was the first edition. Cheers Philippa -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Napier Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 1:02 PM To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVG] The Heart Philippa, Inside the back cover of my copy of the original book, it says it was printed by James Yeates & Sons, Bairnsdale, Nov 1965, Aug 1966, Oct 1968 and Jun 1972. According to the Introduction in the new version, the original book was compiled in 1965. Regards - Anne ========================================================= -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philippa Cooper Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 12:53 PM To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVG] The Heart Mention of the Heart prompted me to look up my early edition of Is Emu on the Menu only to find it didn't have anything about the Heart at all. And the other thing was, it has no date of publication either! Does anyone know when it was published? It would have been in the mid sixties I think. Cheers Philippa in Adelaide ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was before the school amalgamation that was about 1971. It was maybe 1969 Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippa Cooper" <pkcooper@aapt.net.au> To: <aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [AVG] The Heart > Mention of the Heart prompted me to look up my early edition of Is Emu on > the Menu only to find it didn't have anything about the Heart at all. > And > the other thing was, it has no date of publication either! Does anyone > know > when it was published? It would have been in the mid sixties I think. > Cheers > Philippa in Adelaide > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Napier > Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 9:06 AM > To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AVG] The Heart > > Hi Marion > > I think it's both. There is a very early property called "The Heart" > (c1850s) and I believe the general area is also known as that too. The > following extract is from > "Is Emu Off The Menu?" by Gippsland Grammar Foundation, 2007: > > "The property known as 'The Heart' was first selected by Curlewis. It > received its name from a heart carved on a tree where the old station > homestead stood. The 1856 electoral roll indicates the property was owned > by John Foster and he was running 4,000 sheep at the time. William > Montgomery was well-known in the district as the manager of 'The Heart' > and > the home built for him on the property was the first brick residence in > Sale, built towards the end of the 1870s. Montgomery purchased the > propety > in 1876 and left Sale in 1886. > > The property was leased in the 1890s to James Lyon and Atkinson who bred > horses for India. Fred Gilder owned the property in the late 1890s, and > in > 1906 Robert Gilder and his wife were living at the homestead, and their > child died there. > > In 1908 the Closer Settlement Board bought the Heart Estate from absentee > landlord Major Henry Foster whol lived in Tasmania. It was subdivided > into > small dairy farms to supply the Sale Butter Factory with milk. The > homestead farm was owned by Sarah Finegan, wife of the mayor, Philip > Finegan, who died at 'The Heart' around 1930 and the family sold the > property." > > I trust this helps you sort out your query. > > The Heart is between Sale and Lake Wellington, due east of Sale. > > Regards - Anne > > ========================================================= > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marion Kelly > Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 8:06 AM > To: Gippsland List > Subject: [AVG] The Heart > > Hi all, > The family of Denis O'Brien and Mary Egan, lived at "The Heart". I > thought this was a property name but John and Bridget Frawley also > lived at "The Heart". 1860s, 70s. Births and deaths in Sale area, > Sale Cemetery. So I assume it is near Sale. > Is it an area or property name? > Thanks, > Marion. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Philippa, Inside the back cover of my copy of the original book, it says it was printed by James Yeates & Sons, Bairnsdale, Nov 1965, Aug 1966, Oct 1968 and Jun 1972. According to the Introduction in the new version, the original book was compiled in 1965. Regards - Anne ========================================================= -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philippa Cooper Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 12:53 PM To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVG] The Heart Mention of the Heart prompted me to look up my early edition of Is Emu on the Menu only to find it didn't have anything about the Heart at all. And the other thing was, it has no date of publication either! Does anyone know when it was published? It would have been in the mid sixties I think. Cheers Philippa in Adelaide

Mention of the Heart prompted me to look up my early edition of Is Emu on the Menu only to find it didn't have anything about the Heart at all. And the other thing was, it has no date of publication either! Does anyone know when it was published? It would have been in the mid sixties I think. Cheers Philippa in Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Napier Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 9:06 AM To: aus-vic-gippsland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVG] The Heart Hi Marion I think it's both. There is a very early property called "The Heart" (c1850s) and I believe the general area is also known as that too. The following extract is from "Is Emu Off The Menu?" by Gippsland Grammar Foundation, 2007: "The property known as 'The Heart' was first selected by Curlewis. It received its name from a heart carved on a tree where the old station homestead stood. The 1856 electoral roll indicates the property was owned by John Foster and he was running 4,000 sheep at the time. William Montgomery was well-known in the district as the manager of 'The Heart' and the home built for him on the property was the first brick residence in Sale, built towards the end of the 1870s. Montgomery purchased the propety in 1876 and left Sale in 1886. The property was leased in the 1890s to James Lyon and Atkinson who bred horses for India. Fred Gilder owned the property in the late 1890s, and in 1906 Robert Gilder and his wife were living at the homestead, and their child died there. In 1908 the Closer Settlement Board bought the Heart Estate from absentee landlord Major Henry Foster whol lived in Tasmania. It was subdivided into small dairy farms to supply the Sale Butter Factory with milk. The homestead farm was owned by Sarah Finegan, wife of the mayor, Philip Finegan, who died at 'The Heart' around 1930 and the family sold the property." I trust this helps you sort out your query. The Heart is between Sale and Lake Wellington, due east of Sale. Regards - Anne ========================================================= -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marion Kelly Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 8:06 AM To: Gippsland List Subject: [AVG] The Heart Hi all, The family of Denis O'Brien and Mary Egan, lived at "The Heart". I thought this was a property name but John and Bridget Frawley also lived at "The Heart". 1860s, 70s. Births and deaths in Sale area, Sale Cemetery. So I assume it is near Sale. Is it an area or property name? Thanks, Marion. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GIPPSLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marion I think it's both. There is a very early property called "The Heart" (c1850s) and I believe the general area is also known as that too. The following extract is from "Is Emu Off The Menu?" by Gippsland Grammar Foundation, 2007: "The property known as 'The Heart' was first selected by Curlewis. It received its name from a heart carved on a tree where the old station homestead stood. The 1856 electoral roll indicates the property was owned by John Foster and he was running 4,000 sheep at the time. William Montgomery was well-known in the district as the manager of 'The Heart' and the home built for him on the property was the first brick residence in Sale, built towards the end of the 1870s. Montgomery purchased the propety in 1876 and left Sale in 1886. The property was leased in the 1890s to James Lyon and Atkinson who bred horses for India. Fred Gilder owned the property in the late 1890s, and in 1906 Robert Gilder and his wife were living at the homestead, and their child died there. In 1908 the Closer Settlement Board bought the Heart Estate from absentee landlord Major Henry Foster whol lived in Tasmania. It was subdivided into small dairy farms to supply the Sale Butter Factory with milk. The homestead farm was owned by Sarah Finegan, wife of the mayor, Philip Finegan, who died at 'The Heart' around 1930 and the family sold the property." I trust this helps you sort out your query. The Heart is between Sale and Lake Wellington, due east of Sale. Regards - Anne ========================================================= -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-gippsland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marion Kelly Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 8:06 AM To: Gippsland List Subject: [AVG] The Heart Hi all, The family of Denis O'Brien and Mary Egan, lived at "The Heart". I thought this was a property name but John and Bridget Frawley also lived at "The Heart". 1860s, 70s. Births and deaths in Sale area, Sale Cemetery. So I assume it is near Sale. Is it an area or property name? Thanks, Marion.

Hi all, The family of Denis O'Brien and Mary Egan, lived at "The Heart". I thought this was a property name but John and Bridget Frawley also lived at "The Heart". 1860s, 70s. Births and deaths in Sale area, Sale Cemetery. So I assume it is near Sale. Is it an area or property name? Thanks, Marion.

Hi Everyone, There may be some on this list that do not know about 'Provenance'. I am particularly forwarding this announcement as there are articles in it about Mallacoota in far East Gippsland, and Loch in South Gippsland. Regards Linda >'Provenance' is the free scholarly journal of Public Record Office Victoria >(PROV), the Victorian state archives. 'Provenance' features peer-reviewed >articles, and other contributions, that present reseach drawing upon >records in PROV custody. > >Issue no. 7 (September 2007) is now available at: > ><http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/provenance/> > > >This year's issue contains the following contributions: > >* Lee-Ann Monk presents a case study of reports of patient abuse at Kew >Asylum; > >* Valerie Lovejoy examines the lives of Chinese miners on the Bendigo >goldfield from 1854-1865; > >* Benjamin Mountford and Keir Reeves present a case study of Chinese gold >seekers in the central Victorian goldfields; > >* Sarah Mirams explores the remote community of Mallacoota in the early >twentieth century through the prism of education and school records; > >* Lyn Payne explores the efforts of the Loch community to secure a school >for their town; > >* Peter Andrew Barrett reminds us about another stockade from Victoria's >early history, the Collingwood stockade; > >* Cate Elkner reports on the digitisation of a truly unique record from >PROV's collection - a 4.5 x 6 metre map of Victoria; > >* Jan Croggon explains how Sovereign Hill historians have used public >records to re-create the goldfields town; > >* Abigail Belfrage takes a figurative stroll along the Merri Creek, >exploring and interpreting the landscape through a variety of records held >by PROV; > >* Sonia Jennings explores the connection between land ownership and the >right to vote in nineteenth century Victoria; > >* Alain Hosking researches the capital case file of John Hassett, who was >wrongfully convicted for the severe bashing of Constable Albert Ernest >Vizard in the seedy streets of Carlton in 1889; and > >* Noni Dowling researches criminal trial briefs and capital case files >relating to Frederick Jordan, a member of Port Melbourne's small >African-American community in the late 1800s. > >If you are interested in submitting an article for future issues or would >like to receive an email reminder when each issue is published online, >please contact the Editor, Sebastian Gurciullo by phone on (03) 9348 5600; >or email <provenance@prov.vic.gov.au>

Hi Julie, Thank you for the entries. Evidence shows that Alfred Delamore BROWNE and Rachel GLEN had three children - Frederick William 1882 & Annie Margaret Delamore 1885 both born in Vic and Edward Alexander 1894 born in W.A. It is a mystery as to why Fred's birth certificate shows his mother's name as Mabel. The W.A. certificate for Edward shows the mother's maiden surname as GLYNN, which was amended to GLEN in 1917 by a mystery informant named Margaret N. Curiouser and curiouser! Walter

Hi Walter Not sure if you need this as well.Rachel also goes by the name of Mabel. marriage and two births for you. Surname: BROWNEGiven Names: Alfred DelamoreEvent: MSpouse Surname/Father: GLENSpouse Gvn Names/Mother: RachelAge: Sex: MBirth Place: CALCUTTADeath Place: Year: 1881Reg Number: 411Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: BROWNEGiven Names: Frederick WilliamEvent: BSpouse Surname/Father: Alfred DelamoreSpouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mabel GLENAge: Sex: Birth Place: BALLARAT EASTDeath Place: Year: 1882Reg Number: 13496Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: BROWNEGiven Names: Frederick WilliamEvent: BSpouse Surname/Father: Alfred DelamorSpouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mabel GLENAge: Sex: Birth Place: Death Place: Year: 1882Reg Number: 25880X1929Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: BROWNEGiven Names: Annie Margt DelamoreEvent: BSpouse Surname/Father: Alfred DelamorSpouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel GLENAge: Sex: Birth Place: MELBDeath Place: Year: 1885Reg Number: 13656Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Julie N _________________________________________________________________ Win Dad the Footy Final with Cadbury Favourites! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fbs%2Eserving%2Dsys%2Ecom%2FBurstingPipe%2FadServer%2Ebs%3Fcn%3Dtf%26c%3D20%26mc%3Dclick%26pli%3D243221%26pi%3D0%26ord%3D%25%25RANDOM%25%25&_t=765445318&_r=hotmail_email_tagline_Aug07_Cadburys&_m=EXT