Hi Don, can you tell us a bit about your grandfather. What did he do...did you find HIS grave along with all others. robyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Croydon formerly - [GEELONG] KINNEAR - > Further to Robyn's info about Croydon - > Chris Weirman's phone is 0747456125 > and he can be reached by email at - > croydonifo@bigpond.com > > We were up there in August; my grandparents were there from about 1888 to > 1908. My father was born there. > Don Watson > (also in Toowoomba) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Shaw" <mrshaw@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:15 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] KINNEAR > > > > Croydon, for those not in the know, is in the top end of far north Qld. > The > > locals and council have updated the place and in town it looks very nice. > > Local tourist officer, Chris Weirman, is a fund of knowledge. > > > > Sadly, around 1888, dunno about earlier, there were heaps of people > looking > > for gold there. Mostly slightly out of town. The water was dreadful and > > the sanitation even worse so it seems. People died like flies. Guess the > > Irish survived by not drinking water! > > > > Well, my great grandfather did until 1888 when he died of 'local disease', > > dropsy, and other dreadful things. He left a large family, didn't they > all, > > and his wife. The couple ran the local hotel at Mulligan's Camp, out of > > town. After her husband died, and then her son, she came to town and ran > > another hotel. With all those kids! > > > > Anyway, eventually she came to Brisbane and lived with her daughter > Cecilia > > Gamble, and died at the ripe old age of about 84 I think from memory. > > > > I tramped over many grave sites, found an Irish cross fallen over, flooded > > and looking dreadful. Could not deciper the name of the person, so > > 'assumed' it was my great grandfather. Best I could do. Well, it COULD > be > > his...........er.....er.... > > > > Because of the hot weather, lack of preservation, people were buried not > far > > from where they died. I am sure he is buried on a property, with about 30 > > others, at a local area, but cannot have access to them all as the man who > > owns it does not let people in. > > > > Story goes that he purchased the place, knowing the graves were there, and > > was not supposed to 'fence them in', e.g. he was to make the fence do a > dog > > leg, but of course, he didn't. How can people 'buy' consecrated ground?? > > Then not let the rellies go there?? Dunno. > > > > I am sure if he had to do without the small area where the graves are, and > > had access to them available, it would not affect his monetary return from > > the property. He has thousands of other acres. It is not god's own > > country. It is dry and rocky and I am sure he would not miss the few > acres, > > but........... > > > > Sorry I cannot tell anyone about other goldfields. Chris Weirman is the > > man. There were heaps of goldfields, heaps of immigrants, all round > > Croydon. If anyone wants to contact Chris, ring the local council and ask > > for his email. > > > > robyn shaw. toowoomba.qld. (the bottom end of Qld!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Edwards" <edwslsj@alphalink.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] KINNEAR > > > > > > > Robyn did you by any chance go near the Gibberton Goldfields not far > from > > > croydon? > > > We have someone who died there in 1869 would be interested if anything > is > > > left at all? > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robyn Shaw <mrshaw@bigpond.com> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] KINNEAR > > > > > > > > > > Don't live in hope with the burial ground. > > > > I drove from Toowoomba, near Brisbane, to Croydon in far north Qld to > > find > > > > my great grandfathers grave. > > > > > > > > Found afghan camel drivers, chinese gold miners, but no great > > grandfather. > > > > He died in 1888. Local publican. Left a wife and a tribe of kids. > > > > > > > > Many people died up there and now some of the places where they were > > > buried > > > > as now fenced of and private property. You cannot get to them. > > > > > > > > Had similar trouble with Grong Grong. Floods, cattle stamping over > > them, > > > > more floods (cemeteries are always put on awful ground to keep the > best > > > for > > > > grazing). > > > > > > > > Maybe you need to ask a bit more to verify that you can even get to > the > > > > supposed place of burial. robyndehood. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Eve Anderson" <eanderson@bigfoot.com.au> > > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:20 PM > > > > Subject: [GEELONG] KINNEAR > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello List, > > > > > I am a new subscriber from W.A.and am looking to find > when > > > and > > > > where and on which vessel my GGrandfather Robert Hill Kinnear and his > > wife > > > > Rosalie Magdalene Catherine and their two children arrived in > Australia > > in > > > > 1852. I have had no luck with passenger lists. I have records from > > > Pioneers > > > > of Pt. Phillip (i know he came out from Scotland in 1839 and returned > in > > > > 1844. He took up land on the Mooroobool 1840-41) Married in Dundee > 1847. > > > > Sold their farm in Corston (Scotland) June/July 1851, (I have an > > original > > > > poster for the "Finishing Sale" dated 8th July 1851 in Corston). Their > > > > second child, month old Robert Shiell Kinnear was christened in > Scotland > > > on > > > > 27th Oct 1851 and their little 4 year old daughter Rosalie Korn > Kinnear > > > died > > > > on the property "Ballanee" (4 miles north of Ballan, Vic on 14th Sep > > 1852 > > > > (no death reg. for her on the indexes only an entry in the family > Bible > > I > > > > have) and I have this obsession to find where she is buried so I can > > visit > > > > her grave next year w! > > > > > hen we go across to Vic. They had to have left after the end Oct > 1851 > > > and > > > > arrived before he took up "Ballenee" (as it was spelt then) in July > > 1852. > > > > > I know it's a big ask, but I am hoping some of the historians who > are > > > more > > > > into this sort of thing than me, may be able to help me or give me > some > > > > clues as to what to do. > > > > > My family motto is "I Live in Hope" above crossed anchors, so here's > > > > hoping. > > > > > Eve Anderson (nee Kinnear) W.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > > > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > > > > > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > Geelong Family History Group : > > > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm >

Hi Robyn No, not this time - fortunately that is one cemetery I don't have to look in. It tugs a bit at the heartstrings to see the rusty frames of the cots which they used to mark the children's graves, doesn't it? He was with Bank of New South Wales, and was transferred from Brisbane to Georgetown in 1887, and on to Croydon. Next was Cooktown and Port Douglas and then back to Croydon as Manager in 1893, by which time he was married. They were there until 1901, when he was transferred to Sydney, but the culture shock must have been a bit much as he resigned and went back to Croydon. He was as a commission agent and valuer, and director of one of the mines - the Golden Gate - until about 1908 when the family moved firstly to Brisbane, where he was employed by the Lands Dept, then to Wallumbilla, Roma and finally here in Toowoomba abt 1919 as Western Lands Commissioner. He and Gran are both buried here. What was your ggf's name? I presume you bought a copy of "Croydon Gold" from the Information Office. and I suppose any continuation of this had better be 'offlist' as it does not relate to Geelong. Don Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <mrshaw@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:05 AM Subject: Re: Croydon formerly - [GEELONG] KINNEAR - > Hi Don, can you tell us a bit about your grandfather. What did he do...did > you find HIS grave along with all others. robyn. > ----- Original Message ----- >