G'day Alwynne, Pre 1850 Victoria was still part of NSW & they still hold many records including some BDMs & Immigration. I did a quick search online for you at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/immigration/indexpphillip/search.asp and found the following:- Assisted immigrants arriving at Port Phillip, 1839-51 Query: Surname(%Shan%sy), FirstName(%) Surname Firstname Vessel Year Reel Record Item O'SHANNESSY John and Mary New Liverpool 1849 2144 4/4816, p.339 From the NSW BDM site http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm (Last 4 digits of reg# =year & V prefix (usually) = Vic). Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) V18571786 142A/1857 O`SHANESSY PATRICK J JOHN MARY V18605412 142B/1860 SHANNESSY MARY A JOHN MARY A And from the Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Surname: OSHANNESSY Given Names: Mary Ann Event: D Sex: F Spouse Surname/Father: Liddel Jno Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Phoebe UNKNOWN Age: 69 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Glong Year: 1891 Reg. Number: 6251 Might be of some help? Cheers... Pat.. At 4/01/2004 Sunday12:19 AM, you wrote: >Dear Linda, >If only I knew the answers to those questions! >I wouldn't put it past him to have changed his name, but unfortunately I >don't know who his parents were. On the birth certificates for his children >he gives his birth place as Ballinrobe, County Mayo, Ireland. The Church of >Ireland parish register is in the church Library in Dublin, and I had a >researcher look for bdms of that name. None! Ironically, I had the same >experience looking for his wife's birth. Her name was Mary Ann Sidell, born >Lynn, Norfolk, but again, nothing in any of the parish registers for Lynn. >Sshe is buried in the Eastern Cemetery in the very large Scott grave - and I >can't find any connection with the Scott family. Her husband isn't in any of >the Geelong district cemeteries. >The two were married at St Paul's, Melbourne, in 1854 (according to the >childrens' birth certificates) - but again, no record of in Vic BDMs nor in >the St Paul's register - nor in any other St Pauls in the Geelong/Melb area! >To add to the dismal story, the child born in 1865 (Alfred Currie >O'Shannassy) is not in Vic BDM. His death certificate says he was born in >Geelong, but I haven't found him in any parish registers. His death >certificate gives his father as John Martin O'Shannassy - but whether that >is so is in question. >I have searched for connections between Currie and Sidell and O'Shannassy, >but have found none. >So, I am stumped! >The only other thing I know is that there was a story in the family that he >died "somewhere in the China Sea", and that he might have been a seaman - >possibly before his arrival in Australia, or even after he shot through when >his business failed. I have searched for the arrival in Aust for both he and >his wife, again, unsuccessfully. >I suppose everyone has someone like this pair in their families, but truly, >I am driven to desperation by them! >Cheers, >Alwynne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Edwards" <edwslsj@alphalink.com.au> >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:08 AM >Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > Alwynne, > > sounds to me like he may have changed his name if he was on the run so to > > speak from his debtors. What was his mothers name? or his wifes he may >have > > used that or just taken one he fancied. > > Do you know his parents I could try a Vital records search on them > > possibly.? where is the wife buried? he could be there also. > > I assume you have the 1865 childs birth cert. It usually gives the fathers > > occupation too and who was the informant. Of course 1859, he may have >taken > > off for the goldfields to redeem himself too. > > good luck > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp >http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia
Dear Pat, Many thanks for that. The birth you quote is indeed one of mine, even though the mother's name is given as Lidell instead of Sidell. This is a transcription error which frequently occurred. I am in two minds about the shipping item. If it is them, then either they were married before they came to Australia - in which case why put St Pauls Melbourne, 1854 as the date of marriage? Or, on the other hand, perhaps they met outside Aust and travelled as man and wife. Unfortunately both John O'Shannassy and Mary Ann are not uncommon names, so it's hard to tell. If they weren't actually married at all, I wonder why not, seeing that they had 4 or 5 children? Many puzzles! With thanks, Alwynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick O'Sullivan" <pat@ozonline.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > G'day Alwynne, > Pre 1850 Victoria was still part of NSW & they still hold many records > including some BDMs & Immigration. > I did a quick search online for you at > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/immigration/indexpphillip/search.asp > and found the following:- > > Assisted immigrants arriving at Port Phillip, 1839-51 > > Query: Surname(%Shan%sy), FirstName(%) > Surname Firstname Vessel Year Reel Record > Item > O'SHANNESSY John and Mary New Liverpool 1849 2144 4/4816, p.339 > From the NSW BDM site http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm > (Last 4 digits of reg# =year & V prefix (usually) = Vic). > > Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given > Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) > V18571786 142A/1857 O`SHANESSY PATRICK > J JOHN MARY > V18605412 142B/1860 SHANNESSY MARY > A JOHN MARY A > > And from the Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 > Surname: OSHANNESSY > Given Names: Mary Ann > Event: D > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Liddel Jno > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Phoebe UNKNOWN > Age: 69 > Age Code: > Birth Place: > Death Place: Glong > Year: 1891 > Reg. Number: 6251 > > > Might be of some help? > Cheers... > Pat.. > > > At 4/01/2004 Sunday12:19 AM, you wrote: > >Dear Linda, > >If only I knew the answers to those questions! > >I wouldn't put it past him to have changed his name, but unfortunately I > >don't know who his parents were. On the birth certificates for his children > >he gives his birth place as Ballinrobe, County Mayo, Ireland. The Church of > >Ireland parish register is in the church Library in Dublin, and I had a > >researcher look for bdms of that name. None! Ironically, I had the same > >experience looking for his wife's birth. Her name was Mary Ann Sidell, born > >Lynn, Norfolk, but again, nothing in any of the parish registers for Lynn. > >Sshe is buried in the Eastern Cemetery in the very large Scott grave - and I > >can't find any connection with the Scott family. Her husband isn't in any of > >the Geelong district cemeteries. > >The two were married at St Paul's, Melbourne, in 1854 (according to the > >childrens' birth certificates) - but again, no record of in Vic BDMs nor in > >the St Paul's register - nor in any other St Pauls in the Geelong/Melb area! > >To add to the dismal story, the child born in 1865 (Alfred Currie > >O'Shannassy) is not in Vic BDM. His death certificate says he was born in > >Geelong, but I haven't found him in any parish registers. His death > >certificate gives his father as John Martin O'Shannassy - but whether that > >is so is in question. > >I have searched for connections between Currie and Sidell and O'Shannassy, > >but have found none. > >So, I am stumped! > >The only other thing I know is that there was a story in the family that he > >died "somewhere in the China Sea", and that he might have been a seaman - > >possibly before his arrival in Australia, or even after he shot through when > >his business failed. I have searched for the arrival in Aust for both he and > >his wife, again, unsuccessfully. > >I suppose everyone has someone like this pair in their families, but truly, > >I am driven to desperation by them! > >Cheers, > >Alwynne > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Linda Edwards" <edwslsj@alphalink.com.au> > >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:08 AM > >Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > Alwynne, > > > sounds to me like he may have changed his name if he was on the run so to > > > speak from his debtors. What was his mothers name? or his wifes he may > >have > > > used that or just taken one he fancied. > > > Do you know his parents I could try a Vital records search on them > > > possibly.? where is the wife buried? he could be there also. > > > I assume you have the 1865 childs birth cert. It usually gives the fathers > > > occupation too and who was the informant. Of course 1859, he may have > >taken > > > off for the goldfields to redeem himself too. > > > good luck > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > >Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > >http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp > > pat@ozonline.com.au > www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) > ICQ# 17057235 > PO Box 65A > Armadale, 3143 > Victoria, Australia > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp > > > >
G'day Alwynne, He's beginning to sound like one of mine.. Dr Robert John Stuart-Robertson, married 6 times (that I know of) in Australia in 3 different states, 2 of the marriages at the same time so he got done for bigamy in NSW (the 2nd wife of that case, married 3 times but had 2 children by him before they got married!). He was well known for telling "porkies", had several different aliases, served time in NSW, SA & Q'ld for passing bad cheques. He was also charged with malpractice (accelerating a death) in Victoria.. No wonder his son became a politician & a member of the NSW Parliament! Cheers... Pat... At 5/01/2004 Monday08:22 PM, you wrote: >Dear Pat, >Many thanks for that. >The birth you quote is indeed one of mine, even though the mother's name is >given as Lidell instead of Sidell. This is a transcription error which >frequently occurred. >I am in two minds about the shipping item. If it is them, then either they >were married before they came to Australia - in which case why put St Pauls >Melbourne, 1854 as the date of marriage? Or, on the other hand, perhaps they >met outside Aust and travelled as man and wife. Unfortunately both John >O'Shannassy and Mary Ann are not uncommon names, so it's hard to tell. If >they weren't actually married at all, I wonder why not, seeing that they had >4 or 5 children? >Many puzzles! >With thanks, >Alwynne >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Patrick O'Sullivan" <pat@ozonline.com.au> >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:35 AM >Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > G'day Alwynne, > > Pre 1850 Victoria was still part of NSW & they still hold many records > > including some BDMs & Immigration. > > I did a quick search online for you at > > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/immigration/indexpphillip/search.asp > > and found the following:- > > > > Assisted immigrants arriving at Port Phillip, 1839-51 > > > > Query: Surname(%Shan%sy), FirstName(%) > > Surname Firstname Vessel Year Reel >Record > > Item > > O'SHANNESSY John and Mary New Liverpool 1849 2144 4/4816, p.339 > > From the NSW BDM site http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm > > (Last 4 digits of reg# =year & V prefix (usually) = Vic). > > > > Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given > > Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) > > V18571786 142A/1857 O`SHANESSY PATRICK > > J JOHN MARY > > V18605412 142B/1860 SHANNESSY MARY > > A JOHN MARY A > > > > And from the Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 > > Surname: OSHANNESSY > > Given Names: Mary Ann > > Event: D > > Sex: F > > Spouse Surname/Father: Liddel Jno > > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Phoebe UNKNOWN > > Age: 69 > > Age Code: > > Birth Place: > > Death Place: Glong > > Year: 1891 > > Reg. Number: 6251 > > > > > > Might be of some help? > > Cheers... > > Pat.. > > > > > > At 4/01/2004 Sunday12:19 AM, you wrote: > > >Dear Linda, > > >If only I knew the answers to those questions! > > >I wouldn't put it past him to have changed his name, but unfortunately I > > >don't know who his parents were. On the birth certificates for his >children > > >he gives his birth place as Ballinrobe, County Mayo, Ireland. The Church >of > > >Ireland parish register is in the church Library in Dublin, and I had a > > >researcher look for bdms of that name. None! Ironically, I had the same > > >experience looking for his wife's birth. Her name was Mary Ann Sidell, >born > > >Lynn, Norfolk, but again, nothing in any of the parish registers for >Lynn. > > >Sshe is buried in the Eastern Cemetery in the very large Scott grave - >and I > > >can't find any connection with the Scott family. Her husband isn't in any >of > > >the Geelong district cemeteries. > > >The two were married at St Paul's, Melbourne, in 1854 (according to the > > >childrens' birth certificates) - but again, no record of in Vic BDMs nor >in > > >the St Paul's register - nor in any other St Pauls in the Geelong/Melb >area! > > >To add to the dismal story, the child born in 1865 (Alfred Currie > > >O'Shannassy) is not in Vic BDM. His death certificate says he was born in > > >Geelong, but I haven't found him in any parish registers. His death > > >certificate gives his father as John Martin O'Shannassy - but whether >that > > >is so is in question. > > >I have searched for connections between Currie and Sidell and >O'Shannassy, > > >but have found none. > > >So, I am stumped! > > >The only other thing I know is that there was a story in the family that >he > > >died "somewhere in the China Sea", and that he might have been a seaman - > > >possibly before his arrival in Australia, or even after he shot through >when > > >his business failed. I have searched for the arrival in Aust for both he >and > > >his wife, again, unsuccessfully. > > >I suppose everyone has someone like this pair in their families, but >truly, > > >I am driven to desperation by them! > > >Cheers, > > >Alwynne > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Linda Edwards" <edwslsj@alphalink.com.au> > > >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:08 AM > > >Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > > > > Alwynne, > > > > sounds to me like he may have changed his name if he was on the run so >to > > > > speak from his debtors. What was his mothers name? or his wifes he may > > >have > > > > used that or just taken one he fancied. > > > > Do you know his parents I could try a Vital records search on them > > > > possibly.? where is the wife buried? he could be there also. > > > > I assume you have the 1865 childs birth cert. It usually gives the >fathers > > > > occupation too and who was the informant. Of course 1859, he may have > > >taken > > > > off for the goldfields to redeem himself too. > > > > good luck > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > >Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > > >http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp > > > > pat@ozonline.com.au > > www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) > > ICQ# 17057235 > > PO Box 65A > > Armadale, 3143 > > Victoria, Australia > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Cemeteries : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia