To Ada and all the indexers - where would we be without you guys!!!! Thanks for what you have done and are doing! Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > Hello Judyand listers > > This is not a criticism of Judy, but a background to help others, and > perhaps reveal to Judy how these things can happen. > > Lists were copied by several scribes for several departments for various > reasons. Each scribe added their own handwriting idiosyncrasies, their own > interpretation of the previous scribe's handwriting peculiarites and added > their own carelessness, being human! > > On the odd occasion when two copies (by different scribes) of a shipping > list have survived in the Victorian records, both passenger lists had to be > filmed and transcribed for the index, because of the obvious differences > in each list, and we had no way of knowing which (if either) was the > careful (!) original. > > So if one was sent to NSW, as it had to be in the days when NSW was the > responsible government for Port Phillip, it is not without surprise that > Anne could become Jane, or the reverse. This, of course may be applied > equally to surnames. > > The wonder is that, with all these vagaries (including our present day > volunteers trying to transcribe these latter day horrors ) so many people > find their rellies with ease! > > Having worked on the lists for ten years, knowing all the vagaries, I admit > to being just a tad amused that searchers take the listings as "gospel" or > blame the modern transcribers for the errors and vagaries of the past, > quickly accusing us of altering the spelling of their dear ancestor's > name, or worse, being incompetent. > > But please, don't send me your complaints for Inward Foreign 1852-1924, > Inward British 1852 -1924 or Inward from NZ 1852-1924 on which I worked > with other volunteers over the ten years I gave to help researchers coming > after me. We did our best, so listers can find their rellies in minutes on > the internet. They don't appear there by magic! > > Regards Ada > > > > > > At 07:12 03-03-04 +1000, you wrote: > >In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or > >Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 > >(marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the > >PROV website. > >Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. > > > >I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was on > >board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a Thomas > >19 from Roscommon) > > > >My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index > >derived from another source??? > > > >I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give > >results that differ on other searches. > > > >Any help appreciated! > >Judy > >Qld > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > regards, > Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia > formerly Ackerly DocuSearch > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ >

Ah Ada, I KNOW you have a magic wand....I won't tell anyone though....by the way was it YOU who put my grandma on the 1901 census as part of the family she worked with, and not under her own name...someone must be to blame....aaaggghhh. no wonder i could not find her....aaagghh again... only kidding...i have enough trouble with spears, speirs, spiers....you have a vast amount of knowledge, and background really for us plebs. no excuse for us not also knowing a lot, but we each have our own interests, and using yours sometimes, is wonderful. i have just got my parish record for mary ann tremayne/evans. others on the page, for st james, melbourne, county of bourke, include... Banfield, Datmoor or Desmorr, Lonsdale, Kenyon, Stoppes, Ha...asn could be Harrison hard to read, Joseph. Daw, Clifton, Turner, Malloy, Carter, Ford....i think. anyone with names like these, who might have had kids chr. st james, melbourne, in 1849, get back to me. robyn shaw. toowoomba. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > To Ada and all the indexers - where would we be without you guys!!!! Thanks > for what you have done and are doing! Pam Jennings > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > > > > Hello Judyand listers > > > > This is not a criticism of Judy, but a background to help others, and > > perhaps reveal to Judy how these things can happen. > > > > Lists were copied by several scribes for several departments for various > > reasons. Each scribe added their own handwriting idiosyncrasies, their own > > interpretation of the previous scribe's handwriting peculiarites and added > > their own carelessness, being human! > > > > On the odd occasion when two copies (by different scribes) of a shipping > > list have survived in the Victorian records, both passenger lists had to > be > > filmed and transcribed for the index, because of the obvious differences > > in each list, and we had no way of knowing which (if either) was the > > careful (!) original. > > > > So if one was sent to NSW, as it had to be in the days when NSW was the > > responsible government for Port Phillip, it is not without surprise that > > Anne could become Jane, or the reverse. This, of course may be applied > > equally to surnames. > > > > The wonder is that, with all these vagaries (including our present day > > volunteers trying to transcribe these latter day horrors ) so many people > > find their rellies with ease! > > > > Having worked on the lists for ten years, knowing all the vagaries, I > admit > > to being just a tad amused that searchers take the listings as "gospel" or > > blame the modern transcribers for the errors and vagaries of the past, > > quickly accusing us of altering the spelling of their dear ancestor's > > name, or worse, being incompetent. > > > > But please, don't send me your complaints for Inward Foreign 1852-1924, > > Inward British 1852 -1924 or Inward from NZ 1852-1924 on which I worked > > with other volunteers over the ten years I gave to help researchers coming > > after me. We did our best, so listers can find their rellies in minutes on > > the internet. They don't appear there by magic! > > > > Regards Ada > > > > > > > > > > > > At 07:12 03-03-04 +1000, you wrote: > > >In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or > > >Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 > > >(marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the > > >PROV website. > > >Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. > > > > > >I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was > on > > >board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a > Thomas > > >19 from Roscommon) > > > > > >My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index > > >derived from another source??? > > > > > >I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give > > >results that differ on other searches. > > > > > >Any help appreciated! > > >Judy > > >Qld > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > > regards, > > Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia > > formerly Ackerly DocuSearch > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong and District web site : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm >

To Ada and all other transcribers, we can only thankyou for the work you put into our rellies. Without you we would never find them. Yes some where they shouldn't be, but on a whole most where they should. You are extra eyes and knowledge for us all. Fran :-) One of the many amateur genealogists, with alot more twigs for my trees, thanks to you guys.