Hello Grahame, To make my typing and use of records easier (read "lazy") I typed directly out of two records: The VPRO series 89, "Pardon of Convicts" , an original record sent out from England with each ship, and collected together by the Government of the day, the "Stratheden" was missing from this collection. I used my own notes to check if the exile had been convicted in Victoria ... so I can vouch for the accuracy of those. Then I used a recently published book, instead of going to each shipping arrival and disposal record as I would have, normally, had I not been having trouble with the use of my arms/ hands. "Convicts to the Port Phillip District" collected by Kieth M. Clark I have now been informed of an error... Samuel GARDINER (Exile) was found guilty of receiving a stolen spoon (not broom) from the Radcliffe Infirmary Regards,Margaret Thank you Margaret! Please correct the record I sent to you for Ann. I have corrected Clark's data. So I looked at another, William HATTON who arrived on the "EDEN' whom Clark listed as " an eagle dealer, taught trade of tinplate worker". The shipping list says "convicted 14 years, larceny on his indictment, labourer taught trade of tailor, unemployed at Melbourne, sent by ship to Portland with other exiles". I paused before I typed "eagle dealer", it seemed so obscure. Then I was worried at "tin plate worker" because it is the only time I had seen this trade taught in prison. I'm not sure where Clark sourced this information, but it troubles me. Then I took a quick look at William CHAUNDY, who also arrived on "EDEN", and found Clark lists him as a "letter carrier" and the shipping disposal list says he is "a waiter and general servant" who was also sent on to Portland for employment. I'll have to double check that ...and others! So it looks as though I will have to go back to the individual shipping lists to be sure the information is as sent from England. So much for resting my arm & hand! Please apologise to your Oxford researcher, and I apologise to the list. Chastened. Regards Ada Ada Ackerly. Melbourne Formerly Ackerly Docusearch

Hi Ada Many thanks, I was thinking of going to the PROV soon to check the shipping records on the Oxford group. Maybe I could look them up and share the information with you. I will pass on your message. I was going to look at Keith's book too. You have raised some interesting differences. I used to live in Canberra and know Keith - a very good researcher. cheers Grahame On 15/03/2007, at 10:51 AM, Ada Ackerly wrote: > Hello Grahame, > > To make my typing and use of records easier (read "lazy") I typed > directly > out of two records: > The VPRO series 89, "Pardon of Convicts" , an original record sent > out from > England with each ship, and collected together by the Government of > the day, > the "Stratheden" was missing from this collection. I used my own > notes to > check if the exile had been convicted in Victoria ... so I can > vouch for the > accuracy of those. > > Then I used a recently published book, instead of going to each > shipping > arrival and disposal record as I would have, normally, had I not > been having > trouble with the use of my arms/ hands. > "Convicts to the Port Phillip District" collected by Kieth M. Clark > > I have now been informed of an error... > Samuel GARDINER (Exile) was found guilty of receiving a stolen > spoon (not > broom) from the Radcliffe Infirmary Regards,Margaret > Thank you Margaret! > > Please correct the record I sent to you for Ann. I have corrected > Clark's > data. > > So I looked at another, William HATTON who arrived on the "EDEN' > whom Clark > listed as " an eagle dealer, taught trade of tinplate worker". The > shipping > list says "convicted 14 years, larceny on his indictment, labourer > taught > trade of tailor, unemployed at Melbourne, sent by ship to Portland > with > other exiles". I paused before I typed "eagle dealer", it seemed so > obscure. > Then I was worried at "tin plate worker" because it is the only > time I had > seen this trade taught in prison. I'm not sure where Clark sourced > this > information, but it troubles me. > > Then I took a quick look at William CHAUNDY, who also arrived on > "EDEN", and > found Clark lists him as a "letter carrier" and the shipping > disposal list > says he is "a waiter and general servant" who was also sent on to > Portland > for employment. I'll have to double check that ...and others! > > So it looks as though I will have to go back to the individual > shipping > lists to be sure the information is as sent from England. So much for > resting my arm & hand! > Please apologise to your Oxford researcher, and I apologise to the > list. > > Chastened. > Regards Ada > > Ada Ackerly. Melbourne > Formerly Ackerly Docusearch > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou Grahame, I cannot go to the PRO currently, so I would be delighted to be relieved of the task. So I'll leave it with you. Good luck. The exile ships are to be found in the "assisted passengers lists" and there are (usually) two lists: the list sent with the ship from England, and the "disposal" list which shows who the men went to work for, etc Make sure you view both for cross reference. There are some discrepancies, but probably only about ten out of the 1700+ that I originally found years ago. Keith's book is a monumental work, and I had, previously, not had need to check any entries, so it could be that these few are all the errors there are to find, or perhaps his source was not in the Victorian shipping, but another source. It wouldn't be the first time that one list does not compare against another. Regards Ada Ada Ackerly. Melbourne Formerly Ackerly Docusearch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Exiles from Oxford : Ada Part 5 > Hi Ada > > Many thanks, I was thinking of going to the PROV soon to check the > shipping records on the Oxford group. Maybe I could look them up and > share the information with you. I will pass on your message. > > I was going to look at Keith's book too. You have raised some > interesting differences. I used to live in Canberra and know Keith - > a very good researcher. > > cheers > > Grahame > > > On 15/03/2007, at 10:51 AM, Ada Ackerly wrote: > > > Hello Grahame, > > > > To make my typing and use of records easier (read "lazy") I typed > > directly > > out of two records: > > The VPRO series 89, "Pardon of Convicts" , an original record sent > > out from > > England with each ship, and collected together by the Government of > > the day, > > the "Stratheden" was missing from this collection. I used my own > > notes to > > check if the exile had been convicted in Victoria ... so I can > > vouch for the > > accuracy of those. > > > > Then I used a recently published book, instead of going to each > > shipping > > arrival and disposal record as I would have, normally, had I not > > been having > > trouble with the use of my arms/ hands. > > "Convicts to the Port Phillip District" collected by Kieth M. Clark > > > > I have now been informed of an error... > > Samuel GARDINER (Exile) was found guilty of receiving a stolen > > spoon (not > > broom) from the Radcliffe Infirmary Regards,Margaret > > Thank you Margaret! > > > > Please correct the record I sent to you for Ann. I have corrected > > Clark's > > data. > > > > So I looked at another, William HATTON who arrived on the "EDEN' > > whom Clark > > listed as " an eagle dealer, taught trade of tinplate worker". The > > shipping > > list says "convicted 14 years, larceny on his indictment, labourer > > taught > > trade of tailor, unemployed at Melbourne, sent by ship to Portland > > with > > other exiles". I paused before I typed "eagle dealer", it seemed so > > obscure. > > Then I was worried at "tin plate worker" because it is the only > > time I had > > seen this trade taught in prison. I'm not sure where Clark sourced > > this > > information, but it troubles me. > > > > Then I took a quick look at William CHAUNDY, who also arrived on > > "EDEN", and > > found Clark lists him as a "letter carrier" and the shipping > > disposal list > > says he is "a waiter and general servant" who was also sent on to > > Portland > > for employment. I'll have to double check that ...and others! > > > > So it looks as though I will have to go back to the individual > > shipping > > lists to be sure the information is as sent from England. So much for > > resting my arm & hand! > > Please apologise to your Oxford researcher, and I apologise to the > > list. > > > > Chastened. > > Regards Ada > > > > Ada Ackerly. Melbourne > > Formerly Ackerly Docusearch > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > > http://www.zades.com.au > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC- > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message