Hi Susie, I was about to suggest, as a councillor chosen by the councillors to be their leader/ Mayor, that it might mean a councillor who previously held an elected office/ Mayor, to show his stature. That was OK for Reeves, but didn't work for the others. Regards Ada Ada Ackerly. Melbourne Formerly Ackerly Docusearch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susie Zada" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: [GEELONG] What is the difference between Alderman and Councillor? > Hi Folks, > > I'm currently working on the Market Committee Minutes for the Town of > Geelong. > > This Committee lists some people as "Ald" [Alderman] and others as "Cr" > [Councillor] > > i.e. the Committee on 19th July 1871 - listed in order .......... > The Mayor W F DUCKER Esq > Ald REEVES / Chairman / > Ald MATHEWS > Ald WHITCHELL > Cr INGLIS > Cr HUNT > > Checking the list of Councillors / Mayors from "Geelong: 150 years of > community leadership 1849-1999" by Norm Houghton it lists the following > > DUCKER, W F - Cr Geelong City Council 1868-1875 > DUCKER, W F - M[ayor] Geelong City Council 1870-1872 > REEVES, Robert - Cr Geelong City Council 1863-1882 > REEVES, Robert - M[ayor] Geelong City Council 1872-1873 > MATHEWS, Patrick James - Cr Geelong City Council 1863-1871 > MATHEWS, Patrick James - Cr Geelong City Council 1877-1879 > WHITCHELL, John - Cr Geelong City Council 1863-1873 > INGLIS, Thomas - Cr Geelong City Council 1870-1877 > HUNT, Thomas Barber - Cr Geelong City Council 1868-1877 > > Can anyone tell me why some were called Alderman and others Councillor? I > can't see any pattern or reason. > > The Australian Concise Oxford Dictionary ... > > Alderman: > 1. [esp hist] a co-opted member of an English county or borough council, > next in dignity to the Mayor > 2. [US] the elected governor of a city > 3. an elected local government councillor > > Councillor: > an elected member of a council, esp. a local one > > Is it something to do with seniority?? > > Hoping someone might have a sensible suggestion - it's just one of those > things that bugs you when you can't find an answer! <vbg> > > Regards ............. Susie Z > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ada, That's the way I was thinking too but the list of Councillors / Mayors put paid to that idea. BUT it appears that there were two "levels" of election because in the Geelong Advertiser 9th November 1867 ....... "Crs REEVES & MATTHEWS elected Aldermen for Kardinia & Bellarine Wards of Geelong Town Council replacing HEDRICK & ASHMORE respectively". So it seems they were all elected Councillors but the title Alderman was given to those elected to represent a specific Ward within the Council. I think at that stage there were four wards and it was possibly one Alderman per Ward. That seems to make sense! Regards ......... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] What is the difference between Alderman andCouncillor? > Hi Susie, > > I was about to suggest, as a councillor chosen by the councillors to be > their leader/ Mayor, that it might mean a councillor who previously held > an > elected office/ Mayor, to show his stature. That was OK for Reeves, but > didn't work for the others. > > Regards Ada > > Ada Ackerly. Melbourne > Formerly Ackerly Docusearch > ----- Original Message -----